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I have had the HD2 for a week now and as much as i love it, i am leaning towards returning it for the simple reason that it has windows underneath the hood.
I have had so many problems with trying to keep the data connection alive and setting up synchronisation etc - how i wish this phone had Android-like always on possibilities!
i downloaded the skyfire browser today and was blown away by its ability, but no so much when it tells me you dont have a data connection regularly!
i am sad sad sad today because when i moved my eyes from its ginormous screen to my measly ipod touch i was really unable to browse! the wifi router is brilliant too, when it works
so anyone with pearls of wisdom...convince me to stay
my biggest gripe is that out the box, i have to fiddle around with it so much just to get it to do what every consumer would like it to do - for example the missing task manager, pinch to zoom options etc
if HTC were going to make a phone of this calibre, i wish they didnt feel the need to gag it with winmo
help?
Your first impression is mostly the right one. If you like android more, return your phone ASAP as you've bought a windows phone. Misstakes happen !
lucid said:
Your first impression is mostly the right one. If you like android more, return your phone ASAP as you've bought a windows phone. Misstakes happen !
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I agree with lucid. Sounds like this simply isn't the phone for you.
Since there is task manager and pinch to zoom abilities available, it's not winmo that's gagging the phone, but HTC.
Just want you to make sure your gripes are directed at the correct place.
I have zero issues with my data connection.
I am so tired of everyone wising the Leo had shipped with Android instead of Windows Mobile. I was bored this morning and reading the rather negative reviews of the HD2 on Gizmodo and Engadget, and every other comment on those reviews is about how people love the HD2 but wish it had Android. Well, it doesn't.
I understand you actually have experienced problems with your phone, as opposed to those others who seemingly were hoping by some fluke the HD2 would come out with Android instead of WM as advertised. But then you tell us to convince you to stay with the HD2... if you really have a problem then ask for a solution. If the data issue really annoys you then why would you want someone to convince you to stay with something that doesn't serve its intended purpose for you?
I'm guessing many people bought the HD2 on a whim upon seeing the impressive spec sheet, without ever stopping to think that it ships with Windows Mobile and whether they even liked the platform. Were you one of them? Because you can just look for a solution to your data connection loss problem, instead of trying to get us to list for you the reasons why you should stay with the HD2/WM. The pros and cons of the platform are a just a Google search away.
Edit: Also, you want better pinch to zoom support, eh? Then make sure you stay away from the current latest and greatest Android handset - the mighty and revered Motorola Droid. Yeah, it has no pinch to zoom even though it has the hardware for it. See, HTC aren't so evil afterall.
Personally I think the HD2 is awesome, I know its been annoying with so many problems but there is always a fix. I haven't had any problems with the data connection or sync.
I know HTC should be the ones to sort this out instead of us, however everytime I try a new tweak it sorta makes the phone new to me again.
BSB tweaks is amazing btw, I think it should sort out everything you need, pinch to zoom and screen rotate as well as camera tweak and screen sensitivity all in one application.
Im still on the .143 Rom and theres a .201 (or whatever) rom coming out.
Its getting better and better.
I am waiting to see what the google phone has to offer but the HD2 should be able to hold its own especially since wm7 is coming out...whenever that is.
If you are really hating the HD2 then return it and get an android, winmo isnt that bad. Definite improvement if you remember the older models.
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Edit: Also, you want better pinch to zoom support, eh? Then make sure you stay away from the current latest and greatest Android handset - the mighty and revered Motorola Droid. Yeah, it has no pinch to zoom even though it has the hardware for it. See, HTC aren't so evil afterall.
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Haha true, I heard the new nexus one doesn't have pinch to zoom either. Actually saying that, they may add it in since it hasn't been released yet.
Everyone bangs-on about Android but has anyone actually lived with an Android device for say a year? No. Who knows what issues and annoyances the platform holds. If it takes off as it appears it will, with everyman and his dog seemingly wanting it, no doubt I will be trying it myself on a handset in the future but right now Win Mo holds no problems for me. The HD2 itself does, but that's for another thread.
First try to be patient and see if you can make the phone work the way you like with the all tweaks around. Have you tried BSB tweaks? most of them are there. For task manager I recommend Showcase, a great solution.
Yeah, there maybe lot's of little issues but most of them can be remedied. If you got it working right, make a full backup with something like spb backup so that everytime something goes wrong and you have to hard reset, you can have everything back in a minute.
And ofcourse better roms will surely come and htc is trying to improve the HD2. Many of the bugs are fixed in the 1.61 rom, have you tried it? not to mention we're so close to custom roms now.
I don't know how familiar you are with windows mobile. If it's your first winmo device, know that one major advantage of winmo over other OSs is that you can tweak and change a lot of things, so there's always hope for better tweaks and better software.
Lastly, if you have tried all I said and there's absolutely no way you can cope with this device, well, I guess it's just not the right device for you.
thank you to everyone that has replied
point taken about leaping without thinking, and yes i guess most issues are resolved by installing tweaks and updates - like u say wotsreallygood, its always getting better and it really is - only today i saw how brilliant it is with flash sites, after installing skyfire browser.
i guess the reason i said convince me to stay is because i want to see light at the end of the tunnel: though there might never be a stable usable android platform on the HD2 i would like to think that most of the creases with the current OS can be ironed out substantially!
and winmo6.5 is a drastic improvement from previous versions - i used to work with old winmo from the times of mda compact III - slowwwwwwwwww in a word
i totally rate HTC as a good phone manufacturer, and i would never buy a motorola even if it had diamonds for keys lol
comments appreciated though, a lot of food for thought!
mightymn said:
First try to be patient and see if you can make the phone work the way you like with the all tweaks around. Have you tried BSB tweaks? most of them are there. For task manager I recommend Showcase, a great solution.
Yeah, there maybe lot's of little issues but most of them can be remedied. If you got it working right, make a full backup with something like spb backup so that everytime something goes wrong and you have to hard reset, you can have everything back in a minute.
And ofcourse better roms will surely come and htc is trying to improve the HD2. Many of the bugs are fixed in the 1.61 rom, have you tried it? not to mention we're so close to custom roms now.
I don't know how familiar you are with windows mobile. If it's your first winmo device, know that one major advantage of winmo over other OSs is that you can tweak and change a lot of things, so there's always hope for better tweaks and better software.
Lastly, if you have tried all I said and there's absolutely no way you can cope with this device, well, I guess it's just not the right device for you.
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hi mightmn - thanks - yeah i tried the 1.61 and it seemed to make the device a little unstable for me, so i used the goldcard method and now am using 1.48 - i am yet to install bsb tweaks - i finally managed to work out how to keep my contacts synced but i think that was a problem with my outlook (version 2010 beta apparently this is a known issue and ms will not be supporting winmo sync or something like that?)
i am about to install the BSB tweaks, i think i will keep the phone and worse case scenario for me is that if i do get tired of constantly tweaking and tweaking i shall just sell it lol
And ty for advising on using spb backup, i shall search for that now and keep a regular back up thats very sound advice
Immyl,,
Keep going if you can with all the hints and tweaks on here plus BSB Tweaks. However if you are not getting on with the device then cut your losses and go with something else instead.
I managed to get a 2nd play on the HD2 today and it certainly looked impressive. I have yet to use one on a daily basis so maybe once Father Xmas has been and I get to use one on a daily basis I might well take a hammer to it!
Xperia X10 perhaps?
WB
wacky.banana said:
Immyl,,
Keep going if you can with all the hints and tweaks on here plus BSB Tweaks. However if you are not getting on with the device then cut your losses and go with something else instead.
I managed to get a 2nd play on the HD2 today and it certainly looked impressive. I have yet to use one on a daily basis so maybe once Father Xmas has been and I get to use one on a daily basis I might well take a hammer to it!
Xperia X10 perhaps?
WB
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yeh wacky banana i was thinking about whether to wait for the X10 but being on tmobileuk and having worked for them i know more than likely we will be waiting til august to get it even if it launches in march! i am sticking with it and if all else fails there is always ebay...
oh btw one thing that does sway me is being able to connect my ipod to the wifi router ha that is quite a lot of fun
The winmo OS itself is so massive compare to newborns like Android and iOS, that's why it takes time to get around and even more time to get yourself situated in a comfortable position (even if it means countless tweakings). With every tweak and fix, you're suddenly opening up yourself to a whole different level of usability, way more expansive than the other aforementioned OSes. As a child, you start out with tricycles then graduate to a bicycles and at last, automobiles. Each one of those stages has their conveniences and it takes time to ease into them.
If you think it's so hard to handle the OS (or HTC for that matter), take a look at the themes and applications forum and see the countless of people in there happily using their phone through personal customization and tweakings. You can't tell me that all those additions are easily accessible with other OSes (it's possible, but arduous). What I'm trying to say is that, it's a challenge when face with obstacles, but with the help of XDA, the light at the end of the tunnel is just a few clicks away.
With that said, if you still think winmo is the root of all evil and is too complex for you to even maintain data connection (though that sounds more like a service provider problem than the phone itself), feel free to return it and get whatever phone you want.
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The winmo OS itself is so massive compare to newborns like Android and iOS, that's why it takes time to get around and even more time to get yourself situated in a comfortable position (even if it means countless tweakings). With every tweak and fix, you're suddenly opening up yourself to a whole different level of usability, way more expansive than the other aforementioned OSes. As a child, you start out with tricycles then graduate to a bicycles and at last, automobiles. Each one of those stages has their conveniences and it takes time to ease into them.
If you think it's so hard to handle the OS (or HTC for that matter), take a look at the themes and applications forum and see the countless of people in there happily using their phone through personal customization and tweakings. You can't tell me that all those additions are easily accessible with other OSes (it's possible, but arduous). What I'm trying to say is that, it's a challenge when face with obstacles, but with the help of XDA, the light at the end of the tunnel is just a few clicks away.
With that said, if you still think winmo is the root of all evil and is too complex for you to even maintain data connection (though that sounds more like a service provider problem than the phone itself), feel free to return it and get whatever phone you want.
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ty lude219
i think in hindsight i do agree, winmo is a lot easier to manipulate than other OS's - and even though its not always ideal, you cannot deny how powerful it is with quite a wide compatibility list
i am sticking with it for now and shall see where it goes, especially since i here there is a new ROM due soon
You could wait for the HTC Bravo.
BUT
- it maybe won't have multitouch at all, or lagging multitouch like the Hero
- it will lack a bunch of features that you get with Windows Mobile
So what you should do is: Instead of just complaining about shortcomings of the HD2, think about whether other devices would really make it better, or maybe have even more shortcomings - then decide what to do.
I also sometimes get annoyed with the HD2, but then I think of all its advantages over other devices like Android ones ot the iPhone, and in the end I always come to the conclusion that, though the HD2 is not perfect, it definitely is the one that comes closest to perfect for me, so it's the right choice - for me, at least.
The title of this thread is maybe not the right thing to put lol
Nooone needs to convince you to stay mate, if you wanted peoples opinions then thats one thing but if you arent getting on with it and would rather have a different phone or different operating system then thats totally your call and I hope you find whatever combination makes you happy.
Theres plenty of threads stating what people hate and like about the phone and how to tweak the phone and make it perform better so have a read around and then you can decide what you want to do.
Good luck
Stay
I am humbled by the moderate and patient tone of the replies in this thread.
My first instinct is to flame an attitude of 'convince me to stay'.
As it has been eloquently put, winmo is a feature not a drawback.
Too many people seem to have been caught in the crossfire of Giz-shmodo & Enfadget anti-winmo diatribe.
The way I find solutions to any problem is to STAY.
On winmo there are always many ways to skin a cat.
It would be a pity to be on a platform where there is not the possibility to solve problems other than to complain, which rarely works.
I have been using Winmo for many years and the following are my personal opinions so please don't flame me. Truth be told, were it not for the talented developers, chefs, XDA & forum users (XDA & others), I would have moved on a long time ago.
The bigggest problem, imho,is that MS focussed on developing the Winmo OS, handing it over to the Handest maker for a few dollars and thereby "hoped" that the software & hardware would function as a unified solution.
The second issue has been that MS lagged in improving the OS and providing a viable marketing platform to developers. Their are tons of applications available for Winmo, however until recently their did not exist a single unified place to browse, purchase, review and simply install them. As a result Winmo was and to a great degree still is seeing by some as a business OS, one that was driven by how well (or not) it integrated with MS Outlook / Exchange, included office etc. MS has always traded on this perception
As a result of the above, we saw the rise of blackberrys & iphones. Both companies focussed on a single soultion where hardware and software were manufactured as a single unit. Both also focussed on specific solution points, BB on easy, secure access to email / apps and Apple with their product packaging & appstore /itunes integration.
So I ask myself why did I not take the plunge and move to either of these 2 platforms. Simple:
I like the choice I have with Winmo. I can flash Roms, try different radios, install apps from all over, play with the registry etc etc etc.
The HD2 is the first Winmo phone I have had that I can live with as is for the next 2 years. yes it has some issues, however none of them are a real deal breaker.
Until then, I wait patiently for cmonex /olipro and the rest of the team to complete SSPL and for our talented chefs and developers to give us the tools to enjoy our devices that little bit more! So if I were you I would be patient, look beyond the niggles and STAY.
Until Winmo 7 is released and then the fun really begins.
A parting shot here
A great forum, learned a lot, some very clever and helpful people here ( and some prima donnas)..but what I found out is while using a Windows device I was spending countless hours updating Roms, making stupid pointless cosmetic changes to my HD2 (usually resulting in making UI more ugly and messy - some theme designers here seem to have been on crack when creating themes - others very good), when in reality I was craving for a good selection of valuable everyday apps that are logical and simple to use.
Enter Android...Since buying a Motorola Milestone I am now using the phone only when I need - as opposed to constantly tampering, I have downloaded all apps I need, layout looks good off the shelf - a simple wallpaper change is enough, finger friendly, good hardware and away I go.
Looking back I don't understand why I got a WM device and really don't know why you guys are sticking to this dinosaur.
Over and out.
Isn't that fun?
Making slight changes to your phone WHEN you feel like it?
If that's what you're using the Android for, why not get an iPhone?
And btw, I like dinosaurs.
What is a phone supposed to be used for - to analyse the Hadron Collider?
Haha. that's funny.
But back on topic, you say what is a phone supposed to be used for? isn't it for communicating with others? via Phone calls, SMS, MMS, e-mail, social networking sites, forums on the internet, etc?
This phone does it all well, and excel in some areas like internet.
So, what.
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Isn't that fun?
Making slight changes to your phone WHEN you feel like it?
If that's what you're using the Android for, why not get an iPhone?
And btw, I like dinosaurs.
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me like dinos too.
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Haha. that's funny.
But back on topic, you say what is a phone supposed to be used for? isn't it for communicating with others? via Phone calls, SMS, MMS, e-mail, social networking sites, forums on the internet, etc?
This phone does it all well, and excel in some areas like internet.
So, what.
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Just saying, try Android you will not regret it.
This REALLY is the last post .
I had G1 when it first came out, and recently-ish had Droid Eris.
They were ok, in my opinion.
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A parting shot here
A great forum, learned a lot, some very clever and helpful people here ( and some prima donnas)..but what I found out is while using a Windows device I was spending countless hours updating Roms, making stupid pointless cosmetic changes to my HD2 (usually resulting in making UI more ugly and messy - some theme designers here seem to have been on crack when creating themes - others very good), when in reality I was craving for a good selection of valuable everyday apps that are logical and simple to use.
Enter Android...Since buying a Motorola Milestone I am now using the phone only when I need - as opposed to constantly tampering, I have downloaded all apps I need, layout looks good off the shelf - a simple wallpaper change is enough, finger friendly, good hardware and away I go.
Looking back I don't understand why I got a WM device and really don't know why you guys are sticking to this dinosaur.
Over and out.
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It's called the HTC Bravo aka Desire and it too is coming to T-Mobile soon.
android is definitely better for a day to day phone. ive only had the hd2 2 days and ive already switched back to my nexus. the hd2 is a beutiful device but wm 6.5 is definitely its worst attribute.
1. you spent a lot of time updating the phone
2. you wasted your own time doing cosmetic changes
therefore
3. the HD2 is a dinosaur.
not a very cogent argument now is it.
I dont play with my phones layout, theme nor small cosmetic changes. I only update the rom from Duttys, so once every 3 weeks or so that takes 20 minutes of my time to do so.
Shoo, and go play with your motorola.
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A parting shot here
A great forum, learned a lot, some very clever and helpful people here ( and some prima donnas)..but what I found out is while using a Windows device I was spending countless hours updating Roms, making stupid pointless cosmetic changes to my HD2 (usually resulting in making UI more ugly and messy - some theme designers here seem to have been on crack when creating themes - others very good), when in reality I was craving for a good selection of valuable everyday apps that are logical and simple to use.
Enter Android...Since buying a Motorola Milestone I am now using the phone only when I need - as opposed to constantly tampering, I have downloaded all apps I need, layout looks good off the shelf - a simple wallpaper change is enough, finger friendly, good hardware and away I go.
Looking back I don't understand why I got a WM device and really don't know why you guys are sticking to this dinosaur.
Over and out.
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I have to agree about wasting time with WM 6.5 and with WPS 7 coming out, WM 6.5 is a dinosaur; but It's about self control.
I have a small dog, she's healthy because I don't over feed her, while I'm overweight because I can't control what I eat, but I don't wish to be her in order to be healthy, instead I try to better my self control.
So no, I prefer not to eliminate my ability to choose by getting other phone like iPhone. This is my first custom ROM and I hope to exercise my self control
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A parting shot here
A great forum, learned a lot, some very clever and helpful people here ( and some prima donnas)..but what I found out is while using a Windows device I was spending countless hours updating Roms, making stupid pointless cosmetic changes to my HD2 (usually resulting in making UI more ugly and messy - some theme designers here seem to have been on crack when creating themes - others very good), when in reality I was craving for a good selection of valuable everyday apps that are logical and simple to use.
Enter Android...Since buying a Motorola Milestone I am now using the phone only when I need - as opposed to constantly tampering, I have downloaded all apps I need, layout looks good off the shelf - a simple wallpaper change is enough, finger friendly, good hardware and away I go.
Looking back I don't understand why I got a WM device and really don't know why you guys are sticking to this dinosaur.
Over and out.
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I'm really happy with my WM 6.x device. I tweaked just few essential things and I use my phone when I need it.
Anyway, I'll test Android on my HD2 when someone will port it. That's all...
In reality, you can flash an Android device every day if you really wanted to.
In terms of our Sense/WM devices, if you go by 'official releases' or forget official, lets talk 'big jumps', you'd be flashing maybe roughly three to four times in a year. Once a quarter! (1.4x, 1.6x, 2.1x, Sense 2.5.20x)
It is our -own- choice to jump at every incremental update (OH BOY 23545 IS OUT, GOTTA GET THAT!!!) and we reap the benefits AND suffer the consequences of using this non-final code.
There are plenty of people still running 1.66, their next update? Whenever 2.10 comes out! (Or whenever their carrier decides to screw them with an interim update - think I saw a 1.72GER floating around )
So you tweaked a lot of stuff on your UI and that made you give up on it.
Ok.
My HD2 does not need intensive cosmetic tweaking to the UI. Spooky!
Maybe you're just obsessive compulsive...just saying.
Not one freeze in one month of heavy usage (meaning it runs stuff I half bake...I mean compile and execute on it) and some initial tweaks with Cookie's mod and control panel made it look peachy (btw you folks rock).
As for the process of jumping from premisses to a logic conclusion, even Android can't fix that. So good luck using it. Just don't go declaring something to be an extinct life form when all you have to go on with is: "I tweak and flash a lot". That is more telling of how much you are unable to appreciate and use something then of the intrinsic value and quality of the object you judge.
I'm actually interested in going to WM from Android.
Android doesn't support the things I want to do. Mainly video/audio codec support for most files.
got my Desire on pre order. I love the big screen of the HD2 but ive come to the conclusion that im something, of an app fan. I dont want to move back to an iPhone and Android is something I have experience with.
For me Android offers MORE potential for customization, and by customization I don't mean making the home screen look a bit different but real CORE app functionality. I'm a big texter and on Android I recall a number of SMS apps that one can REPLACE the built-in messaging client with - Chomp, SMS Popup, Handcent...to name a few. These apps offer the facility to quick reply from within any app via a popup window, and also to initiate a text message whilst in, say, Google Maps...and they all have a different look to them.
The only app I can think of that has any similarity to this on Windows Mobile is made by Vito, is ugly as sin, and offers very little other than a clunky looking popup.
This is just one facet of a number of other things I have found Windows Mobile to be deficient in since moving back to it from Android. Just simple things like Twitter clients and IM applications - even from the SAME companies - look, feel and work ten times better on Android.
The fact that the HTC Desire will be receiving support for 720p DivX and video recording sells it to me. I'm positive the younger OS will take advantage of the Snapdragon processor a lot better than WinMo, considering how much more stable the Hero was than our HD2s, despite its sluggish processor.
I'm going to be sad to leave the Windows Mobile world to a degree - I will also be sad that I have no chance of getting more than £300 for my pristine unlocked HD2 despite paying £499 only a few months ago, but fortunately my contract with T-mobile expires on the 5th of April.
The second hand price drop is a lot more severe than I've seen for most other devices and perhaps tells just how much faith people have in the devices future.
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In reality, you can flash an Android device every day if you really wanted to.
In terms of our Sense/WM devices, if you go by 'official releases' or forget official, lets talk 'big jumps', you'd be flashing maybe roughly three to four times in a year. Once a quarter! (1.4x, 1.6x, 2.1x, Sense 2.5.20x)
It is our -own- choice to jump at every incremental update (OH BOY 23545 IS OUT, GOTTA GET THAT!!!) and we reap the benefits AND suffer the consequences of using this non-final code.
There are plenty of people still running 1.66, their next update? Whenever 2.10 comes out! (Or whenever their carrier decides to screw them with an interim update - think I saw a 1.72GER floating around )
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Agree 100%. Oh, and I am one of the plenty on 1.66
I have been doing quite some tweaking on my HD2 since I got it just before XMas. Most of the times I did it just for the pleasure of playing around with the thing rather with a real usability or aesthetics objective.
When I bought the HD2 knowing that I could "get my hands dirty" was one of the (secondary) point in my decision making.
Most of us people here like to play around with our devices. The problem is if we get carried away (like with many other things in life).
And when one gets carried away - often one of the most effective solutions is quitting altogether. No shame in that (on the contrary - I believe it's a very responsible decision!!).
Those who do not get carried away, let's keep in mind that we *could* - so let us not criticize those who quit.
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Agree 100%. Oh, and I am one of the plenty on 1.66
I have been doing quite some tweaking on my HD2 since I got it just before XMas. Most of the times I did it just for the pleasure of playing around with the thing rather with a real usability or aesthetics objective.
When I bought the HD2 knowing that I could "get my hands dirty" was one of the (secondary) point in my decision making.
Most of us people here like to play around with our devices. The problem is if we get carried away (like with many other things in life).
And when one gets carried away - often one of the most effective solutions is quitting altogether. No shame in that (on the contrary - I believe it's a very responsible decision!!).
Those who do not get carried away, let's keep in mind that we *could* - so let us not criticize those who quit.
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This is XDA DEVELOPERS FORUM, after all!!
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lol.
"I tweaked my phone and now it's ugly, so I got a different one"
Troll++
Well I have tried Android numerous times, and personally, I hate it. It's so ugly that it looks like some china-low budget crap. In the HD2 with it's amazing Sense, I get all that I need for everyday use in a way that I prefer - and the Sense UI is stunning beautiful.
i really wanted to like this phone since it came out last year but it really had let me down at every corner. everything is a project and most nothing works like it should. ive flashed roms installed various cab to help but windows mobile is just a piece of ****. i came from a phone that worked 99.9% of the time to a phone that i have to mod and then have to reboot 3 times a day to work 60% of the time if im lucky. i click on youtube.... takes forever even on wifi. i daytrade and there is not one single winmo app that can compare to the iphone app that i have for stocks....and looked for days. i use opera mobile and this ***** locks up. i use skyfire and it wont play the videos (why the **** not)that i need especially law and order. my suppose non flash iphone can play them.. sorry for any misspelling(its the keyboard)i have to battle with. now if i only can remember where i left it......my iphone that is.
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i really wanted to like this phone since it came out last year but it really had let me down at every corner. everything is a project and most nothing works like it should. ive flashed roms installed various cab to help but windows mobile is just a piece of ****. i came from a phone that worked 99.9% of the time to a phone that i have to mod and then have to reboot 3 times a day to work 60% of the time if im lucky. i click on youtube.... takes forever even on wifi. i daytrade and there is not one single winmo app that can compare to the iphone app that i have for stocks....and looked for days. i use opera mobile and this ***** locks up. i use skyfire and it wont play the videos (why the **** not)that i need especially law and order. my suppose non flash iphone can play them.. sorry for any misspelling(its the keyboard)i have to battle with. now if i only can remember where i left it......my iphone that is.
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painful but true wm6.5 is a piece of sh*t & and being the os of hd2 is a big waste of its power & (hd2+wm6.5 ) is a big waste of money
i agree. Almost did the same mistake. I would advise you to get a phone with android OS. Sorry mate!!!
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You guys shouldn't get an HD2 at the first place! Windows Mobile is for users that know what they are doing and like to optimize and customize the OS.
If you like the iPhone just get one! Please don't start discussions here that lead to nowhere!
What do you expect to hear from the community here?
I had 2 iPhones, one Palm Pre and many many Windows Mobile devices. I am an IT Pro and I know my way as regards to mobile OSes...
Having said that, I love my HD2 and I find it a great phone for everybody that wants to have a great communications device, watch movies, play music and do all kinds of stuff but games!
If you are looking a device that "just works", then Steve Jobs is waiting for you and your money...
petvas said:
You guys shouldn't get an HD2 at the first place! Windows Mobile is for users that know what they are doing and like to optimize and customize the OS.
If you like the iPhone just get one! Please don't start discussions here that lead to nowhere!
What do you expect to hear from the community here?
I had 2 iPhones, one Palm Pre and many many Windows Mobile devices. I am an IT Pro and I know my way as regards to mobile OSes...
Having said that, I love my HD2 and I find it a great phone for everybody that wants to have a great communications device, watch movies, play music and do all kinds of stuff but games!
If you are looking a device that "just works", then Steve Jobs is waiting for you and your money...
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HD2 is a brillant phone ... if u know how to use it well.
ive also had a iphone, palm pre... i total agree with petvas post
In my opinion I think that the HD2 is an amazing phone with so much potential. I have spent countless hours trying different ROMs and RADIOs and tweaking everything. Right now I am on Energy with the GTX Theme and I am LOVING it.
The one deal breaker for me though is that my phone has the Internet Dropout problem which many people around the forum have. If it wasn't for this I would love my phone to bits. But right now it's completely unusable.
T-Mobile stock ROM is a living nightmare, ridden with bugs, and unfortunately the average user would not know about HSPLing their device just to get a working phone.
Because I am completely unable to use the Internet on my phone without having to re-connect every 2 minutes, I am getting the HTC Desire, absolutely free! This is because I have reported this to T-Mobile and have tried everything to resolve it but it just doesn't work. I am just waiting for T-Mobile to get stock of the Desire and it will then be sent to me within 2 days. Hope this helps!
The complainers just fail at life and don't know how to follow simple flashing instructions. Maybe next time you guys will research how use phone and how to perform the hacks before you sink your money into it. WM is for people that near limitless access to their phone and OS.
ok listen, ive had various wm phones over the years and i consider myself a pro since ive had considerable time with wm. the problem i have is that it looks like no matter the hardware wm just wont play nice and it cannot be this way. Im tired of people saying that wm is for people that know what there are doing however if their phone were running tip top they never share the secret. why should i need a billion different cabs to speed this thing up when it supposedly has the top of theline processor. why the frequent lockups, why do i have to run cleanram every other minute. i never had these problems so fequently on prior versions of wm. also everybody says "i had an iphone". i had a 3g and that was a piece of **** too, the 3gs is the only one that counts in my book.... so unless you had a 3gs i dont wanna hear it. my hd2 should be wiping my 3gs all over the floor and its so not.
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The complainers just fail at life and don't know how to follow simple flashing instructions. Maybe next time you guys will research how use phone and how to perform the hacks before you sink your money into it. WM is for people that near limitless access to their phone and OS.
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I'm not one of the ones complaining about the HD2 as I even posted above how much I enjoy it.
But I am getting tired of everyone using << it's only for smart people >> as an excuse for a phone that doesn't work out of the box.
At the end of the day, no matter what you do to your phone, the speed and stability come down to the hardware and the OS. The hardware of the device is brilliant but WM simply can not take advantage of it.
I'm sure you're extremely clever and that you can tweak the OS inside out. However my argument is that you SHOULDN'T have to tweak and modify everything simply to get a phone to work.
Let's face it, the joys of the HD2 are ROM flashing, the big screen, and that's about it.
Am I the only once that sees something wrong with an iPhone 3GS being able to work flawlessly all the time, no bugs, no errors, no lockups, very fast response with a 600MHz processor while my HD2 with 1GHz can't load 50 texts in less than 10 seconds? The hardware is definitely not to blame, so Windows Mobile fans, what is?
I agree with everything OP said, but thank goodness I have my iPhone still, jailbroke on Tmobile so whenever the HD2 fustrates me I take out my sim and drop it in my iPhone. My main problems are lag, slowdown, lock ups, resets etc. This is a brillant phone but I can't help to think HTC rushed this and Microsoft isn't gonna do anything else with 6.5 because 7 is around the corner :/
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The complainers just fail at life and don't know how to follow simple flashing instructions. Maybe next time you guys will research how use phone and how to perform the hacks before you sink your money into it. WM is for people that near limitless access to their phone and OS.
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A jailbroken iPhone > a near limitless WM phone
People act like us iPhone users don't know how to use, hack a phone, lol, GTFOOH.
fastwanabe said:
i really wanted to like this phone since it came out last year but it really had let me down at every corner.
Hyperbole! EVERY corner? Does it not make calls properly?
everything is a project and most nothing works like it should.
You've just had a bad experience. Everything works perfectly for me and I would class myself as a heavy user of most apps.
Ive flashed roms installed various cab to help but windows mobile is just a piece of ****.
WM6.5 is like a woman. You have to know what to do with it, and when you do...damn it's good. iPhone OS is like one of these internet women, can be pretty but won't satisfy you in the long run.
I came from a phone that worked 99.9% of the time to a phone that i have to mod and then have to reboot 3 times a day to work 60% of the time if im lucky.
When I had a iPhone 3G I had wifi connection issues, blank screens and ended jailbreaking it so that I could have any reasonable degree of control over the device. With the HD2, I have none of the above (or the ones you talk about for that matter). Youtube is instantaneous for me on either Wifi or 3G. I ended up flashing mine so that I could have WM6.5.X with the larger buttons at the bottom of the screen.
i click on youtube.... takes forever even on wifi. i daytrade and there is not one single winmo app that can compare to the iphone app that i have for stocks....and looked for days. i use opera mobile and this ***** locks up. i use skyfire and it wont play the videos (why the **** not)that i need especially law and order. my suppose non flash iphone can play them.. sorry for any misspelling(its the keyboard)i have to battle with. now if i only can remember where i left it......my iphone that is.
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As someone said before, iPhone is for people who like simplicity and WM for people who like functionality. For me, if I wanted simplicity I would buy a Nokia 3310 not a phone that sells itself on apps (or lining S.Jobs pockets).
i've read bout all the problems the hd2 had when many ppl first bought it right after release. but honestly right now, my hd2 barely has any problems. it doesnt hang on me n i can multi task n everythin pretty smoothly, im using Dutty's ROM and it works great. nice n fast, and still stable.
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I'm not one of the ones complaining about the HD2 as I even posted above how much I enjoy it.
But I am getting tired of everyone using (it's only for smart people) as an excuse for a phone that doesn't work out of the box.
At the end of the day, no matter what you do to your phone, the speed and stability come down to the hardware and the OS. The hardware of the device is brilliant but WM simply can not take advantage of it.
I'm sure you're extremely clever and that you can tweak the OS inside out. However my argument is that you SHOULDN'T have to tweak and modify everything simply to get a phone to work.
Let's face it, the joys of the HD2 are ROM flashing, the big screen, and that's about it.
Am I the only once that sees something wrong with an iPhone 3GS being able to work flawlessly all the time, no bugs, no errors, no lockups, very fast response with a 600MHz processor while my HD2 with 1GHz can't load 50 texts in less than 10 seconds? The hardware is not to blame, so Windows Mobile fans, what is to blame? because it's definitely not the hardware...
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You are completely right.
And for the proof is - I use an HD2 with official ROM, with a few apps to make the interface have some more of the calendar on the home page.
I just used the settings interface to personalize it's behavior to my liking.
(The only thing that might be considered as "Tweak" thet I did - was some registry settings for power save)
So - the bottom line is -
The HD2 works just fine OutOfTheBox.
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So - the bottom line is -
The HD2 works just fine OutOfTheBox.
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Not true.
Are you calling us liars? Like we like to complain about a phone we payed over $400 for? Just because you haven't experienced problems doesn't mean the phone ****s diamonds. Obviously you are the minority because day after day there are new threads with numerous complaints about the phones issues.
So do us a favor, stay out of these threads or better yet, trade me phones, I would love to have your problem free, OutOfTheBox working HD2.
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Not true.
Are you calling us liars? Like we like to complain about a phone we payed over $400 for? Just because you haven't experienced problems doesn't mean the phone ****s diamonds. Obviously you are the minority because day after day there are new threads with numerous complaints about the phones issues.
So do us a favor, stay out of these threads or better yet, trade me phones, I would love to have your problem free, OutOfTheBox working HD2.
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As to what I can see - you are the one calling names here.
I would love to have a 1GB ROM device with a lot more RAM.
If you could make it work on the European network,
Im all for trading devices.
Mine works fine "OutOfTheBox"
I came from an iPhone 3Gs and have been pleasantly surprised....Is the hardware better than the iPhone 3Gs, yes. Is the OS tied as tightly to the hardware, no. Could it be, I guess we will see with Windows Phone 7 and Microsoft's requirement and enforcement of a standard reference platform on the manufacturer's. In the interim, I have C00kie's and BsB installed with no further mods. Is it perfect? For me, it's good. I may flash to another ROM for kicks sometime in the future but why fix what isn't broken? I can do every thing on this TMO HTC HD2 that I could do on my iPhone 3Gs and to top it of TMO's coverage, in my area is pretty good.
All in all, I'm pretty happy with the ability to mod when I want. Others may want their phone to work like a 'fridge...and there's a phone for that.
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I came from an iPhone 3Gs and have been pleasantly surprised....Is the hardware better than the iPhone 3Gs, yes. Is the OS tied as tightly to the hardware, no. Could it be, I guess we will see with Windows Phone 7 and Microsoft's requirement and enforcement of a standard reference platform on the manufacturer's. In the interim, I have C00kie's and BsB installed with no further mods. Is it perfect? For me, it's good. I may flash to another ROM for kicks sometime in the future but why fix what isn't broken? I can do every thing on this TMO HTC HD2 that I could do on my iPhone 3Gs and to top it of TMO's coverage, in my area is pretty good.
All in all, I'm pretty happy with the ability to mod when I want. Others may want their phone to work like a 'fridge...and there's a phone for that.
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I have had my HD2 since it first came out in November, it can take time to actually put how bad the phone is into perspective.
There is no denying that Windows Mobile 6.5 is riddled with bugs, and from what i've heard (officially) support for 6.5 has gone down the drain because of WP7 development. This OS will not be available officially for the HD2 because the device does not meet the standards of the OS (three physical buttons).
Sure WP7 could get ported to the HD2 which people can hack and mess about with, and if this is in fact the case, I am left here repeating: IT DOES NOT WORK OUT OF THE BOX!!
iphone user please go back to your toy and stop complaining
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i really wanted to like this phone since it came out last year but it really had let me down at every corner. everything is a project and most nothing works like it should. ive flashed roms installed various cab to help but windows mobile is just a piece of ****. i came from a phone that worked 99.9% of the time to a phone that i have to mod and then have to reboot 3 times a day to work 60% of the time if im lucky. i click on youtube.... takes forever even on wifi. i daytrade and there is not one single winmo app that can compare to the iphone app that i have for stocks....and looked for days. i use opera mobile and this ***** locks up. i use skyfire and it wont play the videos (why the **** not)that i need especially law and order. my suppose non flash iphone can play them.. sorry for any misspelling(its the keyboard)i have to battle with. now if i only can remember where i left it......my iphone that is.
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go back to your toy and let the grown ups deal with a serious gadget like HD2.
I've had 33 different phones ranging from the basic ones to WM, Linux and iphone. The Iphone lasted a day with me. It is so limited that I had to scrap it. the HD2 I can flash everyday, mod it every day, tweak it, personalize it, supercharge it and so on. It never gets boring. Not to mention the hardware!!!
the crappy Iphone doesn't stand a chance.
so finally Iphone user stop winning and start your own forum!
wmfreak
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go back to your toy and let the grown ups deal with a serious gadget like HD2.
I've had 33 different phones ranging from the basic ones to WM, Linux and iphone. The Iphone lasted a day with me. It is so limited that I had to scrap it. the HD2 I can flash everyday, mod it every day, tweak it, personalize it, supercharge it and so on. It never gets boring. Not to mention the hardware!!!
the crappy Iphone doesn't stand a chance.
so finally Iphone user stop winning and start your own forum!
wmfreak
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I'd like to point out that I have never owned an iPhone
I am SO sick of some people saying that WM is only for smart people!
You've had 33 different phones? were they all so bad?
I'm glad you have so much fun spending all day changing ROMs and tweaking your phone, if it's so amazing then why are you tweaking it?
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, tell us these super tweaks you have applied which make your phone so amazing.
If not, then shut up, and move on, because this forum is meant to be a sharing community where people help each other.
So I recommend YOU leave this forum all together and go find one where everyone brags about how smart they are because that's all you're doing here.
It worked fine without the tweaks...
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I have had my HD2 since it first came out in November, it can take time to actually put how bad the phone is into perspective.
There is no denying that Windows Mobile 6.5 is riddled with bugs, and from what i've heard (officially) support for 6.5 has gone down the drain because of WP7 development. This OS will not be available officially for the HD2 because the device does not meet the standards of the OS (three physical buttons).
Sure WP7 could get ported to the HD2 which people can hack and mess about with, and if this is in fact the case, I am left here repeating: IT DOES NOT WORK OUT OF THE BOX!!
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Have I discovered every nuance, issue and idiosyncrasy about the HD2/Windows Mobile 6.5 combination? No. Maybe I am just not as demanding. I applied C00kies and BsB to practice tweaking. It took me a week to realize I like to tweak, so I applied them. It was not a necessity. The phone worked Out of the box for me. This is no different than jailbreaking on an iPhone or tweaking an Android OS device.
If it doesn't work for you then so be it, move on to another phone that is less challenging for you. Say what you will but the device worked fine for MY needs out of box, period.
The hd2 is probably by far one of the most perfect windows mobile phones out there, I've had soo many before it and they were rubbish in terms of performance.
but, the quirkiest problems are really destroying my joy with this phone. I can't seem to get all the apps to work with multiple languages. I can't seem to get a decent battery life when I'm travelling, now I have an extra battery and a heavy Duracell battery pack.
Great camera, yet it's still having the same problems I've had since the beginning of wm phones (slow with low light conditions) and no 720p video recording. There are no decent applications for the life of me. (I've been ruined by that from the iphone)
I hate how WM7 looks, with no skinning allowed, I'm pretty positive I don't want colored boxes to be my home screen. Also the fact that it's receiving less and less support from developers everyday, it simply isn't catching up to anyone anytime soon. (I have the feeling it's going to be delayed, because of the kin disaster)
I'm thinking I'll be selling this phone in approximately 2 months. I'll sell it here if anyone would like it.
Thinking of getting the new Galaxy S series phone, best hardware around with a mature (but not ancient) operating system.
Note: I'm currently in the middle east thats why it seems I've posted this early, it's 3:45pm over here.
ehhhhh,,,, everyone wants something different in a phone. Personally I thought the tmo roms were rubish. I loaded some custom roms and like almost all my problems went away immediately. Not sure about other languages because I'm pretty stupid and can't even speak 1 properly. Support I wouldn't worry about. Yes many people are jumping ship and going to android development but we still have some of the best guys still working with WM. Also a reason we don't have the devs staying with wm is many of the programs are final and work perfect. Why make a 28th wm music player? Android is great and all but I don't see it as great as everyone says. Yes its fast and optimized but its almost a cross between WM and iOS. After every thing I heard about android I was quite surprised when my friends got them and had them locking up and glitching as much if not more then a wimo phone. I almost bought one till my coworker bought an incredible and basically killed his battery in 2 hours listening to pandora, then had to pull the battery after he checked his tweets. I also feel once WP7 comes out it will renew interest in coding for WM. I feel we will see the same stuff we saw in vista and XP where the coders took the best features of Vista and added them to the stable XP OS. I'm hoping we will get the cool WP7 roms and they can whip out the spatula's and blenders and get to work on a frankenstien super os.
The ROMs have saved this phone, but as an Android fanatic, the apps, and ease of discovery/installation of apps has ruined me.
I've got my phone posted and I'm hunting for someone with a Nexus One thats willing to trade with me adding some cash.
I'm not giving this phone away because hardware wise HD2>>>>>>>iphone/nexus one, etc. But if I can't get Android soon I'll be dropping this phone.
But thanks for all the help guys! Its because of this phones quirky issues I discovered this site! lol
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The ROMs have saved this phone, but as an Android fanatic, the apps, and ease of discovery/installation of apps has ruined me.
I've got my phone posted and I'm hunting for someone with a Nexus One thats willing to trade with me adding some cash.
I'm not giving this phone away because hardware wise HD2>>>>>>>iphone/nexus one, etc. But if I can't get Android soon I'll be dropping this phone.
But thanks for all the help guys! Its because of this phones quirky issues I discovered this site! lol
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you know there are android roms out there for the hd2 right? granted, they BARELY WORK, but in a couple of months, we may be looking at a full blown army of HD2's running android
maxpower097 said:
ehhhhh,,,, everyone wants something different in a phone. Support I wouldn't worry about. Yes many people are jumping ship and going to android development but we still have some of the best guys still working with WM.
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I want a better phone, that's definitely what everybody wants. Not a half-a$$ed phone that goes for the same price as a phone that has god-like script that allows unlimited multitasking with no loss of battery or memory
I feel WMP7 is following the suit of the iphone, having a very limited way to customize, and having people to jailbreak it if they want the full potential of the phone, chasing update after update and looking for compatibility and cracks... that's why i left the iphone... (I had 2g but my family has a 3g and a 3gs)
I feel the android is king right now because it allows enough customization for developers to mess around with, and has great functionality out of the box without having to chase down problems.
Our family consists of 4 HD2s, and 2 iphones. I regret purchasing the hd2s since they have brought me more trouble than ever, my mother asking me about navigation while my brother and father require language packs THAT DOESN'T WORK.
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Also a reason we don't have the devs staying with wm is many of the programs are final and work perfect. Why make a 28th wm music player?
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Well, wm6.5 for example, no decent games, no decent applications MADE FOR IT SPECIFICALLY. Before, I thought backwards compatibility is a positive, I'm quickly realizing that it's the worst negative. Companies are getting lazy by creating something thats made for a wm2003 but compatible up to WM 6.5.... how is that even possible? At least upgrade the graphics for newer phones.
HTC is even embarrassed by wm6.5, they skinned everything from top to bottom.
HD2 was dead on arrival in my book, it packs a punch in hardware, yet it will be obsolete within months.
I'm sorry if I sound like I'm trying to burn anyone here, I really appreciate the work everyone has done. I donated money and time testing, commenting and helping.
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I want a better phone, that's definitely what everybody wants. Not a half-a$$ed phone that goes for the same price as a phone that has god-like script that allows unlimited multitasking with no loss of battery or memory
I feel WMP7 is following the suit of the iphone, having a very limited way to customize, and having people to jailbreak it if they want the full potential of the phone, chasing update after update and looking for compatibility and cracks... that's why i left the iphone... (I had 2g but my family has a 3g and a 3gs)
I feel the android is king right now because it allows enough customization for developers to mess around with, and has great functionality out of the box without having to chase down problems.
Our family consists of 4 HD2s, and 2 iphones. I regret purchasing the hd2s since they have brought me more trouble than ever, my mother asking me about navigation while my brother and father require language packs THAT DOESN'T WORK.
Well, wm6.5 for example, no decent games, no decent applications MADE FOR IT SPECIFICALLY. Before, I thought backwards compatibility is a positive, I'm quickly realizing that it's the worst negative. Companies are getting lazy by creating something thats made for a wm2003 but compatible up to WM 6.5.... how is that even possible? At least upgrade the graphics for newer phones.
HTC is even embarrassed by wm6.5, they skinned everything from top to bottom.
HD2 was dead on arrival in my book, it packs a punch in hardware, yet it will be obsolete within months.
I'm sorry if I sound like I'm trying to burn anyone here, I really appreciate the work everyone has done. I donated money and time testing, commenting and helping.
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Using custom ROMs, the hd2 is superior to the iphone 3gs or Droid in my experience. i have only used those two other phones to compare.
crisisinthecity said:
Using custom ROMs, the hd2 is superior to the iphone 3gs or Droid in my experience. i have only used those two other phones to compare.
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While I agree the phone is superior, the apps/ or lack of apps for this phone and its ****ty OS are going to be the death of it.
Even with the custom ROMs, I still have quirks like dropping 3G coverage, text messages coming in out of order, apps crashing, occasional restart (admittedly rare with the custom ROMs)
I have spent HOURS just to get this phone to do what it should do out of the box. And now that its finally working great, I discover it was pretty much in vain because I can't even fill cookie's home tabs with apps that I want and would use.
I think it really just comes down to WM is not as user friendly as Android or iphone. They have basically taken the computer out of the phone and made it super easy for anyone to install anything. I don't know what you guys are talking about with android phones and battery life. All the android phones I've seen running HD2 specs kill the battery in half the time of the HD2. I see it everyday at work when I'm the only one with a phone at the end of the shift. Now about your 3G issues that sounds like your carrier or location issues. I'm rock solid (H) 24/7 365. Take into account how android going to be when they get upwards of 500 phones on the market and glitches and bugs. WM runs on thousands of phones with minimal bugs. Android from what I've seen has about the same amount of bugs but with many fewer phones. iPhones do tend to be less or non glitchy because they only support 4 phones, much like their PC's. I think if you take the time to properly hook your HD2 up and learn a bit more about these new gen phones you'll be happy. You need to search out WM apps, but there are literally tons of them out there to do anything you could imagine.Most of these new inovation droid and iOS are claiming to invent have been on WM for ages. Please please please try out Kumars rom, experiment with a couple different tmo radio's for your area, and keep track of what is setting of your bugs. Usually you just need to change one program or setting and it fixes itself.
Going on like 16 days without a reboot! Yeeehaw. My tab slider does have a touch of lag though now but I'm gonnna hold out and see how long I can run it without a reboot.
One more thing, people with preformance issues have found replacing the SD card with a fast one works wonders. I haven't tried it yet but I am gonna toss a 8giger I have lying around in it to check it out.
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While I agree the phone is superior, the apps/ or lack of apps for this phone and its ****ty OS are going to be the death of it.
Even with the custom ROMs, I still have quirks like dropping 3G coverage, text messages coming in out of order, apps crashing, occasional restart (admittedly rare with the custom ROMs)
I have spent HOURS just to get this phone to do what it should do out of the box. And now that its finally working great, I discover it was pretty much in vain because I can't even fill cookie's home tabs with apps that I want and would use.
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How many apps do you want? How many apps do you need?
I have about 500 apps in my WinMo download folder and about 50 on my phone, don't use a third of them ...
Shear number of apps do not make them better .. Now I am not bashing the Android, it is a good platform, but the "Appstore" argument is so Iphone-ish.
I am not going to try and "Talk You Into", keeping your HD2 it is your phone you need a phone you can use, if the HD2 is not for you then it is not, BUT it is not a ****ty OS, that might be your opinion, but for the people that use WinMo on a daily basis and want the power of and flexibility of the WinMo OS it works great for them.
Android, simple interface, great, fast , fairly stable, locked down, big brother back door, MUST have gmail account to activate the phone, so that "Big Brother" can access your phone remotely.
WinMo, More complicated interface more like a portable PC than a Phone, customizable right down to the OS by the user, no external account needed, no "big brother" install apps you want and not have them removed, as of June 2010 Microsoft still has a 90.18 market share of PC's, so WinMo is directly compatible with 90.18% of the PC's in the market.
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How many apps do you want? How many apps do you need?
I have about 500 apps in my WinMo download folder and about 50 on my phone, don't use a third of them ...
Shear number of apps do not make them better .. Now I am not bashing the Android, it is a good platform, but the "Appstore" argument is so Iphone-ish.
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Apps like "fring", yeah we have that app... from 2005. Tt doesn't have video conferencing... that's a major feature missing.
It's as simple as that, we have the same apps, but they are outdated and lack many features that we'rent possible before.
How is the "appstore" argument so "Iphone-ish" thats the worst argument I ever heard. It's soo much more superior than what we have now.
You sound like a person that steals applications more than he buys... 500 apps, yeah and you bought them? I highly doubt you bought 5. App stores are a godsend for developers, they make a decent amount of money and it protects their investments, encouraging them to create more applications. That's why the app store is so successful. You're only complaining since you've barely bought any apps for the PC or your PPC, so you find the app store "iphone-ish" w.e that means.
I admit I'm being too harsh for no reason, and I also admit I don't usually buy them, but for decent applications I do happily purchase.
These are the only decent applications I use often, but I wish there was more, and I wish the prices were more reasonable, 30$ for an app? are you serious? The prices for the ppc applications are overblown. Spending over 100$ on applications on a phone is a little ridiculous. I haven't spent that amount on applications for my laptop.
- Handy Safe Pro (bought it twice, for different phones)
- SPB Traveller
- SPB TV
- SPB Backup (Fantastic application)
- SPB Wallet (Waste of time and money)
- Office Mobile (Hell no I didn't buy it, can't believe they actually started charging for it)
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Android, simple interface, great, fast , fairly stable, locked down, big brother back door, MUST have gmail account to activate the phone, so that "Big Brother" can access your phone remotely.
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That's another poor argument, "Big Brother" or google is already pretty much in your life. Why do you think the google advertisements are all about websites related to what you search for or websites you visited in the past.
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WinMo, More complicated interface more like a portable PC than a Phone, customizable right down to the OS by the user, no external account needed, no "big brother" install apps you want and not have them removed, as of June 2010 Microsoft still has a 90.18 market share of PC's, so WinMo is directly compatible with 90.18% of the PC's in the market.
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Has anyone complained about "google remotely removing apps" I'm sure google has other reasons why it has that capability, apple and palm have it too... and guess what? wmp7 is going to have it as well. The future is less and less private, this is something we will have to deal with, it's not some evil conspiracy.
Google is compatible with 100% of the computers since it doesn't even need one, so what are you getting at?
sell it, buy android phone
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So....
How much do you want for your crappy phone? Let me know. I might know of someone you can pwn it off on. they would love you long time.
2 months and it's theirs
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I'm pretty stupid and can't even speak 1 properly.
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I love how some people hate the HD2 and others love it. It's funny to hear people's stories, because it seems almost random, the chances of you having an HD2 that works flawlessly or doesn't work at all...
I came from the rooted G1 and I love this phone. Rooting android and flashing custom ROM's became nothing but a headache for me. My phone would never work right and every time I flashed a new ROM (with dozens of "flashed ROM, it's FLYING, fastest ever!!!" replies in the threads getting me all hyped up) phone would run smoothly for maybe a day but after that nothing but hang's, random reboots, f/c's, etc...
With my HD2, it's been the opposite: OS runs smoothly, I can pretty much do what I want (except for stable flash support in Opera, for some reason that still alludes people...none of those opera builds with flash support ran as well as stock opera and fixoperaflash is all buggy..very irritating) and I don't have to continually reboot or wipe the phone.
Yet I read people's comments that talk about how the phone is virtually a big paperweight right out of the box...go figure...
tresanus said:
sell it, buy android phone
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Well, since my stock HD2 has had none of the problems this person mentioned and has actually been a very good phone why sell it? Obviously, there is a variable here that is not common with all HD2's, so why give up so easily?
Wait till you get your new one, use the stock 2.13 and see how that goes. If you still can't stand it, then try cooked ROM, and if you still can't stomach the site of that 4.3" screen, then go ahead and sell it...
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Metallic-Force said:
I want a better phone, that's definitely what everybody wants. Not a half-a$$ed phone that goes for the same price as a phone that has god-like script that allows unlimited multitasking with no loss of battery or memory....Well, wm6.5 for example, no decent games, no decent applications MADE FOR IT SPECIFICALLY. Before, I thought backwards compatibility is a positive, I'm quickly realizing that it's the worst negative. Companies are getting lazy by creating something thats made for a wm2003 but compatible up to WM 6.5.... how is that even possible? At least upgrade the graphics for newer phones.
HTC is even embarrassed by wm6.5, they skinned everything from top to bottom.
HD2 was dead on arrival in my book, it packs a punch in hardware, yet it will be obsolete within months.
I'm sorry if I sound like I'm trying to burn anyone here, I really appreciate the work everyone has done. I donated money and time testing, commenting and helping.
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I can definitely agree with Metallic-Force on most of his arguments. Even though this phone can do just about anything and everything, and even though it can run smoothly with custom ROMS, and even though it has awesome hardware......I just still can't look past the fact that the apps for this phone looks like absolute crap. Not only are there limited apps made for the HD2 specifically, but most of the apps that we can get for this phone (via marketplace, omarket, or warez) looks like the sh*tiest graphics I've ever seen on a mobile phone. I wish HTC would skin all the apps available for this phone as well as they did for the OS. I'm not even talking about the "crazy 3d" games that rock on this phone (cause I don't care for them), I'm talking about simple apps or games like Pandora or Moorhun. Microsoft or HTC needs to invest more money into the devolopers if they have to to make this OS more appealing app-wise. That way we can all finally say how great it is to own a WM phone.
OK, done venting.
Stable Android.
See post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=729495
I don't see whee you guys are getting android phones are so bullet proof. Everyone I've seen has reset problems and lock up problems. Thats just gonna keep getting worse as they release new phone after new phone. Personally on wimo I can't live without.
1. PSX emulator,
2. Core Player,
3. Mortplayer
4. Hava Player
5. PDF reader
6. Wifi Router
7. GPS weather Radar
and lots more. When iphone or android can run a 2gb divx with AAC audio without charging $20 for an app call me. Till then its wimo.
lol... I'm going be receiving my hd2 this week, and your ditching it. It's funny, but android isn't that awesome the people make it out to be. That's why I'm going back to windows mobile ( windows phone).
Anyway, good luck.
after selling my iphone, i've had this hd2 for 3 months. i customized it as much as possible. i thought i was getting the best phone in the world - i was dead wrong. the hd2 falls WAY short of my expectations. for one, the battery is horrible - lasts 1 day with some use. on the iphone, my batt lasted 2 days with lots of use.
another issue was scrolling, like scrolling through tons of albums. the albums would have to refresh as you scrolled - very slow. on the iphone, the ablums appeared as fast as you scroll. and the menu and typing was not as responsive as the iphone.
but what clinched it for me was the lack of important apps. for some unknown reason, theres no nyc subway map for the hd2 - thats unbelievable!! why is that?? on the iphone, theres literally DOZENS of them.
i know i'm comparing the hd2 to the iphone. but when youre justified in trashing a product, you got no choice but to compare it to something else.
i was thinking about installing android on it.. but android has a windows '95 look to it. the icons look so old and doesnt look as modern as other phone o/ses.
anyway, i'm highly disappointed in the hd2. the only good thing about it is the screen size, thats all. i'm finally selling it - good riddance.
my phone of choice now is the iphone 4... cant wait to get it and feel free again!!!
koolxx said:
after selling my iphone, i've had this hd2 for 3 months. i customized it as much as possible. i thought i was getting the best phone in the world - i was dead wrong. the hd2 falls WAY short of my expectations. for one, the battery is horrible - lasts 1 day with some use. on the iphone, my batt lasted 2 days with lots of use.
another issue was scrolling, like scrolling through tons of albums. the albums would have to refresh as you scrolled - very slow. on the iphone, the ablums appeared as fast as you scroll. and the menu and typing was not as responsive as the iphone.
but what clinched it for me was the lack of important apps. for some unknown reason, theres no nyc subway map for the hd2 - thats unbelievable!! why is that?? on the iphone, theres literally DOZENS of them.
i know i'm comparing the hd2 to the iphone. but when youre justified in trashing a product, you got no choice but to compare it to something else.
i was thinking about installing android on it.. but android has a windows '95 look to it. the icons look so old and doesnt look as modern as other phone o/ses.
anyway, i'm highly disappointed in the hd2. the only good thing about it is the screen size, thats all.
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Your frustrations are the result of your ignorance, not the phone.
Obviously you are unware that Android has literally hundreds of themes that change the way the icons look. You can also add/change widgets and pretty much anything about your UI. You can also tweak settings to get better battery life. You have no clue how to operate Android, I'd suggest you learn before dismissing it.
As far as WM6.5 is concerned, it is an outdated OS with a lack of apps. It has some awesome features, but apps is not one of them. Android will have MORE apps all around than iOS in about 2 months at the current rate and already has more free apps.
You also dismiss WP7, which has growing development and will give you that modern UI you are looking for, if you think Android's icons are anachronistic you should abhor iOS icons, check out Metro UI, you'll love it.
If you are too lazy to learn how to fully utilize this amazing machine, then I suggest you sell your HD2 and go get an iPhone.
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i know i'm comparing the hd2 to the iphone. but when youre justified in trashing a product, you got no choice but to compare it to something else.
i was thinking about installing android on it.. but android has a windows '95 look to it. the icons look so old and doesnt look as modern as other phone o/ses.
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I know they say not to feed the trolls but... Ha.. HAHA.. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
That made my DAY...
orangekid said:
Your frustrations are the result of your ignorance, not the phone.
Obviously you are unware that Android has literally hundreds of themes that change the way the icons look. You can also add/change widgets and pretty much anything about your UI. You can also tweak settings to get better battery life. You have no clue how to operate Android, I'd suggest you learn before dismissing it.
As far as WM6.5 is concerned, it is an outdated OS with a lack of apps. It has some awesome features, but apps is not one of them. Android will have MORE apps all around than iOS in about 2 months at the current rate and already has more free apps.
You also dismiss WP7, which has growing development and will give you that modern UI you are looking for, if you think Android's icons are anachronistic you should abhor iOS icons, check out Metro UI, you'll love it.
If you are too lazy to learn how to fully utilize this amazing machine, then I suggest you sell your HD2 and go get an iPhone.
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calling someone a name here is a violation of forum rules. dont do it again. its so easy to mock someone over the net. but you wouldnt dare say that to my face... and you know it.
karendar said:
I know they say not to feed the trolls but... Ha.. HAHA.. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
That made my DAY...
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the only troll here is you, for inciting such activity. and your immature behavior proves it.
alright, i'm going to give my hd2 one more chance.. i'll install android.. but on 2 conditions:
1) that i install an android o/s that has excellent batt life and thats fast.
2) that i install a skin for it that looks like stock 6.5.
if any SERIOUS (note the quotes) members here want to recommend any versions based on these conditions, i will install it.
koolxx said:
after selling my iphone, i've had this hd2 for 3 months. i customized it as much as possible. i thought i was getting the best phone in the world - i was dead wrong. the hd2 falls WAY short of my expectations. for one, the battery is horrible - lasts 1 day with some use. on the iphone, my batt lasted 2 days with lots of use.
another issue was scrolling, like scrolling through tons of albums. the albums would have to refresh as you scrolled - very slow. on the iphone, the ablums appeared as fast as you scroll. and the menu and typing was not as responsive as the iphone.
but what clinched it for me was the lack of important apps. for some unknown reason, theres no nyc subway map for the hd2 - thats unbelievable!! why is that?? on the iphone, theres literally DOZENS of them.
i know i'm comparing the hd2 to the iphone. but when youre justified in trashing a product, you got no choice but to compare it to something else.
i was thinking about installing android on it.. but android has a windows '95 look to it. the icons look so old and doesnt look as modern as other phone o/ses.
anyway, i'm highly disappointed in the hd2. the only good thing about it is the screen size, thats all. i'm finally selling it - good riddance.
my phone of choice now is the iphone 4... cant wait to get it and feel free again!!!
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Just for grins, I looked up subway software for WM, found this in a few seconds:
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-tag-subway.html
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-visitor-guide-subway-new-york-weekend-2-06a.html
And those are freeware. I'm not sure you looked in the right places.
EDIT: There were also some WP7 titles, but I was looking at WM.
As to scrolling through titles, yes the Iphone will be better there, it is a consumer phone not a pocket PC.
koolxx said:
calling someone a name here is a violation of forum rules. dont do it again. its so easy to mock someone over the net. but you wouldnt dare say that to my face... and you know it.
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To be quite honest, he did not even call you a name . He said you were ignorant. Thats a verb not a noun. Either way, I agree with him wholeheartedly.
This phone is not like any other (not any I know of in this exact replica), it comes with Windows Mobile, but yet you can put almost anything you want on it OTHER than Windows Mobile. Know ANY phone that can do that? No Android phone will run Windows Mobile (not that I think anyone would want to - just saying).
Not to re-state what orange had stated but, you can try Android for FREE. You can try Ubuntu ON YOUR PHONE, for FREE. You can TRY Windows Phone 7, for FREE. Dont have to 'upgrade' (pay 100's) just to TRY the NEW Windows OS...makes sense to me .
Can you do that with the iPhone? No, impossible. You can get a jailbreak that will do what exactly? Get you some apps and wallpapers that you cant do/get normally. How fun.
Not putting down the iphone at all, just stating the FACTS.
Someone once said, ohhh android has all junk apps. For 1, you have to look. For 2, more are free than paid. For 3, iOs you have to pay for what, 75% of what you want to use? Android you can purchase plenty too, and get great apps, but some really nice ones for free where on ios you have to pay...nice
Please do try Android before you dismiss the wonderful phone. Windows Mobile I will agree, was absolutely junk on this phone, I honestly changed (back in the android-sd days where we were booting android from WINDOWS on our SD card. - how awesome) as soon as I could. Never went back. Now, its an Android phone, TRY IT OUT.
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As for the best android? Well, TBH, its different for everyone. Its a WHOLE NEW GAME. Just look at the android section under the HD2 here. Its LOADED with various ROMS, which is WHY ITS AWESOME! You have so many options its crazy. Windows Mobile, you had almost none (various themes, about it). You can almost never brick this phone. READ READ READ ALL the Noob guides, they will point you in the right direction. Flashing an updated radio, bootloader, then rom. Once you figure it out, anytime you want to 'try' something new, it takes all of 10 min., 5 to download the ROM, 5 min for it to install. Thats it.
My bad for long post. Just trying to push ya back over the fence. Its not a bad phone by any means, its a piece of [excellent] hardware (very good for multitasking). Try some new software.
Your right the hd2 is crap. I have a iPhone 3g 8gb in great condition. Jail broken with old fully flashable firmware. Trade ya for your hd2.
“We are legion,”
theslam08 said:
To be quite honest, he did not even call you a name . He said you were ignorant. Thats a verb not a noun. Either way, I agree with him wholeheartedly.
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I think thats the end of that argument because I doubt he can come back from facts.
I have no idea how a iphone kid can come here and bash the HD2. Then again I actually wont go into any of that since you guys already nailed it right on the head.
Love this phone and even though I am still on winmo I am still in love with it.....down the road I'll go droid HD2.
koolxx said:
calling someone a name here is a violation of forum rules. dont do it again. its so easy to mock someone over the net. but you wouldnt dare say that to my face... and you know it.
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Your a TIT!
Please PM me and ill give you my home address, You can come round and I'll say worse directly to your face
If you haven't got the intelligence to realise you are ignorant and are missing out on an amazing device I pitty you very much.
It's not the phone's fault. It's yours for trading your blessed iPhone for that sucky HD2. I mean really? You traded a holy iPhone for some piece for garbage? Man, that's the stupidest thing I've ever read.
I mean like dude, don't you know the iPhone is the absolutely best phone you can get? Whatever the version may be. I mean the 1st gen iPhone blows the galaxy s 2 any day.
Anyways enough with my trolling. xD
It is your fault really, you should recognize your needs and desires first. Judging from your personality, attitude, experiences and desires, the iPhone is obviously your device. You don't want to customize, you don't want to hack, so obviously you want a device just to use. So in other words, why the hell did you get a device that wasn't meant for you? Next time, think about what you want before you get it.
From what I've read it's an excellent phone if you're willing to go through the motions and change it. I'm not sure what you have done with it but I'm sure if you had the time you could change it to how you want it.
However, the beauty of the iPhone ( and it's biggest problem) is that it's so controlled that you can have a perfectly consistent experience and it takes little effort (though I would argue the same with WP7, though it has fewer apps).
However if you really do not want it I'm curious as to what kind of HD2 you have and how much you are willing to sell it for.
WOW!!! you are going to sell out ur hd2!!! ... i cant believe it ..i have made up my mind to never sell it (it will like go into the world phone museum cuz this is the device is the starting point of all these new ones) this is the best phone i have ever used cuz it is higly customizable (except for on winmo) ..i am currently on android (NAND) as far as u r searching for a nice rom i would suggest hyperdroid cm7 ...its a pitty that u want to sell ur hd2!!
EDIT:: n what u saying huge battery drain... i just loose 5% in 7 hours of standby and my phone lasts full 1.5 days with heavy usage
Also, if you have problems with the battery life you can get a larger battery ( they do exist and you can get them for reasonable prices on eBay and the like), so you do have options available.
I would suggest to save you the potential of regret to at least try other options like Android ( on which there are a number of excellent launchers that can suit your needs well) and WP7 ( which I personally think has an exquisite UI) on your phone.
siddharth singh said:
WOW!!! you are going to sell out ur hd2!!! ... i cant believe it ..i have made up my mind to never sell it (it will like go into the world phone museum cuz this is the device is the starting point of all these new ones) this is the best phone i have ever used cuz it is higly customizable (except for on winmo) ..i am currently on android (NAND) as far as u r searching for a nice rom i would suggest hyperdroid cm7 ...its a pitty that u want to sell ur hd2!!
EDIT:: n what u saying huge battery drain... i just loose 5% in 7 hours of standby and my phone lasts full 1.5 days with heavy usage
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Hey...can you please tell me...what ROM you have on your HD2 ? Android NAND ?
stevedebi said:
Just for grins, I looked up subway software for WM, found this in a few seconds:
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-tag-subway.html
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-visitor-guide-subway-new-york-weekend-2-06a.html
And those are freeware. I'm not sure you looked in the right places.
EDIT: There were also some WP7 titles, but I was looking at WM.
As to scrolling through titles, yes the Iphone will be better there, it is a consumer phone not a pocket PC.
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hi, stevedebi. thanks for replying. i checked out the apps a while ago. theyre old as hell. but i was checking out some android apps. heres one i checked out:
http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-episode6-android-nycsubwaymap-wE.aspx
it looks modern. i'll be installing android just for the hell of it and download some apps and judge for myself. so lets see.
theslam08 said:
To be quite honest, he did not even call you a name . He said you were ignorant. Thats a verb not a noun. Either way, I agree with him wholeheartedly.
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'ignorant' is a verb??? looks like someone here needs english lessons..try learning english before correcting someone who was born in england. and why are you defending him?? you sound interested.
This phone is not like any other (not any I know of in this exact replica), it comes with Windows Mobile, but yet you can put almost anything you want on it OTHER than Windows Mobile. Know ANY phone that can do that? No Android phone will run Windows Mobile (not that I think anyone would want to - just saying).
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huh??
Someone once said, ohhh android has all junk apps. For 1, you have to look. For 2, more are free than paid. For 3, iOs you have to pay for what, 75% of what you want to use? Android you can purchase plenty too, and get great apps, but some really nice ones for free where on ios you have to pay...nice
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thats funny, when i had my iphone i never paid a penny for my apps... i got them off the net.
Please do try Android before you dismiss the wonderful phone. Windows Mobile I will agree, was absolutely junk on this phone.
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wait a minute... if you agree with me about the windows mobile o/s, then why are you bashing me? i dont get it, but to each their own.
My bad for long post. Just trying to push ya back over the fence. Its not a bad phone by any means, its a piece of [excellent] hardware (very good for multitasking). Try some new software.
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and thats why i've requested advice on android builds before i sell off my hd2.
tageeboy said:
Your right the hd2 is crap. I have a iPhone 3g 8gb in great condition. Jail broken with old fully flashable firmware. Trade ya for your hd2.
“We are legion,”
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come on, grow up.
grifter024 said:
I think thats the end of that argument because I doubt he can come back from facts.
I have no idea how a iphone kid can come here and bash the HD2. Then again I actually wont go into any of that since you guys already nailed it right on the head.
Love this phone and even though I am still on winmo I am still in love with it.....down the road I'll go droid HD2.
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i think grifter has a new fan (or possibly more than that.. ha ha), but again, to each their own.
i have no idea how an hd2 nerd can come here and bash the number one phone in the world. but then again, i wont go into that since you guys agree that windows mobile is crap.. but he stilll thinks it isnt for some fanboy reason. gotta feel sorry for the runt.
i love the iphone.. its fast and smooth.. i'll install droid tomorrow and judge it for myself.