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class action against HTC/Microsoft?

What do you guys think of getting involved in a class action against HTC/Microsoft if HD2 is not allowed WP7? Now that WP7 is announced, many software companies are going to stop (or already stopped) developing for WinMo 6.5 and we are left outside with an already bricked 2 month old device (it's not even out for USA). I don't like paying $1.000 (yes it is that expensive where I live) for a device which will be outdated in 2 months. HTC and Microsoft should be more loyal to their customers than that. What do you all think?

HTC and Microsoft never promised a WP7S upgrade.
If you're thinking about raising a class action for something that wasn't in the contract of sale, you are, as we say in Scotland, an eejit (idiot).
Sell your HD2 now and be phone-less for 6 months, then buy a Wp7s capable phone. Or at the very least wait for an official announcement on whether it will be upgradable or not.

they never promised an upgrade, but they never said that we won't be able to use WP7 apps as well. Even when you buy a desktop PC with Windows, you're given the option of free upgrade when the new OS is imminent, else no one would buy. And that's when you can still perfectly use all the new applications on your old OS. Don't you feel kinda being cheated, is it only me??

bricked device? it still works doesn't it? you've got a year or so before 7 really hits the mass market, that doesn't stop your phone from working NOW.
do you look at cars the same way? I got my Renault Laguna, it's made in 2001 but I'm not moaning because they don't let me upgrade to the nice shiny 2010 model engine just because i have an older version.
I don't get the complaining about being able to have 7 on their phone when clearly it doesn't have the hardware (4 point multi touch, 3 buttons etc) that windows 7 needs.
I'm sure MS or HTC will take the OS as far as they feel like before 7 rolls out and I would not doubt that some of the clever code monkeys here on XDA will be able to cook up a fantastic 7 ROM that will work in some way on our currently working and rather impressive HD2's

why are people complaining about not having win7 available on the device when it is out in about 7 months time? Did you buy the HD2 SOLELY on the basis it would have this upgrade in OS? Did HTC promise you that it was going to upgraded to win7 when it came out?

ozkaya said:
they never promised an upgrade, but they never said that we won't be able to use WP7 apps as well. Even when you buy a desktop PC with Windows, you're given the option of free upgrade when the new OS is imminent, else no one would buy. And that's when you can still perfectly use all the new applications on your old OS. Don't you feel kinda being cheated, is it only me??
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WP7 is not new version of WM6.5. Call it Zune Phone and it all becomes clear.
And even if free upgrade is offered sometimes with desktop computers, it clearly is stated as a part of the contract. Here it was not. If you don't like it, you should have not bought it.

I had thought of hanging on to my Touch Pro until WP7 came out. I ended up getting the HD2 and I've never had so much fun with a phone.
We are spoiled rotten in this community. I can get my device to do anything I want it to do and a few things I hadn't even thought of thanks to the hard work, generosity and smarts of the good people who contribute to these forums.
Come on! We don't even know if we will like WP7 yet! Enjoy the amazing device you have. Modify it, flash it, load a thousand apps on it if you like.
By the time WP7 is stable, usable and has a load of good apps, we'll probably be good and ready for an upgrade.

If the HD2 does everything you need in a phone what does it matter if it will run 7 or not? Especially if HTC never promised it would.
If its just for epeen status you're gonna look like gypsy joe anyway come the time trying to run a new OS on an old phone. Either way I am sure some bright spark on XDA will make 7 run on the HD2.

Also remember that WP7 is brand new OS with no applications at all. It will take at least a year till it will start to be usable for basic operation. We don't know how hard it will be to adapt actual applications. It might be minor modifications, it might be totally impossible, and everything would have to be done from the scratch.
Yes .. we all want new better WM .. but WP7 is just not that.

How many more threads are we going to get on the same subject.
WM6.5.5 is NOT being withdrawn and will continue to support the business users. From what i've seen of wm7, its "pants" and not suitable for business use, but thats my opinion.
I find it difficult to beleive that so many of you purchased the phone based on the pretence that it would be upgraded to WM7. At the end of the day, you will get it anyway - albeit not from HTC but from XDA.

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How many more threads are we going to get on the same subject.
WM6.5.5 is NOT being withdrawn and will continue to support the business users. From what i've seen of wm7, its "pants" and not suitable for business use, but thats my opinion.
I find it difficult to beleive that so many of you purchased the phone based on the pretence that it would be upgraded to WM7. At the end of the day, you will get it anyway - albeit not from HTC but from XDA.
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you are right but most applications developers stoped developing for wm6.5 and starts to develope for the upcoming wp7 series so it is wm6.5 end (but not in an official way)

reasons why this bull
1 in the box which my htc hd2 was piece of paper saying that this phone would get a upgrade to wm7
2 there footage of wm7 on the htc hd2
3 the fact that ms always denie all rumours about all their products
4 no device has 4 point mutil touch if was the case this would be a big deal for microsoft as apple owns the patents for true mutil touch screens
5 windows specs change all the time and this is true for all software
6 the htc hd2 pro is coming out and professionals would want wm7

a piece of paper may say they will do 7 but maybe the rules changed and they discovered in the full release version they can't run wm7
i'm sure the initial idea was great but reality has deemed the hd2 not suitable for wm7
would a pro want an OS that's not allowing backward compatibility of their "pro" apps? no so maybe they'll stick with 6.5xxxx
have you actually tried wm7 yet? all this fuss and it might turn out to be rubbish then i guess you'll bring another class action against MS to say you want 6.5 back
whether it be Apple/MS/HTC they can't please everyone but to rant about it BEFORE the OS is out is pretty pointless. think logically rather than throw toys from pram please

I think WP7 will be business oriented. Only think they can do better then the others would be exchange synchronization. Otherwise I see no reason why would anybody buy it. And before new apps are done for it, iPhone will have new version, Android will be at 3.0 and another players may show up.

ozkaya said:
What do you guys think of getting involved in a class action against HTC/Microsoft if HD2 is not allowed WP7? Now that WP7 is announced, many software companies are going to stop (or already stopped) developing for WinMo 6.5 and we are left outside with an already bricked 2 month old device (it's not even out for USA). I don't like paying $1.000 (yes it is that expensive where I live) for a device which will be outdated in 2 months. HTC and Microsoft should be more loyal to their customers than that. What do you all think?
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Sorry guys, I couldn't help it

this forum gets dumber by the day.

I'll Stick with 6.5!
Why does anyone want WP7 anyway? My phone works just the way I want it (now, after a few problems initially), it is fast, looks great and makes most other phones look like they were just dug up in an episode of Time Team!
I have just about every app I could want, running beautifully and doing pretty much everything I could ever need. If I was offered WP7 today I would say no! An untried OS with no software support for at least another 6 months (after release) and we don't know how customizable or flexible it will be... I'd be mad to jump ship from 6.5!
When I know what the new OS actually is, when I know I can get all the software I require and that I can make the phone the way I want it and that the OS is something I actually like THEN... I'll have a new device that will have even more bells and whistles and this won't be an issue...

scottmo said:
Why does anyone want WP7 anyway? My phone works just the way I want it (now, after a few problems initially), it is fast, looks great and makes most other phones look like they were just dug up in an episode of Time Team!
I have just about every app I could want, running beautifully and doing pretty much everything I could ever need. If I was offered WP7 today I would say no! An untried OS with no software support for at least another 6 months (after release) and we don't know how customizable or flexible it will be... I'd be mad to jump ship from 6.5!
When I know what the new OS actually is, when I know I can get all the software I require and that I can make the phone the way I want it and that the OS is something I actually like THEN... I'll have a new device that will have even more bells and whistles and this won't be an issue...
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why would you like to stay with un supported version of os ,as wp7 arrives developers will stop developing for wm6.5

ardsar said:
How many more threads are we going to get on the same subject.
WM6.5.5 is NOT being withdrawn and will continue to support the business users. From what i've seen of wm7, its "pants" and not suitable for business use, but thats my opinion.
I find it difficult to beleive that so many of you purchased the phone based on the pretence that it would be upgraded to WM7. At the end of the day, you will get it anyway - albeit not from HTC but from XDA.
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+1 -CLASS ACTION? That is so laughable! End these threads please it just annoying to guess at everything. Wait for the MIX '10 and listen to then as to what they want to say. Until then no more threads about WP7 upgrades on HD2...wahh.wahhh.wahhh...

There goes another 2 minutes of my life. When will I learn....

Definately no Windows Mobile 7 for HD2??

I work in the industry and we had a vist from Windowsphone Rep today and he confirmed, no matter how much i argued the subject with info, that the HD2 will not be getting WinMo 7 update, this, as he explained was due to minimum requirement of device for WinMo 7 and the HD2 does not match the hardware requirements, namely the graphic accellerator chipset on board is not compatable with inbuilt use of things like Silverlight which is going to be a feature of WM7????
What he did confirm is some of the things WinMo7 will be able to do, like gaming, start the game on PC, continue on your XBox and if you want log on and finish on the WinMo7 phone.....
so there you go...... question is was he telling the truth or just BS'ing????

Sounds like win mo 7 is going to be pants man. I think I'll be keeping my hd2 for as long as possible and going for the 4th gen iphone

I have waited to get HD2 for over 6 months since it came out in Europe. Playing with in the phone in the store and reading various different forums and posts. I have decided to get a device that will be supported in the long run. I'm thinking of getting a HTC Incredible from Verizon over HD2.

fygtbug said:
I work in the industry and we had a vist from Windowsphone Rep today and he confirmed, no matter how much i argued the subject with info, that the HD2 will not be getting WinMo 7 update, this, as he explained was due to minimum requirement of device for WinMo 7 and the HD2 does not match the hardware requirements, namely the graphic accellerator chipset on board is not compatable with inbuilt use of things like Silverlight which is going to be a feature of WM7????
What he did confirm is some of the things WinMo7 will be able to do, like gaming, start the game on PC, continue on your XBox and if you want log on and finish on the WinMo7 phone.....
so there you go...... question is was he telling the truth or just BS'ing????
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this was confirmed like on mix 10? (15. march)
-but there will likely be an unofficial WP7 port-

My HD2 will probably be my last Winmo based phone, this is not to say I don't love my HD2 as I do. There are only a few things I like about the upcoming W7PS the rest IMO looks bloody aweful, it is like it's designed for a child. If HTC ever develope another phone based on Winmo and manage to cover the Winmo7 with a newer type of Sense, I'll reconsider .
Other than that I don't give a dam about W7PS, all hype and I'd put money on it being a spectacular failure. Microsoft tend to 'hit or miss' with most things they do, just like HTC really .
I'm not looking forward to the day when I need replace my LEO, as I do think it's awesome just the way it is now .

xavierdemon said:
My HD2 will probably be my last Winmo based phone, this is not to say I don't love my HD2 as I do. There are only a few things I like about the upcoming W7PS the rest IMO looks bloody aweful, it is like it's designed for a child. If HTC ever develope another phone based on Winmo and manage to cover the Winmo7 with a newer type of Sense, I'll reconsider .
Other than that I don't give a dam about W7PS, all hype and I'd put money on it being a spectacular failure. Microsoft tend to 'hit or miss' with most things they do, just like HTC really .
I'm not looking forward to the day when I need replace my LEO, as I do think it's awesome just the way it is now .
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I agree and feel the same way 100%.

Tmobile hd2 and Android (Noob)

ive got my tm htc hd2....and i gotta say its an amazing phones in both hardware and software, however, only problem, of course, is the OS (wm6.5)...to be honest....it sux (I was using iphone) even with HTC sense wm 6.5 is disappointing....and Microsoft just announced that hd2 will not be upgradeable to wm7 which was like wt* anyways...
I heard that android platform is being developed...or it is already available.....
is it? I just wanted to discuss about updates and upgrades that are available..for this phone...for if wm7 comes out..i think wm6.5 and older versions will be like crap......so....help me out and give me some tips and current situations about this issue..

takgeun68 said:
ive got my tm htc hd2....and i gotta say its an amazing phones in both hardware and software, however, only problem, of course, is the OS (wm6.5)...to be honest....it sux (I was using iphone) even with HTC sense wm 6.5 is disappointing....and Microsoft just announced that hd2 will not be upgradeable to wm7 which was like wt* anyways...
I heard that android platform is being developed...or it is already available.....
is it? I just wanted to discuss about updates and upgrades that are available..for this phone...for if wm7 comes out..i think wm6.5 and older versions will be like crap......so....help me out and give me some tips and current situations about this issue..
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The HD2 runs WM 6.5, if you dont like it take it back. Get the nexus 1, Sprint Evo or Incredible, you have choices rather than starting another thread about how much you think WM sucks!!!

takgeun68 said:
ive got my tm htc hd2....and i gotta say its an amazing phones in both hardware and software, however, only problem, of course, is the OS (wm6.5)...to be honest....it sux (I was using iphone) even with HTC sense wm 6.5 is disappointing....and Microsoft just announced that hd2 will not be upgradeable to wm7 which was like wt* anyways...
I heard that android platform is being developed...or it is already available.....
is it? I just wanted to discuss about updates and upgrades that are available..for this phone...for if wm7 comes out..i think wm6.5 and older versions will be like crap......so....help me out and give me some tips and current situations about this issue..
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Why did you get the HD2 if you hate WinMobile? There will be phone of similar specs coming out for all the OS's soon enough. It will be a long time before there is a fully functional android port. If you can't use WinMo and be happy with it, take it back and don't bash an operating system we love and use on this forum. WinMo 6.5 is the last great open and versatile OS left... it can do more than any other mobile OS is capable of atm and it is so much more customizable. Personally, I think Iphone is crap. Barely customizable and the OS makes it look like a childs toy. Dumbed down to the point that a child can use it as a toy!
Also, a search would have answered your questions a lot quicker than starting a new post and waiting for replies... which you had to assume would be negative towards you as you are saying that WinMo is crap in a WinMo forum...

well....sorry if you thought i was just saying wm sucks but I got hd2 cuz of wm7....well...i am not saying wm is suck to the all the way end....it is true its no t good compare to android and iphone OS. so all that i am saying is this " I bought HD2 cuz WM6.5 will be upgrade to WM7 but its not confirmed, so I dont want to be stuck with dead platform of older wms...so is there any news or tweaks so i can make this much more better" I also said i am noob....(I have used 6.1...really...wasnt great experience.... so...I dont know much about the world of wm...so plz give me some tips? i guess)

takgeun68 said:
well....sorry if you thought i was just saying wm sucks but I got hd2 cuz of wm7....well...i am not saying wm is suck to the all the way end....it is true its no t good compare to android and iphone OS.
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It depends on what your uses and expectations are. In some aspects WM is inferior to iphone osx and android. In other aspects, the HD2 blows both of them out of the water.
I have an iPhone too, and for my uses, the HD2 is a far more capable phone.
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so all that i am saying is this " I bought HD2 cuz WM6.5 will be upgrade to WM7 but its not confirmed, so I dont want to be stuck with dead platform of older wms...so is there any news or tweaks so i can make this much more better" I also said i am noob....(I have used 6.1...really...wasnt great experience.... so...I dont know much about the world of wm...so plz give me some tips? i guess)
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It was confirmed that the HD2 would not be upgradable to WP7 weeks before it came to T-Mobile USA. No offense, but that was probably something you should have confirmed fully before you spent all that money.
That being said, WM is a very capable, customizable OS. I didn't like my HD2 nearly as much when I first got it as I do now. After tweaking it over the past couple of weeks, I can say with complete honesty that other than the apps, the HD2 runs laps around my iPhone. Its faster, has a better web browser, and thanks to sense, all my core functions easily accesible. No need to open a SMS app, an e-mail app, a twitter app etc etc. All those functions are laid out in front of you. The interface is also much sleeker looking and attractive overall. The iPhones interface is really showing its age.
If you want to get the most of your phone, flash the ROM. I'm using Energy ROM with cookies home tab 1.7. Its a straight-forward, easy to use ROM. The interfaced is tweaked to make it easier to use....plus its very stable...haven't had a crash since I installed it. There wasn't much else I needed to do to my HD2 after flashing to this ROM.

takgeun68 said:
well....sorry if you thought i was just saying wm sucks but I got hd2 cuz of wm7....well...i am not saying wm is suck to the all the way end....it is true its no t good compare to android and iphone OS. so all that i am saying is this " I bought HD2 cuz WM6.5 will be upgrade to WM7 but its not confirmed, so I dont want to be stuck with dead platform of older wms...so is there any news or tweaks so i can make this much more better" I also said i am noob....(I have used 6.1...really...wasnt great experience.... so...I dont know much about the world of wm...so plz give me some tips? i guess)
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The HD2 will not have an official WinPhone 7 upgrade. I'd prefer WinMo 6.5 anyways. And I think compared to android and iphone, Windows mobile is much better, more versatile, and much more powerful. I admit it's not as user friendly. You might want to return it if you don't like WM.

Return your phone, get the Nexus 1 or Evo. Or wait for the iPhone 4g.

told ya 2 every week

I think the constant bombardment of threads asking about android ports to HD2 is getting annoying but at the same time it just goes to show how much more annoying the current WM OS is. I realize all you hardcore WM fans laugh at everybody who seems to get pulled into the HD2 hype but its really disappointing for some of us who did come from a phone that was a lot simpler where we didn't have to fight with the phone just to send a text message or surf the web. I want to believe in my phone but when I'm willing to go back to the simplistic nature of the iPhone 3G (and I'm not alone), it just goes to show how much WM just isn't. Someone said that you can do more on WM then you can on the iPhone OS. True it may not be locked down near as much as the iPhone is but the iPhone has some of the best applications on any phone out in the market. And a lot of that is due to the fact that the iPhone is locked down and due to Apple's strict app approval process. Then you look at Microsoft Marketplace and its a joke. Some of the apps that are for sale (don't even get me started on that) are so old, they aren't even useful anymore. The only thing the HD2 has going for it is its powerhouse performance and the awesome mods that seem to think that the HD2 can be better.
I am not hating the HD2 or even the WM OS. I just think that if Windows looked at what Apple has done and try to improve on that, things would be a whole lot better. Everybody mods their phones. Even iPhones get jailbroken. But atleast the majority of the apps that are in Cydia are not there to fix problems that are wrong with the iPhone OS; but to improve upon it. The majority of the apps for WM devices are there to correct problems with the phones.

SEscobedo said:
I think the constant bombardment of threads asking about android ports to HD2 is getting annoying but at the same time it just goes to show how much more annoying the current WM OS is. I realize all you hardcore WM fans laugh at everybody who seems to get pulled into the HD2 hype but its really disappointing for some of us who did come from a phone that was a lot simpler where we didn't have to fight with the phone just to send a text message or surf the web. I want to believe in my phone but when I'm willing to go back to the simplistic nature of the iPhone 3G (and I'm not alone), it just goes to show how much WM just isn't. Someone said that you can do more on WM then you can on the iPhone OS. True it may not be locked down near as much as the iPhone is but the iPhone has some of the best applications on any phone out in the market. And a lot of that is due to the fact that the iPhone is locked down and due to Apple's strict app approval process. Then you look at Microsoft Marketplace and its a joke. Some of the apps that are for sale (don't even get me started on that) are so old, they aren't even useful anymore. The only thing the HD2 has going for it is its powerhouse performance and the awesome mods that seem to think that the HD2 can be better.
I am not hating the HD2 or even the WM OS. I just think that if Windows looked at what Apple has done and try to improve on that, things would be a whole lot better. Everybody mods their phones. Even iPhones get jailbroken. But atleast the majority of the apps that are in Cydia are not there to fix problems that are wrong with the iPhone OS; but to improve upon it. The majority of the apps for WM devices are there to correct problems with the phones.
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Microsoft is doing exactly what apple does with their WinPhone7. They're making it locked down and more user friendly for everyday people. I'd prefer WinMo 6.5, though. And there are lots who agree. I don't have any problems using WinMo, and can do everything with ease. I don't want Microsoft to "look at what apple has done and improve on that". WinMo is exactly the way I want it to be. If they locked it down and made it easier like apple, it would not be as functional and versatile as it is. It won't be as customizable. To gain simplicity, you'll lose versatility.I don't want that. If you want something like the iphone, get an iphone. Don't say MS should change their OS to be like apples (which actually they are doing for future releases, unfortunately). If you want something simpler, get something simpler. I wanted a new WinMobile phone, so thats why I got an HD2. Why did you get an HD2? Because of hype? There's hype about the iphone 3gs... why didn't you get that? You should still do research on a phone even if there is hype. You should choose a smartphone based on what operating system you use, just like you would a computer. You wouldn't buy a linux based computer that you didn't know how to use, would you?

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Microsoft is doing exactly what apple does with their WinPhone7. They're making it locked down and more user friendly for everyday people. I'd prefer WinMo 6.5, though. And there are lots who agree. I don't have any problems using WinMo, and can do everything with ease. I don't want Microsoft to "look at what apple has done and improve on that". WinMo is exactly the way I want it to be. If they locked it down and made it easier like apple, it would not be as functional and versatile as it is. It won't be as customizable. To gain simplicity, you'll lose versatility.I don't want that. If you want something like the iphone, get an iphone. Don't say MS should change their OS to be like apples (which actually they are doing for future releases, unfortunately). If you want something simpler, get something simpler. I wanted a new WinMobile phone, so thats why I got an HD2. Why did you get an HD2? Because of hype? There's hype about the iphone 3gs... why didn't you get that? You should still do research on a phone even if there is hype. You should choose a smartphone based on what operating system you use, just like you would a computer. You wouldn't buy a linux based computer that you didn't know how to use, would you?
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actually I traded the iphone 3gs 32gb for my hd2. and yes I did check out all the reviews and video comparisons that you tube and engadget had to offer. iphone killer? hardly. hardware specs yes but it's like taking a Bugati and replacing the software that runs it with that of a ford taurus. and you can't blame HTC as the hardware is working just fine. you say your phone is working just fine but for every person that saying their phone is fine, there are 5 threads stating otherwise. you can have winmo however you like it, I just want my phone to work out of the box without having to reboot it 3 times a day.
And it's pretty sad that HTC has to create a mask to cover winmo's looks. It's like me putting a mask over my girlfriend's face because I'm too embarrassed to be around her. what is the point of marrying a product with an operating system if even the manufacturer is embarrassed for users to see it?

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actually I traded the iphone 3gs 32gb for my hd2. and yes I did check out all the reviews and video comparisons that you tube and engadget had to offer. iphone killer? hardly. hardware specs yes but it's like taking a Bugati and replacing the software that runs it with that of a ford taurus. and you can't blame HTC as the hardware is working just fine. you say your phone is working just fine but for every person that saying their phone is fine, there are 5 threads stating otherwise. you can have winmo however you like it, I just want my phone to work out of the box without having to reboot it 3 times a day.
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People usually only post when there's problems. You don't find most people posting that there phone works fine and has no problems. For every 5 threads of people complaining, theres probably hundreds of happy users. And what are you talking about iphone killer? Its a completely different kind of phone and os for completely different types of users. If you were an iphone user, why did you trade it for the HD2? Why don't you go back to iphone if you don't like WinMo?

HD2 will get Android, make no mistake about it, the community will make it happen. The real issue here is when it will get it.
If you got the phone to put Android on it right now, then it's not the phone for your. If you got it because you wanted an Android phone with the best specs, then by the time Android is running perfectly on the device there'll be better, faster phones.
I got it because I wanted Android on it, but I want to get Android on it myself. I got it as a sort of hobby because now I'll be able to tweak, and turn, and customize, and part of my customization goals is to get Android to load and maybe use it as my daily OS.
But, in the mean time (and I think this is where we're on different situations), I know that the device is a WinMo device, and knowing so has also picked my interest to learn how to work/customize WinMo and make it into something I'll enjoy. That's what XDA is all about. It's sort of the way it was for me when I first used a linux distro. I wanted to rip the hairs off of my head and would be frustrated at how much work it took to do some things I took for granted in Windows. But after working with it for some time, and knowing how it was different, and learning how to use it, now there are tasks that I do in linux that I just can't find myself doing in Windows, so I have both loaded on my computer.
Take the time to work with WinMo, understand that it's different. Only then you'll start seeing how different can mean better in different areas.

Don't get me wrong now, I didn't get this phone to try and find a Android port or WP7 port. I actually traded it because I already know everything there is to know about the iPhone and it was starting to bore me. I wanted to find a phone that would get my tech juices flowing; atleast until the iPhone HD comes. I saw this phone and from all standpoints it looked like and for the most part is still a really nice piece of technology. When I first saw the phone up front I called it Edward's phone cuz the screen sparkles in the sunlight. I think HTC did as good of a job as they could trying to hide as much WM as they could. Some reviews said you have to dwelve pretty deep into the phone to get to WM but I found that to be untrue. Why do I still have it? Because I still have an iPhone 3G and feel like if I give up on the HD2 now, I will never see the full potential of this phone. The 3G is not as fast as my 3GS or even the HD2 but in a world of simpler is better, the iPhone just fits. So for right now my HD2 is my secondary phone when my iPhone battery dies.
But taking out the stock MicroSD card really does help. I really think there should be a some sort of recall on those SD cards if that many people are having issues with them.

hmmmm thx for the information....I just found out about flashing the phones with other roms....did not know i could do that with my hd2
well that being known i guess i could get the most out of my hd2
And i do totally agree that iphone does not come near my hd2 in many aspects
just have to tweaked it to my ways...
any advice of available roms? for my tm hd? and also...where can I get GPS software like tomtom, garmin, igo or copilot? where can I purchase/download them?

I have said it once and Ill say it again.
I did buy my Hd2 in hopes that android would be ported.
BUt over all I am happy with my decision to buy it.
Some people forget that its easy just to say go buy this phone or that phone.
but Some people dont have service with those companies or have had bad experiences'
I love my hd2 but i can admit when I see more Dev's working on Iphone apps.
Android suffers from that same fate. But they are gaining more and more.
I have had my hd2 since the US lauch. The first few days were fustrating. Its gotten easy as I have found roms that make it perform so much better.
One thing I have also learned is .. We techies are the minority. Phones are not designed with us in mind. Phones are designed with the majority in mind .
Yes the Iphone is dumb down. No one cares how it works aslong as it works.
Once we get use to that everything will be gravey.
being An original Iphone user for more than 2 years I can honestly say it gets old after a while.
Ill stick with my Hd2

I cant really say this enough but windows mobile and S60 to me are the only Operating systems that never bow down to the apple trend. Sure S60 and windows mobile were the last ones to get pinch to zoom and capacitive touch screen and people might say oh look their following android and apple. but in all reality s60 and windows mobile innovated the market for what it is now. who came out with the email and PDA system back in the day people would drool to have that windows did! who came out with the crazy camera and media power house N95 s60 did. compare to what android and apple are innovating comes wayyyyy short what windows mobile and s60 have done.

Well I don't have to open a new thread now I'll just kinda change this one...I really want this phone cause well it's an awesome phone but the thing that has held me back has been the OS. I owned and still have a tilt and I loved that phone til the screen cracked so I moved on and tried out a G1 and I hated it but after playing with it for a while and the customization of the phone and the growth of the market I love android now and can't see myself goin back now I have a MT3G so it's been almost a year and I wanna upgrade again. Ok my point is I've googled HD2 with android to see if it had been accomplished yet sadly no but I found a lot of results saying that T-MO will have an OTA android update for the HD2 later this summer. Idk how true this is but a number of ppl in the t-mo forums have discussed this saying that tmo reps have told them this will happen to compete with the Evo. It will supposedly dual boot I guess you'll have an option of which os u wanna run...Any thoughts how likely is or is it just BS imo I think it's to good to be true lol

Im just gonna say this no matter how far we get booting android it will never be as good as an android device unless its flashed to it if you buy a windows mobile device is because you like it not for what ever hacks come out. its like those people that buy hondas and toyotas and turn them too look like an audi or a ferrari or a bentley you buy a device because your happy for what it is not for what you can turn it into. what happen if xda developers banish everyone its going to throw their android and windows to the trash??? first be happy with what you have then be happy what you can do

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Well I don't have to open a new thread now I'll just kinda change this one...I really want this phone cause well it's an awesome phone but the thing that has held me back has been the OS. I owned and still have a tilt and I loved that phone til the screen cracked so I moved on and tried out a G1 and I hated it but after playing with it for a while and the customization of the phone and the growth of the market I love android now and can't see myself goin back now I have a MT3G so it's been almost a year and I wanna upgrade again. Ok my point is I've googled HD2 with android to see if it had been accomplished yet sadly no but I found a lot of results saying that T-MO will have an OTA android update for the HD2 later this summer. Idk how true this is but a number of ppl in the t-mo forums have discussed this saying that tmo reps have told them this will happen to compete with the Evo. It will supposedly dual boot I guess you'll have an option of which os u wanna run...Any thoughts how likely is or is it just BS imo I think it's to good to be true lol
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I can pretty much guarantee that that is bs. They are not gonna have an official update to put android on the hd2. It's a WinMo phone... they don't just update phones with different OS's.

Update on Android on HD2 - New Article

Hey all,
I have been waiting for news on this and it has been May since there has been any word on the Android OS being able to run on HD2s. Supposedly they have gotten over most of the major conflicts with this anticipated pairing. Check out some of the information from this article below:
Title:
HTC HD2 Android Port Makes Strides, Nears Release [Community Overcomes Problems Plauging HTC HD2 Android Port, Hopes to Have Public Release Available Soon[
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With Windows Mobile dying a slow and painful death, Windows Phone 7 right around the corner and Android gaining a considerable portion of the smartphone marketshare along with buzz, the HTC HD2 remains a device lingering in limbo, begging for some attention. Regarded as one of the best Windows Mobile 6.5 powered handsets with a 4.3-inch capacitive display, 1GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon processor, 576MB of RAM, a 5 megapixel camera, microSDHC slot and WiFi/Bluetooth/GPS/3G the HTC HD2 lacks no where in terms of hardware, but arguably everywhere in terms of software.
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Apparantly, the port was plagued with problems regarding the HD2′s processor along with the Linux boot tool dubbed HaRET that would be used to actually make the Android port. Luckily, those problems have been overcome giving the HTC HD2 Android port the much needed kick to near public availability. Be sure to check back soon as we track the port’s progress.
If/when this port is made available, will all of you HD2 owners out there make the jump from Windows Mobile to Android? If not, why?
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Article from - Nexus404.com
I am not sure how true this is but hopefully it does come out soon cause i do miss my Android OS. Let me know how you guys feel about the article if you want to search for it.
I also have heard that someone actually has a working Windows Mobile 7 on a HD2, its in the development stage, can someone post on that if they know more. I am hoping for a dual boot so I can use both and have the best of both worlds.
Later,
AndroidWindows
T-Mo HD2 6.5
Energy GTX Rom

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=651632

android fake app
hey theres a pretty cheezy app in the omarket that looks like android its basicly like the sbpshell i guess but its kinda cool to mess around with =) and i cant wait for andriod i check up on it every day haha i hate this winmo 6.5 crap

Keep in mind we are still a long way from a fully functional port that you would actually want to replace winmo with. I wouldn't expect a fully working port that can actually use most of the hardware (bluetooth, wifi, gps, camera, etc.) and that works like an actual android phone for at least a year... and I would consider that fast development. Look at all the other ports for other winmo phones... none of them are fully functional yet... they all have missing parts and bugs. Great progress has been made in the last week for the hd2, but theres still a long way to go.

guess if you could do a dual boot with windows and android..would that make it the first hybrid OS? maybe call it WinDroid..or has that already been coined?

check out the twitter page where they posted a pic of the hd2 running ubuntu
twitter. com/htc_linux

fusion06 said:
guess if you could do a dual boot with windows and android..would that make it the first hybrid OS? maybe call it WinDroid..or has that already been coined?
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There are several other WinMo phones that can boot into android... this isn't the first winmo device there working on this for. That's how we pretty much know what to expect with the port and how it will take a long time to get it fully functional... They'e been porting android to winmo devices for years... even before there was an android device released.... but not one port is fully functional yet like a dedicated android phone. These android ports are fun to play with and if theres specific apps you want to use its nice to be able to boot into android... but they usually aren't good enough to replace winmo as your daily phone os for a long time. So don't expect your HD2 to become as functional as an EVO or any other android phone anytime soon.

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Keep in mind we are still a long way from a fully functional port that you would actually want to replace winmo with. I wouldn't expect a fully working port that can actually use most of the hardware (bluetooth, wifi, gps, camera, etc.) and that works like an actual android phone for at least a year... and I would consider that fast development. Look at all the other ports for other winmo phones... none of them are fully functional yet... they all have missing parts and bugs. Great progress has been made in the last week for the hd2, but theres still a long way to go.
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Who can tell whether the android port for HTC HD2 is also valid on my t-mobile HD2.
I know the work is in progress but want to check it first, since I have an offer to exchange for a HTC HD2 currently.
THX

Titicaca said:
Who can tell whether the android port for HTC HD2 is also valid on my t-mobile HD2.
THX
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IT works on TMoUS HD2 the same as EU HD2
they work just the same

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There are several other WinMo phones that can boot into android... this isn't the first winmo device there working on this for. That's how we pretty much know what to expect with the port and how it will take a long time to get it fully functional... They'e been porting android to winmo devices for years... even before there was an android device released.... but not one port is fully functional yet like a dedicated android phone. These android ports are fun to play with and if theres specific apps you want to use its nice to be able to boot into android... but they usually aren't good enough to replace winmo as your daily phone os for a long time. So don't expect your HD2 to become as functional as an EVO or any other android phone anytime soon.
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Wow if I knew this I wouldnt have gotten one. Guess I should have done more research..

i hate windows, i cannot wait for an android os for the hd2, if the android os wasnt in the works i never would have bought the hd2. i appreciate all of your hardwork on this project, youre all great, and if i could i would donate thousands to the cause. but im a poor broke white boy, lol.

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i hate windows, i cannot wait for an android os for the hd2, if the android os wasnt in the works i never would have bought the hd2. i appreciate all of your hardwork on this project, youre all great, and if i could i would donate thousands to the cause. but im a poor broke white boy, lol.
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Like I said earlier... the android port is not going to be as good as an android phone. Your not going to want to use it full time and replace windows with it for at least a year. You shouldn't have gotten a HD2 if you don't like winmo, because thats the only os that will run well on the phone for a long time. The android port will be nice to play with, but its going to be very buggy and not very functional for a long time. Look at the android ports for the other winmo phones... and they've been under development for years.

I don't know about that...I've used the port on both the Touch Pro and the Touch Pro 2 and both are REALLY good. Really...the ONLY thing that stops me from using the TP2 port in everyday use is the "no external speaker". It's usually not a big deal durring work hrs since it's on vibrate all day anyway...but when im home and stuff gets loud...vibrate doesn't work for me. The only other things that don't work I believe are camera, bt, and gps(which KIND of works). None of those 3 would stop me from using a phone every day. The Android port for the TP2 is blazing fast compared to other devices with the same processor(i.e. g1/mytouch) and offers you that beautiful wvga resolution(480x800). if and when the HD2 gets to that point...i'd use WM durring the day for work, and Android by night lol

Is triple booting possible?

I thuroughly enjoy the freedom that the HD2 allows us. If you know how to us WM propperly,there isn't anything that this hardware can't handle. Adding the ability to boot into Android, or WP7 for that matter,is simply an added bonus. Will I install it on my phone? Of course. There isn't much that I haven't installed on my phone. But did I buy this in hopes of a port to another OS? No. I would have bought a phone that came with said OS if I needed that.
Thank you to all the developers who have worked tirelessly to make our phones so much fun. Keep doing what you do for those of us who can't.

^i agree wholeheartedly. I bought this phone after having a G1 and before that having a Wing, MDA and SDA. I am used to WinMo and Android and though I love Android, I can't say I'm dissatisfied with WinMo at all. I love the freedom to flash roms and all the different sorts of customization options I've got. If Android is what you want, I'd say don't get the HD2 from the start.

Speaking of Win 7 I hope the developers are working on it for the HD2. Rumor was that it will not be able to run on it.

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I thuroughly enjoy the freedom that the HD2 allows us. If you know how to us WM propperly,there isn't anything that this hardware can't handle. Adding the ability to boot into Android, or WP7 for that matter,is simply an added bonus. Will I install it on my phone? Of course. There isn't much that I haven't installed on my phone. But did I buy this in hopes of a port to another OS? No. I would have bought a phone that came with said OS if I needed that.
Thank you to all the developers who have worked tirelessly to make our phones so much fun. Keep doing what you do for those of us who can't.
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+1! Very well said!

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Keep in mind we are still a long way from a fully functional port that you would actually want to replace winmo with. I wouldn't expect a fully working port that can actually use most of the hardware (bluetooth, wifi, gps, camera, etc.) and that works like an actual android phone for at least a year... and I would consider that fast development. Look at all the other ports for other winmo phones... none of them are fully functional yet... they all have missing parts and bugs. Great progress has been made in the last week for the hd2, but theres still a long way to go.
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Why even bother if it is soo buggy and not fully functional? Just for fun? I don't get it if it is sooo far away from a fully functional port why is everyone so excited. Sorry but your statement makes me feel like this android port is a big waste of time. Im sure next time I get a new phone I will try out an ANDROID phone.

The reason we are excited is because it brings new life to our phones, it allows us the freedom of choice. I love Windows and I love Android and the prospect of getting WP7 makes me excited because I don't have to shell out money for a new phone when I have a phone that I love right here, to do whatever I want and make my phone what I want it to be. It isn't a waste of time, it is a huge step to the development for a Android port to an original Windows phone. Saying it's a huge waste of time is like saying cooked roms is a huge waste of time, it adds another spectrum to our devices allowing us to customize, mod, hack, and personalize as we please.
I just booted Android on my HD2 and I can not wait till it's stable and I can play around with it even more. I got to the Set Up Device screen and played with the menu ! I'll post a video soon!

[Q] Gingerbread on Focus?

I was just curious if anyone has any thoughts on Gingerbread on a Samsung Focus? I read that the Nexus S with the recent Gingerbread installed is the identical phone. I am very happy with Phone 7 and have no intentions of switching but the possibility could give us all much more value with the Focus. The thought of Gingerbread on this phone may also add to the longevity and a market value if someone wanted to sell it before their contract is up. I love phone 7 and hope they start some regular updates to make the phone even better.

Yep.. it's called the captivate LOL and probably not because it's a 3 button phone, kinda why HD2's and other window mobile phones are not upgradable

ITDRAGON said:
Yep.. it's called the captivate LOL and probably not because it's a 3 button phone, kinda why HD2's and other window mobile phones are not upgradable
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on a side note.... the HD2 is upgradable... they've successfully put windows 7 on it. The only catch so far is it doesn't have the correct licencing so it isn't able to have working live tiles or the marketplace. But none the less.... its on there working.
I dont think anyones been working on Android on our phones yet. First thing's first is to get WP7 cracked open totally then they can do their magic. That's still a ways off though.

If you want android on a phone, how about you buy an android phone and not clutter wp7 areas.

Aaron McCarthy said:
on a side note.... the HD2 is upgradable... they've successfully put windows 7 on it. The only catch so far is it doesn't have the correct licencing so it isn't able to have working live tiles or the marketplace. But none the less.... its on there working.
I dont think anyones been working on Android on our phones yet. First thing's first is to get WP7 cracked open totally then they can do their magic. That's still a ways off though.
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last time I check the gps, camera, and... something else didn't work but to add live tiles not working on top of that... what's the sense?

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last time I check the gps, camera, and... something else didn't work but to add live tiles not working on top of that... what's the sense?
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well work in progress...considering they said WM7 wouldn't be able to run at all on any other devices Id say its a pretty huge step. Probably the only WM phone that can do it and do it well. Android still doesn't work fully on my touch pro 2 but I kept that phone just for that reason that one day it WILL be able to run it.
the HD2 can run android (almost full), WM 6.1/6.5, WM7 and I think they were saying they're starting to work on getting webos on it too so, pretty stellar phone I would say!
Still, like I said, I think android running on our phones is still a long ways a way. They only just recently cracked one of the HTC WP7's to be able to run other roms. Big step for sure but still a far cry from running an entirely different OS

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well work in progress...considering they said WM7 wouldn't be able to run at all on any other devices Id say its a pretty huge step. Probably the only WM phone that can do it and do it well. Android still doesn't work fully on my touch pro 2 but I kept that phone just for that reason that one day it WILL be able to run it.
the HD2 can run android (almost full), WM 6.1/6.5, WM7 and I think they were saying they're starting to work on getting webos on it too so, pretty stellar phone I would say!
Still, like I said, I think android running on our phones is still a long ways a way. They only just recently cracked one of the HTC WP7's to be able to run other roms. Big step for sure but still a far cry from running an entirely different OS
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Yeah well considering I use the GPS, and camera a lot, and live tiles now that I have it. I wouldn't consider that close lol That 4.3 screen is just awesome for TomTom. I'd rather use my HD2 as an android device before a windows phone 7. Web OS might be interesting though... aah so little time some many possibilites. Another problem is the Focus is only a 3 button phone, I duno if you can rework Android to work on 3 instead of 4.

hvbelton said:
If you want android on a phone, how about you buy an android phone and mot clutter wp7 areas.
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Thanks for the useless comment. This is a legitimate question. Not all of us want to spend the money on every different devices. I'd like to be able to run android for testing on the Focus if it was possible. Nothing wrong with that question.

thegarmac said:
Thanks for the useless comment. This is a legitimate question. Not all of us want to spend the money on every different devices. I'd like to be able to run android for testing on the Focus if it was possible. Nothing wrong with that question.
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Then post the useless inquiry the android section and waste their space

TJMJT said:
I was just curious if anyone has any thoughts on Gingerbread on a Samsung Focus? I read that the Nexus S with the recent Gingerbread installed is the identical phone. I am very happy with Phone 7 and have no intentions of switching but the possibility could give us all much more value with the Focus. The thought of Gingerbread on this phone may also add to the longevity and a market value if someone wanted to sell it before their contract is up. I love phone 7 and hope they start some regular updates to make the phone even better.
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lol.........................

thank you hvbelton! as i read... it is what i was thinking... then again... so thank you!