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Hello...
Sorry for my question, but I didn't find any answers to it.
The question is: What is the advantage of custom recovery? And, what advantages of custom roms?
Thanks for your attention and sorry for newbie question.
Umm custom recovery let's you flash custom ROMs on your device. Custom ROMs have many more options over stock, like 720p video recording, themes for Your status bar and icons, transparent widgets, more control ever settings and more options, etc. The list goes on and on, its endless. Custom ROMs are far better.
custom recovery is really just a GUI to make it easier to run commands you would normally have to do in a terminal or command prompt... makes flashing roms, kernels, wiping data, recalibrating your battery, ect. all much much easier...
custom roms have a lot more features built in, have some bug fixes and hacks that allow you to do things that you would not on a vanilla rom...
But is necessary a custom recovery to install a custom rom?
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I believe that the stock Recovery will only flash ROMs that have an HTC digital signature. Whereas the custom Recovery will flash whatever you want.
So if you want to put custom ROMs on your phone the first step is to put on a custom Recovery.
The #1 greatest reason is nandroid backup.
It's like an image backup of the whole phone.
So if you make a nandroid backup, and screw the phone up, or do what you want, you can restore the nandroid backup and it will be 100% exactly as it was.
Yes custom recovery best function is certainly the nand backup. You can restore your phone to any instant in time exactly as it was at that point, down to every single file.
The last question. What is the difficult to back to stock rom from a custom rom/custom recovery?
I have seen many peoples here with problems to upgrade your custom roms (custom eclair rom) to a stock froyo when it come out.
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There is no problem at all. You can flash any ROM you want in a few minutes.
Newb question, to which I have been unable to find the answer, but:
Is it possible to flash a custom recovery (which I assume must be done after unlocking the bootloader), but keep stock Android? Despite all the advantages of custom ROMs, my heartstrings are tied to OTA updates and pure stock.
My biggest reason for wanting Amon Ra's recovery is the nandroid backup as well.
Would a custom recovery/stock ROM still get OTA updates?
Samurai Drac said:
Newb question, to which I have been unable to find the answer, but:
Is it possible to flash a custom recovery (which I assume must be done after unlocking the bootloader), but keep stock Android? Despite all the advantages of custom ROMs, my heartstrings are tied to OTA updates and pure stock.
My biggest reason for wanting Amon Ra's recovery is the nandroid backup as well.
Would a custom recovery/stock ROM still get OTA updates?
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Yes you can have custom recovery but everything else stock.
And No you will not get OTA updates with custom recovery installed.
You can always just keep flashing custom recovery to do nandroid, then flash back to original recovery. Takes seconds on the PC.
From what I understood, if you were on stock 2.1 with Amon-RA recovery, you couldn't update to OTA 2.2 due to an error.
Atento said:
The last question. What is the difficult to back to stock rom from a custom rom/custom recovery?
I have seen many peoples here with problems to upgrade your custom roms (custom eclair rom) to a stock froyo when it come out.
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There is no difficulty in reverting, sinc ea custome recovery will allow you to flash anything.
BTW, you can also flash ROMs from your PC using the fastboot command line.
The main issue with reverting to stock is that unlocking the N1 bootloader voids your warranty. There is now a method of flashing a custom recovery without unlocking the bootloader. I recommend that method.
Does anyone know if its possible to flash the desire z without rooting the phone. If possible how
What are you trying to flash? If you're trying to flash a custom ROM, the ROMs themselves are rooted. So even if it were somehow possible to flash without prior root, you would still be rooted afterwards.
I am trying to flash a stock rom that was rooted but i accedently went in to recovery and it cant be rooted anymore by using visionary(+), x4root or the rage method. So i need to flash back to stock or need a way to flash a custom rom. If you have any ideas im willing to try anything
I believe flashing the stock ROM does not require root.
Also, are you S-Off? If so, you apparently don't need to be rooted to flash a custom ROM, if you are still S-off.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12379982&postcount=4
unfortunatly my phone is not s-off so i need to find another way to flash or root the device. I checkecd the thread link, But i have tryed this method.
I was wondering would the OTA update to 2.3 gingerbread be enough to reset the device to standard. So i can root the device and flash custom roms?
Thanks
I got this issue solved.
I used an original HTC ruu to flash back to stock.
This worked, And i was able to root the device and i have now been able to clock the device also
is there any method to root the nexus 7 without unlock the bootloader?
i read several posts about rooting n7, but every posts needs to unlock the bl first.
and "Flash Clockwork Mod Recovery" .
but i really don't know what the "cwm" is ! i want to use the stock nexus7 rom with rooted. is the cwm recovery will ruin something original?
could anyone solve my anxiety? thx!
You need to unlock the bootloader in order to root.
WugFresh's toolkit has a friendly interface making this extremely simple:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1766475
Follow the instructions within the toolkit to ensure drivers are correct, backup apps, unlock bootloader, root device.
After doing this your Nexus will still be identical to stock.
mythomasy said:
is there any method to root the nexus 7 without unlock the bootloader?
i read several posts about rooting n7, but every posts needs to unlock the bl first.
and "Flash Clockwork Mod Recovery" .
but i really don't know what the "cwm" is ! i want to use the stock nexus7 rom with rooted. is the cwm recovery will ruin something original?
could anyone solve my anxiety? thx!
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Yep you need to unlock your bootloader to root.
You don't actually need Clock Work Mod recovery in order to be rooted.
In fact, I believe that the Wug Fresh toolkit posted by retrobeans above allows you to root and not install CWM.
Having said that, all CWM does is replace the stock Recovery on your device. This allows you to make backups, flash new ROMs and mods etc. If you never go into it, you will not notice a difference - you will still be running your stock rooted ROM. So i wouldnt be afraid of installing it . Or you can always do it at a later date if you want.
Bootloader can always be relocked with "fastboot oem lock" anyway...
why are you concerned about unlocking, or do you just not understand fastboot?
mythomasy said:
is there any method to root the nexus 7 without unlock the bootloader?
i read several posts about rooting n7, but every posts needs to unlock the bl first.
and "Flash Clockwork Mod Recovery" .
but i really don't know what the "cwm" is ! i want to use the stock nexus7 rom with rooted. is the cwm recovery will ruin something original?
could anyone solve my anxiety? thx!
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you can use a great toolkit by wugfresh which applies root without cwm. You still need to be unlocked though
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Harry GT-S5830 said:
you can use a great toolkit by wugfresh which applies root without cwm. You still need to be unlocked though
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is there any harm of being "cwm"ed? if not , i will try the easier way of one click root.(btw, i tried the wugfresh's toolkit ,but failed to install the driver...)
CWM (clockwork mod) is just a custom recovery image, from here you can flash files to your phone, wipe data, take full system backups (or restore).
Its a handy way to do key things people require when changing or modifying roms.
If in the future you will want to do any of the above then you will require a custom recovery.
Its not (in my opinion) the best recovery for the nexus 7 though, I use the Team WIN (TWRP) recovery.
You failed to install drivers? Or maybe when you installed Wug's tool it didn't download correctly? If you go and manually install the drivers which come with the tool I don't understand how they would have failed. Not trying to sound condescending or anything so sorry if I do. But Wug's toolkit (I know it's not the only one out there) is extremely easy and efficient. I would try re-downloading and on the driver install part go to
Right Click on computer
Manage
Device Manager, Here you should see a device either not detected or says that it's incorrectly installed blah blah
Right click the device and uninstall
at the top click on "Scan for Hardware Changes" (or something along those lines)
and right click your device when it comes up and the drivers are located wherever you installed his toolkit
I hope this helped and if not then just ignore. :laugh:
mythomasy said:
is there any harm of being "cwm"ed? if not , i will try the easier way of one click root.(btw, i tried the wugfresh's toolkit ,but failed to install the driver...)
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Get the pdanet drivers, cwm is just a custom recovery, for wiping data and caches. Just has a few nice options like backing up full system data and boot.img . No real disadvantage and you can always flash back stock
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Im In Same Situation
is it possible to lock bootloader after and still have root?
Also do you still recive ota updates?
jxer4567 said:
is it possible to lock bootloader after and still have root?
Also do you still recive ota updates?
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You can lock bootloader after.
You can get OTA but you would lose root and also lose your custom recovery, and with a locked bootloader you would be unable to root again
Sent from my Jelly Nexus S
Thank you bummed a little do i still recive ota with unlocked bootloader so i can have it rooted im wanting to keep original recovery no custom recovery but unlocked bootloader will i get ota?
jxer4567 said:
Thank you bummed a little do i still recive ota with unlocked bootloader so i can have it rooted im wanting to keep original recovery no custom recovery but unlocked bootloader will i get ota?
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Yes, unlocked bootloader does not affect OTA
Sent from my Jelly Nexus S
So only if i install custom recovery i lose ota just im wary with nexus 7 alot more important than v845
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Sorry fellows, but you are wrong There IS a method to root the Nexus 7 without unlocking the bootloader.
Then you can have root without wipping your data, for instance, as happens when you unlock your BL. And with root you can unlock the BL without wipping your data too. All thanks to efrant with his awesome tutorials! It is in the Galaxy Nexus Forum, but me and some others have reported to be working on the Nexus 7 too.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1894717 -- Root without unlocking
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1731993 -- Unlock BL without wipping
Let me sum it up.
Can i root without unlocking bl? yes.
Can i unlock bl without full wipe , when i do it the first time? no.
So u install pdanet drivers(i know, i had driver problems on my old win xp company laptop), then unlock bl, root. Thats it. u dont need to install CWM(btw, I prefer TWRP).
OTA updates n recovery: As far as i know, u will receive OTA updates whether u have CWM or not, but when u click install for the update, if u have CWM/TWRP, it wont install. It will install properly only if u have stock recovery.
OTA updates n root: U will get n will be able to install updates whether or not u have root. But u will lose root if u install the update. Re rooting is esy if u already have an unlocked BL, but theres an app "voodoo ota rootkeeper", that makes a backup of your root status b4 update n then restores it after update. N its free!! Nice, huh?
Unlocking BL shindig: So u would have 2 reasons for not wanting to keep ur BL unlocked. First, if anything goes wrong(very very very unlikely, believe me I have done a lot of crap on this phone, its extremely hard to brick), u need to return it in BL locked state. Second: Security. If your phone gets stolen n ur BL is unlocked, some guy could easily flash CWM n flash a custom rom n access all your data. For both cases, I suggest a very useful technique.
1.Unlock BL.
2.Root
3.Relock BL.
4. Install app https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.segv11.bootunlocker. This app will let u unlock BL from within a rooted phone without having to wipe your whole phone. If you are confused at this point, let me explain further, in case something happens to your phone n u need 2 return, u can just return it, if BL is locked, there wont b any issues. Also, if your phone is stolen, the theif wont b able to access it without completely wiping ur phone(unless he is a xda member n knows about that app!!! lol).
Got it?
Lennyuk said:
CWM (clockwork mod) is just a custom recovery image, from here you can flash files to your phone, wipe data, take full system backups (or restore).
Its a handy way to do key things people require when changing or modifying roms.
If in the future you will want to do any of the above then you will require a custom recovery.
Its not (in my opinion) the best recovery for the nexus 7 though, I use the Team WIN (TWRP) recovery.
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I think The peeps who also agree twrp is much better than CWM is grown to the point where is the preimanant force for custom backup now. This Dev is 100% correct in my opinion also
topic.
N4 is my 2nd Android phone (my 1st is an old HTC Magic) and have never rooted a device before.
I'd like to install PA. So do I need to root it first?
Also I have already installed some apps, I'd like to do backup before factory reset. What is the easiest way for this?
Thank you
Cool_Roxas said:
topic.
N4 is my 2nd Android phone (my 1st is an old HTC Magic) and have never rooted a device before.
I'd like to install PA. So do I need to root it first?
Also I have already installed some apps, I'd like to do backup before factory reset. What is the easiest way for this?
Thank you
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Firstly Install carbon backup app (like titanium backup) from the play store to backup your app and app data. It is good because you don't need to root your device in order to backup.
However in order to root, you need to unlock the bootloader which will delete everything from your phone. After that it is easy to root your phone using the guides in the forum. I suggest you don't use toolkit if you want to learn how everything works.
Only after rooting, you can install PA.
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You don't need to root. Open boot loader, install custom recovery preferably twrp and you can install the zip files you need. Roms come rooted by default you don't need to worry about that.
i think root will make it easy to install app
molesarecoming said:
You don't need to root. Open boot loader, install custom recovery preferably twrp and you can install the zip files you need. Roms come rooted by default you don't need to worry about that.
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Thanks moles. I didn't know that you didn't need to be rooted to your roms. I guess you learn something new everyday. Btw I love your PA roms. This is my first android device and PA is the only ROM I've ever flash. Keep the good work.
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Is it possible to just root my phone?
if so how do i do it?
All the posts I have seen go into unlocking and then rooting
gjjh25 said:
Is it possible to just root my phone?
if so how do i do it?
All the posts I have seen go into unlocking and then rooting
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you will need to unlock to flash custom zip, but u can relock after
gjjh25 said:
Is it possible to just root my phone?
if so how do i do it?
All the posts I have seen go into unlocking and then rooting
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Question - why? What do you want to root your phone for if not to use the wonderful tools of root. Why do you think fully rooting your phone will harm something. Locked or unlocked bootloader is not going to affect your phone. Rooted stock rom with recovery will not make it act funny.... Sorry not putting you out there but just asking why? Feel free to ignore me if you must...
Edit: Sorry to answer your question like the post above said you can root and then lock it right back up if that is your preference
playya said:
Question - why? What do you want to root your phone for if not to use the wonderful tools of root. Why do you think fully rooting your phone will harm something. Locked or unlocked bootloader is not going to affect your phone. Rooted stock rom with recovery will not make it act funny.... Sorry not putting you out there but just asking why? Feel free to ignore me if you must...
Edit: Sorry to answer your question like the post above said you can root and then lock it right back up if that is your preference
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I have come from an HTC Desire, which I rooted and had a custom rom (Cyganonmod) on and was very happy with it.
I am still not sure of what I would gain by doing the same with my Nexus 4 ?
any advice is much appreciated.
Is this new Cyganonmod installer the best way to go?
gjjh25 said:
I have come from an HTC Desire, which I rooted and had a custom rom (Cyganonmod) on and was very happy with it.
I am still not sure of what I would gain by doing the same with my Nexus 4 ?
any advice is much appreciated.
Is this new Cyganonmod installer the best way to go?
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This phone is built for rooting and modding. You wont know what benefit you have until you either read up and see if the mods are ones you want or actually flash a rom. Sure try the CM installer but if you dont toolkits or just basic knowledge of android can get this phone roooted in minutes.
the CM rom on your HTC will give you the same benefits on your Nexus 4
playya said:
This phone is built for rooting and modding. You wont know what benefit you have until you either read up and see if the mods are ones you want or actually flash a rom. Sure try the CM installer but if you dont toolkits or just basic knowledge of android can get this phone roooted in minutes.
the CM rom on your HTC will give you the same benefits on your Nexus 4
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Thanks, what do you recommend for the easiest way to unlock and root then?
gjjh25 said:
Thanks, what do you recommend for the easiest way to unlock and root then?
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I used a toolkit but honestly you can unlock manually by just booting into bootloader mode. Go into development and try Wugs Toolkit.... Rooting the phone is easy and all methods are relatively the same.
I do not see anything wrong with giving CM a try as well
gjjh25 said:
Is it possible to just root my phone?
if so how do i do it?
All the posts I have seen go into unlocking and then rooting
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I recommend you to stick to your original plan, its your phone, do what you like, you don't need to flash custom roms if you don't want to. I am using stock kernel and stock KitKat right now and the performance is excellent.
Follow these instructions to unlock bootloader, install latest kitkat factory image, install custom TWRP recovery, and root. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2010312
The links to fastboot package and driver required is in my signature.
Link to download factory image: https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/images
Link for latest TWRP: TWRP recovery
Link for latest SuperSU package: SuperSU package
After you do all that, in bootloader menu, you can flash back the stock recovery (recovery.img), which is location in the "image-occam-******.zip" of the factory image. (fastboot flash recovery recovery.img)
Then lock your bootloader by "fastboot oem lock". You can also use BootUnlocker to lock and unlock your bootloader on the fly while in the phone, without losing your data, since everytime you do fastboot oem unlock, it will wipe the entire device.
By using stock rom, stock recovery, stock kernel and temporarily unroot (SuperSU) or hide root (SuperSU paid version), it allows you to receive future OTA updates from Google. If you want to modify your phones more while staying with stock, read up on Xposed Framework and its module Gravity Box, which is not yet compatible with Android 4.4 but will be eventually.
Just remember if you don't have custom recovery, once something goes wrong and your phone can't boot, its very hard to save the data inside. Once you have custom recovery like TWRP, you can make a backup of your stock image (which also backup your stock kernel) and try out other custom roms and easily go back to stock, then you can flash stock recovery again to receive OTA updates.
Thanks for advice everyone.
I rooted and unlocked with Wugfresh over the weekend. A lot easier than I thought it would be