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New HERO device - Why?

Why doesn't HTC make the Android OS available for the Blackstone? They just released the HTC Hero (very cool video as well) here:
http://www.htc.com/europe/product/hero/gallery.html
and the hardware specs are almost identical as the Blackstone -
HTC should make the ROMs available without direct support and let the XDA community keep it going (for those who want away from WinMobile)
I LOVE my Blackstone (especially with Dutty's ROM) but would prefer an Android based device if possible.
Maybe we should petition HTC to let Android loose for the Blackstone device (at least have access to the Hero ROM for porting)
What do you think??
Thx,
R.Fox

rfox said:
Why doesn't HTC make the Android OS available for the Blackstone? They just released the HTC Hero (very cool video as well) here:
http://www.htc.com/europe/product/hero/gallery.html
and the hardware specs are almost identical as the Blackstone -
HTC should make the ROMs available without direct support and let the XDA community keep it going (for those who want away from WinMobile)
I LOVE my Blackstone (especially with Dutty's ROM) but would prefer an Android based device if possible.
Maybe we should petition HTC to let Android loose for the Blackstone device (at least have access to the Hero ROM for porting)
What do you think??
Thx,
R.Fox
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I don't think a petition would make much difference, people will still go out and buy HTC devices, so why should they change?
Also, HTC are aware of sites like XDA and know it would only be a while before a version compatible for the HD was created....so why should they do it?
I'm with you though. I wish the support HTC provided for existing customers equalled Apples who offer free upgrades etc

Android on Touch HD
If the specs of the HD and Hero are so similar, then surely it is possible just to port the OS over, as is? It is Open Source after all. It doesn't need HTC's permission for us to put it there. And as for support, surely the Android community in partnership with XDA-D would be enough?

porting a rom from a device with 3 times as small native res would be some feat

Hello,
first of all, I am new here and must say - really great work here!
Touch HD vs. Hero:
OK the specifications are almost the same, almost! Hero has multitouch, this is a step against Touch HD! Touch HD has the better resolution, if I am not wrong.
Windows against Android (inc. Sens): If I look on the new Hero product tour on htc - great - I want quite clearly Android! However, I am confident that this will be available on Touch HD... sooner or later, official or unofficial!

Android
Rudegar said:
porting a rom from a device with 3 times as small native res would be some feat
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Ah yes, forgot that difference!

Fallen Spartan said:
I don't think a petition would make much difference, people will still go out and buy HTC devices, so why should they change?
Also, HTC are aware of sites like XDA and know it would only be a while before a version compatible for the HD was created....so why should they do it?
I'm with you though. I wish the support HTC provided for existing customers equalled Apples who offer free upgrades etc
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Unfortunately there is a slight flaw with that. The new device creation along with inherent new OS and/or Software allows companies to diversify their wares to a much larger extent than Apple. Whilst Apple, as I agree, manage to keep their users up to date with the latest and greatest they produce, the breadth of what they produce is sadly lacking.
It's a trade off and as anything comes down to money and a business model.

it's not hard to figure why
its a business and about making money
plain and simple

htc sense on polaris

is there any rom with htc sense on it?
i mean something good like the rom that the htc hd2 have....

Try [29-Sep] pcarvalho rom

"Sense" is only the new name of former "manila 3D". On pcarvalho-ROM manila 2D is included. Nearly the same without 3D-effects.

Bib_x said:
"Sense" is only the new name of former "manila 3D". On pcarvalho-ROM manila 2D is included. Nearly the same without 3D-effects.
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Wrong!!
Sense is the new UI made by htc used in most recent android devices...
I dont think its possible to cook it but ther´s a way to use it in our Polaris...search the forum

Read and learn:
http://www.mydigitallife.info/2009/...h-htc-sense-and-4-3-capacitive-touch-display/
“At HTC we believe that the best things in life should be experienced, not explained. HTC Sense is based on this principle by making the phone more simple and natural to use and by enabling people to personalise their mobile experience in their own unique way,” commented Peter Chou, CEO for HTC Corporation. With HTC Sense, the HTC HD2 melds the power and flexibility of the Windows platform with the most advanced phone we’ve ever created.”
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I just learned some guy decided to call touch flo 2.6 wich is part of HTC Sense™ development....sense UI.Different things.
This is the sense UI i know and most people know...
http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/24/htc-hero-details-begin-leaking-from-htcs-own-website/
Now take your own conclusions i wont make this a debate...

HTC Sense on Polaris ?
Guys, I have seen that the HTC HD2 rom has been installed on the HTC Touch HD.
Why not on the HTC Polaris then?
Any ideas?

as the hd/hd2 are wvga(800x480) we have qvga(320x240) therefore it will need to have all of the graphics resized. Then there is the 3d issue which with some searching you will find out. Then there is the memory issue hd has twice ram/rom hd2 has ~3x both. so that is why it wont work.
Quite simple really

Touch HD or Hero????

I'm considering buying a new HTC phone after Xmas as my Sony Ericsson W850i is getting a bit old. I've seen the Touch HD with WM6.5 roms but I've also seen the Hero. Which one should I go for? [PS. I'm from the UK]

Come on, i will take the LEO and sell my HD to you.

As above post, why not go for latest phone 'Leo' a.k.a. the HD2 instead of both the HD and the Hero??
If you would still rather go for either the HD or Hero, then its simply down to whether you want Android or Windows

MehLon said:
I'm considering buying a new HTC phone after Xmas as my Sony Ericsson W850i is getting a bit old. I've seen the Touch HD with WM6.5 roms but I've also seen the Hero. Which one should I go for? [PS. I'm from the UK]
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I have an HD, one of my friends has a hero.
Both are awesome, it is a win win question.
do you want android or windows is the question.

CAVEGIANT said:
I have an HD, one of my friends has a hero.
Both are awesome, it is a win win question.
do you want android or windows is the question.
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I should add, most 6.5 roms stink so far.
Dutty's 6.1 has most of the feature stolen from 6.5, but with none of the crap

Fallen Spartan said:
As above post, why not go for latest phone 'Leo' a.k.a. the HD2 instead of both the HD and the Hero??
If you would still rather go for either the HD or Hero, then its simply down to whether you want Android or Windows
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Basically, I am on a bit of a budget as I am actually planning to get one pre-owned from 'Cex'. If I had the money, I would go for the Leo without another word but I can't. I'm new to the smartphone market and I've never tried Android or Windows Mobile. I just like the Sense UI on both [using a ROM if I got the HD]. Which OS should I go for?

MehLon said:
I'm considering buying a new HTC phone after Xmas as my Sony Ericsson W850i is getting a bit old. I've seen the Touch HD with WM6.5 roms but I've also seen the Hero. Which one should I go for? [PS. I'm from the UK]
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Hi, clearly i can say only:
Touch Hd - more advanced, more ability/opportunities, wm is more custom-able than android, touch hd have in development fully* working android
Hero - fastest interface, easy in use, lower resolution, no videocall's, hero housing/case is beautyfull, best quality I have seen.
Touch HD2 looks great but in my opinion too expensive atm - just wait for next gen. 1.5Ghz Snapdragon platforms

HD -> pocket-friendly, WM=heavy weight+Qualcomm/HTC hardware acceleration driver support for HD (therefore laggy), fully configurable&tweakable.
Hero -> pocket-friendly, Android=very lightweight (only sometimes laggy), consistent interface and apps, outstanding Google apps (e.g. free Street View Navigation) if you don't mind about your privacy, but may become boring if you like customizing your phone.
HD2 -> not pocket-friendly, the best and fastest (WM) phone out there.
Both HD and Hero phones are to be considered end-of-HTC-"support".
If you can afford to wait 9 more months, go for sth cheap meanwhile and take a look at the next HTC (Win7 OS and/or Tegra platforms) and iPhone generations, then consider again. If you can't wait, I'd currently go for the HD2, even though I'm very happy with my HD (but I wouldn't buy it again, it's a dying product).

HTC sense - hd2 vs hero

when i first looked into getting a HD2, one of the things that sold me was the HTC sense video conducted by HTC (can be seen on youtube htc page)
i really liked the bit in the video that allowed you to customize different wallpapers, clocks etc depending on days of the week (ie work days vs weekend). So i was a bit disappointed to learn upon buying my hd2 that the feature known as 'scenes' is not available on the WinMo version of sense - only the android.
Of course, it is totally my fault for not doing the proper research.. i would just like to know if this feature will ever be included for the HD2/winmo version of sense? or maybe in a cooked rom?
thanks for any input!

Can't decide between WP7 or Desire HD. What would you do?

I hae had WinMo for years now with various handsets. Time for me to move on. I have played with the Desire HD rom on my HD2 and I like it. Now WP7 looks really good too.
I want to get one or the other in terms of handset.
They both have similar but also diff specs.
HD7 5mpx cam - DHD 8mpx cam
HD7 No radio - DHD has radio
HD7 No flash support - DHD has flash support
HD7 No DLNA - DHD has DLNA
Both have great UIs
Both have Dolby Sound
I can't decide.

I don't have the attention to give you "the" answer; but maybe this can help you.
Make a list of what you need. (important)
make a list on what you will (les important)
Think on your experience and think on the problems you have got in the past and you certainly dont will again.
Think on the future (I mean next mouth you will have need something GPS...?)
So now you have a list and you can start to look witch device gives you the most of your needs.
okay this was based on needs now you can compare with taste.

in it's current state wp7 devices are NOT an upgrade to the HD2. I am going to wait this one out as I believe that my HD2 will last me at least another 2 years and then we'll see if the WP7 platform has things that I want in my phone
1. copy paste
2. tethering
3. expandable storage
4. 3rd part app multi-tasking
4. displays better than the sub 1280*800 displays we have now

If I were you, I would just wait till Cotulla finishes the work on WP7 so we can all try it on our HD2 devices. Then if you're interested in it go for the WP7 otherwise go for the Desire which you said you've played with it and liked it.

tboy2000 said:
I hae had WinMo for years now with various handsets. Time for me to move on. I have played with the Desire HD rom on my HD2 and I like it. Now WP7 looks really good too.
I want to get one or the other in terms of handset.
They both have similar but also diff specs.
HD7 5mpx cam - DHD 8mpx cam
HD7 No radio - DHD has radio
HD7 No flash support - DHD has flash support
HD7 No DLNA - DHD has DLNA
Both have great UIs
Both have Dolby Sound
I can't decide.
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Hi Tboy2000,
Havent you answered your own question with the pros/cons list above? I would take the Desire HD. WP7 needs time to develop, and the HD7 seems to offer less than the HD2.

I was soo wanting the desire HD when it was announced, but since trying it on my hd2 its great and all, but my hd2 can do so much more, the only advantage i see over the hd2 is the camera other than that for me the hd2 wins hands down. WP7 is the same (as much) hardware as the hd2, so for me im sticking with the hd2 until a better processor/camera/build.
JR

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Wait at least month after both devices are released. But I don't hold any hopes for WP7. I don't see why anyone should want it.

Thanks for the comments guys. I guess I wanted to make a decision soon because I would want to sell my HD2 and put the money to a new handset and if I wait and wait, the value of the HD2 will drop further. They go for around 220 pounds on ebay. I want a HD7 because the OS is NEW and will flourish and develop further over time and developers are supporting it well. However Desire HD is so much better than Desire and the new HTC OS tweaks make it an excellent phone. I just can't decide lol!

if my HD2 would stop working , i think i would buy the Desire HD.
But since my HD2 still works i'll stick to that since i can run Desire HD Android aswell as windows 6.5

HD2. Hands down. It almost has the same features as Desire HD except Desire HD has more RAM, and a better camera. So, HD2.

I had a HD2, but unfortunately 'she' died last Sunday. I read ALOT about the new HTC Windows 7 and Android devices. I also talked with some professional developers and they advised me to go for Android. Why? It's a well developed OS with lots of applications and games. Most application- and game developers are investing in IOS and Android. Windows 7 is a good looking OS, but it lacks many applications and games.It needs time to grow up...I don't want to wait, I want to enjoy my phone.

tboy2000 said:
I hae had WinMo for years now with various handsets. Time for me to move on. I have played with the Desire HD rom on my HD2 and I like it. Now WP7 looks really good too.
I want to get one or the other in terms of handset.
They both have similar but also diff specs.
HD7 5mpx cam - DHD 8mpx cam
HD7 No radio - DHD has radio
HD7 No flash support - DHD has flash support
HD7 No DLNA - DHD has DLNA
Both have great UIs
Both have Dolby Sound
I can't decide.
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With the list you have there, seems like a pretty lop sided comparison if you ask me...
Since you have an HD2 right now, just wait until you can play with an HD7 a bit before you make a decision.

This all comes down to personal taste and there have been some good comments and tipps for you to decide what phone would be better for you.
In my opinion, I have tried Android long enough to know that I won't buy any Android-phone until the OS would be completely changed from scratch.
Android is ugly, complicated, unstable and fragmented. My 2.5year-old Diamond with WM6.1 is running more reliable than the Desire.
I will stay with my HD2 with WM6.5.3 for the time being and will step to WindowsPhone7 once the hardware is getting better.