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Windos live and gprs

When I run Windows live it insists on running up GPRS, even if I have my wifi on and connected. Oddly I dont hit this issue with IE.
Anyone know what is going on here, and if there is anything I can do about it ?
Thanks,
Andy.
NB. I'm running the Faria WM6

atdavie said:
When I run Windows live it insists on running up GPRS, even if I have my wifi on and connected. Oddly I dont hit this issue with IE.
Anyone know what is going on here, and if there is anything I can do about it ?
Thanks,
Andy.
NB. I'm running the Faria WM6
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thats not the rom's problem. thats a microsoft coding problem. if you can join the beta test and complain about it. i hate that also. instead of looking for an existing connection it starts gprs. thats very annoying.

hiimcliff said:
thats not the rom's problem. thats a microsoft coding problem. if you can join the beta test and complain about it. i hate that also. instead of looking for an existing connection it starts gprs. thats very annoying.
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Anyone considered the fact that M$ thought of it at a different angle?
If you use Windows Live Messenger it connects via GPRS/EDGE because it tries to sustain your online status. If you connect with Wi-Fi and your attention is elsewhere (Chatting to the Sexy waitress who just brought you your coffee) and the device suspends because the suspend time on the device is set to 2min you loose your connection to Live Messenger Servers....
Where as with GPRS the connection remains on even if the device is suspended...so there is no connection lost...
Cant see the problem anyway? If you are connected via GPRS and connect to a Wi-Fi connection PIE and Opera will use the Wi-Fi connection as priority...
But Yeah, I agree that it is not the biggest thing in the world for a Software developer to add a tab in options called "Preferred Connection list"

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Anyone considered the fact that M$ thought of it at a different angle?
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There is another angle from the user perspective, not everyone in the world has an unlimted data plan. People like me in the states are pretty fortunate to be able to get data for $30-$40 a month nationwide unlimited. It is not like that everywhere, or for some $30-$40 a month for data might be too expensive.
Personally I would rather have it use GPRS/EDGE than WiFi becuase it conserves something more valueable to me, that is battery life. Since I pay for unlimited data I like to get the most out of it that I can, last month I pulled almost 4 gigs over EDGE.

computer9cowboy said:
There is another angle from the user perspective, not everyone in the world has an unlimted data plan. People like me in the states are pretty fortunate to be able to get data for $30-$40 a month nationwide unlimited. It is not like that everywhere, or for some $30-$40 a month for data might be too expensive.
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Very True....Relative to what I earn in our currency and what my mobile operator charge.... GPRS/Edge data p/Mb is fairly priced in Namibia (They Dropped our GRPS cost by 60% last month)
However MS cannot write applications to accomedate all the specific rates of different operators accross the globe. Thus they are going the "better user experience" route rather trying to save the end-user money...
But as stated in my previous post... how difficult can it be to change the code to accomedate preferred connections?

Question To SoftBank X Series Users

What is the difference between PC Direct and Access Internet?
What do they refer to please?
What do we have to do to incur charges for these?
This might help:
http://mb.softbank.jp/mb/en/important/20080618_2/index.html
Even if we pay for Unlimited Packet Discount - are there any popular internet apps that we should avoid because of unexpected costs?
(For example YouTube via Coreplayer or something?)
Finally: Are there any financial/packet risks using apps on the phone while it is charging from the USB via the PC?
Much appreciate any advice.

YoungOldDude said:
What is the difference between PC Direct and Access Internet?
What do they refer to please?
What do we have to do to incur charges for these?
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Okay, this is complicated, but I think I have it figured out pretty well.
Unlimited Packet Discount is the flat rate data plan for Softbank. The minimum cost is always 980, but the maximum cost depends on how you use the internet.
If you use a regular Softbank phone (not X-Series) and stay within their "walled garden" of sites that pay Softbank to be in the walled garden then the maximum cost is 4200.
If you use a regular Softbank phone (not X-Series) and don't stay within the walled garden, then the maximum cost is 5985. (This is called PC Site Browser)
If you use an X-Series phone (with the proper AP which comes preinstalled on the stock ROM), then the maximum cost is 9800.
The introduction of the iPhone brought yet ANOTHER flat rate plan into being. It is called Packet Flat-rate Full. It starts at 980 and maxes-out at 5985. Though it is too soon to tell for sure, it seems that this flat rate applies to all phones and all methods of accessing data.
This might help:
http://mb.softbank.jp/mb/en/important/20080618_2/index.html
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If I am reading between the lines correctly, the most prevalent thing that site says is that you shouldn't use your phone as a modem for your PC.
Even if we pay for Unlimited Packet Discount - are there any popular internet apps that we should avoid because of unexpected costs?
(For example YouTube via Coreplayer or something?)
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Not that I know about. Except for using it as a modem for your PC, you should be able to do anything you like with it. However, I am sure they will find a way to screw you if they really want to. One caveat:
Make sure you have the flat-rate AP installed if you are not using the stock Softbank ROM. Otherwise you could be using the open, non-capped (and muuuuch more expensive) AP.
Finally: Are there any financial/packet risks using apps on the phone while it is charging from the USB via the PC?
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Yes actually, in a way there may be. Many programs update automatically when cradled, assuming that there is a live internet connection available from the PC. If the PC is not connected, or if it is behind a proxy, or if Activestync is being stupid, these automatic updates could default to your cellular connection.
The best way to make sure you aren't risking packets is to go into your commmanager and turn your cellular radio off.
PS, Kudos for putting this in the Networking section where it belongs instead of tacking this on one of the long, already disjointed Softbank-themed discussions in the Hermes and Kaiser sections.

Thanks very much for the effort and attention to your reply.
I'm still not 100% sure what the differences are between PC Direct and Access Int?... (My PC Direct is taken care of by my packet discount but my access internet is over $1000 that I have to pay. Talk about an expensive screw up!)
内訳　アクセスＩＮＴ＠０．２円　５２５２１８Ｐｋｔ (Access Int)
内訳　 ＰＣダイレクト＠０．０８円　６０６３８Ｐｋｔ (PC Direct)
I assume it isn't too easy to use the phone as my PC modem accidentally?
I'm trying to cover all bases and not make the same mistakes again.
(I'm getting paranoid just plugging the USB cable in to upload a cab file - at least until I figure out my bills with SB staff)
(It is a little confusing just getting this bill when I reverted back to the original rom and default settings on September 1st and paid my $550 SoftBank bill on Friday (2 days ago)
(Thanks for your PM too.)

Hi, I am sorry to hear about your bill...
Maybe you can help us figure out exactly what happened by giving us a list of the Apps you have on your phone, and how frequently you use them. There is a lot of misinformation floating around on the Internet regarding using the X series on Softbank, so by putting as much information as possible on threads like this will go a long way. First off, what device are you using (probably the X01HT with a non-oem ROM)? What AP were you using? And finally, what apps were you using?
I have been using a stock X02HT for several months, first on the Unlimited Packet Discount plan (980-9800), and for the last month, on the new iPhone/X Series plan (5985). I have never had a huge bill yet. I use on a regular bases Hotmail and Gmail (IMAP) access using Pocket Outlook, PIE, ActiveSync OTA, Pocket Weather updates, random applications updates (Resco, etc), and IMPlus. I can safely assume that all of these activities are safe.

Well first of all it's a SoftBank X01T (Toshiba G900) which isn't supported on this forum as far as the phone model is concerned.
However, many of us share quite similar SoftBank billing plans, rates or charges.
At the end of the day - I changed the rom and used the wrong Access Point and password - from what I can tell. (SoftBank - don't even entertain the idea of talking about this stuff). For a couple of months I hardly used the net with the new rom and my bill was small.
Then I bought CorePlayer and decided to test it's built-in YouTube client on a couple of occasions. That's when all of my money was sucked out of my pockets, life and near future.
SoftBank tell you ONE DAY after you reach your first $500. So by the time you find out - you have possibly doubled that.
Like many phones - updates are not offered by SoftBank for this model.
Although I was trying not to be on the defensive - the SoftBank telephone rep already had me shaved and shackled as soon as I mentioned that I changed a few settings on my `Windows PC phone'. I quote "That's what people with Windows do."
I should have reminded them that it's the Mac lovers who are happy to spend a little more.
Anyway - if you need more info - I'll be hanging around Tokyo station with a cup in my hand. (No disrespect to anyone intended).
Cheers.
ps. For the record - I went back to the original rom with default connection settings.

Anyone looking for information about Softbank's flat rate Access Protocol, please refer to the following thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=441400
Thanks.

Thanks
@ larsuk,
My request is network related so I didn't know if I should post it here or attached to the end of the other Softbank threads...
In any case, thanks to Grant and larsuk for explaining what happened to me when I surfed the web from my PC, using my Nokia with a Vodafone (SB) USIM testing my phone's modem adapter and my 3G connection.
I applied for the SB unlimited data plan in view of a trip around Japan as I wanted to use my Nokia as a PC modem. I tested my phone's modem adapter and my 3G connection by surfing the web from my PC for a couple of days and all went well...
That is until my next SB bill hit me! It was monstrous! Almost 7,000US$!!!
I managed to talk my way out of it with an understanding SB representative who waived almost everything considering my obvious good faith. Japan may totally lack any traces of common sense or practical thinking but I love the genuine kindness and its kind of "paternalistic" approach to laws and regulations: they do let off first time offenders with a warning.
Anyway, thanks for explaining waht happened! Now... I know that this forum doesn't support Symbian but, RayBmade a very handy Softbank cab which seems to work miracles on Windows and Android and I couldn't find anything like it on any Symbian forum. Any chances that that cab may find its way into the Symbian world or any way to modify the APN on a Symbian device?
I have now bought an hTC DHD from Softbank and I wonder how I survived on Symbian for so long but, still, I'm not ready to throw away my N8 (I need 2 phones for 2 numbers).
Thanks...
Tommaso

t-mobile US USB tethering (not wifi)

Tried getting an answer on t-mobile's forums but it seems mostly people *****ing or having no clue about anything so couldn't get a straight answer and thought someone might know here.
I heard someone say wifi tethering is fine, but if you USB tethering and use more than 100mb they charge an insane per mb fee, does anyone know if that's true?
I just would rather be able to use USB because i've noticed the wifi on it (at least with the t-mobile US rom) is horrible and has issues holding a connection often even when a foot away from the computer connecting and I also noticed while HTC's wifi router is running the phone itself has no internet access and won't download emails, etc which is very annoying, but window mobile's internet sharing tool doesn't have that issue.

I use USB tether on a daily basis, and have been for at least the past six months. I just started using the feature on my Leo, but I've been with T-Mobile for over a year now and been tethering on a MT3G and Nexus One. I'm 100% certain that I've gone waaaay over 100MB, but I have never seen any additional charges on my bill because of data usage.
Edit: Actually, after thinking about it...each Leo ROM is over 100mb soo...

great! thanks, tethering has been my biggest concern switching to t-mobile with them lacking any official tethering plan, I don't mind paying for it if they offered it and did on at&t, just so long as I can do it averaged 4gb on at&t.
now if only the radios on the stock rom weren't so bad, and I'm kind off leary on the whole rom flashing thing.

I wouldn't be too leary on flashing. I was a bit when I first did it with my first phone. But I did a lot of reading, double/tripple checking. With the HD2, I'm just giving it enough bake time so people work out any kinks in flashing first.

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I heard someone say wifi tethering is fine, but if you USB tethering and use more than......
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id be really interested in how they could tell the difference.

With an unlimited data plan, almost all US carriers kind of turn a blind eye to tethering (or suspected tethering) as long as you stay under the technical data cap (~3-5GB for the US carriers, I think 5GB for TMo).
I've tethered my MT3G with T-Mo for a long time, using nearly 1GB in a day as a wifi router for friends in an apartment, and heard absolutely nothing from TMo.

Thraka said:
I wouldn't be too leary on flashing. I was a bit when I first did it with my first phone. But I did a lot of reading, double/tripple checking. With the HD2, I'm just giving it enough bake time so people work out any kinks in flashing first.
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Well I did try once with my Fuze unsucessfully and worried to try it and brick my HD2 because i've found the instructions i've seen on here not very clear, like I know there was one program it said to flash before flashing rom's but it was only for certain roms and none of the roms seemed to indicate which was the proper way to flash that specific rom :/
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id be really interested in how they could tell the difference.
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Well I know when I had my HTC Fuze on AT&T when I would tether the phone it showed 2 different active data connection, I belive one was called internet and one data, though I don't see that on T-mobile, just have internet so maybe they can't, just kind of want to be sure and not get some crazy bill.

I'm also not worried about a limit or being charged for it, but was hoping for faster connection speed with TMo. Averaging 800kbps 2 days after receiving my HD2, about equal to my omnia with verizon.
Havent readup on it much yet, but is the 7mbps a TMo rarity?
And I too plan on flashing a ROM, trying to wait...

Anyone have a cab to add the USB internet sharing to the menu that pops up when I connect to USB on my computer? It only shows 2 options, and on custom roms it shows internet sharing. Also has anyone found a cab to add the WIFI Router to the Sense Wireless Settings menu? Thanks

I have been tethering for almost 7 years with T-Mobile.
The OP stated 100MB may refer the original web2go thing. The truth is: you'll be upgraded to smartphone data once you go over 100MB, but it's never enforced.
To tether with HD2, you need to use internet sharing in tools sub-menu. T-Mobile Data or Internet doesn't really matter.
It's said there's a 10GB softcap and you're throttled thereafter till the next billing cycle, but I don't hear anybody (including myself) got hit yet.
You can tether, just use it sparingly. It's not your home internet replacement.

mingkee said:
I have been tethering for almost 7 years with T-Mobile.
The OP stated 100MB may refer the original web2go thing. The truth is: you'll be upgraded to smartphone data once you go over 100MB, but it's never enforced.
To tether with HD2, you need to use internet sharing in tools sub-menu. T-Mobile Data or Internet doesn't really matter.
It's said there's a 10GB softcap and you're throttled thereafter till the next billing cycle, but I don't hear anybody (including myself) got hit yet.
You can tether, just use it sparingly. It's not your home internet replacement.
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When I went into the store an got my HD2 at launch, The sales rep and I were talking about tethering...he said that he tethers all the time on his rooted Nexus and now on his demo HD2 that he was given. He said that he has never run into a problem and has never heard of any customers having an issue with billing. He said that he uses anywhere up to 3-4gigs a month and personally I have never even come close to that. As the quoted poster put it "It's not your home internet replacement" so don't use it as such...
...he did say that they know when you do it though which is a bit concerning...and if you call customer care with a problem concerning tethering, they will not assist you.
...the first rule about tethering, you don't talk about tethering...

...the first rule about tethering, you don't talk about tethering...
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lmao!
and I gotta remember my days of 14.4kbps tethering with sprint (tarred and feathered for talking about it back then) and be dang happy with 800kbps!... its stupid FIOS in our home making me think 7mbps is subpar.

I asked Customer care and they were quite helpful. I have the legacy data plan for all windows mobile phones. The plan is 19.99, but is grandfathered into the newer data plans that are going at 34.99. Now, for my plan at least, they told me I have a 10GB bandwidth limit and can use the 3G network as well as tethering is supported. I consider myself absolutely lucky with that data plan. And from what I heard, if you hit your limit, you will be dropped off the 3G network and will run on the EDGE until your limit gets resetted.

mingkee said:
You can tether, just use it sparingly. It's not your home internet replacement.
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Man, what I wouldn't give to be those guys in Philly playing with HSPA+ right not...it could easily replace my home broadband...

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Also has anyone found a cab to add the WIFI Router to the Sense Wireless Settings menu? Thanks
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I don't know if this is what you were looking for but I attached the wifi router cab for you.

ddgarcia05 said:
I don't know if this is what you were looking for but I attached the wifi router cab for you.
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Thanks, but I was looking for the Manila Settings Tab - Wireless, where it shows the Wifi Sharing. It's probably cooked in some roms that I used in the past...

I did a search for HD2 tether, and came up with this thread. I don't see my question answered in it though, although I may have missed it, or somewhere else.
My question has nothing to do with whether T-Mobile allows it or not. I have tethered for years on T-Mo (with other phones), with no problem.
My question is simple and basic--How to tether on the HD2?
Since this thread is about USB tethering, my question here could simply be about how to USB tether, although I would also like to find out the best way to Bluetooth tether. (I read something about wi-fi tether in this thread, and have no idea what is meant by that.)
For USB tethering, I assume a driver is needed, for the computer to see the phone connected via USB as a modem. In fact, I probably have an HTC USB driver from previous HTC phones I had, like the MDA (and even the Audiovox SMT5600), but I don't know if there is a newer driver more suited for the HD2. Where does one get the USB modem driver for this phone?
For BT tethering, I think there are two ways-Dial-Up-Networking, and a newer way, I think ICS. I have only used DUN before. I think I might have read that the other way is better though. Is there a thread I missed, with a guide to BT tethering with the HD2?
Thank you for your input.

http://www.htc.com/us/support/t-mobile-hd2/help/connectivity

And it has indeed replaced my home internet. Pings suck for games, but other than that, it's completely serviceable.
The way if was explained to me by TMO folks, is you essentially have an uncapped bandwidth limit. However, once they see you hit 5gigs for the month, they will throttle you down somewhat.

As far as tethering goes, TMO is probably one of the friendliest towards it in the US. Just don't call into 611 asking for support or how to tether, they wont throw you under the bus and start billing you extra, but they just don't officially support it, you might get a rep in a good mood and willing to help though
I've been tethering for at least 6 years on TMO, started with a seirra wireless GPRS aircard then upgraded to an EDGE card. I would swap my SIM out of my phone when using the card. technically not tethering i guess, but then I got a Samsung phone that supported bluetooth and always tethered with it to my laptop and winmobile PDA

T-Mobile just stopped my phone from tethering

got a text at 12:08am saying it may be shut off and then at 12:19am they did.
thanks T-Mobile for nothing i got this phone just for that reason (hd2 leo)

If your contract states tethering is allowed then point that out to them and demand they reinstate it.
Similarly if it doesn't mention it at all, or doesn't say they can withdraw unlisted services.
If it states it is not allowed then go sit on the naughty step you bad boy. Then call them and sign up for their tethering tarrif which other members in your position have mentioned.

I know I have unlimited with them and have tethered a good bit. I even had a rep say something to the effect " wow looks like you use your data plan !" and no other word was said. Usually when you get those texts it's because you haven't paid the bill.
Not saying you haven't payed it but you might want to make sure they see it as up to date. You may have exceeded your plans limit? You might want to check into that.

I have not checked my T&C, but am pretty sure that with T-Mobile in the UK, using your data connection for tethering is an extra cost and is thus not allowed on the normal data connction. I have a friend (what do you mean imaginary?) who uses their phone as their main connection to the internet for their computer for the last 4+ years and T-Mobile haven't written to her.

Curious, how can they stop tethering? This is a legit question from the technical side of things. I was under the impression that tethering is a local phone function which ports data to and from the attached computer. Other than your service provider noting data usage, how can they determine what you have attached to your phone?
Experienced XDA Guru's, please enlighten me!

are you sure that you are not past due?

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Curious, how can they stop tethering? This is a legit question from the technical side of things. I was under the impression that tethering is a local phone function which ports data to and from the attached computer. Other than your service provider noting data usage, how can they determine what you have attached to your phone?
Experienced XDA Guru's, please enlighten me!
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Uhmm because when you are browsing the web you are sending information about what type of system you are using. If you are browsing with your phone the information being sent and requested is for a phone's OS or mobile web site. When you are tethering you are sending and requesting information for a PC. It's that simple.

OP here
My bill is up to date and paid, have yet to call and chew them out, but I got this phone just for that reason so it should be in my agreement (no contract just bought the phone outright)
but fyi when I try to tether with either the usb or wifi it comes up with a page on my browser(on my comp) of a t-mobile website saying that its no supported and to call for a the +$14.99

heres a pic of it

QazQaz3 said:
OP here
My bill is up to date and paid, have yet to call and chew them out, but I got this phone just for that reason so it should be in my agreement (no contract just bought the phone outright)
but fyi when I try to tether with either the usb or wifi it comes up with a page on my browser(on my comp) of a t-mobile website saying that its no supported and to call for a the +$14.99
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so are you using a stock rom? I am very curious as to weather they are only picking up the usage data from stock roms or custom roms as well.
Thanks,
Jeff

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so are you using a stock rom? I am very curious as to weather they are only picking up the usage data from stock roms or custom roms as well.
Thanks,
Jeff
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does not matter what rom you use as they can analyze the data packets sent along from the phone via packet sniffing. As noted above your browers sends all sorts of information such as OS and browser in use
see more here
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/pki/psm/help_21/privacy_help.html#privacy_visit

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so are you using a stock rom? I am very curious as to weather they are only picking up the usage data from stock roms or custom roms as well.
Thanks,
Jeff
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yeah, stock but a few cabs on top (cookies and similar)
called T-Mobile and all they said was that they have "never" supported tethering but yet when asked then why was it on my phone when i bought it they quickly changed the subject.

2. Protective Measures
To provide a good experience for the majority of our customers and minimize capacity issues and degradation in network performance, we may take measures including temporarily reducing data throughput for a subset of customers who use a disproportionate amount of bandwidth; if your total usage exceeds 5GB (amount is subject to change; please periodically check T-Mobile.com for updates) during a billing cycle, we may reduce your data speed for the remainder of that billing cycle. We may also suspend, terminate, or restrict your data session, Plan, or service if you use your Data Plan in a manner that interferes with other customers’ service, our ability to allocate network capacity among customers, or that otherwise may degrade service quality for other customers.
http://www.t-mobile.com/Templates/Popup.aspx?PAsset=Pln_Lst_DataPlan

Try changing the apn to internet2.voicestream.com
Some users from the vibrant section seem to get it working again

The internet2 apn does work, but is not as good as the epc apn in terms of quality. Speed is fine. I keep getting time outs and all my IM programs go haywire sometimes. wap apn is affected. Have not tried the internet3 apn (vpn)

I'm on Energy ROM and decided to try turning off my LAN and turn on USB Tethering from my HD2 just to see what would happen (TMOUS), working fine as usual, no problems and no errors. Streaming Jim Rome, checking my email, and posting this reply all tethered.
Maybe try flashing NRG and see what happens?

Maybe t-mobile did this manually maybe you kept tethering and passing 3gb led them to believe your tethering. I use alot of data on my phone and I only gotten close to 2.5gb max so maybe their checking people who are using more than certain amount of data to get them to pay for the tethering plan but who knows I'm just wondering.

[Q] Little data roaming despite disabled

I have now for the second time the problem that I have many little data roaming connections while abroad, despite data roaming is deactivated in Android. They are so small (always exactly 30 kB, which seems to be the smallest quantity my provider is billing) that it's virtually impossible to produce them with normal traffic. I always have much larger data connections, even without using my phone (at least 100kB up to 1MB and even more if I use it, of course). In this case I had 9 of those connections while little more than 24h. Last time when I had this problem half a year ago, I had those connections for an entire week with the same frequency (~10 per day).
In both incidents there was an OTA update available for the Nexus 4. This time I received the update notification at some point during my stay abroad. I had wifi connection most of the time, so I assume the update was downloaded using the wifi connection (the roaming traffic is too small for the update by far). I did not install the update until I returned back home. Last time my phone wasn't able to download the OTA update, since I had a custom rom installed at that time. It is possible that it tried downloading the OTA update for the entire stay back then (and even before and after - I noticed increased traffic over normal mobile internet at home). I switched back to the stock rom a while ago and thus was now able again to receive official OTA updates.
This time I was staying for 8 days in Chile, last time was around one week of Italy. My provider is Orange Switzerland.
What can be the cause of this? I am absolutely certain that data roaming was disabled in Android both times. Could it be that Android somehow bypasses the disabled roaming when checking for OTA updates? But it would have to do it when already knowing there is an update, so what's the point of doing this? Or could it be a provider initiated connection to notify the phone of the update? What can I do to prevent this from happening in future?
Thanks for any input!
Martin

Are you disabling mobile data and roaming or just roaming?
You could also try deleting or changing your default apn to prevent this from happening.
When I travel outside of Canada, I do not incurr any roaming charges when I turn off mobile data and roaming,

Thanks for the reply. I just disabled data roaming. I am abroad quite a lot, apart from these two incidents I never had any unexpected roaming charges. It must be somehow connected to the OTA update.
I will try disabling mobile data next time, maybe also disabling updates. But I also would like to understand how this can happen. Would it actually be possible that my provider initiates data connections to push the update notification? On the other hand my phone doesn't make those connections all the time, so it cannot just be the regular checking for updates. If it just received the notification via wifi, it would have downloaded the update via wifi immediately. So there must be some kind of mechanism I do not understand.
I also noticed that some of those roaming data connections occurred during the night, when I actually had wifi in the hotel for sure. This doesn't make any sense to me at all...

I don't want to take a chance so I disable all data connections, including roaming, as well as sync, software and app updates, and anything else I can think of that might try to access the data network.

Disabling sync etc. is not an option, since I want to use it via wifi. Besides, this must be either a bug in the Android update mechanism (which is persistent over some versions apparently) or my provider is doing something stupid. In the first case I would like to inform the devs, in the second case I won't pay for the data roaming, since I wouldn't be responsible for it.
Any ideas how to find out which one is true? Is here by chance anyone who either
a) has received a bill with many very small data roaming connections despite roaming was disabled while an OTA update was rolled out, or
b) was on the contrary abroad while the OTA update was rolled out and received the update notification via wifi, and has not seen any such roaming connections on the bill?
Thank you very much!

Wow, I can't even imagine worrying about overages and roaming charges... T-Mobile FTW!
Which custom ROM are you running? If it's not stock, there shouldn't be anything that has to do with an OTA, unless that functionality is not removed for some odd reason. Does the data usage utility show any useful information?
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korockinout13 said:
Which custom ROM are you running?
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I am on stock right now. During the first incident I ran some stock ROM, but I no longer remember which one. The data usage shows me Android OS would have transferred a 15.65 KB.
Edit: T-Mobile has no roaming charges if you are outside the US?

Have the same problem. Just one week ago I was on holiday. They also charged me twice for a 30 KB connection on different days (Orange Swizerland). I first thought it's maybe because I installed a custom rom but it also happened to my brother whose phone is 100% stock.
Did you found a solution?
Regards

Interesting. So it is an Orange problem after all...
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Did you found a solution?
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Not really. I now disabled the OTA update service (using the disable service app), so this cannot happen any more (I believe). Also I will switch to another provider at the end of this month, so if Orange is doing something strange, I will no longer be affected.

Same thing happened to me this month on my Nexus 6P on android 7.1
It used between 0.00mb and 0.04 mb (according to my data usage logs from the telephone company) (Telus)
Any other person figured out how this could happen and what's the solution?

had this last month. On Oreo 8.1 Stock + root Essential Phone (see here for details) https://forum.xda-developers.com/essential-phone/help/data-roaming-charges-despite-disabled-t3796715
Anybody has an idea?