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Camera quality? Different leneses?

I have an Cingular 8525 and two of my buddies have another 8525 and a softbank X01HT. Why do my pictures suck in the dark and there's don't. They have the same good quality in the dark while my pictures come out very blurred and dark. I checked the adjustments and they were the same. Me and my friend both have the same rom on the 8525 and everything! I don't get it? Did HTC start shipping different lenses after time? Has anyone else noticed this?

benfica88 said:
I have an Cingular 8525 and two of my buddies have another 8525 and a softbank X01HT. Why do my pictures suck in the dark and there's don't. They have the same good quality in the dark while my pictures come out very blurred and dark. I checked the adjustments and they were the same. Me and my friend both have the same rom on the 8525 and everything! I don't get it? Did HTC start shipping different lenses after time? Has anyone else noticed this?
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My Tytn is not good in the dark. I doudt there is anychange in the lens but there may well be a difference in the auto light level increments. Before you ask how you could change that - I don't know. Don't even know if it's possible.
Mike

I dont believe that this is caused by lens. maybe version of Camera program is little bit different or some DLL file (but you said, it is the same). anyway you can compare it or try version from Trinity (it is here somewhere) but this version have not comfortable installation and do not support front camera and light I guess. But if your device is newer like the others, then maybe HTC used different (and perhaps cheaper) CMOS chip - I dont know, it is only speculation, but it is nothing unusually when electronic company uses cheaper components in newer pieces.

Ill try to get a picture so you guys can see the difference and what I mean. Adjusting the settings does nothing, in fact, it makes it worse for mine...

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Ill try to get a picture so you guys can see the difference and what I mean. Adjusting the settings does nothing, in fact, it makes it worse for mine...
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That would be interesting to see. It's not that we don't believe you, just that we don't think it's the lens that is different. My Tytn as I said above is very very poor at night but great for sunny day photos. I think in my older Tytn it is set too low for light exposure. It seems to adjust itself in incremental steps to the light level but in dark conditions it does not give nearly high enough a light exposure level. It is entirely possible in later/different models this hard coding has been adjusted for better results.
Mike

mikechannon said:
That would be interesting to see. It's not that we don't believe you, just that we don't think it's the lens that is different. My Tytn as I said above is very very poor at night but great for sunny day photos. I think in my older Tytn it is set too low for light exposure. It seems to adjust itself in incremental steps to the light level but in dark conditions it does not give nearly high enough a light exposure level. It is entirely possible in later/different models this hard coding has been adjusted for better results.
Mike
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Ya, I just want you guys to see it. It's not a minor difference. Mine is so bad I don't even try to take photos at night, while my buddies' has unbelievable night photos...damn htc!

benfica88 said:
Ya, I just want you guys to see it. It's not a minor difference. Mine is so bad I don't even try to take photos at night, while my buddies' has unbelievable night photos...damn htc!
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I feel your pain, I have this problem with mine (TyTN) too. It takes really bad pictures in dark areas, and most pictures look too dark and blurry even when there is a decent amount of light. I saw many cheaper phones doing a much better job. Really a shame.

My htc tytn also takes crappy night pictures. the front camera takes better ones at night. hell every other cell phone i had in the past and all of my friends phones take better night pictures.
very lame on htcs part.
is there a way to change how the camera detects light in video or still mode. the camera keeps adjusting to much during different contrast of the back ground that is being recorded
with a well lit area. i would like to sample the light of one area and lock its exposer time permanently.

Could it be software related? I mean, i've installed now Black Satin and i have the impression that the photoquality has gone down in the dark compared with the Black Dymond release. Or am i just imagining things?

follow me you could see if your camera is faulty

hi, all dear hd2 users,
In that 'Weird camera colour balance?' thread, some guys are still not convinced that their cameras have the pink problem. For me, I had also thought I am the lucky one who don't have the defect until today.
first thing to remember, do not use flash, because the strong light could make all the pics very white without pink spots;
2, take a clean white paper;
3, take several pictures of a clean white paper;
4, put them in a folder in your pc;
5, then display them in thumbnails.
you will see how obvious the pink spots in the centre are!
don't use the pictures of colourful scenes to do this experiment because they could cover the pink and easily cheat our naked eyes!
attached are some of my pics with pink spot, the bluish one is even with flash.
and one very important thing, don't forget to reply this post to tell me the results!
Cheers!

I dont have the time to do the pictures but you're definitely right, I didnt think I got it but I actually do.
Hope they get this and all the other problems fixed soon.

Its a hardware fault, you need to send your phone back, software will never fix it.

jrvenge said:
Its a hardware fault, you need to send your phone back, software will never fix it.
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no it isnt, that has been discussed, there is a long thread abtou this already. t was determined 100% to be software. I would post the existing thread but i dont feel like going to search for it Trust me, its there

Hopefully it is really software issue.

I don`t think i have the issue, but god lets hope its not.

jrvenge said:
I don`t think i have the issue, but god lets hope its not.
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i didn`t think too, i tryied that and i have something... but it is not so bad... so i`m okay

I posted on the previous thread that I do not have the problem. I've used the camera a lot of times and never seen this pink blobby-blur thing in the middle of the picture.
On the other hand, I do not spend hours taking pictures of pieces of white paper, or white walls, so I'm not fussed. As it states in the main post of this thread, "don't use the pictures of colourful scenes to do this experiment because they could cover the pink and easily cheat our naked eyes!"
That to me says you don't see this problem unless you go looking for it. Okay, the colour may be slightly off if your phone IS displaying this fault, but if you can't see it with a colour picture, who the hell cares?

johncmolyneux said:
I posted on the previous thread that I do not have the problem. I've used the camera a lot of times and never seen this pink blobby-blur thing in the middle of the picture.
On the other hand, I do not spend hours taking pictures of pieces of white paper, or white walls, so I'm not fussed. As it states in the main post of this thread, "don't use the pictures of colourful scenes to do this experiment because they could cover the pink and easily cheat our naked eyes!"
That to me says you don't see this problem unless you go looking for it. Okay, the colour may be slightly off if your phone IS displaying this fault, but if you can't see it with a colour picture, who the hell cares?
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^^^ THIS ^^^
I did the above experiment and can see the pink hue when taking pictures of a white piece of paper, but as johncmolyneux says it's not really an issue in normal use. Any camera with a small fixed lens is not going to give the best pictures and is no substitute for a dedicated digital camera with a much larger optical focus lens, especially when taking pictures close-up of a high contrast object. If HTC had fitted a larger lens with optical zoom then this camera would be a far chunkier device and not not to carry around in your pocket as a great all-round communication system.
I never intended the HD2 to replace my compact digital camera anyway, so for, me this isn't a real problem.

I think we will find that the pink tinge problem is hardware related, some digital cameras can suffer from what is called a hot spot. The problem usually only shows up when trying to take an IR photo as its something to do with too much IR light getting through to the sensor. Its possible that the lense on the HTC has a coating problem thats letting too much IR light through to the sensor. If this is the case only replacing the lense will fix it.

omneity said:
^^^ THIS ^^^
I did the above experiment and can see the pink hue when taking pictures of a white piece of paper, but as johncmolyneux says it's not really an issue in normal use. Any camera with a small fixed lens is not going to give the best pictures and is no substitute for a dedicated digital camera with a much larger optical focus lens, especially when taking pictures close-up of a high contrast object. If HTC had fitted a larger lens with optical zoom then this camera would be a far chunkier device and not not to carry around in your pocket as a great all-round communication system.
I never intended the HD2 to replace my compact digital camera anyway, so for, me this isn't a real problem.
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Well, its a big problem for me. A phone at that price, and compared to other phones, really should have a better/satisfying camera. I find it unacceptable that my old Diamond takes better pictures!
And yes, its the hardware...i just hope they will return my phone fast or simply give me a new one.

There already is a thread about this.
I suggest the two be merged if possible.

mallman said:
no it isnt, that has been discussed, there is a long thread abtou this already. t was determined 100% to be software. I would post the existing thread but i dont feel like going to search for it Trust me, its there
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HTC originally said it was a hardware issue. Then they changed their minds and said it was a rare software issue. Then they changed their minds again and said it was a common software issue and that they are working on a hotfix.
I'm not convinced, to be honest: my suspicion is that it really is a hardware issue that HTC intends to try to compensate for in software, and that they're lying about it.

omneity said:
I did the above experiment and can see the pink hue when taking pictures of a white piece of paper, but as johncmolyneux says it's not really an issue in normal use.
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I beg to differ: it's very obvious in normal use. It's MORE obvious when you take a picture of a white piece of paper, sure; but that's just a convenient way to test quickly for what is a universal problem.

Shasarak said:
I beg to differ: it's very obvious in normal use. It's MORE obvious when you take a picture of a white piece of paper, sure; but that's just a convenient way to test quickly for what is a universal problem.
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It's noticeable if you look for it, I personally didn't notice it till I read about the problem. I'm more inclined to believe it's a software fault as using flash when taking pictures I don't get the pink hue in the middle of the pics so it sounds like something to do with the light balancing algorithm as mentioned in the other thread.

TheRealBnold said:
And yes, its the hardware...i just hope they will return my phone fast or simply give me a new one.
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Know that for sure do you, Know more than the people who made the phone? NO didnt think so

sharpey said:
Know that for sure do you, Know more than the people who made the phone? NO didnt think so
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What HTC knows and what HTC publically says aren't necessarily the same thing. Initially they said it was a hardware issue, then they changed their minds. Why? Was it because it is actually a software issue, but HTC tech support gets no information from HTC head office, had to guess, guessed wrong, and was belatedly corrected? Or was it because it's really a hardware issue, tech support knew this and announced it, and head office then suppressed the information in order to protect HTC's reputation and avoid a recall, and is now telling lies? There's no way to tell, but at least one of HTC's statements must be either a mistake or a lie.

Go to the older thread

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...protect HTC's reputation and avoid a recall...
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Whatever the politics or reasons, I doubt very much that this issue would warrant a recall as it does not render the device unfit for purpose.

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Whatever the politics or reasons, I doubt very much that this issue would warrant a recall as it does not render the device unfit for purpose.
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IMO, it does.
Even if you disagree, it wouldn't require a formal recall to be extremely damaging to HTC's sales; a lot of people returning their HD's and a lot of others not buying it because of a known hardware issue would be bad enough. HTC has plenty of incentive to lie.

Are there apps that take better photos and videos than the stock Camera app?

Hi, I don't know how various settings affect the results. However, I wish to be able to take excellent photos and videos under different conditions. Are there any good apps that take better photos and videos than the stock Camera App? I am using GB. Thanks

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Or 1up
Might be dependant on hardware cause of varying quality pics
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what is wrong with pictures taken by the stock camera app? can you provide some example of a 'bad picture'?.
if you want an interface that is more DSLR like try https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.flavionet.android.camera.lite
here are some of my pics, i dont feel that they are of bad quality for a 'phone camera'.
http://www.flugbaerchen.de/lnkimg/egypt12/20120506_164915.jpg
http://www.flugbaerchen.de/lnkimg/egypt12/20120525_151334.jpg
http://www.flugbaerchen.de/lnkimg/egypt12/20120506_191654.jpg

I am happy with the stock camera.. Many features too
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Perhaps it is better to talk about this via samples.
Any suggestion on better camera settings is appreciated.
I guess I may need an app that stores a set of preset settings
for taking photos/videos under different environments. Thanks.
In photo 1, I do not know why the ceiling lights are like that.
I changed various settings but there was no improvement.
In some cases, the overall color of the room changed.
In photo 2, the room appeared to be dark but it was not.
I changed the flash to auto, on along with changing other
settings. The room still appeared to be dark.
In photo 3, again, that place was not dark. Setting the flash
to auto or on did not help.
In photo 4, everything including the room appears to be somewhat yellowish.
In reality, the wall is white and the pillows are gray.

madbird said:
what is wrong with pictures taken by the stock camera app? can you provide some example of a 'bad picture'?.
if you want an interface that is more DSLR like try https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.flavionet.android.camera.lite
here are some of my pics, i dont fell that the are of bad quality for a 'phone camera'.
http://www.flugbaerchen.de/lnkimg/egypt12/20120506_164915.jpg
http://www.flugbaerchen.de/lnkimg/egypt12/20120525_151334.jpg
http://www.flugbaerchen.de/lnkimg/egypt12/20120506_191654.jpg
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Thanks for the suggestion but I am not a professional. I don't know how various settings affect the results. By the time I have tested out various settings, things that I want to capture will have been gone.

ah now things are getting clearer . your pictures looks a little bit like something is wrong with the 'white balance' of your camera. so you can try different settings for the white balance, the default should be automatic (AWB). I'm not an photoexpert too, but maybe some one else can guide you further with this.

Thanks for pointing this out. I also tried white balance but it did not help. Perhaps I did not do it properly. Hoping somebody could provide some tips. Are the strong glares from the ceiling lights in photo 1 also caused by the white balance?

hajime_android said:
In photo 1, I do not know why the ceiling lights are like that.
I changed various settings but there was no improvement.
In some cases, the overall color of the room changed.
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This effect on the ceiling lights is due to a hardware fault, there are no settings within the phone that can correct this. You can try, like me, and use photoshop. For me, its no problem because I have used photoshop for many years, but others are not so fortunate. This fault is well documented. Samsung know about it, yet have done nothing to correct it. The only way is to send the unit back to the retailer for a new unit. I tried three or four brand new units and they were all the same.
In general. The camera has limitations because of its size and proximity to other circuitry that may introduce noise etc. Its 8megapix with a tiny lens, so as is, I feel it does a pretty good job (apart from that pink dot that is). To get better pictures, consider post processing with photoshop. If that's not an option, and quite frankly I would not recommend purchasing it just for pics from any camphone, try the GIMP, its free and does an awful lot to enhance your pics. You can find the GIMP here www.gimp.org it will run on linux, windows and the Mac
Hope that helps

So, getting something like Camera ZOOM FX won't help.

hajime_android said:
So, getting something like Camera ZOOM FX won't help.
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Nope. sorry about that.

bigstarrynight said:
This effect on the ceiling lights is due to a hardware fault, there are no settings within the phone that can correct this.
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Is there a name for this hardware fault? Does the S3 has this problem as well?

hajime_android said:
Is there a name for this hardware fault? Does the S3 has this problem as well?
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Good question. I know the S2 does, and we all know about the Galaxy Note. I can see evidence of the problem on a slashgear.com presentation, and its that presentation that stopped me from going over to the S3. However, there are plenty of youtube tests where it seems pretty good. The S3 has only just been released, so it might be a while more before any issues become apparent. I think its one where you try before you buy. Personally, I'm not touching either the S3 or the 'Note until I have proof that the issue has been resolved.
Edit. The fault is commonly known as "the pink dot"

In photo 1 was the lens clean? Might sound obvious but even the slightest bit of grease or diet can affect how sources of light spear in photos. Typically in any photo I take where I light bulb or something similar is in the picture if the lens was not completely clean I got a similar effect as in photo 1
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spfraggle said:
In photo 1 was the lens clean? Might sound obvious but even the slightest bit of grease or diet can affect how sources of light spear in photos. Typically in any photo I take where I light bulb or something similar is in the picture if the lens was not completely clean I got a similar effect as in photo 1
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Well, there must be a lot of pink dirt around. My crappy clam phone must have pink dirt repellent, because no matter how greasy the lens gets, pics from it don't have a pink dot. Neither does my DSLR when the uv filter gets filthy, or my specs come to that. Sorry, but the dirt bit on this issue is a red herring. The camera has a defect.

I use UCam. A lot of "pro" settings and also some cool. And... you can disable shutter sound.
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i think you should send the device to service/repair, because i think this is an hardware issue. i saw a lot of pictures taken by the note (not only my own device) and they are al just fine with the standard settings.

I just noticed that there is a protective film covering the back camera. Probably Samsung put it there to protect the lens. Do you think this is the cause to all of my problems? Am I supposed to remove it? For the first few days after purchase (3 weeks ago), the Note took excellent photos. As for last week and the week before that, it depends. The thin protective film has been there right from the beginning. Let's say the protective film covering the lens caused the pink dot, how do you explain why the cafe in photos 2 and 3 appeared to be dark whereas in reality, it was not. Also, photo 4 looks yellowish overall.

Hi,
Protective film would most likely create the effect on pic one. (which would be visible when a direct light source or reflection is in the frame.)
Pic two - could be a metering issue. Try changing the (cog wheel =>) metering setting and / or exposure level.
Yellowish photo is the result of incorrect "white balance". Change the white balance setting to incandescent.
I'm using both the stock ICS camera and camera zoom fx. On my previous phone the fx produced much better photos than the stock one. On my G - Note I don't see much difference.
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hajime_android said:
I just noticed that there is a protective film covering the back camera. Probably Samsung put it there to protect the lens.
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Yes you are supposed to remove it. It does say so in the instructions that came with your phone. Check the camera after you have done this.

[Q] Line in Photos

Has anyone noticed this in their camera? You take a photo in low light and a line appears near the edges of your photo (only after you've shot it). I can consistently reproduce it. I'll get mine RMA'd, but was just wondering if it was just me or do other people have it? It doesn't show up at all in more well-lit conditions.

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It seems like a software issue to me, making me think that maybe other people have the problem too. One of these shots shows lines on both ends

I just took a few quick photos with mine and I don't seem to be having that issue either. Have you tried restoring it first?

Weird, I get that too. Only in very dark conditions though. Not really bothered about it though tbh since low-light shooting is something I'm definitely avoiding with this camera.

morejaylesswar said:
I just took a few quick photos with mine and I don't seem to be having that issue either. Have you tried restoring it first?
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Nothing seems to fix it. I've called for an RMA. It's worrisome that OverTheBelow has it too. I think everyone should check. The way I've been able to reproduce it is to have the camera take a picture of a dark area (not pitch black) and make sure either the top or bottom (whilst holding it in portrait) is completely dark. So the image you capture has to have something slightly illuminated in the middle, but the edges are black.

I just tried it on another Nexus 4 and got the same results unfortunately. Is this a common issue? Has anyone else experienced it?!!

14w19 XPERIA Front Camera Issue

Hi XDA,
I just bought my Xperia Z2 yesterday and i went to the batch numbers topic and checked for Issues reported by people there. Fortunatelly i dinot have any issues but today i noticed the front camera quality was very poor. There is a Yellowish reddish tint that appears on the front camera however the back cover is fine. The picture is like thousand of small dots flicker on the screen and if i keep it very close to my face then i can notice it. If I click the Picture the picture seems to be completely fine.
Can any one of you please check and let me know if you are also facing this kind of Issue?

manu44 said:
Hi XDA,
I just bought my Xperia Z2 yesterday and i went to the batch numbers topic and checked for Issues reported by people there. Fortunatelly i dinot have any issues but today i noticed the front camera quality was very poor. There is a Yellowish reddish tint that appears on the front camera however the back cover is fine. The picture is like thousand of small dots flicker on the screen and if i keep it very close to my face then i can notice it. If I click the Picture the picture seems to be completely fine.
Can any one of you please check and let me know if you are also facing this kind of Issue?
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Same here if I use it in low light.

kabauterman said:
Same here if I use it in low light.
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I took it to the service center and they said it a problem. He asked me to come tomorrow and they would update the firmware to a latest build and hopefully issue would be resolved otherwise they would replace it for me

ok so i got the same issue but i dont know if it is firmware of the camera problem , but the pic taken out is completely fine

shockerz1z said:
ok so i got the same issue but i dont know if it is firmware of the camera problem , but the pic taken out is completely fine
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Yes the finished picture is fine but while taking the picture it has a lot of noise. I have checked it with service center guys and they have called me tomorrow to update my firmware to see if issue is resolved otherwise they would replace the phone.However, talking to few people here in XDA it seems that noise issue is there with Sony camera and if the finished picture is fine it is not much of an Issue. So, I am thinking to get the software updated to latest build and then dont take replacement and keep using it.
What is the batch number of your phone ? Mine is 14w19

manu44 said:
Yes the finished picture is fine but while taking the picture it has a lot of noise. I have checked it with service center guys and they have called me tomorrow to update my firmware to see if issue is resolved otherwise they would replace the phone.However, talking to few people here in XDA it seems that noise issue is there with Sony camera and if the finished picture is fine it is not much of an Issue. So, I am thinking to get the software updated to latest build and then dont take replacement and keep using it.
What is the batch number of your phone ? Mine is 14w19
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I would request others to please check the same and report here. I want to make sure its not only on some pieces and is their in each phone

mine is 14w18

If the saved picture comes out fine, how is this even an issue?

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If the saved picture comes out fine, how is this even an issue?
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Of course it's an issue. It alters and creates an inaccurate preview. Why should it be flawed if the front is fine?
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itsxiao said:
Of course it's an issue. It alters and creates an inaccurate preview. Why should it be flawed if the front is fine?
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Mines also this version and it also has a ton of noise. Thank god I don't take selfies.

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If the saved picture comes out fine, how is this even an issue?
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If you grab Front Camera Video it is also an issue because it uses the same Live-View as what you see on the screen.

kabauterman said:
If you grab Front Camera Video it is also an issue because it uses the same Live-View as what you see on the screen.
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Yes I agree. The video has hell lot of noise. But the picture comes out clear. I took the phone to service center and they reflashed the firmware and issue was still there. He told me he can replace the phone for me, but i refused as this is only the problem and i dont want to get a newphone which is of a different batch and has hell lot of other Issues.

Yeah, I've had this problem since I got the phone. I made a thread a couple weeks ago about it being an issue. I'm not updated to the current software, but I didn't think it would help, lol.
And it is very important to me as I'm a SnapChat whore in every meaning of the word, and, for some reason, the final image when taken in SnapChat is NOT made better as if it were taken with the Camera app.

I also have a 14w19, and I see what you mean. I don't mind so much as I don't use the front camera a whole lot (only with SnapChat, and the video quality isn't always the nest there anyway). I'm not bothered.

I'm bothered that for $700, the hardware and perhaps software in this case is so obviously flawed. I mean they really advertised the hell out of their camera prowess. But the front camera looks like the whole screen is dipped in sand.

It is clearly a software issue and I think it dosnt matter what batch you have, mine is 14W18 and in with really low light I have this issue but if there is some light left there is no problem at all and also the back camera did not have any kind of this issue in my case.

I'm sure that it's a software issue. Why else would the picture be correct after actually taking it with the built-in Camera app?

manu44 said:
today i noticed the front camera quality was very poor. There is a Yellowish reddish tint that appears on the front camera however the back cover is fine. The picture is like thousand of small dots flicker on the screen and if i keep it very close to my face then i can notice it. If I click the Picture the picture seems to be completely fine.
Can any one of you please check and let me know if you are also facing this kind of Issue?
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It's hard to tell what you mean exactly here. Are you saying the display on the screen has small dots on it or the picture it takes is not good.
is this something that comes across in a video chat or not as in the other person sees the same as well.
Can you post a screen shot so we understand better what you mean ?

One Twelve said:
It's hard to tell what you mean exactly here. Are you saying the display on the screen has small dots on it or the picture it takes is not good.
is this something that comes across in a video chat or not as in the other person sees the same as well.
Can you post a screen shot so we understand better what you mean ?
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Actually i wont be able to post a screenshot of it. I am talking about the front camera, when you start it the preview window that we see it is full of noise and it seems as if it has sand all over it. But the final picture is fine.

One Twelve said:
It's hard to tell what you mean exactly here. Are you saying the display on the screen has small dots on it or the picture it takes is not good.
is this something that comes across in a video chat or not as in the other person sees the same as well.
Can you post a screen shot so we understand better what you mean ?
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I happened to click the picture from another phone. Just see the Noise. Even if i am under light then also the noise is there but is very minimal in case if I am in complete Darkness the screen is filled with Noise.

manu44 said:
I happened to click the picture from another phone. Just see the Noise. Even if i am under light then also the noise is there but is very minimal in case if I am in complete Darkness the screen is filled with Noise.
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I have this too (and I suspect everyone does)
The front camera is quite simply not very good. The reason the captured image comes out slightly differently is most probably because it's a longer exposure (than realtime preview) and there's also some noise reduction in the post processing)