For those of us running a Nexus in an older car, particularly without Nav or Bluetooth, I've seen a few posts on here about pairing it with a BT enabled stereo, I just wanted to share my solution.
Some of you may have seen my N1 holder for my daily driver (1990 Jetta Coupe) in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=630935
I hate terrestrial radio, and miss the 100GB Phatbox mp3 player in my '02 GTI (which also has Sirius integration and OEM Nav) and wanted to stream Pandora on the Nexus to the car stereo in the Jetta. So I found a way:
I got a JVC KD-R800 for the daily driver, and now stream Pandora/mp3's to the car via Bluetooth, and make/take calls from the headunit as it can read the phonebook on the Nexus and the calls are routed through the car's speakers. As an added bonus, when using Google Nav on the N1, and streaming music at the same time, the music fades out when the Nav talks, then fades back in when it is done talking.
I now have fully integrated Nav and mp3/Pandora functionality in my 20 year old daily driver!
Just wanted to share with those of you looking to find a solution for integrating this awesome phone with your older cars, or cars that just don't have these modern features, as when I was researching this project, I couldn't find anything about the N1 being compatible with the KD-R800.
SANTilt said:
For those of us running a Nexus in an older car, particularly without Nav or Bluetooth, I've seen a few posts on here about pairing it with a BT enabled stereo, I just wanted to share my solution.
Some of you may have seen my N1 holder for my daily driver (1990 Jetta Coupe) in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=630935
I hate terrestrial radio, and miss the 100GB Phatbox mp3 player in my '02 GTI (which also has Sirius integration and OEM Nav) and wanted to stream Pandora on the Nexus to the car stereo in the Jetta. So I found a way:
I got a JVC KD-R800 for the daily driver, and now stream Pandora/mp3's to the car via Bluetooth, and make/take calls from the headunit as it can read the phonebook on the Nexus and the calls are routed through the car's speakers. As an added bonus, when using Google Nav on the N1, and streaming music at the same time, the music fades out when the Nav talks, then fades back in when it is done talking.
I now have fully integrated Nav and mp3/Pandora functionality in my 20 year old daily driver!
Just wanted to share with those of you looking to find a solution for integrating this awesome phone with your older cars, or cars that just don't have these modern features, as when I was researching this project, I couldn't find anything about the N1 being compatible with the KD-R800.
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and if you have a cassette player in your car you can just buy a 3 dollar cassette adapter and use that
http://cgi.ebay.com/Cassette-Adapte...Accessories?hash=item20aeb132c4#ht_2620wt_907
bobdude5 said:
and if you have a cassette player in your car you can just buy a 3 dollar cassette adapter and use that
http://cgi.ebay.com/Cassette-Adapte...Accessories?hash=item20aeb132c4#ht_2620wt_907
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You can. But IMO, that looks horrible. I like CLEAN!
SANTilt said:
You can. But IMO, that looks horrible. I like CLEAN!
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it is bit messy looking lol
Or you could just run a 3.5mm audio cable.
Jak Crow said:
Or you could just run a 3.5mm audio cable.
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This.
Plug in cable.
Done.
Jak Crow said:
Or you could just run a 3.5mm audio cable.
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most older cars dont have aux ports so the cassette adapter would be the substitute for that
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Does anyone know of a Kaiser compatable radio transmitter for the Kaiser so I can use it like an itrip and play my tunes from my kaiser in my car over a radio frequency?
anybody have any experience of this thing:-
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/11-Pin-Mini-U...=item150134591006&_trksid=p3286.c33.m20.l1116
Any old usb/headphone splitter will allow you to do this, as the FM transmitter element simply plugs into the 3.5mm headphone jack - FM transmitters are, notoriously, pants though but if its your only option, I would suggest getting your own splitter and then getting a different FM transmitter that has digital tuning, so you can select any frequency, and not be limited to 4.
Something like this:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/200-Frequency...ryZ48680QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Any old usb/headphone splitter will allow you to do this, as the FM transmitter element simply plugs into the 3.5mm headphone jack - FM transmitters are, notoriously, pants though but if its your only option, I would suggest getting your own splitter and then getting a different FM transmitter that has digital tuning, so you can select any frequency, and not be limited to 4.
Something like this:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/200-Frequency...ryZ48680QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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thanks a lot for your help i will do just that!!
You know what I am looking for... I would love to see a Bluetooth FM Transmitter. Then you can just enter your car, and wirelessly play your music through your phone. Anyone know if these even exist? I did a brief google search but it looked like everything was either a car kit for hands free talking or just people wishing they had one kind of like me.
Universal Belkin adapter.
Personally I use the belkin 3.5 inch universal FM transmitter.
the audio quality isnt grand but its very passable.
http://www.thegadgetlocker.com/product_info.php?cPath=218_169_103_110&products_id=2794
I've been using that for my PSP and zune for a while now and i'll be using it
with my kaiser as soon as I get my miniUSB to 3.5 adapter in the mail.
I recomend it.
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Hi...
FAO Captainsensible/JPHCCFC or others with experience on this...
I'm wanting to do the same thing but have absolutely no technical knowledge about this kind of thing.
I have a Mk4 VW Golf with the standard VW fit, quad speakers radio.
What products would I need to buy to get my Kaiser playing through the car speakers, and, how would I need to set it up.
Links to the products and detailed advice in plain English welcomed & much appreciated.
TIA.
Regards,
Mark.
Another option would be this, http://www.techlore.com/article/10247/How-To-Play-an-iPod-or-Other-Portable-MP3-Player-Through-a-Car-Stereo/.
I think the quality is better than the FM transmitter.
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You know what I am looking for... I would love to see a Bluetooth FM Transmitter. Then you can just enter your car, and wirelessly play your music through your phone. Anyone know if these even exist? I did a brief google search but it looked like everything was either a car kit for hands free talking or just people wishing they had one kind of like me.
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I use an iTech-clip connected to a cassete player adapter normally for a walkman. Gives me BT stereo music and when clipped to the sunvisor acts as a hands-free automatically cutting off the music when a call comes in.
godfa7h3r said:
You know what I am looking for... I would love to see a Bluetooth FM Transmitter. Then you can just enter your car, and wirelessly play your music through your phone. Anyone know if these even exist? I did a brief google search but it looked like everything was either a car kit for hands free talking or just people wishing they had one kind of like me.
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Ask and you shall receive, a couple of months L8R
http://www.phonemag.com/verizons-a2dp-venturi-mini-is-hands-free-and-fm-transmitter-01244.php
my solutions:
My current solution is a A2DP to 3.5mm dadpter (which as a mic as well).
http://www.bluetomorrow.com/content/section/410/565
(i primarily use the module without the speakers- which can be used with a PC separatly)
my future solution is this A2DP supporting head unit:
http://www.audiojunkies.com/blog/624/new-parrot-rk8200-bluetooth-headunit-can-hide-your-secret-stash
godfa7h3r said:
You know what I am looking for... I would love to see a Bluetooth FM Transmitter. Then you can just enter your car, and wirelessly play your music through your phone. Anyone know if these even exist? I did a brief google search but it looked like everything was either a car kit for hands free talking or just people wishing they had one kind of like me.
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It took me a while to track one down! But I finally did and I just purchased on off ebay... It is from a brand called Scosche. It sells new for US$90.
It functions as a Bluetooth Reciever (for bluetooth devices with Audio Push, such as the Keiser...) and as a hands free. It plugs into the car power, and I understand it has a built in battery for portability. I should be receiving it later next week, I'll update on how it works
Jimmyy said:
It took me a while to track one down! But I finally did and I just purchased on off ebay... It is from a brand called Scosche. It sells new for US$90.
It functions as a Bluetooth Reciever (for bluetooth devices with Audio Push, such as the Keiser...) and as a hands free. It plugs into the car power, and I understand it has a built in battery for portability. I should be receiving it later next week, I'll update on how it works
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you got a link so we can peek?
Motorola came out with their version ( BT & FM transmitter ..etc )
The MOTOROKR T505
http://direct.motorola.com/hellomoto/T505/
also available on ebay for under $100
Venturi
Bronx31 said:
Ask and you shall receive, a couple of months L8R
http://www.phonemag.com/verizons-a2dp-venturi-mini-is-hands-free-and-fm-transmitter-01244.php
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I was one of the first in the states to get the venturi and have been using it for several weeks now. The quality is great and it is the only device I know of that transmits caller ID to the FM radio via RBDS. It is not the cheapest, but only thing i know that transmits FM, charges phone, and does bluetooth calling/stereo. (not to mention it works flawlessly with the Tilt/kaiser)
Hi,
Just saw this on google:
http://www.aftermarketcellular.com/ic/UNIJABRAA120S.html
Most new radios have a plug in the back for external CD or other audio, just connect this and you dont need an FM transmitter.
Good luck...
I have a Monster Icarplay for the ipod. I am wondering if there's any way of modding it to use on my kaiser. I know the ipod connecter is just a modified usb connector - so I am wondering there is some sort of adapter that goes from ipod connecter to regular usb. I don't think I can just snip off the end and solder in a reg. usb because there are controles on the ipod connecter plug. Any thoughts?
UnicornKaz said:
Motorola came out with their version ( BT & FM transmitter ..etc )
The MOTOROKR T505
http://direct.motorola.com/hellomoto/T505/
also available on ebay for under $100
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I'm browsing around trying to decide what unit to purchase. The thing I like about the Motorola is I do not have to plug it into my cigarette lighter (other than for a charge, of course).
But, I had purchased a Motorola speaker phone a couple years ago and the sound quality for the person on the other end was pretty bad. With this sound quality for me as the listener would probably be OK, as it would go through the radio.
Has anyone used one of these yet that can report back?
The positive feedback from Venturi on the Verizon one sounds good.
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I'm browsing around trying to decide what unit to purchase. The thing I like about the Motorola is I do not have to plug it into my cigarette lighter (other than for a charge, of course).
But, I had purchased a Motorola speaker phone a couple years ago and the sound quality for the person on the other end was pretty bad. With this sound quality for me as the listener would probably be OK, as it would go through the radio.
Has anyone used one of these yet that can report back?
The positive feedback from Venturi on the Verizon one sounds good.
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what I want to know is ...
how does it transmit to the FM wirelessly though ???
and if there's another radio nearby happened to be scanning stations ... will it also pick up my private conversation ??
I can understand when this is routed through the cigarette lighter plug ... but wireless ??? and they don't specify the type of FM radio ... so I just assumed any regular car FM stereo ...
anyone for answers ???
Good questions.
It seems to me that it transmits to the FM device via BlueTooth; then the FM device transmits to the radio over FM frequency.
And I assume that if someone in a car nearby (I don't think it will transmit very far) happens to tune the the same FM frequency you are using, that they in fact would pickup your conversations.
I would like to be able to have the bluetooth transmit my stereo to my radio, and if I have on a BT headset, have my conversations go there. But, I'm not sure that is possible.
I found out I can put rhapsody tracks on the SD card on my Titan (XV6800) so I've been using it as my car MP3 player. Problem is when it's plugged into the charger I get some noise (the phone is connected to my car using an aux port.) My question is does anyone use a similar setup, and if so what do you use as your charger? Right now I'm using a cig port to USB thing. I could probably reroute the ground, but I'd rather not deal with the mess of wires.
is this capable?
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is this capable?
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?? Are you asking how I have my phone as my MP3 player?
You need something like this. I have that connected to the 2.5mm/USB splitter that comes with the phone, then there's a 3.5mm lead that goes from that connector to my car stereo's aux input.
Considering there's a mic on the adapter, it doubles as a handsfree kit so when a call comes in, the music pauses and I can hear the caller through my stereo.
Pioneer Avic D3
I have the Pioneer Avic D3x in my car with the bluetooth module. I just installed it. I had to install a plugin on the mogul called a Jet something and it connected fine with my audio in the car. I can listen to my radio station SuperRadioMix.com and it mutes out when someone calls. The station streams perfectly to my mogul phone. This may sound like a advertising for my radio station....and it is. . Just to let you know you can do it.
C-Zer
DJ C-Zer said:
I have the Pioneer Avic D3x in my car with the bluetooth module. I just installed it. I had to install a plugin on the mogul called a Jet something and it connected fine with my audio in the car. I can listen to my radio station SuperRadioMix.com and it mutes out when someone calls. The station streams perfectly to my mogul phone. This may sound like a advertising for my radio station....and it is. . Just to let you know you can do it.
C-Zer
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Oh yea, blutooth would solve the problem because it's most likely related to the common ground, however I already have a rather nice Eclipse head, so I'm not looking to replace it. I am looking around for blutooth adapters though.
That noise you're hearing is a ground loop. The only way to get rid of it is to use some kind of ground loop noise isolator, like this one:
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-Q56nh4BU3tR/App/Product/Item/Main.aspx?i=127SNI135
I use Mortplayer on my Titan for MP3's as well as streaming radio. It works really good!
Coodaddy
i had a mini usb to 3.5 adapter but didnt work, i have verizon? any possible links?
ca3sar said:
i had a mini usb to 3.5 adapter but didnt work, i have verizon? any possible links?
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This is exactly what I'm using. You can find it on Verizon's site, you might also be able to find it in the store.
Thanks coodaddy1, I figured that was the next step. I thought about running a ground from the cig lighter to the chassis to see if it eliminated the hum.
I am using the usb/2.5 splitter that came with the phone with a 2.5-3.5 splitter i got a radio shack, all that connected to my stereo line in. Works like a charm.
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I am using the usb/2.5 splitter that came with the phone with a 2.5-3.5 splitter i got a radio shack, all that connected to my stereo line in. Works like a charm.
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I found that the 2.5-3.5 doesn't have the correct amount of posts and you will need to eventually pull out the tip to get full stereo (are you sure you are getting stereo sound rather than mono out of both speakers- all left or all right)?
If that works, cool!
This is what you need - Car Dock with Audio out
http://www.seidioonline.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=881
NICE
I have ordered from these guys before - very high quality
I use mine for that all the time. I have one of those bracketron mounting clips that clip to your vent and I use the included headphone adapter and the usb splitter (becuase it wont charge unless you connect the power to the usb splitter). I connect a mini usb cable to a usb adapter in the charger socket. To connect to the radio on my ford focus I have a digital adapter that lets me use standard rca jack input to the digital port on the back of the factory radio (works with any any audio source)
To connect to the 2.5mm headset adapter,I have a cable I made by chopping the end of a old 2.5mm handsfree headset and soldering a standard 3.5mm headset socket to it. You should be able to buy a similar adapter from any vendor on the web. The headset that the moguls included adapter wants is the standard four conductor one that most multimedia cell phones like the samsung a920 use. (I originally used the cable I made with a samsung) The only problems I have had is that vibration from driving sometimes jiggles the mini usb loose from the phone and you have to plug it in again. I guess I could route the cable over the top of the bracket to hold it in place to solve the problem,in fact,Ill try that tomorrow.
One other problem I have had is tomtom as it has no internal media player. I was using it for gps functionality,but other than the fact that it is missing all sorts of key information on my area,like points of interest that it really should have,its very difficult to switch out of it and control media player. That means that while you can start your music and then launch the gps program you are then stuck with whatever your play list is and cant control media player. Other than that it does work well and the voice comes through fine. I switched to Garmins gps software and it works great. It does not even need to have some other app initialize the gps like tomtom does. It does not have an internal media player either,but at least its a little easier to switch out of.
im running a bt headset with a miniplug straight into my aux input in my car. works well enough to stream music and mp3s
How do I connect the hero to the car stereo so I can listen to music through the speakers?
first you are going to need a bluetooth adapter or stereo that supports BT. Then pair them up and play. other option would be an aux connection.
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Is there an adapter that uses cigarette lighter?
any mp3 player device that plugs into headphone port will work. Like the fm transmitter devices, that do plug in through the lighter. Just go to the mp3/ipod section at wal mart or best buy, they'll have it
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DO you have an aftermarket stereo? If your stereo is stock, what is the year make and model of your car and i'll to see if you have the direct hookups. If you want great sounding music through your phones mp3 player, pandora, and ect.. this is the only way to do it (plugging split rca's in the back of the stereo and the other end into the headphone jack)
If your not so much into quality and just want to hear the music in your car a simple bluetooth device that someone reccommends on this thread would work - if your head unit supports bluetooth music streaming. Just because it has bluetooth on ur stereo it may only be limited to incoming and outgoing calls.
Then your only left with an FM Transmitter (worst sounding quality) not even the most expensive one will come close to the first two options you have above.
Post more details and I can help you. I'm very knowledgable with car electronics and installation.
Good luck
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DO you have an aftermarket stereo? If your stereo is stock, what is the year make and model of your car and i'll to see if you have the direct hookups. If you want great sounding music through your phones mp3 player, pandora, and ect.. this is the only way to do it (plugging split rca's in the back of the stereo and the other end into the headphone jack)
If your not so much into quality and just want to hear the music in your car a simple bluetooth device that someone reccommends on this thread would work - if your head unit supports bluetooth music streaming. Just because it has bluetooth on ur stereo it may only be limited to incoming and outgoing calls.
Then your only left with an FM Transmitter (worst sounding quality) not even the most expensive one will come close to the first two options you have above.
Post more details and I can help you. I'm very knowledgable with car electronics and installation.
Good luck
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Thanks, It's for my wifes 2003 Honda CRV with stock stereo. I don't think there are any connections we can use. I believe we will have to use the cassette adapter (puke), but they are cheap...$5-$6 on ebay....
well, a cassette adapter is better than an FM transmitter.
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well, a cassette adapter is better than an FM transmitter.
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Thats what I thought as well. Think that is what we will do.....
Yup you do have one connection that you can plug into. Its the cd changer port in the back... Theres an aftermarket harness that connects to a converter which comes with a cable that has 3.5mm tip on the end. This would be your best and actually not to difficult option. If you want to go with the super simple route then yeah cassette adaptor is what is used by many and its actually not that bad. Better than using an fm transmitter.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HONDA98AUXINPUT35_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem51915b541dQQitemZ350331032605QQptZCarQ5fAudioQ5fVideo#ht_1149wt_802 $50
gazment said:
Yup you do have one connection that you can plug into. Its the cd changer port in the back... Theres an aftermarket harness that connects to a converter which comes with a cable that has 3.5mm tip on the end. This would be your best and actually not to difficult option. If you want to go with the super simple route then yeah cassette adaptor is what is used by many and its actually not that bad. Better than using an fm transmitter.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HONDA98AUXINPUT35_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem51915b541dQQitemZ350331032605QQptZCarQ5fAudioQ5fVideo#ht_1149wt_802 $50
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Thanks, but I'll stick with the cassette adapter, wife doesn't spend enough time in the car to warrant much else......
So I love my incredible...best phone ever...haha. Which is why I'm making all these changes to accommodate it!
I was playing with it yesterday, and I ran pandora and navigation at the same time- during which, I called myself, and the phone call went thru. No freezes, no glitches, nothing. So Instead of just having cords galore when plugging into my car. Can I just buy a bluetooth cardeck and sync it with my phone and go from there?
Has/Is anyone doing this now? Advice is always appreciated- Thanks in advance!
I have a PIONEER FH-P800BT and its great. Bluetooth works great for calls and A2DP streaming. When streaming audio alerts come through also, so you may want to pick some that arent too obnoxious. Ipod controls work pretty well too if your into that sort of thing.
I use a bt stereo too. It works awesome. People can here me well and I stream music all the time. As soon as proclip comes out with the Incredible device holder, I'll be all set. I use a JVC KD-BT1 head unit.
I am using a Kenwood BT200 and I also seem to have no issues with music and phone calls
I don't have my Incredible just yet but I've been using a Motorola T505 Bluetooth in my car since before I got my G1 and haven't had any issues with it. Had it about two years now. It has a built-in FM Transmitter so I'll listen to Pandora or my own music through my car stereo even when people call me I'll hear it through the speakers. No one ever reported not being able to hear me clearly when using it.
I was thinking about this some more and the more I think about it, the more I don't think Pandora will play via bluetooth. You will definitely be able to play from your library
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I was thinking about this some more and the more I think about it, the more I don't think Pandora will play via bluetooth. You will definitely be able to play from your library
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I am pretty sure you can play Pandora via bluetooth.
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I am pretty sure you can play Pandora via bluetooth.
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Yep, pandaora and slacker work via a2dp
Yes. I have DUAL head unit and works fine with A2DP BlueTooth with my Incredible and yes Pandora plays thru A2DP with no problem. So, go ahead and do what ever U R thinking of doing.
awesomee..thanks everyone..so i really just need to find a unit that has A2DP..cool. I was wondering what the difference between call placing and audio streaming in terms of bluetoothin' !!
I just ordered a Motorola T605 for my car (2001 RX300 without nav) and a Parrot MKi9000 for my wife's car (2006 saturn ion). I would have prefered to get the moto for both (since it's $100 cheaper), but her radio doesn't have a mute switch and probably would have been harder to install. I'm going to do the install in the coming weeks myself.
Kenwood DNX6140 BT setup works great
I have the kenwood unit in my Trailblazer EXT and got the car bracket at VZW store. The suction cup places the phone way out of convient reach any way you try so I use the holster part with a vent clip that I had from another mount from an XM unit I tossed in favor of Pandora. Nav, Pandora, anything else runs fast and flawlessly, phone calls great.
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I have a PIONEER FH-P800BT and its great. Bluetooth works great for calls and A2DP streaming. When streaming audio alerts come through also, so you may want to pick some that arent too obnoxious. Ipod controls work pretty well too if your into that sort of thing.
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I have almost the exact same head unit. Works pretty well, I reviewed it here:
FH-P8000BT Review
hi. i've heard that the HD2 can stream music to a hifi system. does anybody know if and how this is possible. thanks for your help.
Yes, connect with an Audio-cable to Your HiFi-system .............
nice. simple, low tech and cheap. and there was me thinking i could sit back and stream all my music from my hd2 to my hifi and control whats playing from the hd2, from any room in the house, wirelessly, without any wires, or cables, or hassle..........the ipod4 looks better every day.
i suppose what i'm really looking for is something like this:
QED Live uPlay wireless bluetooth audio receiver
or
Belkin Bluetooth Music Receiver
both products got good reviews on Amazon. has anybody got any experience with this product or something similar?
thanks.
I have a Hitachi "Living Systems" Hi-Fi, and it has bluetoth built in. I CAN stream music from my HD2 anywhere within the bluetooth range. Quality is excellent to my non-HiFi ears.
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nice. simple, low tech and cheap. and there was me thinking i could sit back and stream all my music from my hd2 to my hifi and control whats playing from the hd2, from any room in the house, wirelessly, without any wires, or cables, or hassle..........the ipod4 looks better every day.
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Post 5.
Feel free to jump ship though, people who don't bother to research have iPhones.
I have an Acoustic Research Lanyard bluetooth headphone set that works very well for me. The nice part for you is it allows you to use any headphones you like. That makes it easy to use a headphone to dual RCA cable ($3) and stream music wirelessly. I got it on sale on Buy.Com for something like $23. I actually bought two more and they are still in their boxes. I figured either I would give one away at some point or I would use another new one if something happened to my beloved one I use all the time to listen to Slacker Radio and podcasts. The model number is Audiovox ARWH1 Mini-Bridge Stereo Headset. If you can still find it I would jump all over it.
thanks for all your comments. i think i'll take a chance with the QED thingy. i'll let you know how i get on.