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Batteries first charge - how long?

My HD is arriving on Wednesday and I was wondering how long should the battery be charged for in its first charge? It might say in the manual but I don't have the phone yet.
Thanks

When modern Li Ion batteries are being charged and reach a certain voltage (above which the battery could start to destroy itself), the charger shuts off. There is no point in leaving it "on charge" after this time as it simply will not be doing anything; these batteries cannot be charged any more. Roughly 120 minutes should do it - or when the LED turns from amber to green (mine took just under two hours the first time). Also, the life of the battery will be prolonged if you make a habit of recharging it before it gets to its last breath, rather than waiting for it to shut itself down.
There is a great article on www.batteryuniversity.com which discusses battery technology, if you feel so inclined (see, especially, part two).
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Battery Charge
elmarko99 said:
My HD is arriving on Wednesday and I was wondering how long should the battery be charged for in its first charge? It might say in the manual but I don't have the phone yet.
Thanks
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The manual say 3 hours. But mine was charged in less than 1 hour.. And the battery is still at more than 50% from yesterday, same hour... Watching Video (30 min) listening music (60 min) and playing a lot ;-)

it's always important to fully charge when you charge, not just the first charge. this will prolong battery life.
i just left mine in the charger for a couple of hours can't remember how much exactly but indeed after a certain point it shuts down charging for at least half an hour until the battery is drained again... you can easily tell... no more charging symbol in the top right on the screen and the led indicator is steady

First time charging your SGS2

HI, I'm going to receive my phone this afternoon..just confirmed by DHL Malaysia.
can I know how many hours you guys charged your SGS2 for first time battery charge.
Is it necessary to charge 8 hours for first time use?
Please share your experiences
for my past phone , nexus 1 and nexus s, I charged 8 hours for first time use and 8 hours for my extended batteries as well..

from my understanding, you don't need a extra long first charge for Li-ion batteries, you only need to prevent overcharge/overdischarge which is taken care of by the battery protection circuits.
In other words, turn on and start using it like normal

Just plug it in, charge it. When it's full unplug it.
Took me 1h to charge it up from half. Battery came with half charge.

Thanks mates, I'm charging the phone now
until it's full, I will unplug..

Try to run it through a few full cycles when you first get it though...

do u mean it has to be drain out before next charging?

I think it's a good idea to go from 0 to 100 in the beginning. Not for the battery sake more for the phone to learn what max and min are.

Why does this phone take so long to charge?

I have had it plugged into the mains, running tunein radio through wifi and its gone from 85% to 86% in one hour.
If I charge from 10% with phone off it takes about 4 hours to fully charge
If I charge from 10% with my phone on running stuff, it actually never gets to fully charges by the time I finish work...at 6pm
Sorry to keep comparing to the dreaded FruitPhone, but that would charge whilst running wifi and tunein from 10% to 100% in about 2 hours.
I am beginning to think my SGS2 is faulty

i am fiding it takes about 3 hours to charge from empty . It does take a long time indeed but i guess it is what we have to do for a 1650mah battery

3 hours from empty with stock charger .
jje

it might well be a 1650 battery, but it starts to get unusable when it takes all day to charge then a few hours to loose it all.
This phone is the greatest but the battery life just completely destroys it, I am beginning to think I made the wrong choice

JJEgan said:
3 hours from empty with stock charger .
jje
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Is that while using it?

you are not supposed to use the phone when its charging its really bad for the battery it gets very warm during charging as it is...

virussnake said:
you are not supposed to use the phone when its charging its really bad for the battery it gets very warm during charging as it is...
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Aye... if I don't the bloomin thing would be dead by lunchtime, and I listen to music.
So I basically have to turn it off not use it so I can charge it, how crap is that, owned my iphone a year never had any problems with battery and I always used and charged in its dock.

The desire had slow charging too but snq- fixed this in his kernels maybe we can port his fix to our kernels
btw it's true li-ion batteries degrade quicky when the heat up (or completely charge or discharge)

From 30% it took me one hour and a half to fully charge..
I recommend to download battery mix as it takes very good statistic on the battery life and one can tell exactly how long it takes to charge and discharge
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just for the record all Lion batteries in phones never fully discharge or recharge, as there balanced by a balancing chip.
when you get to the likes of 0% you actually have 20% charge, thats why you can power on the phone but it will immediately switch off again. like wise, charging you never reach 100%, it's more like 89%, again because of how Lion works.
if you fully discharged and fully recharged, well put it simply you'd have a lot of exploding phones, fire and chemical burns...

Interesting!
My phone charges in about 2,5 - 3 hours, so should be normal...
But charging with the usb cable connected to the pc it takes much longer.
Any of you experience the same thing?
greets!

THUDUK said:
I have had it plugged into the mains, running tunein radio through wifi and its gone from 85% to 86% in one hour.
If I charge from 10% with phone off it takes about 4 hours to fully charge
If I charge from 10% with my phone on running stuff, it actually never gets to fully charges by the time I finish work...at 6pm
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Because:
a) That´s how Li-Ion-batteries are charged. To fully charge a Li-Ion-battery you need 3-4h.
b) The power-supply is pretty weak. It is just enough to charge the phone at decent speed, but it is not enough to charge it and intensely use it the same time. In this case much of the power is used by the phone and there is not enough left to do a proper charging. I use a 1,2A power-supply from my old Nokia, and while it won´t speed up charging itself, at least it slows down less when I´m using the phone while charging.
Sorry to keep comparing to the dreaded FruitPhone, but that would charge whilst running wifi and tunein from 10% to 100% in about 2 hours.
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This is not possible. The mighty fruity-phone may tell you it is 100% charged, but certainly it isn´t
You can charge a Li-Ion-battery very fast from 0 to 70-85% you could reach this in 1h. But you have to charge the remaining 15-30% very slowly, otherwise the voltage would raise too much and destroy your battery.
The so called saturation-stage (the charging-stage until 100%) takes longer the faster you charged at the beginning. If you really charged until the saturation-stage in 1h, the saturation-stage will take 2-3h.
If you charge slower, so you reach saturation-stage after 2h, the saturation-stage will only take 1-2h anymore.
In the end it will always take 3-4h to fully charge a Li-Ion-cell, regardless how strong your power-supply is.
Another few notes:
Charging will get slower the fuller the battery already is.
Using the phone with low battery-percentage will lengthen the charging-time quite a bit, a stronger power-supply could help.
Getting the last 20% in a Li-Ion-cell will always be very slow, usage of the phone won´t influence this a lot, and a stronger power-supply can´t help.
It doesn´t matter much, how much charge is left in the battery, to fully charge it it will always take long, as you spend most of the time in the saturation-stage (the higher the left percentage is, the more time you spent in saturation-stage)
I am beginning to think my SGS2 is faulty
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It is not faulty, it is designed this way.

It took 3 hours 10 minutes to fully charge my dog and bone yesterday whilst off

Thanks for the explanation!

jonny68 said:
It took 3 hours 10 minutes to fully charge my dog and bone yesterday whilst off
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Your having a bubble bath ain't you mate
Your battery sounds faulty to me, taking over 4 hours and only charging 1 percent in an hour. Try the battery calibration app in the market, if it doesn't improve get it swapped mate
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The wifi is the killer, try turning it off when charging your phone..
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it takes so long to charge because samsung capped the charge current at 650 mA in the battery driver. but other phones like HTC allow charging at the full 1 amp. so that's why its a slow charge, and why its possible to drain the battery even while plugged in to the charger.

Now who wants to ask kernel developers to increase that to .850 or 1 amp and use that lol.
I believe lack of heatsink due to design is the culprit behind decision to cap it at .650.
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3 hrs to fully charge, and as i use tunein radio a lot i can tell you on my device with the screen off, wifi on with tunein running, it still seems to take no more than 3 hours maybe 15 mins more at most

I am probably going to order a cheap eBay Li-Ion battery that's 1800mAH and likely has a charge cap closer to 1000mAH. I will know in a week when I finally get my phone and report back if that battery helps. I expect it to heat up while charging and am going to use an external charger.
Two replacement batteries and an external charger go for about $12 USD on eBay btw.

[Q] New Battery

Hello there I got a new battery.
What should I do with it?
Should I completely charge it and discharge it for a few times?
Or what??
Really need some advice.
Thanks in advance. :laugh:

Just use it. No special treatment is required.

Or maybe a simple Google search...
Sent from my N9005

Lithium Ion batteries don't build up a memory. You don't need to cycle it.
In fact, running it through several drain cycles will degrade the battery life in the long run, not improve it. They only last around 300 cycles.

So can I use it until around 20% and charge it back to 100?
or charging to 100 is not good for the battery?
(I will unplug it once it turn green)

Destim said:
So can I use it until around 20% and charge it back to 100?
or charging to 100 is not good for the battery?
(I will unplug it once it turn green)
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It is recommended to fully charge it overnight for the first 3 times.
After that, overcharge and discharge below 10% is not recommended.

Destim said:
So can I use it until around 20% and charge it back to 100?
or charging to 100 is not good for the battery?
(I will unplug it once it turn green)
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Ideally, it will last longest (in total charges, not single charge) if you keep it between 90 and 30.
However, charging to 100% isn't really a problem, so long as you don't leave it connected to the charger after it's hit 100% for extended periods of time. Draining it fully is bad, however. In reality 20-100 is most do-able whilst keeping the battery healthy the longest.
The manual advises to charge it for I think it was 12 hours on the first use, though I've never found there to be an advantage to that, as it charges from 0 to 100 in 90 minutes. So 2-3 hours should be sufficient as well.

How and when do you charge your battery?

Do you let your battery drop down to 5% before connecting the charger? Or do you charge every moment you get the chance to keep battery at max?
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Battery łasts a long time as it usually goes off the charger at 7 a.m. I charge it while sleeping. Occasionally out of habit I will charge it while I'm driving in the car but for about 15 minutes. Otherwise, I am very happy with the battery.
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markwebb said:
Battery my a long time as it usually goes off the charger at 7 a.m. I charge it while sleeping. Occasionally out of habit I will charge it while I'm driving in the car but for about 15 minutes. Otherwise, I am very happy with the battery.
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I'm not an expert, but all I've heard is charging over night or after it hits 100% is bad. Why I don't know, but I try to charge my phone when it reaches everywhere from 15-30 to 95-100 then remove the charger.
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I'm not constantly on my phone, so usually charge it up to 80% and recharge when it drops to 40%. I only charge it to 100% when I am out and about for the whole day. See the following link for charging advice:
http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/how-to/mobile-phone/how-charge-phones-battery-3619623/

Namyep said:
I'm not an expert, but all I've heard is charging over night or after it hits 100% is bad. Why I don't know, but I try to charge my phone when it reaches everywhere from 15-30 to 95-100 then remove the charger.
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Overcharging won't happen on a advanced device like the S7.
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Namyep said:
I'm not an expert, but all I've heard is charging over night or after it hits 100% is bad. Why I don't know, but I try to charge my phone when it reaches everywhere from 15-30 to 95-100 then remove the charger.
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Nah, that's old news. Modern chargers and devices know when they've hit 100%, so they stop charging at that point and lets the battery dip down to 98-99% before trickle charging up to 100 again, and so on until you unplug. It's completely safe, and you shouldn't trust all those garbage click-bait articles out there. Do not, however, go down to 0% before you recharge it. That can actually damage the cells in your battery, so plug it into the charger before that. If you notice some funky behavior from the battery, like if it's jumping from 30% to 20% in five minutes, or is stuck at 10% for an hour, then it's a good idea to completely drain it to 0% to calibrate the battery since the OS has no idea how much battery is left (so it knows where 0 is again). This will usually happen after flashing a different ROM. Charge it up to 100 again and it should be back to normal.
I personally charge it normally at night, without quick charge, since there's no point in having it quick charge while I'm a sleep for around 8 hours. I'll only quick charge it in the middle of the day, which is almost never, since the battery is freakin' awesome.
Don't worry about the battery too much, but don't reach 0% too often, and you'll be good. By too often, I mean every 3-4 months or so is OK. I base these things from my Sony device which I've had for almost 3 years. The (sealed in) battery was very good out-of-the-box, and it's still very good after nearly three years, so I won't mess with a proven success.

To be safe on the longevity of the battery I use one of these with my wireless charger :
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B003P...mer+outlet&dpPl=1&dpID=31OAEbif0lL&ref=plSrch
My battery is usually around 30-40% at the end of the day. I use the regular speed Samsung Charging Pad and set the timer on this outlet for 3 hours when I go to bed. So after 3 hours it stops charging and I don't have to worry about the possibility of damaging the battery (I know about trickle charging, but I think this is better)

Ive read somewhere that the new s7 edge charger doesnt have a power inverter so it keeps charging and wasting power which could damage the charger or possibly device. So know if thats correct.

eric150 said:
To be safe on the longevity of the battery I use one of these with my wireless charger :
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B003P...mer+outlet&dpPl=1&dpID=31OAEbif0lL&ref=plSrch
My battery is usually around 30-40% at the end of the day. I use the regular speed Samsung Charging Pad and set the timer on this outlet for 3 hours when I go to bed. So after 3 hours it stops charging and I don't have to worry about the possibility of damaging the battery (I know about trickle charging, but I think this is better)
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I just purchased one of those...thanks for the advice. I charge my device when get around 20%-30% of battery and left charging over night ( when sleeping) on my standard Samsung wireless charging. My battery is just ok.. I'm not so heavy user and sometimes I have to charge around 8pm or so. I take off from the charger at 100% all morning around 8am.
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At home. I do wireless when ever i can. If im not using the phone then i sit it on a wireless charger.
Battery hasnt drop pass 30% in the week i had the phone.
My note edge would drop pretty low because i didnt use wireless charging. So my phone would just sit in my pocket slowly draining.

ssgunner20 said:
Ive read somewhere that the new s7 edge charger doesnt have a power inverter so it keeps charging and wasting power which could damage the charger or possibly device. So know if thats correct.
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Whatever you read, either you misunderstood, or the person that typed it was a bumbling idiot. A power inverter converts DC power to AC. Your source/utility power is already AC. A USB charger is merely an AC adapter made for USB. The phone has integrated circuitry that controls when and when not to charge the battery and at what amperage.

I usually let mine get to around 5% everytime. Then charge it back fully to 100%.

J.Biden said:
Nah, that's old news. Modern chargers and devices know when they've hit 100%, so they stop charging at that point and lets the battery dip down to 98-99% before trickle charging up to 100 again, and so on until you unplug. It's completely safe, and you shouldn't trust all those garbage click-bait articles out there. Do not, however, go down to 0% before you recharge it. That can actually damage the cells in your battery, so plug it into the charger before that. If you notice some funky behavior from the battery, like if it's jumping from 30% to 20% in five minutes, or is stuck at 10% for an hour, then it's a good idea to completely drain it to 0% to calibrate the battery since the OS has no idea how much battery is left (so it knows where 0 is again). This will usually happen after flashing a different ROM. Charge it up to 100 again and it should be back to normal.
I personally charge it normally at night, without quick charge, since there's no point in having it quick charge while I'm a sleep for around 8 hours. I'll only quick charge it in the middle of the day, which is almost never, since the battery is freakin' awesome.
Don't worry about the battery too much, but don't reach 0% too often, and you'll be good. By too often, I mean every 3-4 months or so is OK. I base these things from my Sony device which I've had for almost 3 years. The (sealed in) battery was very good out-of-the-box, and it's still very good after nearly three years, so I won't mess with a proven success.
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Thanks for the details information. I figured the technology is so advanced with batteries that overcharging is in the past.

t12icky0 said:
I usually let mine get to around 5% everytime. Then charge it back fully to 100%.
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+1 :good:
J.Biden said:
Nah, that's old news. Modern chargers and devices know when they've hit 100%, so they stop charging at that point and lets the battery dip down to 98-99% before trickle charging up to 100 again, and so on until you unplug. It's completely safe, and you shouldn't trust all those garbage click-bait articles out there. Do not, however, go down to 0% before you recharge it. That can actually damage the cells in your battery, so plug it into the charger before that. If you notice some funky behavior from the battery, like if it's jumping from 30% to 20% in five minutes, or is stuck at 10% for an hour, then it's a good idea to completely drain it to 0% to calibrate the battery since the OS has no idea how much battery is left (so it knows where 0 is again). This will usually happen after flashing a different ROM. Charge it up to 100 again and it should be back to normal.
I personally charge it normally at night, without quick charge, since there's no point in having it quick charge while I'm a sleep for around 8 hours. I'll only quick charge it in the middle of the day, which is almost never, since the battery is freakin' awesome.
Don't worry about the battery too much, but don't reach 0% too often, and you'll be good. By too often, I mean every 3-4 months or so is OK. I base these things from my Sony device which I've had for almost 3 years. The (sealed in) battery was very good out-of-the-box, and it's still very good after nearly three years, so I won't mess with a proven success.
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I reach 5% max, is it a problem for the battery's life?

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I reach 5% max, is it a problem for the battery's life?
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Not at all, but just try to not discharge the battery completely to the point where it turns itself off. It won't ruin the battery to the point where you actually notice it there, but it's better if you just turn the phone off if you're able to (unless it's an emergency, of course).

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Not at all, but just try to not discharge the battery completely to the point where it turns itself off. It won't ruin the battery to the point where you actually notice it there, but it's better if you just turn the phone off if you're able to (unless it's an emergency, of course).
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I never discharge the battery completely, like I said I use until battery is max at 5% [emoji3]
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I charge it when it hits 20%. But i dont use the fast charging unless i need a quick top up

Does it hurt the battery to charge the phone with a different charger ?
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I never used the fast charging, I think that slowly charging a battery is better for the lifetime. Most of the time it is below 10 % before I plug it in and I also want it to be at 100% and ready (green LED) when I unplug it.
my note 3 battery is still superb and I got the phone since 2013

Best way to keep a battery in good health is to charge it to full before you start using it. Also, try and never charge it until it's less than 50%. Charging it overnight is perfectly fine it won't hurt anything but once ina while, at least say once a month let the battery drain all the way, try to turn it back on if it goes off sometimes there is still some juice left and it might start up, once it won't start anymore try and charge it without turning it on to full. I wouldn't do it more than say a couple times a month any more than that is overkill and may do more harm than good. These are the guidelines I use and I have never had battery issues. I currently am waiting for my S7 Edge and on my Nexus 6 I usually get 48+ hours with 4+ hours SoT. I'm just an average user currently.