Complete restore stock? - Nexus One General

So I'm relatively new to the flashing, rooting, hacking android scene, but I've done some reading.
I accidentally installed Google Voice and now I simply can't uninstall it. I am offered the option of uninstalling the updates, but if I do that I can no longer 'Open' or 'Uninstall'. If I uninstall the updates I can no longer open the app and the icon disappears from the app menu.
Whilst I don't want to root my phone, yet, I would like to restore it to a completely stock image.
The "Settings > Privacy > Factory data reset" doesn't do what I want. After doing this, Google Voice is still shown as installed in the marketplace - even though it isn't.
So, can I completely reset my entire phone?
Would I be correct in thinking that if I booted into the skateboarding android screen (via volume down and power) and I applied the 'update-nexusone-ERE27-signed.zip' update from 'android.modaco.com' - this would completely wipe my phone and put it back to a stock, unrooted factory setting?
Do I need to 'wipe' my phone before I apply the zip mentioned above? If so, how do I wipe?
If anyone could tell me how to get rid of Google Voice in another way, I would also appreciate that - without being rooted.
Thanks in advance for the help.

You can pick up a complete stock ERD79 from MoDaCo, the ERE27 update wont do as it's an update not a complete ROM.

Hi,
Thanks for taking the time to reply, and so quickly!
If I go and get the stock ERE27 ROM from MoDaCo, will I be able to apply this without rooting?
To apply the ROM, do I boot into the skateboarding androids screen? Which options would I choose to perform a wipe and then apply the update?
My understanding is that I will need to rename the ROM to update.zip?
Apologies for the noob questions.

Hang on a minute, I've mis-understood what's going on here
So you've not unlocked your boot loader, which makes everything I previously said invalid
Can you find Google Voice in the list of installed apps in the Application Manager (under settings) and filter it to all?

When I got the phone I made the mistake of installing Google Voice from the marketplace - no point as I'm in the UK.
Somehow, it no longer appears in the app menu but does still show as installed in marketplace. The only options marketplace offers 'open' and 'uninstall' are both greyed out.
If I browse the file structure of the phone with Astro to '/system/app' I can see a googlevoice.apk entry, with the google voice icon. There isn't a googlevoice.odex file however.
The phone still works, and works normally - it just annoys me that it is on my system and shows in marketplace and I can't get rid of it.
I was therefore looking for a way to completely restore the phone to a factory state (like you could do with the iPhone with a restore).
I am not rooted and would like to stay that way.
I hope that clarifies, and thanks for your continued replies.

Oh, and it doesn't show under manage applications in settings.
Out of interest, are you on a vodafone contract, SIM only or PAYG? I'm looking to switch from O2 but I want to ensure that I can still get full HSDPA speeds on a SIM only deal - I tried out T-Mobile SIM Only but I needed to have the £5 extra for W&W plus as their standard internet doesn't give full HSDPA speeds.

Hmm that's a bit odd then, must admit all I can think of is boot into recovery and perform the 2 wipes that are available, or... just ignore it
As for Voda, it's a SIM only 12 month contract that I got from retentions... 300mins, unlimited texts & web for £15p/m, however 11 of those months are discounted by 50%.

Thanks for bearing with me. Unfortunately I can't ignore it... what can I say, I'm just one of those people
I'm guessing that it simply isn't possible for me to do a complete restore to stock without first being rooted?
So, the last few stupid questions:
If I do the two wipes that are available, will that leave me with a completely blank phone that I will then need to flash a ROM to?
What are the two types of wipe, how do I get to them and what is each supposed to achieve?

No it wont leave you with a blank phone, it will be as if you'd just switched it on when you got it.
You need to get into fastboot (trackball and power on as you know) then into the bootloader, then recovery. At the picture of the Android and the exclamation point, you hold down the power button, the hit vol up.
Here you can use the trackball to select what you want.
What does each one do? **** knows, I can't even remember what they're called at the moment lmao

Much appreciated.
I'll give it a go this evening and let you know how I get on.

Please refer to this link for restoring to original shipping, thread closed.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=614850

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[Q] WiFi problem...won't connect

Everything was working fine this morning on my JB vibrant. I then read an article about the Fenneck browser release as an alpha. I downloaded the browser and found that it still had several problems so I deleted it. After deleting I noticed that my wifi was not on so I turned it on and got the message "unable to scan networks" and "unable to save the network" I have done some research and it looks like I'm going to have to reflash the phone. If anyone knows of something I can try I'd appreciate the info before I have to spend the weekend researching and trying stuff till I get it right again. I just got the phone setup the way I wanted it including the native tethering flash. I'm not sure what steps I need to take from here if I do need to start from scratch. Do I need to un JB the phone, flash it then reload all the "approved programs then all the unapproved programs? Just not sure what I need or how to get it back to how it was this morning. I've looked around but have not found a step by step list as to how to get where I want to be. Any help would be appreciated. I do have apps like appbrain, astro, ROM manager, appmonster etc.
Thanks,
Gerry
Did you make a nandroid backup when you installed ROM Manager?
If you did, you can go back to that and add the missing apps as needed.
Otherwise, besides flashing firmware try factory reset.
I had this EXACT same problem... I ended up having to flash stock back and everything was fine. I dont think anyone has a solution to this here.. And if they do they ignored/didnt see my thread about it
Completely forgot I had done a nandroid backup...getting old is rough on the memory with so many gadgets. Anyways...did a restore and the wifi came back. Had to update about 10 programs though. Small price to pay.

[Q] Did I f* up my Play?

Hey guys. I hate making my first post a really noobie question but here it goes.
I just updated my rooted Xperia Play to 2.3.3 and it erased and/or re-wrote all of my system apps. I stupidly converted some of my downloaded apps into system apps using Titanium (because system apps turn red on the list. It helped me quickly figure out what was external and what was internal. Stupid, yes, and more trouble then it was actually worth.) so those apps were lost. Didn't matter, I had backups but I lost my root so I couldn't access them.
Forgetting what I used to root my phone originally I decided to use z4root after reading about it somewhere. The site I got it from is usually trust worthy but when I downloaded the file my OfficeScan (its a school bought computer) warned me of a potential virus threat. I wrote it off as just the pop-up ad and un-zipped and transferred the file to my phone. I still am not sure if it was a virus or not... Running z4root it got up to "acquiring shell root..." or something like that before kicking me back to the home screen with no change. I, again, stupidly, re-ran it several times without rebooting between each attempt. Giving up I then realized to reboot. Strangely rebooting was A LOT faster then it was usually is and I don't know if that was z4 or 2.3.3.
Anyway I remembered that I used Gingerbreak last time and re-installed that. I made several attempts with that with no change either. Too many to count, but at least more than 8. Several attempts I got a call or a text and, checking them, ended the process. 2 attempts I left running for about half an hour (I know that the instructions say it will never take more then 10 minutes) and some I ended with a battery pull after more then 10mins(as per instruction).
So I guess I have several questions:
1. How bad did I f* up, If I did so?
2. Any suggestions on how to re-root/fix it?
3. Will switching to an empty SD card, successfully rooting it, and switching back to the full card still keep the root?
4. Does an in phone factory reset work the same as flashing the same rom or will I need to actually flash that new rom?
5. If I do need to flash, where can I find a regular Play rom? Or do you have suggestions about a better rom?
6. Is the fast reboot the work of the half done, possibly a virus, z4root process or just the 2.3.3 update?
7.Lastly Was this tl and you ;dr?
Normally, I wouldn't care if there was no fix; My phone boots much faster, I didn't lose all my apps and only some apps launch a little slower then before. But I made tons of progress on Zenonia 2 and I want my back ups for that... lol.
Any help appreciated. Also thanks for putting up with a noob that's writing way to formally
1. Messing with the system apps, and not backing them up probably caused you to not have an OTA update. I'm guessing you flashed it? Not restoring anything and not doing an OTA was mistake number one. Trying to use z4root was mistake number 2.
2. Get the generic UK firmware from here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1097591
-Flash that with Bin4ry and Androxhyde's flashtool
-Put in your carrier's APN settings, configure your google account, wifi etc. etc.
-Get Gingerbreak 1.2, run it(I used Astro to open the apk, and you need uunknown sources enabled).
Gingerbreak only worked for me when I formatted an SD card right before running it. I used a spare that was lying around, not the usual one with all my data, and I suggest you do the same if you kept your titanium backups. Hopefully you'll get rooted after about 3-5 minutes. Do not mess with any apps/bloatware after you have the root.
-After you have root, go into the settings menu and start an OTA update.
You should now have 2.3.3 WITH root.
-Once the phone is updated, install Titanium Backup and start backing up your old apps from before you messed up the phone and lost root.
-At this point feel free to remove the bloatware, but make sure you back it up in titanium for later.
3. Switching SD cards won't affect root at all.
4. A factory reset will reset whatever ROM was installed last. In other words, you can't revert back to 2.3.2 with a reset, it'll just reset 2.3.3 - It's really just for wiping data and settings.
5.The regular play ROM is the UK generic I posted above. The only "better" roms are customs that you need an unlocked bootloader to install. Currently they're still buggy and in development and not worth getting unless you like incomplete ROMs with bugs, and wanna lose the ability to update normally. Both OTA updates and the Sony Ericsson Update Service will brick your phone once the bootloader's unlocked.
6. My phone was booting a bit faster after updating to 2.3.3, and became even faster after removing some bloatware.
-Root doesn't speed up the boot process.
-I highly doubt an Android phone would have a virus that makes it boot faster, it's probably just from the update.
7. No, it wasn't. No, I didn't.
Thanks for the (semi-)quick response. Been browsing around the web with this tab open, constantly refreshing like a creep. I'll try your advice soon but its like 3am, just wanted to say thanks and love your Stocking pic.
Btw is there a difference between A US, UK or CAN rom or do those even exist?
The only real differences are carrier specific apps, and some versions have different games installed.
Sent from my R800
Seems like I was to late to flash and the link to the rom you gave me may have been updated to 2.3.3 as well. I was looking for a Canada/Rodgers rom anyway but the forum search isn't turning up anything and google seems to hate me...
Help anyone?
The link was for 2.3.2 in the generic.
The only rogers rom available is for 2.3.3 so you won't be getting root without an unlocked bootloader with that one.
Just follow the directions and it should be fine.
The rogers apps are available in the android market separately.
Sent from my R800

[Q] Need Help! Milestone 2

ok, so here's the thing... I have almost no experience with android, but I want to be messing with my phone so I can learn from experience...
I read that motoblur eats up a lot of CPU from the phone, so I tried to remove some parts that I though they would not affect the functionally of the phone. basically I uninstalled the socialmedia and other similar software that was "related" or had socialmedia on the name.
as a result, my contacts that sync from facebook were deleted from the contact list.
so before I started to remove these programs, extensions, or whatever, I made a backup of each using titanium backup, but when I tried to restore the backup, no matter with which one I started, the thing didn't restore the program, it just stayed as "performing installation" or something and nothing happen. I leave a "restoration" of one of the programs all night and nothing...
so I decided to make a hard rest to the phone. And the nighmare begins...
Once the phone boots, the first thing you see is the configuration of the motoblur account, so I just input my user and pass and hit next and nothing happens...
well, that's no true, it goes back to home screen of the motoblur configuration and ask me to do the account setup again, and again and again... you get the point. it's cycled or I remove something that does not allow the process to continue... and since I cannot configure the blur account, I cannot access the Phone to use it, or make a system nandroid backup, a restore of app o even make a phonecall that it's not a emergency (911) call.
I'm affraid to start messing with the phone since I'm located in Mexico, and my provider is telcel, so I don't know if all of the roms and hacks will leave my phone working in my country (I've only seen rom from argentina, china, europe, so I'm a little scared to start messing with the roms)
Is there any way to patch the motoblur 2.2.1 like in this post? http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...169038&page=68
can the phone be booted to install gingerbread without any special software installed? the phone was rooted, but since I made a hard reset, I don't know if it remains rooted...
help please
Hey there.
Hard reset only deletes any settings or apps you have applied/installed. Once you start playing with root and deleting system apps, the only way back is either restoring any backups of the system apps (if you made any, AND if it will even let you - one time I uninstalled the software that installed APK's by accident -__-) or you can flash your stock firmware (froyo) with RSD lite. If you made a nandroid backup with Clockwork mod recovery prior to messing with stuff, and can still enter CWM, you could restore that backup too.
All firmwares available here http://and-developers.com/sbf:milestone2
You can get RSD lite here http://www.motorolafans.com/forums/e6-general-chat/31983-flashing-tool-rsd-lite-v5-3-1-a.html
You have to go into bootloader (with phone off, hold the hardware key d-pad up and power button and release once powered on)
It's all pretty straight forward, download your SBF from that site, open rsd lite, load your sbf, enter bootloader, connect phone via usb, click start.
If you were only on froyo, you can only load CWM from the OS. So if droid2bootstapper and super user aren't there you probably can't install any of the gingerbread roms from this forum at this stage. EDIT whoops ignore that just re-read your post. Man, too many beers
Bottom line, garunteed you can just flash your stock firmware with rsd lite, root, install clockwork mod recovery and install the custom roms from then on!
Also a guide to restoring your ms2 is located here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1032372
Thanks! I'll do this right away and find out if I did it right.
Thanks a LOT! =D

[Q] Nook Touch + Market Stopped working

So i have a Nook Simple Touch I was using about 9 months ago, which fell to disuse for a bit for a variety of reasons. It's running 1.1.0, and is rooted.
I dusted it off to recently give it some more use again, and wanted to update some of the apps, but discovered that the Market doesn't seem to work anymore - I know it used to, but now, whenever I try to download anything, I get a dialog: "Download Errror: Download was unsuccessful, please try again." I've waited an extra day, as I remember that was originally necessary to complete the registration process, but still nothing. Searching (with Market Search) works, even for things I haven't looked up before, and it still recognizes my account, as I see my email, though I noticed that the Nook Touch doesn't get listed in the Google Play Store under devices.
Any ideas what might be going wrong here, or things to try? I'm also willing to upgrade to a newer firmware (1.2.1), but am not sure of the best method to update a rooted device. I can pull it into a separate post, but I'll include it here for now:
I'm sure I'l have to root again, but Is it possible to upgrade the rooted device and then simply re-root, or will I lose everything I've installed? Is it just better to wipe, update and re-root? If so, is there any convenient way to keep all of my settings?
Thanks!
mrgygar said:
So i have a Nook Simple Touch I was using about 9 months ago, which fell to disuse for a bit for a variety of reasons. It's running 1.1.0, and is rooted.
I dusted it off to recently give it some more use again, and wanted to update some of the apps, but discovered that the Market doesn't seem to work anymore - I know it used to, but now, whenever I try to download anything, I get a dialog: "Download Errror: Download was unsuccessful, please try again." I've waited an extra day, as I remember that was originally necessary to complete the registration process, but still nothing. Searching (with Market Search) works, even for things I haven't looked up before, and it still recognizes my account, as I see my email, though I noticed that the Nook Touch doesn't get listed in the Google Play Store under devices.
Any ideas what might be going wrong here, or things to try? I'm also willing to upgrade to a newer firmware (1.2.1), but am not sure of the best method to update a rooted device. I can pull it into a separate post, but I'll include it here for now:
I'm sure I'l have to root again, but Is it possible to upgrade the rooted device and then simply re-root, or will I lose everything I've installed? Is it just better to wipe, update and re-root? If so, is there any convenient way to keep all of my settings?
Thanks!
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Sad, no one wants to reply. Or perhaps no one knows.
Did a backup, and experimented. I couldn't update directly, so I wiped back to a stock ROM, and upgraded to 1.2.1. Rooted with ManualNooter, and the market worked. So I have no idea what was going on, but it works now. Sadly, a computer accident made me lose my backups (including unrooted images). But at least I've got something functional.
I am currently in the same boat with my NST (BNRV300) running rooted 1.1.2. I last installed and/or updated some Market apps successfully perhaps about a year ago, and have not made any other change to the Nook, so I am at a lost as to what might be the cause. Any pointers would be greatly appreciated.
For now, my workaround this problem is to download the desired app's apk file from an alternate source (e.g., APKPure) then side-load it onto the NST.
My guess would be that somehow your authtication with Google has been lost on the device.
If you go to the PlayStore on a computer do you see your NST listed as a device, and if so, when you select an app that way does it eventually appear on your NST?
Sent from my NST
nmyshkin said:
My guess would be that somehow your authtication with Google has been lost on the device.
If you go to the PlayStore on a computer do you see your NST listed as a device, and if so, when you select an app that way does it eventually appear on your NST?
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I think you are right -- my NST credential with the Playstore must have expired or more likely become invalid when I changed my password on my Gmail account.
If so I can't figure out how to re-validate the credential: I recall entering my Google login/password via the YouTube app during the course of rooting my NST using the MinimalTouch tool's 2-phase process, but now I can't even get the YouTube app to start (error message: ... problem starting up, please check your network connection and system time).
Look here
I responded to a related issue awhile back. Not sure if the info at the link might kick-start the signing in process.
Thanks for the pointer.
I decided to go the route of "factory reset, upgrade to 1.2.1 and re-root using Nook Manager", as simply re-rooting 1.1.2 using the old tool (Minimal Touch) is tedious & somewhat error-prone -- plus I'd like to try out 1.2.1.
That was what I would usually suggest but the farther I have gotten from that "day 1", the less likely I am to take/offer the same advice. I've made so many modifications at this point I don't think I'd ever get it back to its present state! Back up early and often...and, apparently, access the Market every so often, even if you don't want anything.
Good luck!

[Q] Weird, weird issue - Home button/notifications panel don't work

To preface,
I'm running an AT&T LG G2 rooted (with a couple of Xposed modules). I'm running 4.2.2
Today, I rebooted my phone after updating some apps from the play store, and then all hell broke loose. Here's a list of what went wrong
1) ALL of my settings were reset. Sound settings, call settings, screen on settings, etc. EVERYTHING.
2) My home button doesn't work. It lights up - it knows I pressed it, but it doesn't send me to the launcher. I have the home button programmed through Nova Launcher to open my voice search when I'm on the home screen - that doesn't work either.
3) My notifications panel stays empty - nothing shows up. On top of that, the little "gear" icon that should take me to settings doesn't work. There's a gear setting above that for sound that DOES work.
4) When I go to "About Phone", my phone name was reset to "G2".
4) Here's the kicker - When I go to "About Phone", the "Software Update" button has disappeared. What the hell happened?
If anybody can solve this issue, I have a small bitcoin prize for you...
Edit: Noticed something new. I went into Titanium Backup and it gave me a notification that my "Device ID" was changed. It states that this commonly occurs after a factory reset or ROM change? Here's the thing - I've never factory resetted my phone or even installed a recovery for that matter.
Notice #2: Volume keys don't respond. Although changing volume manually through the settings does work.
Quick note: I changed a value in settings.db using SQLite manager. I tried changing "tether_entitlement_check_state" to 0. And then I exported the DB and saved it. Would that have caused an issue?
well all hell really did break loose here, have you tried entering download mode and flash back to stock(I'm pretty sure this isn't you want to do) but it might be the only thing to do
XxZombiePikachu said:
well all hell really did break loose here, have you tried entering download mode and flash back to stock(I'm pretty sure this isn't you want to do) but it might be the only thing to do
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I don't have a custom recovery installed.
crazylilazn said:
I don't have a custom recovery installed.
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when I said flash back to stock I meant the download mode way just download jellybean 10d/10o or 20c installer and follow instructions on how to setup and flash
XxZombiePikachu said:
when I said flash back to stock I meant the download mode way just download jellybean 10d/10o or 20c installer and follow instructions on how to setup and flash
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Interesting. Thanks for the link. I wonder, other than hiding the "root" flags, how is this different from performing a factory reset? I would be opting to restore 4.2.2, not Kit Kat.
crazylilazn said:
Interesting. Thanks for the link. I wonder, other than hiding the "root" flags, how is this different from performing a factory reset? I would be opting to restore 4.2.2, not Kit Kat.
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well tis is different to a factory reset as in it makes everything the way it used to be like if you were just powering on your phone for the first time while with a factory reset- if you have lets say deleted bloat and modified anything in the /system or other areas they are gone forever, the factory reset is more like a wipe your phone and start again(sometimes if you are rooted it remains rooted just without the su app)
XxZombiePikachu said:
well tis is different to a factory reset as in it makes everything the way it used to be like if you were just powering on your phone for the first time while with a factory reset- if you have lets say deleted bloat and modified anything in the /system or other areas they are gone forever, the factory reset is more like a wipe your phone and start again(sometimes if you are rooted it remains rooted just without the su app)
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Alright then...hmm. Wait I have another question. Does a factory reset delete my internal memory, the pseudo sd-card? Like my photos/TB backup/etc.?
crazylilazn said:
Alright then...hmm. Wait I have another question. Does a factory reset delete my internal memory, the pseudo sd-card? Like my photos/TB backup/etc.?
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I'm pretty sure it does but I have always had doubts about that(I usually always wipe with custom recovery so I don't remember when was the last time I used factory reset option, plus I upload a most of my backups into onedrive/goole drive/dropbox) also using the flash to stock method will wipe everything from the phone like I said its like powering it on for the first time just in case you were wondering
XxZombiePikachu said:
I'm pretty sure it does but I have always had doubts about that(I usually always wipe with custom recovery so I don't remember when was the last time I used factory reset option, plus I upload a most of my backups into onedrive/goole drive/dropbox) also using the flash to stock method will wipe everything from the phone like I said its like powering it on for the first time just in case you were wondering
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Okay, so here's my plan. I'm currently ADB pulling my entire SD card (with the titanium backup contents) onto my laptop. I plan to factory reset (the default android one that's in the settings). If that doesn't work, I will use the other flash-to-stock method.
Once I'm done, I plan to use Titanium backup to restore everything including settings. Here's my question:
When I'm restoring everything, will it be 1-click? In the past when I had other phones, the only time I restored TB was when I flashed different ROMs, so it caused havoc with my settings. Since I'm keeping the stock-ROM software, will I be able to 1-click "Restore" and have everything be how it used to be (Except for the Xposed Modules of course) ?
Also...I really don't like how MTP hides the Titanium Backup folder...
crazylilazn said:
Okay, so here's my plan. I'm currently ADB pulling my entire SD card (with the titanium backup contents) onto my laptop. I plan to factory reset (the default android one that's in the settings). If that doesn't work, I will use the other flash-to-stock method.
Once I'm done, I plan to use Titanium backup to restore everything including settings. Here's my question:
When I'm restoring everything, will it be 1-click? In the past when I had other phones, the only time I restored TB was when I flashed different ROMs, so it caused havoc with my settings. Since I'm keeping the stock-ROM software, will I be able to 1-click "Restore" and have everything be how it used to be (Except for the Xposed Modules of course) ?
Also...I really don't like how MTP hides the Titanium Backup folder...
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well I don't think you can one click restore with titanium backup(I don't see that as an option) you have to restore everything manually
as for mtp hiding the backups, I'm on the same boat as you
XxZombiePikachu said:
well I don't think you can one click restore with titanium backup(I don't see that as an option) you have to restore everything manually
as for mtp hiding the backups, I'm on the same boat as you
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Referring to TB, you can set it to restore your backups with 1 click through "batch mode", but I believe you need to have the paid version.
Anyway, everything's fixed! I actually just put a recovery on it, and then deleted data and cache. That way my internal sd card didn't get wiped.
And I did a little more searching, it seems like modifying the sqlite database when you try to remove AT&T's tethering check causes the weird issue. I wonder if it's a secret backdoor program that makes your phone unusable...
crazylilazn said:
Referring to TB, you can set it to restore your backups with 1 click through "batch mode", but I believe you need to have the paid version.
Anyway, everything's fixed! I actually just put a recovery on it, and then deleted data and cache. That way my internal sd card didn't get wiped.
And I did a little more searching, it seems like modifying the sqlite database when you try to remove AT&T's tethering check causes the weird issue. I wonder if it's a secret backdoor program that makes your phone unusable...
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yea I decided to try out the SQLite tether and for a moment there my phone went crazy(lag/not responding to touch/etc) so I plugged in my mouse through otg and returned it to the default
XxZombiePikachu said:
yea I decided to try out the SQLite tether and for a moment there my phone went crazy(lag/not responding to touch/etc) so I plugged in my mouse through otg and returned it to the default
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Any other way to set up wireless tether? I've read that most wireless tether apps don't work. I haven't actually tried, but is that true?

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