Possible to Unroot without RUU? - Hero CDMA General

I was just wondering if it was possible to Unroot without the RUU? With all of my problems with the RUU and the error 110. I am a little hesitant to root again, not so much to root, but if I ever needed to unroot I don't know that I would want to run the RUU. BTW I have searched many places and all the unroot methods I have found use the RUU.

I dont believe that it is!
Although you can still be stock and be rooted like I am, and I don't think anyone would be the wiser if you had to take your phone in for something!

Could pull the recovery image from the ROM.zip in the ruu, then chmod everything back.

abcdfv said:
Could pull the recovery image from the ROM.zip in the ruu, then chmod everything back.
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That is kind of what I was wondering if was possible. Thanks

crash447 said:
That is kind of what I was wondering if was possible. Thanks
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All that will do is return your recovery image back to stock image. That doesn't unroot your phone.
If you want to unroot your phone, there are several things you need to do including, remove su, change adbd to start in restricted mode, blah blah blah. If you've loaded a custom ROM, you would have to RUU to be sure you got rid of everything. If you removed stock apps, you'd need to copy them back on. If you added anything to /system/app, you'd have to remove those apps (and clean up the cache and data areas in /data). If you did apps2sd, you'll need to move your apps and app-private directories back into /data.
There are many things you would need to do based on what you have already done after you got root access to your phone. The easiest and simplest way is to RUU your phone.

jmanley69 said:
All that will do is return your recovery image back to stock image. That doesn't unroot your phone.
If you want to unroot your phone, there are several things you need to do including, remove su, change adbd to start in restricted mode, blah blah blah. If you've loaded a custom ROM, you would have to RUU to be sure you got rid of everything. If you removed stock apps, you'd need to copy them back on. If you added anything to /system/app, you'd have to remove those apps (and clean up the cache and data areas in /data). If you did apps2sd, you'll need to move your apps and app-private directories back into /data.
There are many things you would need to do based on what you have already done after you got root access to your phone. The easiest and simplest way is to RUU your phone.
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I do not disagree that RUU is easiest, but if it bricks your phone that is not worth it.

lol yeah i hear ya, i still have a phone that reads rev. 0 and it bugs me but hearing about all the bricks with the .56 RUU that is supposed to fix the glitch. it really isnt worth it to me >.<
but i want to get rid of it badly, hopefully the 2.1 update does the same...

This might be off topic but I saw your other thread too.
Iv used RUU on my phone like 6 times and never had a problem, it even reflashes the stock radio. I have a Google branded phone. I wouldn't turn away from just yet. Idk, just throwing it in here..

Well ive used the .29 RUU once before.
But again. im too afraid of bricking by the .59 RUU. no one knows why the error 110 happens or what makes it click.

Related

Please read before you accept the froyo update for your phone!!!

I know to most of you this post is kind of dumb, because you already know the drill..
But Im following a thread on android central specifically talking about the update.zip and yet there is still people bragging about installing the update...and they dont pull it from their phone first-__-
So anyway, please read these instructions before you do anything if you recieve the OTA notification, so the rest of us can have our scoop of FroYo
http://www.droid-life.com/2010/03/30/if-you-receive-the-2-1-update-do-this-first/
Its as simple as that...once your you do it, please post the update.zip either on here or on android central, or android forums and provide us with a link
schwartzman93 said:
I know to most of you this post is kind of dumb, because you already know the drill..
But Im following a thread on android central specifically talking about the update.zip and yet there is still people bragging about installing the update...and they dont pull it from their phone first-__-
So anyway, please read these instructions before you do anything if you recieve the OTA notification, so the rest of us can have our scoop of FroYo
http://www.droid-life.com/2010/03/30/if-you-receive-the-2-1-update-do-this-first/
Its as simple as that...once your you do it, please post the update.zip either on here or on android central, or android forums and provide us with a link
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or u could use the RUU already available here. or extract the ROM from the RUU if you just really dont want to wipe your phone.
k.electron said:
or u could use the RUU already available here.
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exactly....
k.electron said:
or u could use the RUU already available here. or extract the ROM from the RUU if you just really dont want to wipe your phone.
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Dont i have to root to install the ROM?...i dont want to do that
You do not have to root.. the ROM is digitally signed by HTC, so your phone will accept it and install it as though it were the OTA.
1)Make sure your SD card is formatted in FAT32. The HBOOT can't read SD cards that aren't.
2)Take the ROM.zip from the RUU and place it in the root directory of your SD card (the main directory, not inside a folder)
3) Rename it PB31IMG.zip
4) Shut your phone off.
5) Hold down your volume down button and press the power button to boot up in HBOOT.
6) Leave the phone alone. It will go through three scans of the zip file, and say the first two times that an image isn't found, then load the data.. then it will ask you "Do you want to update now?" after it has read the zip. Press the volume up to say yes.
7) Just follow the on screen instructions from there. Takes maybe 10 minutes total. You'll be good to go after the phone reboots and says "Droooid!"
Just make sure to back up your apps first and your contacts. I did this on two of my family's four Incredibles last night. Wiped the apps on both, and the contacts. Same as running the RUU I guess. Just amke sure your battery is at least at 50% charge.
And for the usual legal reasons I must vehemently stress the disclaimer that everyone who makes roots here says: I'm not responsible if you damage your phone. Rawr! (kind of impossible since you're using an official HTC signed ROM that wouldn't even RUN for you otherwise, unless you were rooted).
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You do not have to root.. the ROM is digitally signed by HTC, so your phone will accept it and install it as though it were the OTA.
1)Make sure your SD card is formatted in FAT32. The HBOOT can't read SD cards that aren't.
2)Take the ROM.zip from the RUU and place it in the root directory of your SD card (the main directory, not inside a folder)
3) Rename it PB31IMG.zip
4) Shut your phone off.
5) Hold down your volume down button and press the power button to boot up in HBOOT.
6) Leave the phone alone. It will go through three scans of the zip file, and say the first two times that an image isn't found, then load the data.. then it will ask you "Do you want to update now?" after it has read the zip. Press the volume up to say yes.
7) Just follow the on screen instructions from there. Takes maybe 10 minutes total. You'll be good to go after the phone reboots and says "Droooid!"
Just make sure to back up your apps first and your contacts. I did this on two of my family's four Incredibles last night. Wiped the apps on both, and the contacts. Same as running the RUU I guess. Just amke sure your battery is at least at 50% charge.
And for the usual legal reasons I must vehemently stress the disclaimer that everyone who makes roots here says: I'm not responsible if you damage your phone. Rawr! (kind of impossible since you're using an official HTC signed ROM that wouldn't even RUN for you otherwise, unless you were rooted).
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lol, thats why i want the update.zip...i dont have to back up anything...but thanks for the tip...if i get desperate enough, ill do it XD
At some point I read about someone who hadn't accepted the update yet, but still couldn't find update.zip. Is there anywhere else it might be located?
schwartzman93 said:
lol, thats why i want the update.zip...i dont have to back up anything...but thanks for the tip...if i get desperate enough, ill do it XD
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total bs. you will have to do a wipe if you want the ota to run without fc's and general sluggishness.
iamtotus said:
At some point I read about someone who hadn't accepted the update yet, but still couldn't find update.zip. Is there anywhere else it might be located?
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It should be on the root of your SD card...the only other place i could think of is the Android folder on your sd card or phone
lafester said:
total bs. you will have to do a wipe if you want the ota to run without fc's and general sluggishness.
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So your telling me that everyone(300,000+) who gets the OTA should wipe their phone first?
schwartzman93 said:
Dont i have to root to install the ROM?...i dont want to do that
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trust me rooting is the best thing that will happen to ur phone. i have easy instructions too in my sig.
k.electron said:
trust me rooting is the best thing that will happen to ur phone. i have easy instructions too in my sig.
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Im sorry, but im not touching bases with rooting again, lol...i did it once and messed up my radio since i was a noob...i had to have someone guide me through the whole process of unrooting my phone and getting it back to stock...not only that, i know that you have to run unrevoked forever for 2.2...and i still dont understand what the heck s-on/off is
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Im sorry, but im not touching bases with rooting again, lol...i did it once and messed up my radio since i was a noob...i had to have someone guide me through the whole process of unrooting my phone and getting it back to stock...not only that, i know that you have to run unrevoked forever for 2.2...and i still dont understand what the heck s-on/off is
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False. You don't have to run unrevoked forever to get 2.2. You just need it if you want root afterwards. s-on and s-off refers to nand being unlocked or locked. You can run the RUU that is posted here with out unrevoked forever.
lafester said:
total bs. you will have to do a wipe if you want the ota to run without fc's and general sluggishness.
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So your telling me that everyone(300,000+) who gets the OTA should wipe their phone first?
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while it is not required, a wiped 2.2 phone will behave much better than one with stale stuff from 2.1
even on computers trying to upgrade a windows to the next version inevitably leads to some apps not liking it. the ui is an app, so the same applies.
schwartzman93 said:
Im sorry, but im not touching bases with rooting again, lol...i did it once and messed up my radio since i was a noob...i had to have someone guide me through the whole process of unrooting my phone and getting it back to stock...not only that, i know that you have to run unrevoked forever for 2.2...and i still dont understand what the heck s-on/off is
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the whole process of rooting has got nothing to do with the radio, so unless u mess with the radio, u cant really mess the radio up.
rooting is simply flashing a payload-update with the root exploit to the rom. thats it. for 2.1 unrevoked has a one step exe that u run, go get a red bull and its done. it cant get any simpler.
the phones nand has a security lock called S. when its on (S-ON) one can only flash packages that are digitally signed. obviously a payload-update for future roms isnt going to be, so u want to be S-OFF. that is where unrevoked-forever comes into place. once that is flashed on your phone, u will be S-OFF meaning that any future rom can be rooted. it doesnt really do anything else to your phone.
that being said, u dont need root or s-off for the RUU as it is an official and therefore signed package.
k.electron said:
while it is not required, a wiped 2.2 phone will behave much better than one with stale stuff from 2.1
even on computers trying to upgrade a windows to the next version inevitably leads to some apps not liking it. the ui is an app, so the same applies.
the whole process of rooting has got nothing to do with the radio, so unless u mess with the radio, u cant really mess the radio up.
rooting is simply flashing a payload-update with the root exploit to the rom. thats it. for 2.1 unrevoked has a one step exe that u run, go get a red bull and its done. it cant get any simpler.
the phones nand has a security lock called S. when its on (S-ON) one can only flash packages that are digitally signed. obviously a payload-update for future roms isnt going to be, so u want to be S-OFF. that is where unrevoked-forever comes into place. once that is flashed on your phone, u will be S-OFF meaning that any future rom can be rooted. it doesnt really do anything else to your phone.
that being said, u dont need root or s-off for the RUU as it is an official and therefore signed package.
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Well, I should have been more specific...after i loaded, then unloaded CM6, my camera wasnt working...after that, i was told it was my radio and was lead through the whole processes of getting it to unrooted stock...but i do have a question...if i do root with unrevoked forever...how to i get rid of clockwork recovery if i decide to unroot?
...and yes, im still a noob, haha
Nope
lafester said:
total bs. you will have to do a wipe if you want the ota to run without fc's and general sluggishness.
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Wow that's wrong. The benefit of accepting the OTA rather than a RUU is keeping your settings, etc. And to put a swift end to any debate on the topic (since I certainly don't agree to attend to any incorrect claims to the contrary), please keep on thing in mind:
"Does Verizon now want to start taking 500,000 calls from the technically inept people who just want to use their phones, because they phone is now FC'ing all the time?"
Absolutely not. Same as iPhone. Apple does not want the tech support calls, and NEITHER Verizon nor Apple is telling people to wipe and start again.
I still haven't seen anyone post the update.zip. has anyone else? Am I lookingfor froyo love in all the wrong places?
Sent from my ADR6300 using XDA App
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Wow that's wrong. The benefit of accepting the OTA rather than a RUU is keeping your settings, etc. And to put a swift end to any debate on the topic (since I certainly don't agree to attend to any incorrect claims to the contrary), please keep on thing in mind:
"Does Verizon now want to start taking 500,000 calls from the technically inept people who just want to use their phones, because they phone is now FC'ing all the time?"
Absolutely not. Same as iPhone. Apple does not want the tech support calls, and NEITHER Verizon nor Apple is telling people to wipe and start again.
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the phone is not going to fc but some apps will.
most people will just reinstall the apps and use the phone as is.
sounds like you want to be one of those people and thats fine.
the fact is that the phone will run better with a full wipe before or after flashing just like it does with any other rom change.

[Q] To brick or not to brick

Noob question... If i install clockwork recovery and do a nand backup, will i be able to restore my phone, no matter what i do to it (software-wise) or can i still brick it?
Im new to rooting and mods and im looking for a way out of trouble if i screw things up.
once you are done with the rooting process, and have clockwork installed as your recovery - it is very very difficult to brick your phone.
if you are dealing with the standard roms here - there is almost no way you can really screw up, to a point where you can't just go back to a functioning nandroid backup.
for further security - i copy my nandroids backups to PC, so if the sdcard ever gets toasted or corrupted - I will still have a good recovery image.
From what I hear you gotta do something really really stupid to brick your phone. If anything I think it's the rooting process that can brick your phone since there's no nandroid yet or if you don't do a proper procedure during a rom flash. Unrevoked makes it painless and easy. I suggest running Ubuntu then rooting because I had trouble with windows. Follow the guides and you're set =)
Edit: Here's the guide I used. Very easy and painless. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=741824
really the only way i can see you bricking the phone is if you screw up flashing the recovery/radio or boot image.
Ok so if the power goes out when im flashing my phone its lost right? Even if i have my nand backup. And what about the warranty? If i flash back to my original backup and unroot, will anyone be able to tell i've been messing with my phone?
I don't know that "unrooting" is as easy as just removing the superuser app, and flashing back a stock recovery image. The best way to unroot - is to flash an RUU stock image (which includes the stock recovery, and unrooted system image)
you can find the stock at&t RUU from shipped-roms.com under "liberty"
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I don't know that "unrooting" is as easy as just removing the superuser app, and flashing back a stock recovery image. The best way to unroot - is to flash an RUU stock image (which includes the stock recovery, and unrooted system image)
you can find the stock at&t RUU from shipped-roms.com under "liberty"
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So dumbing this back down to superNoob level, you're saying that I could root my phone and then put it back the way it was later so that AT&T/HTC would be none the wiser?
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So dumbing this back down to superNoob level, you're saying that I could root my phone and then put it back the way it was later so that AT&T/HTC would be none the wiser?
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yes.... you can go back to the un-rooted state at any time.... it is quite easy... i have tested this... it took me about five minutes to un-root my phone with the HTC RUU ... everything was stock with all the dang bloat ware and no root .... i then re-rooted and put a nandroid back up on that i made just before un-rooting...

OTA fail help

Hello all
Have searched this forum, but im not really sure what to do.
I've used titanium backup to perm remove a few stock apps, the exchange stock app and amazon app
Now i can't recive any updates OTA, and i get this message..:
assert failed: apply_patch_check("/system/app/Stock.apk"....
E:Error in /sdcard/download/OTA_Ace_HTC_WWE_172_405_3_r2_1_32_405_6_release_1632939lowfu0y78jktpp2.zip
(status 7)
using 2.2 android version number 1.32.405.6
please help
//Cham
You can't accept OTA updates when you are rooted.
I see, but only used temp root with visionary
is that going to affect something?
Or what are my options to get a hold of updates in the future, a costum rom instead? I do kinda like the stock rom, just without stock apps
anyone?
Once again, if you are rooted, it doesnt matter how, you CANNOT accept ota update.
If you deleted something you shouldnt have, then restore the backup to that, or do a factory reset and re-root.
Ok i just figures since it was TEMProot that it didn't matter. Tnx for the reply, tried the factory default option (no luck), is there any place where I can get the Stock firmware to re-flash the phone?
Or would anyone in here recommend another rom ? Tons of custom roms, as I can tell.
Thread moved in Desire HD General.
go here and youll find your rom that you need,
you need the ones that are "RUU_Ace_HTC_WWE" in the file name, as these are what we call World Wide Editions
Thank you very much.
Just to make sure I do not **** something up, what are the steps i should follow, to install the rom?
This is what I did: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=888109
Got the same problem -- some time ago I removed some "useless" apps from my /system/app folder, and when 1.72 update was released I wasn't able to install it in any way (I was trying to follow this guide). I restored the missing apps, and then everything went fine using the guide mentioned above!
Hope this helps.
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You can't accept OTA updates when you are rooted.
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Sorry but that ain't correct... You *can* update your phone if you're rooted, the main problem is that root will be gone after update. The best solution is to *always* reject OTA updates provided by HTC and wait until devs here have found a safe way to update your device without losing root privileges.
Thank you
Thank you all, it gave perfectly sense since I'm quite happy with the stock firmware, i'll stick with this. The root is not so necessary for me at least for now
I'm glad it was corrected that visionary did not remove the ability for OTA, that was also what I've read before used it.

[Q] MyTouch 4G: HTC Glacier - Perm root/with recovery?

I am new to the rooting scene and I am very eager to root my HTC Glacier|MyTouch 4G.
I am however hesitant because I cannot risk bricking my phone.
Advice on how to recover from brick and an easy to follow guide to perm-root.
Thanks
geronimo711 said:
I am new to the rooting scene and I am very eager to root my HTC Glacier|MyTouch 4G.
I am however hesitant because I cannot risk bricking my phone.
Advice on how to recover from brick and an easy to follow guide to perm-root.
Thanks
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What is the end result you are trying to get to?
If you are wanting S=off so you can flash custom ROMs.
http://theunlockr.com/2010/12/10/how-to-temporarily-root-the-t-mobile-mytouch-4g-htc-glacier/; do that and it will lead you to perma root the easy way.
if you are wanting s=off so you can have complete control over your phone, which will enable the possibility of a brick. including SuperCID, ./gfree and some other goodies...... But this will give you the option to severally screw up your phone including up to a 500.00 paper weight.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=858996
If you haven't screwed up the HBoot and the bootloader you can use this to get back to a factory spec.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=863899&highlight=level
But if this is your first android, and your first time rooting i would HIGHLY suggest doing alot of reading before you jump in head first. There are alot of people who have tried to do and get stuck. This phone is confusing once rooted with 2.2 ROMs and 2.3 ROMs and different recovery images you need to read and make sure you understand everything before jumping in feet first.
Temp root with visionary is the easiest and safest way, but gfree is pretty simple as well. The hardest bit is getting the drivers and ADB to work, and thats not overly difficult. (remember to use the command "ADB devices" to know if the drives are working) It just matters what you plan on doing, stock root or custom ROM.
There is really only two points that risk a hard brick, flashing the radio or hboot.
The gfree method does not require either, but you can flash the engineering hboot as optional.
The biggest thing with recoveries and ROMs is know that gingerbread based ROMs (like CM7) use ext4 file system and froyo ROMs use ext3. So it is important to use the right version of Clockwork recovery. Use v2.5.1.2 for froyo ROMs and v3.0 for gingerbread ROMs. Soon clockwork mod will support both on the same version.
Just read the instructions well and have all files downloaded and ready to go.
If you want to use gfree and a custom ROM, there is no need to get perm root on the stock ROM first. After the steps that get s=off, just run visionary as temp root with system r/w access and install ROM manager from the market, then use ROM manager to flash a new recovery. Reboot into recovery backup your stock ROM then flash a new ROM.
If you never touch the hboot or radio firmware, then at worse you can bootloop or soft brick the device. That can be fixed with varying amounts of work, depending on the exact issue.
Read and learn how the different parts work, learn how to use ADB and you will be better prepared.
newbie here
This is my first post. I would really appreciate anybody helping me out here. I can't seem to get any straight answers, or answers I can understand, anyway, so here goes.
I have an HTC Mytouch 4g. I did a temporary root (using the method at theunlockr.com) and uninstalled the monopoly app. I was going to uninstall a bunch of other stuff but I got nervous and did a factory data reset (in the SD & phone storage area). All of my marketplace apps reinstalled, which I thought wasn't supposed to happen, but anyway.... I did the volume down/power on and see now that my phone is GLACIER PVT SHIP S-ON. So my question is how to interpret the state that my phone is now in. Is it factory? Is it rooted? Will the T-Mobile OTA updates work? Why is the monopoly app still gone? Is my warranty voided?
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This is my first post. I would really appreciate anybody helping me out here. I can't seem to get any straight answers, or answers I can understand, anyway, so here goes.
I have an HTC Mytouch 4g. I did a temporary root (using the method at theunlockr.com) and uninstalled the monopoly app. I was going to uninstall a bunch of other stuff but I got nervous and did a factory data reset (in the SD & phone storage area). All of my marketplace apps reinstalled, which I thought wasn't supposed to happen, but anyway.... I did the volume down/power on and see now that my phone is GLACIER PVT SHIP S-ON. So my question is how to interpret the state that my phone is now in. Is it factory? Is it rooted? Will the T-Mobile OTA updates work? Why is the monopoly app still gone? Is my warranty voided?
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Temp root is just that, temporary. It creates a copy of the essential files in the system partition that it runs from rather than the actual system partition. If you allow it r/w access, (an option you can choose when using visionary) it can uninstall apps that normally can not be. (and more, but causing big changes would require more work on your part)
Because it is temporary, there is no need to get nervous. Unless you are doing some major changes, ones that need a root explorer app or terminal emulator, then you can't really hurt the phone. Download terminal emulator from market and run it, then type in the super user command "su" (no quotes) then hit enter, if the cursor changes to a # symbol then you have root. (you may get a popup asking for root permission, choose to allow) If it works after a fresh reboot, you either ran perm root in visionary, or you have the option checked to temp root every reboot.
S-ON means that the bootloader security is still in place. You need it off to install custom software. While you can root the stock software with S-ON you can not install any software that has potential to brick your phone, so no need to worry at all. If you are really that worried, keep a copy of the stock software on your SD card. Make sure it is named PD15IMG and at any time you get nervous, you can boot into hboot (the bootloader) and it will run automatically. It will wipe your phone and return it to complete stock. The irony is, that flashing this stock image file does things that can brick a phone if it goes wrong. It flashes more than just the OS, it also flashes hboot and recovery as well, and if the process is messed up in anyway like loosing power at the wrong time, it can brick the phone.
Really as long as you make sure you have the phone charged and you follow instructions you should be fine. The only times you can brick a phone to the point it can not be brought back is when flashing hboot and the radio firmware. Both of which you would rarely flash. Hboot only needs flashed to the engineering version once (OEM testing/DEV version) and only if you choose to, as it is not required. The radio will only need flashed if an update for it comes out, and that isn't often, and it is rarely mandatory.
The chance of truly bricking your phone is not very high, unless you just can't follow the directions. Now you can put it into a bootloop or soft brick it. (bootup stuck on mytouch screen) But if you can boot the phone into hboot (vol down + power on) then you can fix it. Even if you can not boot into recovery (an option in the hboot menu) you can even fix that with a good hboot.
theres a video on youtube by mackster its awesome and it gives you all the links very easy to use.
it wont let me post the link but just search root mytouch 4g on youtube and it should be the first or second one.
Thanks Marine and Tommy.
So with temporary root, as soon as I turned off and then back on the phone, it was back to its unrooted, original state, minus the T-Mobile application? Will I now get T-Mobile's Over the Air (OTA, right?) updates and not have a problem if I need warranty work?
ibnird said:
Thanks Marine and Tommy.
So with temporary root, as soon as I turned off and then back on the phone, it was back to its unrooted, original state, minus the T-Mobile application? Will I now get T-Mobile's Over the Air (OTA, right?) updates and not have a problem if I need warranty work?
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Uninstalling an app will not hurt anything. OTA updates will still work fine. You can temp root and then perm root the stock ROM and revert easily. Heck, even perm rooting stock doesn't break OTA I believe.
Voiding the warranty is one of those grey areas. As long as you can revert to stock, then they will never know. Temp root does not void warranty at all, because you do not alter the system files. (unless you want to, and enable the ability to read/write system) Just uninstall terminal emulator and super user apps and there is no evidence.
The only time you might get caught, is if say the screen stops working, and you can not see to revert back. Though even then, just putting the stock OTA image on the sd card then booting up the phone in hboot will restore without needing to actually see anything. It does ask for confirmation to restore, just wait several minutes then hit the power button and it would do it on its own.
The set of circumstances needed to prevent you from restoring to stock, are rare. Basically a borked hboot or radio firmware, and you never need to touch those to get full root and custom ROMs. If you never touch them, the chance of issue is almost zero.
I just got my mt4g and I am looking to root my phone for the following reasons:
apps2sd
remove bloatware (I want the app to be disabled and I don't want the icon in my app drawer)
use adfree
I don't want any custom roms and I'd like to keep sense ui.
Can anyone tell me if this is at all possible? I've read around and I know it's possible but I don't know about rom flashing and I'm confused as to whether or not I need to flash a custom rom? What's the point of a custom rom anyways?
goldfish524 said:
I just got my mt4g and I am looking to root my phone for the following reasons:
apps2sd
remove bloatware (I want the app to be disabled and I don't want the icon in my app drawer)
use adfree
I don't want any custom roms and I'd like to keep sense ui.
Can anyone tell me if this is at all possible? I've read around and I know it's possible but I don't know about rom flashing and I'm confused as to whether or not I need to flash a custom rom? What's the point of a custom rom anyways?
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You dont need apps2sd, as the mytouch 4g has Froyo installed, and you can move some apps to the SD card. Just go into settings-Applications-chose the applicaiton you want on your SD card, and look for "move to SD". If it's grayed out, then you cant move it.
Also download appfreezer from the market, and just "freeze" the bloatware. That's what I do, and it gets rid of those annoying looking apps they installed.
Question about clockworkmod
OK i just rooted my phone, flashed the rom, and installed all the goods... it works perfectly and looks great.
Ty for all the guides/ instructions.
My only question is about the clockworkmod. When I turn off my phone and plug it in to charge the recovery screen always appears when off and connected. Is this suppose to happen? Or is there a solution to this?
If there is a solution can some one post a link or provide instructions so it doesn't constantly boot to clockworkmod recovery.
Thanks.

[Q] regarding: Loki + TWRP + Motochopper CASUAL

Hey folks.
I attempted to ask this in the most relevant thread, but as a new user I can not.
My question pertains to the CASUAL root tool for the S4.
Developed by AdamOutler.
Described in the thread "[ROOT[RECOVERY] Loki + TWRP + Motochopper CASUAL-R527b release"
The tool looks pretty amazing.
But I do have some questions.
Please forgive me in advance I am an UBER NEWBIE.
Many of the terms thrown around here are completely foreign to me.
(Yes, I've searched for that knowledge - but perhaps you are underestimating my noobness. )
(Yes, I have read the "[HOW-TO] The All-In-One Root/Backup/Flash Guide - [I337 & I337M]" thread as well... it helped but... yeah still a noob.)
FYI: The only reason I want to root my S4 (AT&T) is so I can remove the crappy bloatware, and also configure the anti-theft/find-phone features of the avast! app.
Ok so on to the questions...
1) Once this is done what's to stop some update from my carrier un-doing it all?
2) If that were to happen how much pain would I be in for?
3) If the only way to protect one's self from this is to somehow disable OS/firmware updates... is the only way to get future OS updates through a ROM?
4) This TWRP thing seems to be a backup/recovery tool?
I gather that it also enable ROMs flashing, etc?
I've read others like "Titanium Backup" because it can freeze/remove the bloatware.
Are they both kinda the same thing?
Will the two conflict?
5) This "Nandroid" is another backup tool?
Am I correct in my understanding that the TWRP leverages nandroid - or are they comepeting solutions.
6) Is Nandroid a system function or some other tool that needs installed?
Thanks a bunch folks!
~Doug
DougYITBOS said:
Hey folks.
I attempted to ask this in the most relevant thread, but as a new user I can not.
My question pertains to the CASUAL root tool for the S4.
Developed by AdamOutler.
Described in the thread "[ROOT[RECOVERY] Loki + TWRP + Motochopper CASUAL-R527b release"
The tool looks pretty amazing.
But I do have some questions.
Please forgive me in advance I am an UBER NEWBIE.
Many of the terms thrown around here are completely foreign to me.
(Yes, I've searched for that knowledge - but perhaps you are underestimating my noobness. )
(Yes, I have read the "[HOW-TO] The All-In-One Root/Backup/Flash Guide - [I337 & I337M]" thread as well... it helped but... yeah still a noob.)
FYI: The only reason I want to root my S4 (AT&T) is so I can remove the crappy bloatware, and also configure the anti-theft/find-phone features of the avast! app.
Ok so on to the questions...
1) Once this is done what's to stop some update from my carrier un-doing it all?
2) If that were to happen how much pain would I be in for?
3) If the only way to protect one's self from this is to somehow disable OS/firmware updates... is the only way to get future OS updates through a ROM?
4) This TWRP thing seems to be a backup/recovery tool?
I gather that it also enable ROMs flashing, etc?
I've read others like "Titanium Backup" because it can freeze/remove the bloatware.
Are they both kinda the same thing?
Will the two conflict?
5) This "Nandroid" is another backup tool?
Am I correct in my understanding that the TWRP leverages nandroid - or are they comepeting solutions.
6) Is Nandroid a system function or some other tool that needs installed?
Thanks a bunch folks!
~Doug
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1) Once this is done what's to stop some update from my carrier un-doing it all?
If you root you will not be able to get updates any longer.
2) If that were to happen how much pain would I be in for?
Its not going to happen because you are rooted.
3) If the only way to protect one's self from this is to somehow disable OS/firmware updates... is the only way to get future OS updates through a ROM?
The only way you will get updates is ODIN back to stock. Again, no worries.
4) This TWRP thing seems to be a backup/recovery tool?
I gather that it also enable ROMs flashing, etc?
I've read others like "Titanium Backup" because it can freeze/remove the bloatware.
Are they both kinda the same thing?
Will the two conflict?
TWRP - is a recovery, so you can perform nandroid backups, and to flash roms, and to restore backups. Nothing more, nothing less.
Titanium Backup is a app you use within the rom, to backup and restore apps with, you can read more on this going to the market, it will explain this app's features and what it does.
They are not the same, 2 different programs, that do 2 different things.
Question 5 & 6 answered in #4 answer.
Hope this helps, kinda down and dirty, try and do some reading on all of the above.
Appreciate the thanks.
Thank you and good luck.
Thanks a bunch TheAxman
You said...
TheAxman said:
1) Once this is done what's to stop some update from my carrier un-doing it all?
If you root you will not be able to get updates any longer.
3) If the only way to protect one's self from this is to somehow disable OS/firmware updates... is the only way to get future OS updates through a ROM?
The only way you will get updates is ODIN back to stock. Again, no worries.
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So does the Root tool (in this case the CASUL script by Adam) do something to shut down carrier updates or I need to do something extra?
Also if one were to ODIN back to stock... and get an update... and then re-root...
I assume you could get an old backup from an external storage area and try to get all your "stuff" back?
DougYITBOS said:
Thanks a bunch TheAxman
You said...
So does the Root tool (in this case the CASUL script by Adam) do something to shut down carrier updates or I need to do something extra?
Also if one were to ODIN back to stock... and get an update... and then re-root...
I assume you could get an old backup from an external storage area and try to get all your "stuff" back?
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Once you root,, it changes the rom status to custom, so the update see's that and does NOTHING. if you odin back to stock, un-root, you can force updates, but be careful with updates, carriers are patching things so we can not do what we do, and that is to run custom roms on phones THAT WE OWN!
And btw, if this person xBeerdroiDx gives me a thanks, he is saying I did ok... If you seem to have anymore questions, his guide is one of the best....
[HOW-TO] The All-In-One Root/Backup/Flash Guide - [I337 & I337M]
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show....php?t=2314494
Thanks to xBeerdroiDx - For this great Startup Guide
Thanks again!
DougYITBOS said:
Thanks again!
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Your quite welcome, if you have any other questions, feel free to ask them in the thread I gave you or mine.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2295557
Sorry to hijack the thread, but I figured Axman may know.
In the past on my S2, I would flash a lot of roms. maybe after every 5 or 10 I would odin back to stock, boot it up, re-root, re-twrp, then flash another rom. just to get a very clean slate in a sense.
If I were to do this with the S4, you dont think the ATT update would get pushed in the 30 mins to an hour that the phone is in its stock state, do you? I dont want to get mf3'd.
orlandoxpolice said:
Sorry to hijack the thread, but I figured Axman may know.
In the past on my S2, I would flash a lot of roms. maybe after every 5 or 10 I would odin back to stock, boot it up, re-root, re-twrp, then flash another rom. just to get a very clean slate in a sense.
If I were to do this with the S4, you dont think the ATT update would get pushed in the 30 mins to an hour that the phone is in its stock state, do you? I dont want to get mf3'd.
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hehe it could, but highly unlikely, and if you feel that it may happen, do what I do, remove the sim until you get rooted, and then put the sim back in and complete the setup. Your not going to get calls in that time period anyways.
Good luck.
btw..this is cool, name please.
Dog: [Pitbull Sharpei Mix] Rom: Stock
TheAxman said:
hehe it could, but highly unlikely, and if you feel that it may happen, do what I do, remove the sim until you get rooted, and then put the sim back in and complete the setup. Your not going to get calls in that time period anyways.
Good luck.
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ah good idea. i suppose airplane mode would accomplish the same thing as well
orlandoxpolice said:
Sorry to hijack the thread, but I figured Axman may know.
In the past on my S2, I would flash a lot of roms. maybe after every 5 or 10 I would odin back to stock, boot it up, re-root, re-twrp, then flash another rom. just to get a very clean slate in a sense.
If I were to do this with the S4, you dont think the ATT update would get pushed in the 30 mins to an hour that the phone is in its stock state, do you? I dont want to get mf3'd.
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I'm just throwing my limited experience out. I have never went back to stock via Odin simply to get a "clean slate." Completing a full wipe including a system format in recovery will be sufficient for a clean OS. I would reserve Odin flashing as a last resort for when problems aren't being remedied by a full wipe and format via recovery.
CamFlawless said:
I'm just throwing my limited experience out. I have never went back to stock via Odin simply to get a "clean slate." Completing a full wipe including a system format in recovery will be sufficient for a clean OS. I would reserve Odin flashing as a last resort for when problems aren't being remedied by a full wipe and format via recovery.
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Thank you sir, appreciate the help, and yes, good idea.
TheAxman said:
Thank you sir, appreciate the help, and yes, good idea.
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might have been a placebo effect for me, lol.
TheAxman said:
1) Once this is done what's to stop some update from my carrier un-doing it all?
If you root you will not be able to get updates any longer.
2) If that were to happen how much pain would I be in for?
Its not going to happen because you are rooted.
3) If the only way to protect one's self from this is to somehow disable OS/firmware updates... is the only way to get future OS updates through a ROM?
The only way you will get updates is ODIN back to stock. Again, no worries.
4) This TWRP thing seems to be a backup/recovery tool?
I gather that it also enable ROMs flashing, etc?
I've read others like "Titanium Backup" because it can freeze/remove the bloatware.
Are they both kinda the same thing?
Will the two conflict?
TWRP - is a recovery, so you can perform nandroid backups, and to flash roms, and to restore backups. Nothing more, nothing less.
Titanium Backup is a app you use within the rom, to backup and restore apps with, you can read more on this going to the market, it will explain this app's features and what it does.
They are not the same, 2 different programs, that do 2 different things.
Question 5 & 6 answered in #4 answer.
Hope this helps, kinda down and dirty, try and do some reading on all of the above.
Appreciate the thanks.
Thank you and good luck.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but its my understanding if you're rooted and still stock the MDL will still update to MF3 unless you either completely flash a custom ROM or rename the OTA files that At&t have on our devices.
where you end up, depends on where you start.
AT&T SGH-I337 32G
lilbigdude1 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but its my understanding if you're rooted and still stock the MDL will still update to MF3 unless you either completely flash a custom ROM or rename the OTA files that At&t have on our devices.
where you end up, depends on where you start.
AT&T SGH-I337 32G
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somewhat, but as soon as you root, your phone status is custom correct? therefor how can it update? Yes, it is better to do a custom rom, but you can still stay on MDL and never get updates, freezing the samsung update will work, but I gave the easiest way in his situation.
TheAxman said:
Once you root,, it changes the rom status to custom, so the update see's that and does NOTHING. if you odin back to stock, un-root, you can force updates, but be careful with updates, carriers are patching things so we can not do what we do, and that is to run custom roms on phones THAT WE OWN!
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Hi...I'm another noob with a question about this. I also just used CASUAL to root my phone yesterday. I am definitely rooted but my Device Status actually still shows Official. Following the info in another thread, I used ES File Explorer's Root Manager to rename the wssyncmldm.apk.
Info from: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2268946
The thread was actually written for a previous update, but renaming the apk should still be relevant.
Maybe this was overkill, but...
texasniteowl said:
Hi...I'm another noob with a question about this. I also just used CASUAL to root my phone yesterday. I am definitely rooted but my Device Status actually still shows Official. Following the info in another thread, I used ES File Explorer's Root Manager to rename the wssyncmldm.apk.
Info from: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2268946
The thread was actually written for a previous update, but renaming the apk should still be relevant.
Maybe this was overkill, but...
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I was just rooted and it showed custom status after, so no updates, you must check the status. just flashing a kernel will change the status, if you are going to root and install a recovery, some things are to go without saying.
Btw, I have learned, that nothing with information is an overkill, if you haven't notice xda is a bunch of peoples ideas and such, and many do not work for others, it is a hit miss.
TheAxman said:
I was just rooted and it showed custom status after, so no updates, you must check the status. just flashing a kernel will change the status, if you are going to root and install a recovery, some things are to go without saying.
Btw, I have learned, that nothing with information is an overkill, if you haven't notice xda is a bunch of peoples ideas and such, and many do not work for others, it is a hit miss.
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Yeah...maybe I am referring to the wrong thing, but I was surprised that Settings > More > About Device > Status > Device Status still said "Official" on mine. I know CASUAL succeeded. TWRP is installed, SuperUser is installed. And I was able to use ES File Explorer's Root Manager to change system to R/W and rename the apk. So even though I'm very much an android novice, I'm pretty certain I'm rooted. I don't necessarily plan to flash a rom yet...but since I was still on MDL I wanted to retain the current ability to do so!
Is there some other place that it would show Custom as opposed to Official? That's actually why I went ahead and renamed that file.
texasniteowl said:
Yeah...maybe I am referring to the wrong thing, but I was surprised that Settings > More > About Device > Status > Device Status still said "Official" on mine. I know CASUAL succeeded. TWRP is installed, SuperUser is installed. And I was able to use ES File Explorer's Root Manager to change system to R/W and rename the apk. So even though I'm very much an android novice, I'm pretty certain I'm rooted. I don't necessarily plan to flash a rom yet...but since I was still on MDL I wanted to retain the current ability to do so!
Is there some other place that it would show Custom as opposed to Official? That's actually why I went ahead and renamed that file.
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I did not mean to confuse anyone. Yes you did the right thing by renaming the the file. if your device says official then this step is needed. mine said custom. umm i stand corrected fellows..another step is needed. thanks for the oversight. i am only human..im not a animal.
TheAxman said:
I did not mean to confuse anyone. Yes you did the right thing by renaming the the file. if your device says official then this step is needed. mine said custom. umm i stand corrected fellows..another step is needed. thanks for the oversight. i am only human..im not a animal.
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if you are paranoid then there are 3 files you can freeze. i cant remember which ones, but one is att update something something, thats all i can remember.
im no help
I think everyone gets the picture.
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