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WTF is an SPL?!

LOL I have this:
SAPPHIRE PVT 32B SHIP S-ON G
HBOOT-1.33.0006 (SAPP30000)
CPLD-10
Radio-2.22.19.261
May 27 2009, 19:06:41
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I think it's a perfected SPL but who knows.. Satan?
I want to update my lame ass SPL to one of these bad boys:
Haykuro's "Death" SPL
OR
Magic SPL HBOOT Collection
From these Awesome Website and Also Awesome, I've narrowed down the steps to Victory!
Here's what my Brain thinks:
1.) Download an SPL (i.e Haykuro's "Death" SPL).
2.) Transfer to SD Card.
3.) Go into Recovery Mode (Amon_Ra-v1.5.2G)
4.) Scroll down to "Flash zip from sdcard".
5.) Flash Haykuro's "Death" SPL.
6.) Reboot system now and wait for it to enter Recovery Mode again.
8.) Check for new SPL, and you're done?
My Q's:
1.) Are my steps horribly wrong and could possibly brick my phone?
2.) No wiping required?
3.) If it gets stuck on Formatting CACHE for a long long long time..what to do?

your rooted
SAPPHIRE PVT 32B SHIP S-ON G
so i doubt you can get to recovery

sitimber said:
your rooted
SAPPHIRE PVT 32B SHIP S-ON G
so i doubt you can get to recovery
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Yes, I know I'm rooted. I just want to update my spl to the latest. And I can definitely get to recovery mode, was just flashing a couple of roms earlier.
Give me some help, bro!

i am also confused. I have a mytouch 3g with a "perfect" (1.33.0006)SPL... what does that mean? what cant I do with this SPL that I can do with a danger SPL? I already have CM Recovery 1.4 + latest Cyanogen Mod rom...

Man, if you don't know what an SPL is, then you're "so 2000 and late." Haha sorry, I had to man

k but instead of sounding smart cause you know something us people who are late dont... how bout explaining?

kareeem said:
Man, if you don't know what an SPL is, then you're "so 2000 and late." Haha sorry, I had to man
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Hahahaha and that beat goes zoooom zoooom zooom
kareeem stop making jokes help us out, LOL
What's your current SPL, and how did you install it?

melterx12 said:
k but instead of sounding smart cause you know something us people who are late dont... how bout explaining?
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I only said that line because it was the only one i could find that fit with the lyrics I don't even have an Android device so there's your answer.

this is so frustrating ive googled this for almost an hour and I still cant find anything that explains exactly what a non perfect SPL does and how to go about flashing it and which one to flash!

melterx12 said:
this is so frustrating ive googled this for almost an hour and I still cant find anything that explains exactly what a non perfect SPL does and how to go about flashing it and which one to flash!
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Haha yeah same here bro.
Hope someone can enlighten us about how they upgraded their spl.

All I know is that its short for "splash image" and has something to do with the boot up process. My dad is a programer (during a coversation about android and linux) explained the SPL to me during Fourth of July but I was a little too drunk to care and pay attention.

well actually SPL stands for Second Program Loader. That much i know for sure. I also know that its the equivalent of a bootloader. what i DONT know and neither does anyone else by the looks of it (lol), is what the difference is between a perfect SPL and a Danger SPL, and how to go about flashing a danger SPL for mytouch 3g? and which danger SPL is the best?

BoomBoomPOW said:
LOL I have this:
I think it's a perfected SPL but who knows.. Satan?
I want to update my lame ass SPL to one of these bad boys:
Haykuro's "Death" SPL
OR
Magic SPL HBOOT Collection
From these Awesome Website and Also Awesome, I've narrowed down the steps to Victory!
Here's what my Brain thinks:
1.) Download an SPL (i.e Haykuro's "Death" SPL).
2.) Transfer to SD Card.
3.) Go into Recovery Mode (Amon_Ra-v1.5.2G)
4.) Scroll down to "Flash zip from sdcard".
5.) Flash Haykuro's "Death" SPL.
6.) Reboot system now and wait for it to enter Recovery Mode again.
8.) Check for new SPL, and you're done?
My Q's:
1.) Are my steps horribly wrong and could possibly brick my phone?
2.) No wiping required?
3.) If it gets stuck on Formatting CACHE for a long long long time..what to do?
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Some people can be d!cks in this forum. Your steps are right from all that I know. Changing your SPL is an at your own risk sort of venture, though. Haven't even had the balls to do it myself yet. But, first, do try to use the search function in these forums. Pretty new myself but have good luck finding the resources I need through search. Lastly, here are a couple of links that have helped my in regard to SPL research. The first is more general and worth reading through the comments. The second one specifically relates to you...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=548218
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=570659&highlight=hboot
Good Luck. Hope it helps.

melterx12 said:
this is so frustrating ive googled this for almost an hour and I still cant find anything that explains exactly what a non perfect SPL does
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your google-fu is weak old man!!
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Sapphire_Hacking#sec01
"Perfect" SPL Revisions (that prevent us hacking)
Currently HBOOT-1.33.0006 and HBOOT-1.33.0010 are the known 'Perfect SPL' revisions on the Sapphire handsets that we know of.
It is not possible to fastboot a ROM using these and you need to wait until someone has hacked it.
Edit (12 Aug 2009) : Now you can! Refer to How-To - Fix that perfected SPL - Root the T-Mobile myTouch 3G
So what is an SPL anyway? What does it do?
The SPL, or Second Program Loader, is essentially the Android bootloader. It's job is more than just loading the Android OS - it also offers several other boot options, including Recovery mode, Fastboot, and HBOOT modes, and ultimately it's the SPL that allows manipulation of the flash nand on your device. Part of the SPL's job is to ensure that the data flashed to the device is correct. Most of the current shipping SPLs (apart from the "Perfect SPL's) let us flash a complete ROM image, but don't let us flash a recovery rom or boot image as it checks the verification signature. Haykuro has modified the SPL's available to remove this check and this is what the Engineering SPL's available offer. As the SPL is so crucial to the handset though, you have to be very careful when flashing it as if it's updated incorrectly then you may be incapable of restoring it without specialised hardware and knowledge. You essentially have a very expensive brick
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looktall said:
your google-fu is weak old man!!
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Off topic, but thanks for posting. I wish more people were this patience and helpful. Kudos. Especially on the comedy inoffensive flame.

ive already seen that article, but it still does not explain what i want to know. I already know what an SPL does, but what does a Danger SPL do that my perfect SPL cant. is it worth flashing my SPL? which one should i flash and how? I cant find answers to these questions.

ok ive just foudn a bit of info saying that a danger SPL allows you to flash hero ROMS onto your mytouch.. but WTF??? Ive already flashed 2 different Hero ROMS onto my mytouch with no problems and I have a Perfect SPL. the only reason i didnt keep em was cause the device was slow! So wtf is going on with my phone? what am I missing here rofl

The "Danger" (or "Death") SPL is Haykuro's 1.33.2005 and there is only one. It changed the nand partitions sizes (or sth like that) on the G1 and that was why it is required to run Hero ROMs on it. It's not required to run Hero ROMs on the Magic though. What you're talking about are "Engineering" SPLs and the main difference with stock SPL is that, AFAIK, they bypass security checks to allow the flashing of unsigned update packages. Also, I think only Engineering and non-perfected SPLs allow the use of the fastboot protocol, the possibility to flash recovery images directly and the use of Nandroid to make backups.
To me it's all about unlocking everything but I could have lived with my stock non-perfected SPL as I could already do everything I wanted.
Signature checking is not necessary a bad thing. Perfected SPL is a different story as it really reduces you possibilities but I know there are workarounds.

swissp said:
The "Danger" (or "Death") SPL is Haykuro's 1.33.2005 and there is only one. It changed the nand partitions sizes (or sth like that) on the G1 and that was why it is required to run Hero ROMs on it. It's not required to run Hero ROMs on the Magic though. What you're talking about are "Engineering" SPLs and the main difference with stock SPL is that, AFAIK, they bypass security checks to allow the flashing of unsigned update packages. Also, I think only Engineering and non-perfected SPLs allow the use of the fastboot protocol, the possibility to flash recovery images directly and the use of Nandroid to make backups.
To me it's all about unlocking everything but I could have lived with my stock non-perfected SPL as I could already do everything I wanted.
Signature checking is not necessary a bad thing. Perfected SPL is a different story as it really reduces you possibilities but I know there are workarounds.
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Very informative. I was able to perform a Nandroid backup successfully while still on the "perfected SPL" so what's up with that? I guest I'll just stick with my perfected stock SPL for now, until I find a really great rom I want to flash but requires a non-perfected/eng spl.

BoomBoomPOW said:
Very informative. I was able to perform a Nandroid backup successfully while still on the "perfected SPL" so what's up with that? I guest I'll just stick with my perfected stock SPL for now, until I find a really great rom I want to flash but requires a non-perfected/eng spl.
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That's why I said "I think"... fortunately I've never had a perfected SPL and I can only repeat what others have been saying about it. Can you restore the backup too?
As you'd already noticed, information on the subject is quite vague but you are right anyway, the only reason to change SPL should be if the ROM you want to install requires it ;-)

Seeking advice rooting MyTouch 1.2 (HTC Magic 32a)

Hello all, thank you for this great resource and any insight you can provide.
I need some of your wisdom, as I've been banging my head against a brick wall for about two weeks now, trying to root my T-Mobile MyTouch 1.2 (HTC Magic) with the 3.5" jack.
I did a couple hours of homework and began the process, but currently am stuck at the HTC Magic splash screen on normal boot up. I cannot boot into recovery; I have tried flashing both the Amon Ra versions, H and G. I can, however, boot into hboot and fastboot menu options, so it my understanding that my phone is salvageable with the right tools and process. Unfortunately, I was given bad advice—or incorrectly followed good advice—and now all the instructions I find to restore functionality to my phone don't go smoothly.
I've spent countless hours trying proposed found threads here (mostly) and other resources, but while the solutions sound like the apply to my hardware, they fail to complete successfully.
I have created two goldcards, both appear to work, as I have been able to flash a sappimg.zip image initially, but currently trying to flash again to remedy problems hangs and requires me to pull the battery. It usually hangs at the initial unzipping or at updating radio_v2. Via fastboot, I have been able to flash the stock hboot.nbo and reflash different versions. I was able to flash to the stock radio once, but have had problems trying to reflash images, trying to correct the issue.
These details have read different things at different stages in trying proposed solutions, but currently the info on fastboot menu reads:
SAPPHIRE UNKNOWN 32A SHIP S-ON H
HBOOT-1.33.0009 (SAPP31000)
CPLD-13
RADIO-6.35.10.18
At this moment, I've stopped trying to find answers on the forum because I've spent countless hours failing and more importantly, fear that if I continue applying incorrect solutions, I will irreversibly damage my phone. I hope that someone can provide some advice tailored to my situation.
Thank you for reading and for your reply. I understand that any advice I receive is at my own risk to follow.

Option one: flash the .nbo file for te engineerings 1.33.2010 spl and thz flash the g recovery.
Option two: flash the sappimg to revert back to stock then stsrt all over again
Option three: flash the stock sappimg and stay at stock thanking jesus you didnt **** anything up.
Sent from my HTC Magic using XDA App

You did not read the mytouch 1.2 rooting guide correctly. This phone can only run stock spl and radio. Read the guide at the unlockr. After using the goldcard you should have flashed stock spl and radio using fastboot.

NetrixTardis said:
You did not read the mytouch 1.2 rooting guide correctly. This phone can only run stock spl and radio. Read the guide at the unlockr. After using the goldcard you should have flashed stock spl and radio using fastboot.
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I tried the files and process indicated on Unlockr several times. The files and process located here: theunlockr.com/2010/03/11/how-to-root-the-mytouch-1-2-and-fender-mytouch/
Attempting again, just now, I run into the same roadblock as reported in my initial post: Immediately after clicking the action button to execute the update, the process hangs at 'Unzipping' on step [1] SYSTEM, where the progress bar never moves, and pulling the battery is the only thing that works (unfortunately, since I'm warned not to power off the device!).

knny1491 said:
Option one: flash the .nbo file for te engineerings 1.33.2010 spl and thz flash the g recovery.
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Thank you so much for your response.
Attempting option 1, I get the following messaging in the terminal while trying to flash the hboot.img (not nb0, is this wrong?) downloaded from the 'Magic SPL HBOOT collection' thread located here: forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=529019
sending 'hboot' (512 KB)... OKAY
writing 'hboot'... INFOsignature checking...
FAILED (remote: signature verify fail)
In the previous reply to another helpful commenter I describe another error I get while attempting to update the sappimg provided by Unlockr.
Further insight is very much appreciated.

so this is the second time I'm seeing this exact problem... this is keeping me from rooting this mytouch. but last time i saw this problem I believe it was solved.. i can't remember where i saw it though! I'll look and look until i find it then i'll post it here!
but in the mean time you can try unrooting it until the problem is solved?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=665814

lbsk8addict said:
last time i saw this problem I believe it was solved.. i can't remember where i saw it though! I'll look and look until i find it then i'll post it here!
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Thank you! I hope that you do.
lbsk8addict said:
but in the mean time you can try unrooting it until the problem is solved?
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=665814
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I've visited that thread before in my days of lurking, but didn't attempt it (I don't think—I've tried so many things, it's hard to remember fully at this point).
I think all I have right now are goldcards. I hope a stock SD card isn't needed, or I'll have to figure out how to restore a Kingston microSD or buy another.
Thanks again for all of your input.

lbsk8addict said:
but in the mean time you can try unrooting it until the problem is solved?
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=665814
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Follow up, attempting to update to MT3G 1.2 Sappimg (BUILD# 2.10.531.4) downloaded via that link, I encounter the second error documented in my initial post, the update process hangs at updating step [2] RADIO_V2. The red progress bar stops at about 95%. Pulling the battery out is the only way to escape.
I think, and this is just a gut-level guess, that my problem stems from a corrupt radio version. Any one have an opinion or advice about that?
After pulling the battery and booting back into fastboot, my versioning reads as follows:
SAPPHIRE PVT 32A SHIP S-ON G
HBOOT-1.33.0013 (SAPP31000)
CPLD-13
RADIO 6.35.10.18

You have a 32a radio with a 32b spl, during the root process you are supposed to be able to revert that. What we need to do is get you onto an eng spl so you can fastboot erase radio, fastboot flash radio, then flash the correct hboot aka the stock one. Right now you cant fastboot or anything aka you are semi bricked. Only thing i can say is let it sit o the charger for as long as possible for the sappimg update and pray lots n lots.
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knny1491 said:
You have a 32a radio with a 32b spl, during the root process you are supposed to be able to revert that.
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Thank you so much for the follow up. I wish the news were better!
How can you tell that I have a 32b SPL? By the errors I'm experiencing? The SAPP310000? Just guesses here. I don't see that on my phone so, I'm curious to learn.
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What we need to do is get you onto an eng spl so you can fastboot erase radio, fastboot flash radio, then flash the correct hboot aka the stock one. Right now you cant fastboot or anything aka you are semi bricked. Only thing i can say is let it sit o the charger for as long as possible for the sappimg update and pray lots n lots.
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Are you advising my to sit on my hands, keeping my phone charged, until, hopefully, the development community comes up with a new sappimg solution? Or are you saying to preform the 1.33.2010 engineering SPL update until success or my phone dies?

I was stating to do the update where it freezes or hangs on the radio and let it sit for a crazy amount of time with praers, the spl version is defing by the numbers i the 1.33.0013 etc area, 32a users have 1.76.xxxx sp numbers while 32b users have 1.33.xxxx and after looking i see you are on the stouch 1.2 spl which is why fastbooting anything will not work. Quick question though did you try flashing te spl and radio BEFORE the recovery?
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knny1491 said:
I was stating to do the update where it freezes or hangs on the radio and let it sit for a crazy amount of time with praers, the spl version is defing by the numbers i the 1.33.0013 etc area, 32a users have 1.76.xxxx sp numbers while 32b users have 1.33.xxxx and after looking i see you are on the stouch 1.2 spl which is why fastbooting anything will not work.
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Thank you for the reply. Good to know, as I was under the impression that all T-Mobile MyTouch 1.2 phones were 32A, and 1.33.0013 was the desired and appropriate version for 32A.
knny1491 said:
Quick question though did you try flashing te spl and radio BEFORE the recovery
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I initially tried followed the procedure here: http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php/Full_Update_Guide_-_Fender/1.2
Where, I updated the SAPPIMG via goldcard, then through fastboot, I flashed the radio, hboot, and recovery. But, I wasn't able to boot to recovery after that process, for whatever reason, so I began trying other procedures from other sources, which in all likelihood took me further away from the solution instead of closer.
If the current attempt of updating radio_v2 until success or power battery dies (which has been hung for about 30 minutes so far) does not end successfully, should I try flashing a different hboot or radio? Or any other suggestions?
Thanks again for your continued help. I'm going to try to get some more attention to this thread to hopefully get more possible solutions.

If the radio doesnt flash then we have to question why the recovery didnt load, the g version is the correct version given there is only one spl for us 1.2 users and it is a google spl. That is why you flash radio then spl then recovery in that order so nothing messes up. The thing is you have to flash a radio before spl, yet you hav the spl yet NOT THE RADIO which leaves me to believe you accidentalky did the spl first n not the radio first.
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knny1491 said:
If the radio doesnt flash then we have to question why the recovery didnt load, the g version is the correct version given there is only one spl for us 1.2 users and it is a google spl. That is why you flash radio then spl then recovery in that order so nothing messes up. The thing is you have to flash a radio before spl, yet you hav the spl yet NOT THE RADIO which leaves me to believe you accidentalky did the spl first n not the radio first.
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Okay, thanks so much for the continued insight.
I think, I flashed the radio down to original, but encountered some problem, misdiagnosed it, and flashed it back up again. Now it's been about 3 weeks of messing with this phone for a couple hours a day, so, unfortunately, it's hard to remember all that I've tried. If what you're saying is true, then yes, I must have accidentally flashed the SPL before the radio. Is there a remedy for this? I've been pouring over this forum searching for "can't flash radio" (forum.xda-developers.com/search.php?searchid=39519193&pp=25&page=1) and so far I've read people claiming to have had successfully deleting their radios completely and reinstalling. Is this an option? Any other suggestions?
I will PayPal $30 to you, anyone who can give me a solution to where this phone is working and rooted. Alternatively, I live in Los Angeles, if anyone can recommend a good, knowledgeable, phone repair shop.

it's really strange why that didn't work for you.
My steps were as follows:
**make sure phone is fully charged**
pre 1) create goldcard
1) place sappimg.zip on gold card
2) boot phone with goldcard to flash using Vold down + power
3) let it reboot - should boot up to the "htc magic" logo -- for me it never loaded back up to stock 1.6, I had to pull the battery.
4) boot to fastboot using back + power
5) connect phone to PC and verified it was recognized using "fastboot devices"
6) make sure you have stock radio and spl in your Android SDK's \tools
7) performed the following:
fastboot flash radio radio.img (or whatever the filename you have for the stock radio)
fastboot flash hboot hboot.nb0 (or whatever the filename you have for the stock hboot)
fastboot flash recovery recovery.img (or whatever the filename you have for amon_ra or clockwork or cm recovery)
fastboot reboot-bootloader (to make sure that stock radio and SPL are loaded again)
8) reboot to recovery using home+power
*from this point on, you no longer need to use your goldcard
9) have new ROM .zip on root of your SD card, option flash from zip
10) ???
11) profit

NetrixTardis said:
it's really strange why that didn't work for you.
My steps were as follows:
**make sure phone is fully charged**
pre 1) create goldcard
1) place sappimg.zip on gold card
2) boot phone with goldcard to flash using Vold down + power
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Thank you for your continued feedback!
I think you've listed the standard recipe for rooting this phone. I believe you. Unfortunately, something in my phone has gone askew (certainly my error) at this point and the "standard" just isn't working now. As is, and for the past 3 weeks, the process you describe dies at step 2. It hangs while updating RADIO_v2 (at whatever position in the list of updates it is for a given SAPPIMG file). Also, attempting to flash a stock radio.img via fastboot also hangs. Both updates send just fine, but hang at updating around 95%.
I've also been getting some advice from another member, knny1491. On this page, above, you'll see he hypothesises what my error is:
knny1491 said:
If the radio doesnt flash then we have to question why the recovery didnt load, the g version is the correct version given there is only one spl for us 1.2 users and it is a google spl. That is why you flash radio then spl then recovery in that order so nothing messes up. The thing is you have to flash a radio before spl, yet you hav the spl yet NOT THE RADIO which leaves me to believe you accidentalky did the spl first n not the radio first.
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That sounds plausible that I did flash things in the wrong order. I'll accept that. I've been messing with it so much, I'm lucky it works at all. So now, and still, my question is where to go from here? Do you know anything about this radio/SPL relationship and how to remedy this current conflict, NetrixTardis?
Thanks again.

Possibly try to re download the sappimg from the mgic spl thread?

I was just thinking, if your goal at this point is to have the phone usable again regardless of root; why not try the RUU exe ? If i unserstand what it does, it should flash the phone back to stock (radio, spl, recovery,ROM etc). You'll have a phone as if you just unboxed it.
Thats if i understand what the ROM Upgrade Utility (RUU) does correctly. Someone should be able to correct me...

NetrixTardis said:
I was just thinking, if your goal at this point is to have the phone usable again regardless of root; why not try the RUU exe ? If i unserstand what it does, it should flash the phone back to stock (radio, spl, recovery,ROM etc). You'll have a phone as if you just unboxed it.
Thats if i understand what the ROM Upgrade Utility (RUU) does correctly. Someone should be able to correct me...
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Thanks for the idea! I'll do some research on that. If anyone else can give any insight into if this may help restore my phone, please chime in!
I'd like root, but anything that gets the basic utility of the phone back would be great at this point (I've been using a old razr as a replacement while mine is hosed). I think an official 2.2 update is coming out from T-Mobile soon. I can wait for that.

NetrixTardis said:
Thats if i understand what the ROM Upgrade Utility (RUU) does correctly. Someone should be able to correct me...
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If this is a good potential solution, could someone please direct me to which RUU to use? I've located the "[ROM] Official HTC Sapphire/Magic/MT3G RUU ROM Links" thread here: forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=659403
There really is a great abundance of options. I'm guessing I should go for the latest [MT3G 1.2] download which is:
36) [xda-ftp] [4shared] 2.10.531.4 T-Mobile USA DRD35
36) 2.10.531.4 1.33.0013G 2.22.23.02 N T-MOB010
I'll want a few hours or perhaps a day before attempting this process, in hopes that some helpful reader will provide his input if this is a good or bad thing to do as far as getting the phone working again.
Thanks!

spl makes me confused and insecure.

Hi I'm new here and I'm new at rooting my phone and such.
I've been reading a lot about rooting and creating goldcards and installing roms and I've Finally managed to actually root and install a rom on my phone.
now I started out from a situation were I had what I think was called a perfect spl I had the 1.33.0010 on my phone. now I have a 1.76.0008. personally I'm annoyed tried the android 2.2 and couldn't make it work then tried another one android 2.1 with UISense and it worked now I don't mind having UISense but I'd rather have 2.2 I read somewhere that changing the spl could make some roms work but haven't been able to change the spl at all. and I don't really like one of the ways I read cause it involved some thing were you erased the through fastboot.
However a friend of mine have the 1.33.0009 and we can't change that at all We have tried to may things to say by now and we have been able to put another rom on his phone.
Now my question is what advantages does it give to actually change the spl I understood it was something about which roms can be used or am I totally wrong here ?
And the second question How do I proceed if the reasons for changing the spl is overwhelming.
And preferable explained in a way that makes me comfortable with trying it. I don't like doing dangerous things if I have Any questions about how or were with it.
and please do ask if there is information I didn't give that is needed to answer my questions.
I've used some time today because I was annoyed I couldn't change my spl.
keep in mind I allready have a custom 2.1 rom with UISense in my phone.
and my information of my current spl is:
SAPPHIRE PVT 32A SHIP S-ON H
HBOOT-1.76.0008(SAPP10000)
CPLD-12
radio-6.35.08.29
and my current recovery is :
recovery-RA-hero-v1.6.2.img
so what I did was this:
Download update-hboot-1.76.2007-signed.zip, rename it to update.zip and copy to my sdcard.
Turn Off the phone.
- Restart the phone with press HOME+POWER go to recovery page.
- Choose Flash zip from sdcard option, choose “update.zip“, use trackball to select , press HOME to confirm
what am I doing wrong. =?
last I would like to apologizes if my question is a often asked question but as far as I've read now the answers often change or there are several answers on same issues and that makes me uncomfortable.

I am not sure if flashing an update.zip from recovery works for the SPL. I think the instructions are to flash from fastboot.
Have you tried flashing it in fastboot as per Cursor's post?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=605239
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=594504

From what I can read there I must say I have not tried it Since I've been warned so many places that changing the spl through fastboot have a higher risk of giving me a brick phone.
And all the places I've been through so far claims that it is posible to do through the recovery mode and much safer. however for me it so far doesn't seem to work either because I'm doing something wrong.
another thing is I don't want to do risky things when I don't completely understand what is happening.
I know that the fastboot(also called bootloader) is the most risky thing to change.
I also understand why it's so risky. I've read through a lot of post. here and other places because I wanted to be sure before I started and it did went well with one exception I have now a 2.1 android on my phone with root access. but I'd like to change the spl in to a engineering spl since I've heard it enables me to try a wider variety of roms.
have I really misunderstood those post and blogs so much that it can't be done to change the spl without useing fastboot ?
my Great place of comfort was the wiki of this site but it have been down for some time. whenever I needed to know things I mostly went there to learn them.

The only possible way to change a SPL of a phone from stock to engineering is to flash it from a recovery in form of an update.zip . The name of the actual .zip does not matter.
Fastboot flashing is the most secure, if you heard otherwise your sources were wrong.
Also fastboot, bootloader, hboot and SPL are the same thing. (fastboot and bootloader being the interface visible on the phone)
Another false thing that you heard was that an engineering SPL will allow you to use a wider variety of ROMs. That is only true for the G1 and its Danger SPL. With your current SPL you can flash and use ANY new radio ROM.
P.S where you are standing now you cannot flash anything from fastboot - your S-ON SPL disables that option.

problem is if you flash an SPL via recovery, it will often try to boot back into recovery, which can be a problem since the new spl may be incompatible with your old recovery image, for instance some SPL images will flash a new radio, etc.
if you can manage a goldcard the best way to get out of a perfected SPL is detailed here
from there you will have an engineerings spl with which you can use fastboot and flash any other spl your heart desires.

Are you kidding me? An SPL will flash another radio?
You are right about one thing - it does involve risk to flash SPL from the recovery.

I see well thanks for clearing that up for me
so from what I understand I can use any rom with my current spl ?
which would mean I don't need to flash any other spl on to it correct ?
then I don't understand why the CM6 - FroyoRedux Mod v1.2 rom doesn't work on mine.
the S-ON thing means security on but what does that exactly mean.
Does it mean that I can't do anything in fastboot ?
Because I thought that it just made it impossible to downgrade the spl ?

okay I've been reading up on the wiki site now and I think I've answered my own questions.
just to be clear ! that I havn't missunderstood anything I'm gonna make a few statemens here please correct me if I'm wrong in any of them.
1. Spl is not needed to be changed to install any android system rom's once I've got a recovery ROM like for instance Amon_RA's recovery roms.
2 As I understand the recovery rom in my phone have to be capable of running on my specific spl
I tried magic specific recovery roms and ended up with a hero specific recovery rom because it was the only one that worked.
3. Now if I want any android system roms they have to be combatible with that recovery rom or am I still missunderstanding something here ?

Exactly which recovery image did you flash? The ROM's are specific to the SPL stuff (bootloader, radio, mainboard, etc.) not the recovery.

Radios
Ok, I understand also. But it still does not clear up if the MT3G 1.2 can use any other SPL/Radio combonation. Can this be done yet with this device?

Looking at your fastboot info, you don't have the MT3G 1.2, that's the one with the 3.5mm jack. You need to find a ROM specific to your radio. If you look through the ROM bible in the Devlopment Section, there's plenty of ROM's in there that are for the 32A board and 6.35 radio.

DonJuan692006 said:
Exactly which recovery image did you flash? The ROM's are specific to the SPL stuff (bootloader, radio, mainboard, etc.) not the recovery.
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well at the moment I'm using recovery-RA-hero-v1.6.2.img because it's the only one that seems stable with my current spl.
and it seems I have some troubles with flashing a eng spl but it seems that what I understand I should just find a rom that works on my phone instead of thinking it's the spl that is a problem. I have found 2 roms that works but one is slow and the other is unstable so I'm still searching.
But I want to say thanks to everyone who have helped making me understand this just a bit more.

stock hboot (0.85.0005) ignores S-OFF?

Hi all,
today i discovered something strange and i like to get your opinion on that:
I am not able to do s-off things in fastboot even if i have s-off!
Situation:
Phone: Desire Z
HBOOT: stock 0.85.0005
FW: 1.34..
Rooted: did root, supercid and s-off via gfree and verified via gfree_verify - even hboot showes up S-OFF
ROM: GingerVillain 1.5
Recovery: ClockworkMod 3.0.0.5
Problem:
First of all, i myself have no problem, but i started experimenting after a friend semi-bricked his desire z with same setup.
I did a nandroid backup and when i boot into hboot and do a 'fastboot flash recovery recovery.img' (with my nandroid recovery.img) i always get a remote: not allowed.
Now from my point of view this should only happen if I have a S-ON and should be impossible with S-OFF ?! Even using 'fastboot oem rebootRUU' does not change anything.
The thing that concerns me about that is: If something destroys both system and recovery, your pretty much screwed + bricked because hboot is not allowed to write to something other then cache and all of this basic stuff doesn't work:
- flash recovery with CW
- flash a complete zip
- flash an other hboot
- RUU
When I rooted my phone i have read everywhere that eng-hboots are not necessary any longer. But it appears that they are the only thing that helps and you have to install them as long as you have a working ROM.
Any thoughts on that issue / can you reproduce this / are fastboot actions logged anywhere?

You need a ENG. HBoot to use fastboot commands, doesn't matter if your s-off.

yeah, i came to the same conclusion..
is there any chance to flash a eng-hboot from a bricked 0.85.0005? i did some experimentation with a goldcard, but at least remote commands didn't change in behaviour..
I think being full-bricked when something goes wrong and not having an eng-hboot already installed is not an acceptable solution for most people here

DragonTEC said:
yeah, i came to the same conclusion..
is there any chance to flash a eng-hboot from a bricked 0.85.0005?
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maybe thru a modified PC10IMG.zip
I think being full-bricked when something goes wrong and not having an eng-hboot already installed is not an acceptable solution for most people here
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My thoughts exactly, its kind of a safety if you can't boot into android.

i'm not sure if a PC10IMG.zip will help at all.. my friend tried flashing both 1.34 and 1.72 RUU ROMs as PC10IMG and this didn't change anything.. in fact, the 1.72 even didn' install the new .00008 hbott, so i thing there is some heavy write protection in the hboot making it more or less useless..
what i can imagine that works is aa gokldcard with sppimg.zip, but i haven't yet found one for the desire z..
i have the feeling that this is a huge problem because with a short research i have found at least 3 threads of people having bricked their phone exactly this way and are now stuck.. some of the experts here might pay attention to this problem and in my opinion you should also consider removing the 'a eng-hboot is not needed, don't use it' advice from the rooting section of the wiki..

So what exactly is your problem.
You destroyed recovery and system?
If yes, and you used gfree to get Super-CID just install an PC10IMG that has a version higher or equal to the main version in you misc partition. And then do the whole downgrading, rooting, flashing recovery again.
If you are not Super-CID you might need a goldcard in addition if the CID of the phone is not supported by the PC10IMG that you whant to install.
have fun Guhl
It is almost impossible to brick this phone. The only possible way might be a failed copy of the eng-hboot and this is why the warning is and stays in the wiki.
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA App

I thought so, too, but when flashing a newer original RUU using the PC10IMG.zip, the flash process runs okay, but after the restart nothing (still hangs in HTC screen, no new hboot) changes so apparently no changes are made..
So from my point of view the phone is more or less bricked.. i guess maybe some custome PC10IMG with an eng-hboot might change this, but i only found one for the G2 and wasn't able to find one for the DZ.. Thats why I thing that removing the 'UNNECESSARY' advice is justified (of course i don't want the warning advice that this can brick the phone to be removed)..

[Q] Permanent root on a 32A device with new Radio/SPL

Hey guys,
I have myself a situation here.
I have a 32A Magic device, running the 1.76.2007 ENG SPL and the latest 6.35 Radio.
Not sure about the exact version as I don't have the phone with me at the moment, but it's the last one. 19 I think.
It is running the RA Hero Recovery. Version 1.6.2.
I received the phone with a Taiwanese RUU installed and with a Perfect 1.76.0007 SPL. Followed some steps and managed to install a custom recovery and SPL/Radio.
The thing is, that the device was always S-ON. Now, I want to downgrade to the old radio because of a battery drain issue I am having all of a sudden and realize that if the Security is ON, I can't downgrade directly from FASTBOOT.
I looked all over for a way to make the S-OFF, but was unable to find a definite way of achieving this. All of the guides referred to a device which had the old radio/SPL.
I also found This guide from Cyanogenmod which seems to address the 6.35 devices, but I get a USB error when trying to install the RUU. Maybe it's because I skipped the Goldcard method?
The device has been on here for a long time and I was wondering if there wasn't an easier way to achieve the S-OFF or should I go and follow the whole Goldcard/RUU/Custom recovery/Radio/SPL method?
The problem in the Goldcard is that I don't have a card reader and I don't think that my card is good for Gold.
I've flashed numerous ROMs but all were using the new radio/SPL.
Any help would be appreciated.

Flash a different spl from recovery?

tvall said:
Flash a different spl from recovery?
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Flash a different NEW SPL or flash a different OLD SPL?
Because I think that Flashing an OLD SPL from recovery will brick my phone since I have the NEW radio.

Godzi said:
Flash a different NEW SPL or flash a different OLD SPL?
Because I think that Flashing an OLD SPL from recovery will brick my phone since I have the NEW radio.
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I was thinking a new spl. On the 32b if you have an eng spl you have s-off. It might be diffrent on 32a... wait for someone with experience with 32a devices to reply

Run this command in fastboot mode and restart into fastboot again.
Code:
fastboot oem eraseconfig

The fastboot oem eraseconfig command did the trick. 3 days of looking all over the place and it was as easy as a fastboot command. Strange thing is that I didn't see it anywhere.
Thank you. Old Radio and SPL are on there, let's hope the battery doesn't drain in 15 hours anymore.

Glad i could assist :0)