been out trying the HD2 using memory map. its a brilliant bit of software that uses ordinance survey mapping and the gps system on the phone.
much better than the i900 that i used to have memory map installed on.
follows the pre-drawn track (walking) very well and obtains satelites very well too.
i also use memory map extensivly when off road driving, but normally use it on a laptop with a gps dongle. this mainly because screen size is quite important when following a track when driving. however the nice big screen on the HD2 overcomes this ;-)
memory map is resident on your home pc and it is much easier drawing tracks that way, but easily downloaded to your phone once done via active synch.
this phone gets better all the time. incidentally, over an hours walking with gps and memory map running used about 20% of battery from full charge. again much better than the i900. my g/f used her iphone over the same period with the equivalent app running and she was down to 57% of power, so a gain over the iphone there as well.
Mike
I can also say a big thumbs up for the HD2 and Memory Map
The only reason for me having it on the phone is that its a back up to a handheld gps unit when im working out in the middle of the back and beyond as a medic if I need to call in airmed then I can give them an exact gps, its great as my phone never leaves me but I have left the dam hand held gps in the car before now, made the call and thought oh [email protected] but so far its not been too bad.
Not had the chance to play live with it yet but so far the tests iv run have been great.
I have the old 2004 edition. Had a few problems to start with but with rotate (to get all the menus) and Pinch to Zoom from BsB it works very well.
I wonder what will happen now that Ordinance Survey maps are in the public domain.
I used the 2005 version as that was on the laptop, plugged in let it synch up and installed not a problem.
The only issue I did have was with the maps but think I was having issues with my sd card at the time so did a backup formated it and then dragged it all over again and its been fine since.
As for the maps I don't know I do know they have been available on the net for a while if you know were to look. The only thing I would really like to see them add to it is to be able to swap from os to satalite view.
I know they wont make it backwards compatible but there has been one or two times it would have been great to get a shot of the surrounding area but its not a must have feature for me just one that would be nice to have.
For that I guess I have google maps so always a back up I guess.
I went out with my hd2 running memory map and was surprised at how little my battery went down, expected the battery to wear down quicker than it did with my x1, didn't seem to, although I wasn't looking at the map as often as I did when navigating down scafell in the pitch black!
Also like the new version of the software with the more finger friendly buttons and the lightening quick loading of overlay list or map tiles - which is probably down to the snapdragon!!
HD2 and Memory Map - my experience
I purchased Memory Map (the whole of the UK at 50,000:1) for my computer a long time ago but have updated it to the latest 5.4 version at no cost. I used to print out maps as required from the computer but have now downloaded relevant sections to my HTC HD2.
The ideal would be to download the whole UK map (which is about 4GB) to my HD2 16GB storage card. Unfortunately this is not possible from the Memory Map version I have - and I do not intend to spend several hundred pounds on purchasing the same mapping in the edition that does have this capability. When required, I load individual areas of the country taking up just under 200MB and now have about nine of these. As an example two sections of less 200MB each cover the West Country from Lands End as far as a line joining Bristol to Southampton. The whole of the Isle of Man takes up only 10MB. Loading a 200MB section takes less than fifteen minutes. Theoretically the section maximum is 400MB but the set up does not seem to function correctly with areas taking up more than 250MB.
The HTC HD2 provides a comparable map reading GPS experience to other specialist devices such as SatMap, latest Garmin mapping satnav, or Adventurer 2800 but obviously is far less robust and less able to cope with some adverse weather conditions. It may well lack some of the more sophisicated features of these devices but is perfectly adequate for my hill walking expeditions. Of course with more adventurous routes I also carry maps/compass as a backup as I did with my specialist Garmin satnav.
Apologies for the length of this reply and to readers not residing in the UK but I hope this is of use to those who have, or who are thinking about acquiring, Memory Map.
a previous experiment with mm and the HD2 (weekend before last) i first tried putting the phone in my top jacket pocket between location checks, after locking the screen (to save power) with mm still open. however it seems the whole phone shuts down so live tracking is lost. however was very pleased with how quickly location was again found once the screen was activated and then unlocked.
this weekend i tried leaving the phone on and just put it in my pocket. was very impressed at power usage as per my first post and also the fact that even though the phone was in my pocket, the gps retained signal and live tracking was accuratly plotted.
of course used in a vehicle power is not an issue at all and the screen is certainly big enough to follow a pre drawn track when off roading.
Mike
Just got a HD2 and want to use my MM on it, what are the GPS settings to use in MM?
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floyd fan said:
Just got a HD2 and want to use my MM on it, what are the GPS settings to use in MM?
Cheers ... FF ...
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for me it worked on install, if not then i think you have to make sure gps device is set to nema or similar for it to work.
Mike
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Just got a HD2 and want to use my MM on it, what are the GPS settings to use in MM?
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Manufacturer NMEA
Port COM4
Baud 4800
steveianson said:
I have the old 2004 edition. Had a few problems to start with but with rotate (to get all the menus) and Pinch to Zoom from BsB it works very well.
I wonder what will happen now that Ordinance Survey maps are in the public domain.
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I am afraid Ordnance Survey Maps are not in the public domain - at least the ones useful to MemoryMap aren't (25k and 50k). In any case the maps need to be in MM format - something done by MM not OS. OS has released a few datasets into the PD - CodePoint (Postcodes) and some others. There are many complaints on the blogs that OS has released such a resticted set.
Some one also mentioned satellite views. There is on the Internet aerial photographs in MM format. All you need do is download them and put them in the map folder used by MM. They are then available. Works like a dream and you can switch between photograph and map easily. Used in 3D word they are brilliant and the 3D route follower is almost like being there!! The main problem is the size of the file when trying to use on the HD2. But it is possible to send parts of the image from your PC to the HD2.
I use MM all the time for walking in the New Forest. It is interesting looking at the stats afterwards.
BTW - I retired from OS in Sep 2008 afetr working there for 42 years. I am still in touch with several senior colleagues so "have my finger on the pulse" so to speak.
Cheers to all
Ian
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First good news:
Today, i have been "trial testing" the touch HD with Tomtom 7.415 in parallel with a tomtom ONE box in a car around Paris.
The voices have been in perfect sync (slight echo but NEVER above 0.2 s!) for 20 minutes!
Now, we could speculate and follow rumours, but this is a hard fact - relieving our beloved blackstone and TOMTOM by the GPS LAG accusation...unless anybody would claim that the tomtom ONE box also has the GPS LAG virus...
Second good news:
apparently, TOMTOM has just released new maps and tomtom7 explicitely for the touch pro and diamond, there is a large probability it will also work on the touch HD (see some "opinions" in this forum).
Notice that tomtom7 appears on the tomtom website if you identify yourself from Switzerland, Germany, Nederlands but is apparently not available for France and Italy. Maybe this is just a temporary situation due to translations and/or distribution terms.
So it's time for decisions, and i decided to buy tomtom7 - stopping "opinion forming" and "trial testing" evaluations. For once, my friends, there is a good company that listens to us and provide us with a great product....i have to admit that i feel embarassed!
.....Anybody could confirm that the official tomtom7 commercial release does work on the touch HD?
I nearly chocked on my grilled dumpling there....took tomtom 7 out for a spin and is fine on the HD
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First good news:
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I completely agree, before your post I also posted the same stuff; there is no GPS-lag, strange rumour...
Great to hear that new TomTom maps are on the way
Guus said:
I tested the GPS with TomTom 7.450, 4 times now, 4 different routes, all perfect, no lag at all, and a very fast fix. Even when I was looking for lag (because of this thread I was watching the screen/road carefully), I didn't see lag at all. The video performance, that's the real problem of this device.
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I completely agree, before your post I also posted the same stuff; there is no GPS-lag, strange rumour...
Great to hear that new TomTom maps are on the way
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The rumor started because people believed that because the HD uses the same chipset as the diamond and pro it would lag too...This is not the case. I used Live search gps maps all day today at work with no lag.
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The rumor started because people believed that because the HD uses the same chipset as the diamond and pro it would lag too...This is not the case. I used Live search gps maps all day today at work with no lag.
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But it is the same chipset...
I really don't get it, why the TP isn´t like the HD regarding the GPS.
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But it is the same chipset...
I really don't get it, why the TP isn´t like the HD regarding the GPS.
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I have no clue...the GPS reception strength is leaps and bounds above the Diamond and Touch Pros. Fix time is dramatically quicker. I can get a fix in buildings with my HD without being close to the window! I could never get a fix indoors with my Touch Pro..even flat up next to my window.
GPS signal strength is affected by the radio used by the device. Perhaps they use a different radio version? Same thing can be said about 3G signal. It is also affected by the radio. We know because we have tried many different ROM on other device and know for a fact that different radio gives slightly different results.
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But it is the same chipset...
I really don't get it, why the TP isn´t like the HD regarding the GPS.
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the fact we don't get it - doesn't mean it is not true! If you disagree with the result because you have a gps lag IN YOUR TOUCH HD - please report it in details with some experimental evidence.
...maybe the diamond gps antenna has a low S/N, and it has to be filtered by averaging multiple fixes?
Since GPS lag seems not to exist on our touch HD, can somewone then please tell me if the following behaviour is normal (for google maps)
When I drive at a speed of 50 km/h (approx 30mph), google maps shows the dot consistently 10 to 15 meters behind my current position. As soon as I stop (for a trafficlight), the dot catches up and displays my location rather precisely (there is always some error ofcourse).
So during driving, it is quite precise, except for the fact that it is allways 10-15 meters behind me...
Is that normal or is that the fabled lag?
(haven't tested tomtom yet, will use that for navigation anyway, so I am not to bothered by the behaviour of google maps)
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Since GPS lag seems not to exist on our touch HD, can somewone then please tell me if the following behaviour is normal (for google maps)
When I drive at a speed of 50 km/h (approx 30mph), google maps shows the dot consistently 10 to 15 meters behind my current position. As soon as I stop (for a trafficlight), the dot catches up and displays my location rather precisely (there is always some error ofcourse).
So during driving, it is quite precise, except for the fact that it is allways 10-15 meters behind me...
Is that normal or is that the fabled lag?
(haven't tested tomtom yet, will use that for navigation anyway, so I am not to bothered by the behaviour of google maps)
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I think the software itself is the problem, not the device. I have used Google Map for driving only three times. The second time I used it, the dot did not move at all! It stays at the point of departure throughout the trip! This was on my Athena. When I used a proper GPS software including iGO and TomTom, I had no problem at all. Even when I'm travelling inside a undersea tunnel, the current position moves alone. Obviously this is done by the software extrapolating the most likely position based on the last known speed.
And we cannot forget that the windshield of the car maybe can be a factor for the lag
pzucchel said:
Second good news:
apparently, TOMTOM has just released new maps and tomtom7 explicitely for the touch pro and diamond, there is a large probability it will also work on the touch HD (see some "opinions" in this forum).
Notice that tomtom7 appears on the tomtom website if you identify yourself from Switzerland, Germany, Nederlands but is apparently not available for France and Italy. Maybe this is just a temporary situation due to translations and/or distribution terms.
So it's time for decisions, and i decided to buy tomtom7 - stopping "opinion forming" and "trial testing" evaluations. For once, my friends, there is a good company that listens to us and provide us with a great product....i have to admit that i feel embarassed!
.....Anybody could confirm that the official tomtom7 commercial release does work on the touch HD?
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Sorry, my English is not so good as yours. But does it mean now you can by the Software TTN7 and the maps too on the website from TomTom?
You can not purchase the tomtom application, but you can purchase the maps if you have the program installed and working correctly with tomtom home. Currently only tomtom home version 1.5 allows you to sync your device as the TTN7 application has NOT been officially released by tomtom for the HD to my knowledge.
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I have no clue...the GPS reception strength is leaps and bounds above the Diamond and Touch Pros. Fix time is dramatically quicker. I can get a fix in buildings with my HD without being close to the window! I could never get a fix indoors with my Touch Pro..even flat up next to my window.
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I am seeing the same thing on my HD, I could not get a fix in my house on my TYTNII or on my Omnia, but I can with my HD, and as I posted before I have yet to see the "lag" that has been talked about
My device works fine with Copilot 7, with no lag.
Lag however IS evident on Google Maps. I think is is simply Google Maps that causes the lap by slower page updating. Considering that this is an "online" programme, I think that it is reasonable to assume that such a programme will not be as instantaneous as a dedicated programme.
That's why you pay good money for a faster programme!
First of all...
I completely agree with the ZERO LAG thing and also while the parts of the HD are almost identical HTC has done a lot of optimization, mostly the way the software communicates with the hardware, which is where the GPS lag was resulting from in the first place.
Good to see how fast HTC picks up some things (while other things take years but that is beside the point) as the Diamond is only a couple of months old and they already fixed so many issues and improved so much..
Second thing though, I have not been able to get a lock indoors, but at home and at work I got a couple of stories above me so that probably causes too much signal interference.
3G reception is always perfect though no matter where I am...
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Same here with CoPilot Live 6 (with TTS!).
No lag, and good reception, even indoors away from a window!!!
Quick question:
For Tom Tom to work on the Touch HD you have to buy separate software? Or does buying a physical Tom Tom device mean you have the privilege of having it on an alternative device (the Touch HD)?
The HD is my first HTC phone so can't comment on previous lag issues, however side by side to my PDA running TomTom 7.4, my HD running 7.9 is about 100 to 150 meters behind. I know they are different versions, will go back to 7.4 to test further, but that is quite a lag.
On a seperate note, how do you get an external bluetooth GPS to work with the HD? The HD seems to have less bluetooth settings than my WM5 PDA.
The_Stranger said:
Since GPS lag seems not to exist on our touch HD, can somewone then please tell me if the following behaviour is normal (for google maps)
When I drive at a speed of 50 km/h (approx 30mph), google maps shows the dot consistently 10 to 15 meters behind my current position. As soon as I stop (for a trafficlight), the dot catches up and displays my location rather precisely (there is always some error ofcourse).
So during driving, it is quite precise, except for the fact that it is allways 10-15 meters behind me...
Is that normal or is that the fabled lag?
(haven't tested tomtom yet, will use that for navigation anyway, so I am not to bothered by the behaviour of google maps)
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Hi Stranger, at 50 km/hour you do about 15 m/s. every GPS of the class we use, e.g. not for professional use, has one position fix every second - which corresponds to about 15 meters. All navigation softwares do quite a lot of interpolation and data filtering, as we all know when we enter into a gallery and the position keeps moving or when we are slightly sideways on the road but the actual position is nicely on the road! So, it is not a surprise that your software could be within a second from the last measurement, since it has a full second before having the next one anyway and a full bunch of operations to make (screen redraw, route calculations, etc.etc.)
BTW, Igo does exactly the same.
Ok
I have used many kinds os sat nav software on pdas and smartphones over many years in my job as a driver.
In most cases all have good points and bad, or you wish if only tom tom did that or if igo was as good or what every.
A week ago I got a trinity an up grade to my s620exc so I set about learning as much as I could, which is still not a great deal lol.
So I put on tomtom 7 not very good in my eyes slow.
I went back to tomtom 6 faster and no trouble setting up or useing internal gps, but indoors it was very slow to find a fix.
Now after reading a report on sygic McGuider sat software I installed it and well I can only say it has to be the best sat nav programe around.
link to site belowe
http://www.sygic.com/manuals/manual_en.html#first
If like me you like your sat nav and a good map and easy to use lay out then I would give this ago.
I have always used tomtom but i am always trying other hoping to find a better one well I think I have found it.
what I found was just unreal was the sat fix indoors toomtom would take up to 5mins to find a fix. on the same phone same place 4 to 7 secs.
and out side in open space it was to fast to tell 3secs from a cold start.
give it ago I think you will like it.
Oh and let us know what you think of it, did you have any trouble installing, has it locked up your phone.
bug reports
as yet Iv not found any no lock ups still testing
Used it for the first time today running on a Touch HD alongside TT6 on an Orbit. Seek time for position fix floored the TT6, seconds against minutes, the Orbit has been getting slower for some time. Took me on a slightly longer route than TT6, cannot say if it was quicker. Minor differences on time and speed, only goes to one decimal instead of two. Takes a bit longer to set a destination, more keys to press. Running it on a screen with a larger display, I kind of hoped that that the keyboard keys would be a bit larger and easier to hit.
Seems easy to use, basic and fairly simple. Not impressed with Simon, the voice!
The only issue I have so far is that when I use another app on the device ie the phone, McGuider does not return to take over the screen and I cannot get it back. It must be still running in the background somewhere. If I go to programs and try to call it up, the button press is recorded but the program will not re-appear. The only way round it is to soft reset and restart the app. Not what I am prepared to live with.
Any ideas on what I need to change would be really appreciated.
Having been an avid TomTom fan for years I find Sygic Mcguider a breath of fresh air. Crisp and clear graphics which I feel are better presented than TomTom. In my experience the 'Lane assist' is a worthy inclusion which I find helpful. I'm aware later versions of TomTom have something similar to Lane Assist as I'm comparing Sygic to my TomTom V5.21.
Mcguider is in my opinion a highly polished version of TomTom and as such I haven't used TomTom since. Very easy to install on your smartphone etc. I would recommend Sygic to anyone. I have used Garmin,Navman,TomTom in the past but I see Mcguider as the future.
Hope this is useful to someone who wishes to try a TomTom alternative.
I want to test Sygic Drive on my Trinity (default Greek WM5 ROM) but the program doesn't autodetect the GPS port of my device. I have version 7.71 and the map Cyprus 2009 07. The program works fine, I can use the map without problem, but without GPS. I have tried autodetect several times without result. I have also tried manually COM9 and baud 57600 but no result again.
Which port and baud should I choose?
cyprus map
please send me the cyprus map. [email protected]
thank you very much
cy
http://www.geometric.com.cy
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I search for a GPS Program for fishing! I want save my position on water and 2 days later the program navigate me to the saved position!
Try this: http://www.cradle-software.de/en/software/gpsspot
It works very fine, not limited just for fishing. I'm using it often to find my car LOL For some people it may be good at night, when returning back home from a pub
looooooooooooool i dont think they would make much sense off the 3 inch display like that
Thanks! And sorry for my bad english!
But where do you get a serial?
Buy it of course. Didn't notice you want freeware
2,90€ is almost freeware THX for this tip - the program looks quite interesting
I test it, but its not that what i´m looking for. it have to be preciselier. or maybe with same card where i can see the piont.
i would recommend using Garmin. you can save any point to the gps program (much like any GPS) but with Garmin, as you are just browsing the map, it will show you all the points when you are approaching without having to 'route' to it. it's perfect if you have many fishing spots on the lake and simply want to jump from one spot to another (again, without having to have the program 'route' to it).
Try this:
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-where-is.html
I haven't tried that one myself (it has problems conecting to some in-built GPSs accordingto the comments and I can confirm this with my X1), but it looks pretty good and is still in dev.
Or this is a great GPS programme that might help:
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-turbo-gps.html
a lot more features than you need, buy being able to store waypoints and showing them on live plots could be useful. I thoroughly recommend this app and have been using it for a couple of years now.
-FM
Update:
Latest version of 'Where Is' seems to work fine with the X1.
It's got a really nice simple interface and, if its granularity is enough, it should do exactly what you want.
Where Is will show a warning that it can't connect to the GPS until it acquires a lock - tap the icon that looks like a notepad to view the raw GPS log and if you see data then it's seeing your GPS fine and will lock as soon as it has enough sats.
I originally thought the GPS needed to be switched to 'unmanaged' by unchecking the box in the WinMo External GPS settings, but this seems to be a red herring. Maybe a soft restart of the device was what got it working, or maybe the message about not being able to connect to the GPS was just misleading.
Hope this helps,
FM
I received my HD2 about an hour ago, so far everything works really well.
I am downloading a CoPilot map at the moment, Australia. It gets better GPS reception in my house than iPhone 3GS did, actually locks onto signal.
Damn thing is fast, very nice.
I found Task Manager (basic version) under the Settings Tab > Miscellaneous > Task Manager. This may be in other versions, I just hadn't seen anyone mention it.
Congratz! Keep us posted on your cool toy
Nighthawk said:
I received my HD2 about an hour ago, so far everything works really well.
I am downloading a CoPilot map at the moment, Australia. It gets better GPS reception in my house than iPhone 3GS did, actually locks onto signal.
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Hey congrats on joining the Leo club! Haha
Where are you getting the CoPilot map for Australia from?
Let us know how it goes
Nice to hear they have Aussie maps for CoPilot... have been having trouble getting a solid answer from any resellers.
Get mine 23rd.
Roll on Monday! (never though I'd EVER say that!!)
So far everything has been fine, friggin great machine.
SIZE...
It definately feels the right size to me, easy for me to hold and use.
SPEED...
Damn!!! <--- enough said
HTC SENSE...
Kinda cool, most of it works well. There are a few little issues with some aspects of it, having to back out of some meus as there is no Exit or "X" available. Nothing that would stop me from getting the device.
WIFI...
Connected straight away to my Billion 7404VNPX unit, didn't do a signal strength test - I will tomorrow. Using WPA2-PSK/AES security, no broadcast SID and MAC address restricted.
GPS/COPILOT...
Really quick to lock signal, average 10 seconds I would say. I have been impressed with CoPilot on the HD2, looks really nice. Saying that, CoPilot has a few annoying points. No "qwerty" keyboard and it thinks my street is only in one suburb, not the one I live in. I have seen this on the dedicated Navteq units as well - all the other GPS's are fine.
It actually picked up the sats in my house, first device I had do that. While it didn't find the sats everywhere in the house, I'd say it worked in 60% of it. Weakest was four sats, near an external wall it jumped to seven or more. That's better than my dedicated TomTom that I "used" to use.
It gave me the option to pick a map to download for the trial. I choose Australia for obvious reasons.
I really do like the ability to HIDE CoPilot, actual button on screen.
GPS/TOMTOM...
I am loading TomTom tonight and will update this tomorrow.
CALL QUALITY...
Better than my iPhone, noticeably. It is stronger and cleaner, where I normally would loose signal (iPhone 3GS) I didn't with the HD2.
BLUETOOTH...
Will test this tomorrow morning when I go out to Rhodes Shopping Centre.
VIDEO...
THe HTC Album played my videos that I ripped for my iPhone without any problems (*.mp4 and *.m4v). It wouldn't play an AVI I downloaded . So, I installed CorePlayer and it played the AVI without any problems. Video (DVDs) that I ripped for my iPhone worked without any additional work on my part, that's nice. More importantly, they looked great on the bigger screen.
I know some of you are concerned about it being able to play 720p etc. While nice, my main concern was not having to re-do videos I already had done, again. I don't, so to me that makes it a winner. I'll just keep making the videos the way I was, they looked great.
OK, I might fiddle with the next one I RIP to see what I can get working. I don't need to as the quality was fine already, but it will be fun to try (a.k.a. play).
KEYBOARD...
Yes, the HD2 is a sensitive "gentle" beast when typing. I hit the wrong key a couple of times hear and there today, just a matter of getting used to the keyboard. I didn't have any lag or anything like that. Only issue I saw was getting used to a much more responsive screen, light touch is all that's needed.
SMALL OS BOXES/ITEMS...
There are still remnants of WM, for obvious reasons, that you may run into if you roam about the device, which most of us on this forum will do. While it was fiddly trying to click on the small items, it wasn't anything major and since I don't roam about my device continually every day (once I get it configured I I leave it alone) I personally don't have a problem with it. Some of this may disappear with WM 6.5.1 - definately with WM7.
MS OFFICE 10 BETA...
Haven't played with this yet (installed it), waiting on getting Sharepoint 2010 BETA up and running next week (already have Exchange 2010 running). I'll then give it a go and see how it all works together.
SOFTWARE...
I've only installed a couple of things so far, I am running the latest version of everything. I checked every title before installing.
1. Resco File Explorer (no issues, running on Storage Card)
2. SPB Wallet (no issues, running on Storage Card)
3. PocketBible (had to soft reset three times before it would launch - working fine now, running on Storage Card)
4. Resco Soduko Touch (no issues running, graphics/text need update to support high resolutions (jagged edges), running on Storage Card)
5. CorePlayer (no issues, running on Storage Card) ***Change VIDEO OUTPUT to GDI***
6. Dutty's Task Manager (no issues running - have two task manager apps installed (one included with Leo is very basic), running on Internal storage) *** I disable Sense before installing this, then re-enabled it after finshed install.***
7. Skype (no issues, running on Storage Card)
I'll add more as I experience it... Going to load Electopia tonight and see how that goes.
Copilot
Copilot Australia map downloads straight to the device.
Very nice. It works well with pinch & zoom.
I can't for the life of me, active it.
There is no Aus version download online, and no way to get an activation number. I've emailed them but no answer for 3 days.
motlking said:
Hey congrats on joining the Leo club! Haha
Where are you getting the CoPilot map for Australia from?
Let us know how it goes
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I agree the download to device and software is nice. I haven't tried activating it yet so I can't comment. Would really suck if you can't activate it. If you hear back anything definately let me know.
On another point...
For some reason Opera isn't renering some web pages very well (www.seek.com.au). If I go to the same page with IE it looks right. Normally I haven't had any issues with Opera, but for the time being I'm going to use IE as it is rendering pages better.
***UPDATE***
I've found the the Opera browser renders the majority of pages equal or slightly better than IE, however, not always.
Hi i have weird problem with my GPS.
While I driving (car is moving) everything is beauty and sweet but once I stop my car my GPS is still moving for about 10 sometimes 20 sec showing 2km/h then 0km/h then 2km/h again. Sometimes when I stop car on junction my Gps will jump on the perpendicular road and from time to time my arrow on the map just turn around to opposite direction and the maps sets a new route! Once i move my car everything going back to normal.
I was using first my TomTom and i just thought it`s a map problem although i haven`t problem with that on my Rhodium either X1. So I decided to try Igo8 and it`s exactly this same. Even on the roundabout my gps can jump somewhere else on different road.
I tried all Radios available for HD2, many Roms and just have no idea what more I can do. Many people on HD2 forum in Poland have this same problem.
I also tried GPS fix cab downloaded here from xda but no luck its ever worst.
I can add that i'm getting GPS fix in few second so its good the problem is just my gps is moving around.
PS. Very, very rarely have no problem with this jumpin gps around. But is like 1/30.
Do you have access to an external Bluetooth GPS receiver you can test out? That could eliminate or isolate some possibilities.
balane said:
Do you have access to an external Bluetooth GPS receiver you can test out? That could eliminate or isolate some possibilities.
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unfortunately i don`t. but on my Touch Pro 2 and Xperia never had this problem.
hi,
are you using the 'gpsmoddriver' software, that is floating around here in the forum?. its made for using the compass data when no gps fix is available. it causes such failures in igo and copilot on my hd2. after uninstalling it gps works much more percise to me, when im not moving.
regards mad
Happens with mine as well. I have replaced my HD2 and it seems that the 2nd unit acts the same. tried various ROMs/RADIOs (official/cooked) - nothing seemed to fix this.
It's quite funny though... most of the people rather paying attention to the fix time instead of the accuracy (which is quite bad imo) in addition to this weird phenomenon. I doubt that the AGPS is somehow related, but it will be nice to know how to disable this feature, and try to acquire the signal without it. maybe this is the cause.
Btw, check this out - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=600232
Fatherboard said:
Happens with mine as well. I have replaced my HD2 and it seems that the 2nd unit acts the same. tried various ROMs/RADIOs (official/cooked) - nothing seemed to fix this.
It's quite funny though... most of the people rather paying attention to the fix time instead of the accuracy (which is quite bad imo) in addition to this weird phenomenon. I doubt that the AGPS is somehow related, but it will be nice to know how to disable this feature, and try to acquire the signal without it. maybe this is the cause.
Btw, check this out - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=600232
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Agps - this feature is available in NRGZ roms. I tried to turn on and off and it was no different.
PS. thanks for answering.
madbird said:
hi,
are you using the 'gpsmoddriver' software, that is floating around here in the forum?. its made for using the compass data when no gps fix is available. it causes such failures in igo and copilot on my hd2. after uninstalling it gps works much more percise to me, when im not moving.
regards mad
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As i said before : i was using it. I had feelings its jumping around the places more than without it so I uninstalled it.
Tried to email HTC regarding this. they claim that their HD2's don't exhibit this behavior, even though I've tried two different units, from different batches.
I don't know what to do... this drives IGO nuts - it causes igo to switch lanes, directions and having the route recalculated without any good reason.
Fatherboard said:
Tried to email HTC regarding this. they claim that their HD2's don't exhibit this behavior, even though I've tried two different units, from different batches.
I don't know what to do... this drives IGO nuts - it causes igo to switch lanes, directions and having the route recalculated without any good reason.
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Sometimes its just pointless to talk with those dickheads.
They ll never say true.
With pink camera was this same. They were saying at the beginning that they have no problem with pink spot at all. And what was next? We need just more people to email or ring them.
Most of them even not using HD2. They've seen for few minutes and think they'll know everything about it.
It was so many bugs with this device they just dont want to hear about another one!
In addition to that, both of my units tended to show different position and altitude readings each time i powered up igo or google maps. while exhibiting the differences I obviously didn't from my current position, not even an inch.
to try to make things clearer. that's what I did :
loading igo -> acquiring signal within seconds -> getting a certain position reading with altitude of 11 meters (for example) -> quit -> reloading igo -> acquiring signal within seconds -> slightly different position, altitude of 75 meters or a negative value (for example).
even the small blinking dot in igo (which determines the actual gps mark) doesn't fit to my physical location on the road which I'm currently driving on. it sometimes blinks few meters to the right/left, and sometimes it tracks behind the guidance arrow (as it should be).
Could be
Simply a limitation of GPS. I have seen it on other GPS's. Garmin etrex. Try walking with one and even thou you are walking in a straight line it plots a zigzag path. More satelites (10+) should reduce this issue.
Basically the GPS is only accurate to a certain range from +-50m to +- 2 meters depending on the no of sats. The location is detemined by timing from when the signal was sent to when it was received. Calcs how far away the sat is (Speed of light??). It is possible you care getting a fluctuation in your current location. Eg
Sample 1 says you are point a.
Sample 2 says you are 2 meters to the right.
Sample 3 says you are 2 meters to the left.
Still in the +- 5 meters but the gps is plotting you moving backwards and forwards.
Guys, it is a problem everyone has, gps position is not as accurate or stable on the hd2 as on most other htc devices. And with an erratic gps position automatically comes an erratic speed. Don't know yet if it is because of a different gps module that's inside the hd2 or because of the inclusion of crappy gps drivers. Will try to find out soon....
Anyway, gpsmoddriver is not the cause of this problem since the problem is also on an hd2 without having gpsmoddriver installed. Because of the functionality of gpsmoddriver to improve the gps readings, in some cases it can amplify your erratic gps position, and that is also what some of you have been experiencing. Remember you can always use gpsmoddriver to add the hardware compass functionality to your navigation software, while additionally configuring gpsmoddriver to leave gps data untouched so it won't make the erratic position and speed worse. For more info or help, please visit the gpsmoddriver thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=571266
EDIT: Of course the HD2 has a new snapdragon chip which has built-in GPS just like many previous generations of phones. Most likely qualcomm changed the way gps works in their new line of Snapdragon processors...
The movement of vehicles around you or even the movement of the sun's rays on buildings nearby can distort GPS signals. The GPS navigator software tries to rationalize this distortion and that usually appears as a movement when you are still. On the other hand, if you drive into a tunnel using TomTom and some other software, you will often see yourself driving straight on in the tunnel well after the GPS is receiving no more satellite signals.
In top-of-the-line built-in navigation systems, the GPS data is supplemented by inertial guidance. (Someone could create a similar supplement for the HD2 The supplementary information allows the system to reconcile the GPS information with information on your car's actual movement.
But for us mere mortals, we just have to live with it.
Well... this particular gps chip is quite useless, then. if my navigation program has to recalculate the route each time I stop at traffic light, then it seems that I either have to purchase a usb-based gps to pair with the HD2, or replace this device. I counted on it to perform well.
Fatherboard said:
Well... this particular gps chip is quite useless, then. if my navigation program has to recalculate the route each time I stop at traffic light, then it seems that I either have to purchase a usb-based gps to pair with the HD2, or replace this device. I counted on it to perform well.
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Complain to HTC, perhaps if they get enough complains they will come out with a hotfix or a rom upgrade that fixes it. Nobody said that the hardware is not that good (though it's possible), but it could also very well be a bad implementation by HTC!!
Already did.
They have obviously denied my complaints.
thanks again, anyway.
I noticed this behaviour yesterday night, at about 10pm. I was playing with NoniGPSplot, and while I was completely still (and freezing me arse outside believe me), it was tracking a movement back and fro and all around in small step, keeping track of me traveling some meters still while I was standing in the same point.
It was night and I was in my big yard, so no sunrays nor moving vehicles around nor buildings over my head.
I think this behaviour is very well hidden in tomtom since it automatically puts you on a road, and "smoothens" the gps data by making you follow that road no matter what, but a "realtime" software like nonigps tracks that all so well. Gonna notify htc about it now.
Guys, let's not go overboard on this. Non-military GPS is only claimed accurate to around 20 metres, regardless of the quality of the receiver. It's the US Defense Department messing with your HD2, not HTC.
Stephen Selby said:
Guys, let's not go overboard on this. Non-military GPS is only claimed accurate to around 20 metres, regardless of the quality of the receiver. It's the US Defense Department messing with your HD2, not HTC.
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Yes, absolutely, I've noticed the same behaviour with all three of the BlueTooth GPS I used in the past. So, I would not be too quick to blame HTC for this.
my touch cruise's gps receiver worked with static navigation enabled to avoid this false movement. maybe this is just a usual behaviour?
Agree to that.
But regardless of the fact that the thing is not a military GPS system, It should do it's work correctly as for me the GPS is almost useless when driving slow or within a city. My 2nd phone (HTC DIAMOND) and 3 personal navigation devices are mounted in my car to compare and all work fine when the HD2 isn’t .
The GPS looses all the time the fix to the satellites and then quickly gets the fix back. when using a GPS monitor you can see that the satellites constantly moving really rapidly. (moving --> getting fix and loosing it again)
This is for 4 other reference devices which are running simultaneously not the case so it seems really an issue with the GPS device.
I tested this with different ROMs (1.44 Vodafone, 0.6 dutty WM 6.5.5, 1.66 stock and another one I cannot recall the producer anymore.)