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Most suitable ROM for Magic

So I've caved in to temptation and rooted my Magic. Now I'm looking for a suitable ROM - I've been into the Sapphire wiki and looked at the ones listed in there but they don't really explain what is on the ROMs.
What I am looking for is a ROM that contains Exchange sync, multitouch and browser with Flash, and most importantly - stability!
Also a few more questions - can I use the Android market if I have a custom ROM? I ask because in the ROM discussions I've noticed a lot talking about adding and removing software using the adb tool. Are there any other pitfalls I should be aware of, seeing as this my first time applying a new ROM.
TIA

Firstly what version of the magic do you have, 32A or 32B.
It's best to check out the rom development section and read what each rom is about there.
And yes you can still use the android market, the icon is still in all the custom roms.

Mine is the 32B - UK Vodefone.
The problem is the threads for those ROMs are sometimes more than 100 pages long with little or no descriptions about what is contained on them ... unless I am missing something

Well the ROMs will always be updated on the very first page, there's usually some kind of description as well of what is and whats not included.
As with all these things it's best to try each one out for yourself and see what you do and don't like.
As long as you use nandroid to backup your phone then you can always go back to the rom you were using before you falashed a new one.

I've tried installing Fatal1ty's 32B ROM from this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=531617
(Fatal1ty-Hero-Full-v1-4-zip)
Rename it in update.zip
copy to sd
reboot (pressing home+power)
wipe
apply update
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It said the update.zip was bad ...? Thank god for the nandroid backup (cheers for the advice on that one), I was restored and working again straight away on my old config ... but what went wrong? From doing a bit more reading, is it because the ROM isn't signed? Or should I just download the file again and try again - perhaps it corrupted somewhere along the way?

Can you provide the exact error you got?

st0kes said:
I've tried installing Fatal1ty's 32B ROM from this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=531617
(Fatal1ty-Hero-Full-v1-4-zip)
It said the update.zip was bad ...? Thank god for the nandroid backup (cheers for the advice on that one), I was restored and working again straight away on my old config ... but what went wrong? From doing a bit more reading, is it because the ROM isn't signed? Or should I just download the file again and try again - perhaps it corrupted somewhere along the way?
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I've been caught out with something like this before - make sure the zip you are downloading is the actuall update zip! Open it and check it only has the 3 folders and boot.img in it.
The update.zip maybe in the zip you have downloaded

But on a side note - the Hero Roms aren't suitable (yet) for the 32B's as the RAM is too small - wait until they cut it down a bit.
I would recommened either Nk2 or CyanogenMod [v3.6.8] && Palm Pre theme [1.5] ported
The second being the fastest i've used (rapid infact)

Cheers - I tried downloading the rom again and this time used adb push to copy and rename it to the sd card, tried again and it worked.
I agree with what you're saying about the hero rom needing some work though. I can't use touchflo or the weather app as they are too slow. Browser is also quite a lot slower than on the stock Voda UK firmware.
I really like HTC Peep and the facebook integration into my contacts, and the HTC keyboard is a lot better.
On your advice I'll give the CyanogenMod rom a try. I would like to find one good one and stick to it rather than become addicted to flashing the latest roms every week!

HELP ! ROM Update to Android 2.0 / 2.1

Hey Guys at first sorry for my english i'm not good in it. And I'm a Android newbie I just gained a bit exerience with my Touch Diamond but it's broken now..okay but that's not the probleme....
If got a question:
After about 2 days of searching for an android 2.0 or 2.1 ROM I was a little bit confused of the diffrent news everybody was talking about. I'm root on my Hero. That was the first an last thing I made with my device.
1. Everybody is gonna talk about MoDaCo 3.0 but when I was trying to download his ROM my browser never got a request. Is the site down, where that ROM is hosted ?? Could someone give me a working link with this ROM ??
2. Is there a ROM with Android 2.0 or 2.1 outside or even not ??? And if yes are they working well ???
Would be nice if someone can help me =) thanks a lot.
Please answer soon if you know something about that =)
Greetz BassdoxXx

you can get modaco's roms at his website, www.modaco.com.
in the android development section there are some 2.0/1 roms, none of them works flawless, see for yourself if it fits your needs.

Thanks a lot for your fast answer. =)
The problem that i couldn't open the modaco page was my isp -.- i downloaded it at school

BassdoxXx said:
Thanks a lot for your fast answer. =)
The problem that i couldn't open the modaco page was my isp -.- i downloaded it at school
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What? Does ISP's block that site? Lol, would never happened in Norway

there is a few 2.0+ roms out there for the hero.
most seem to be very usable now.
best sense ui would be lox/behnaam community release on 1.6.
http://htcpedia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1448
there are two aosp roms worth looking at.
lox aosp ( im using that on a daily basis)
http://htcpedia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1416
jnwhiteh aosp
http://htcpedia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1528

Hello all,
I am having very specific request when it comes to choosing a proper rom for install on to my hero.
I am blind. Stock roms are only running Android 1.5. More robust accessibility features are available starting with Android 1.6 and improving even more with Android 2.0.
So for sure I am forced to upgrade my hand set.
There are various roms, some of their authors have even disable google specific features so I know I can't install such a rom.
All the accessibility efforts are being lead by the google developers.
Most likely these accessibility tools won't be usefull to most of you but please can anyone recommend me a rom where market is working and where the following applications can be installed and used?
- eyesfree suite of applications,
- talkback - the google screen reader for android,
- tts service.
All possible help is already appreciated.

sorry for the double posting. I've accidentally posted twice and I am unable to remove the post.
Hope anybody can help me please.

pvdeejay said:
Hello all,
I am having very specific request when it comes to choosing a proper rom for install on to my hero.
I am blind. Stock roms are only running Android 1.5. More robust accessibility features are available starting with Android 1.6 and improving even more with Android 2.0.
So for sure I am forced to upgrade my hand set.
There are various roms, some of their authors have even disable google specific features so I know I can't install such a rom.
All the accessibility efforts are being lead by the google developers.
Most likely these accessibility tools won't be usefull to most of you but please can anyone recommend me a rom where market is working and where the following applications can be installed and used?
- eyesfree suite of applications,
- talkback - the google screen reader for android,
- tts service.
All possible help is already appreciated.
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i am on mcr3.0, i looked in the market, i can find 8 apps for eyesfree, tts is one of these. i didn't try to install one of these, but usually it works. the search for talkback returned nothing.
not that i want to be rude, but wouldn't you be better off with another phone if you are blind? i can not imagine a touchscreen only phone would be suitable for someone who is not able to see... especially because there are great devices out there that have a full qwerty keyboard, and come with android 2.0 out of the box... imho this would be a better solution.
again, the last thing i want to be is rude, but maybe this was your mistake: you posted in the htc hero section of this forum, the hero is a touch screen only device, including a virtual keyboard on the screen. it has only six buttons and a trackball, and two rocker buttons for the volume. just to make clear we are talking about the same device
if you are still up for the hero you could try the 2.1 rom from here: http://htcpedia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=30418&posted=1#post30418
best you try for yourself, it has some drawbacks, but maybe in areas you don't need (afaik syncing with exchange does not work for example, which wouldn't be a problem for me...). otherwise it might be worth to wait another week or two, we all are waiting unpatiently for the official eclair release from htc
keep asking if you need to know more, but maybe open a new thread, since your problems are very specific, and might drown between all the newbies question about "how to root my phone".

Hello,
Thanks for your reply and a great attitude.
Yes it may sound strange I have really got HTC Hero here. I know I'll be having problems with virtual keyboard but also I am afraid accessibility features of Android phones are not really such mastered one can use it daily. For example reading emails and content from the web browser is not yet possible. I just want to try how things work and I would also like to touch the virtual keyboard. If I can memorize computer keyboard and use it daily, typewriter keyboard, nokia mobile phone keyboard, then perhaps I might be able to make some use of this too.
I am sory but here are some more questions:
I haven't yet verified with some sighted friends but... is it possible my hero is running even older version of android like Android 1.5? I've based the assumption that it's most likelly running 1.5 because majority of the devices I was reading on the net are running it.
You've been triyng to locate eyes-free applications on the market but you were unable to find talkback. Are you sure you are running newer version of Android than 1.5?
Talkback is supposed to be installed with Android 1.6 andd 2.0 by default and you should be able to find it in the accessibility menu of your phone. I am not sure how well this applies to the custom roms.
Talkback requires google's accessibility api which is reported to be available on Android 1.6 upwards.
To tell you the full story first I've asked on the eyes-free google group whether some accessibility experts from there can help me but no one knowledgeable enough has replied to my query, so I'm trying my luck here then.
Oh I am really excited since I've got really well formed informative reply.
Thanks again
Edit:
Also, I've seen somewhere in the forums here this leaked HTC rom does not support the market. Has this been rectified already? You know if market does not work then most likelly I won't be able to install these applications I am tallking about.
Also you are mentioning possibility to wait a few weeks until HTC guys role out the official update for Hero. Wouldn't that break chances I will be able to root my device later?
Edit2:
Ooops, I should read better next time. Market works on this rom. The problem is paid apps can't be installed which is hopefully not a big issue for me since most of the accessibility enabled applications are free.
Which of the downloads from Hero 21 do I need?
63.18.55.06JU_6.35.09.26) or No Wipe Download. I will need a wipe I am sure but since this link says nowipe I am ehmmm. confused.

pvdeejay,
Unfortunately there is not an 'official' update for Android 1.6, 2.0 or 2.1 as of yet. There are rumours of one coming out soon, but nothing cast-iron yet.
You are correct in that the Hero runs 1.5. It does say it under Settings | About Phone (bottom item on list)| Firmware Version (bottom on list again), although without a working screen reader, there is probably little use in knowing how to find that.
If you did want to upgrade, I'm sure plenty of people could help find a ROM that would suit. The only issue with that is that you would need a rooted phone with a custom recovery image installed. Unfortunately, a lot of the procedures would not be easy for you, as the software that you might need to use to go through the procedure is probably not designed that well for accessibility tools. I don't know what kind of software you are using, but some of the instructions for making goldcards are quite complex, and involve editing some numbers in a 'table' which could be quite difficult for you, I would imagine.
I'm sure a friend would be able to help you out with making a goldcard/rooting if you did want to install a custom ROM (you'll probably be waiting a while otherwise ). They could even root their phone while doing yours (just share the goldcard between the devices).
Nonetheless, there is probably a ROM out there with little removed from it. I'll have a look just now, but you would need to have your phone rooted to do anything just now.

When it comes to rooting and installing custom recovery image. Do you thing the following instructions might work for me?
These instructions don't require a gold card:
- How to Root HTC Hero and Install Amon Ra Recovery Image
- How to install a custom rom on a HTC Hero

Hello,
Here are some numbers I've asked my friend to read from system -> about screen. The phone interface is in czech so I am unable to get some names translated to english, but I believe some of the geeks will understand these identifiers and might be able to help me what is best:
Code:
firmware: 1,5
63.118.55.O6U|6.35.04.25
2.6.27-a5504199
Build number: 1.76.405.6 146733 CL# 47214 release-keys
Software version: 1.0.0.A6288

pvdeejay,
to sum it up:
the hero definitly runs on android 1.5. there are no roms for older android versions, and a few homebrewn for newer versions, as we said already.
i searched for talkbalk on my 1.5 rom, so it is obvious that i couldn't find it...
about rooting of newer roms: it is just a matter of time, sooner or later there will be always methods of rooting a rom. what i meant by waiting is: wait until the official update is out, then wait a few more hours until the first rooted and customized rom is out

@pvdeejay,
I would have to agree with kendong2 that waiting for the official ROM is probably the best idea for you at the moment. There are no guarantees that an unofficial ROM would help, and it would be another user interface to try and learn.
@kendon,
I noticed he has the original, easily rooted version of the hero. IIRC, that is what I had on my G2 (and had the security unlocked bootloader out the box). If that's the case, would pvdeejay be able to 'fastboot boot' a full system img file for the purposes of testing it out to see if it meets the requirements.
The reason I ask is that I've only ever fastbooted my AmonRA recovery (I didn't flash it, because I never felt any need to). I'm guessing you could fastboot a full img, but I'm not sure about the practical issues of where it would be stored in memory...

Sorry guys originally I believed I am slowly getting into the matter and am begining to understand how flashing / rooting / upgrading home brew firmwares works on these phones.
After these 2 posts I feel like a total noob again.
Now again some very concrete questions:
What about these 2 guides I've posted links to?
Can I somehow got [Recovery] [13-Dec-2009] RA-hero-v1.5.2 installed so I will be able to do nandroid backup and then possibly flash some new roms?
Can I really brick my phone by trying to install amon ra?
Originally I thought the process works as follows:
1) get the custom recovery image installed (that's the amon ra in this case),
2) do a nandroid backup which will dump everything usefull on to the memory card,
3) backup and reformat the card,
4) download a rom, rename it to update.zip, put it onto the root folder of the cart, reboot the hero in recovery mode, do the wipe of the data partition, and run update,
5) reboot again and believe it's good.
Also some very significant bit is the thing you are all calling the radio. I am afraid I've not identified this bit thus it's missing in this summary.
Which files will I need to download if I decide to try Android 2.1 community edition 1.8? Are these files I've copied links to a few posts earlier both needed?
Can you please check this list, identify the things I am missing, and make suggestions and corrections why this may not work on my device based off of those number I tried to put down here?
Even if I won't be able to do this right now I'd be happy to get corrections as I can learn something new.
Of course I won't be doing all this on my own. I will ask my bro to read all the stuff to me and we'll do it according to your advices.
To give some bits about me and my computer skills, I believe I am a Windows power user, Basically I do also understand unix, I know what's bash how the files are arranged in a file system, can use command-line tools, telnet, ssh. I am working as a network administrator here so some background is there really.

Hi pvdeejay,
Answers to your questions here.
You can actually use fastboot to 'temporarily' load up the AmonRA recovery image into memory and run it from there. I do that on my phone, for the simple reason that I can't be bothered ) ) to flash the recovery. Once you get AmonRA running, the first thing you should do is make a Nandroid backup. It will be saved to your SD card, so then get the nandroid directory of your card and save it to your PC (just in case!)
So, here's how you'd go about this.
(Make sure you have the android sdk installed, and that adb and fastboot commands are working). USB cable should be plugged in throughout.
Before you begin, put the ROM you want (ie. Android 2.1 community edition 1.8) into the root of the microSD card (a .zip file).
Code:
adb devices
Should list your phone's serial number
Now turn off the phone, and turn it on with the back key held down (the one at the very bottom right of the device).
You should enter fastboot mode. Now type
Code:
fastboot devices
and you should see the serial number again.
Now type
Code:
fastboot boot AmonRA.img
where AmonRA.img is a file in your present working directory that is the filename of the latest custom recovery image. This does NOT flash your phone, it merely runs the image (pretty much as close as you get to risk free, other than sitting there with a tinfoil hat on )
See screenshot of the recovery image here:
http://www.sizzledcore.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/RA-hero-recovery-image-500x375.jpg
Make the Nandroid backup by choosing 'Nandroid Vx.x Backup' and waiting a while.
If your ROM needs a wipe first (most new ones do), select Wipe data/factory reset. You will lose all your user data on the device (but you've got a nandroid backup just in case)
You're now good to go. So choose "Apply sdcard:choose zip"
Now select the custom ROM zip file you downloaded. It doesn't even need to be called update.zip! Choose it from the list and push trackball.
Wait for the update.zip to go in. Do NOT turn off the device or pull the battery. First boot can take a very long time (upto 30 minutes). Just keep it plugged in via USB and wait...
As for radios, see http://android.modaco.com/content/h...-24-11-hero-roms-radios-in-update-zip-format/ and look at the section titled radios. The latest one is in bold. It is a .zip file as well, that you use these exact same instructions for to install (don't do the wipe or anything like that. Just install the .zip file)

anon2122 said:
@kendon,
I noticed he has the original, easily rooted version of the hero. IIRC, that is what I had on my G2 (and had the security unlocked bootloader out the box). If that's the case, would pvdeejay be able to 'fastboot boot' a full system img file for the purposes of testing it out to see if it meets the requirements.
The reason I ask is that I've only ever fastbooted my AmonRA recovery (I didn't flash it, because I never felt any need to). I'm guessing you could fastboot a full img, but I'm not sure about the practical issues of where it would be stored in memory...
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this is correct so far, i did the same, except i installed the recovery. i play a lot with my phone, the installed recovery image with the nandroid backup is the best i have ever seen for a phone...
@pvdeejay
you always write so much...
i try to answer everything:
the two guides you posted are good for your situation. i never tried flashrec, but from what i read it is safe to use. i installed my recovery image through fastboot, the guide is here: http://android.modaco.com/content/h...ng-the-patched-recovery-image-on-your-device/
i have no idea how this works out for you, but my honest suggestion would be that you have someone seeing assisting you, you CAN brick your phone, though it is not likely if you follow the instructions precisely. the process is not very time consuming at all, so you don't need to bother anyone for days of their time.
edit: and now i read your post to the end and saw that your brother will be helping you, so you are on the right track
once you have the recovery installed you can make nandroid backups, and i would suggest that you do this first thing after installing the recovery, better make a backup too much than one too less...
the 5 steps you described are correct, except there is no need to rename the zipfile anymore, you can select any .zip from your sdcard.
the radio part is the number that begins with 63.18.55.06, then comes two letters and then more numbers. as by now the version can be identified by the letters, with JU being the up-to-date one. in general you can say the newer the better, but you have to try for yourself. start with the newest one, if you have problems go back.

thanks this seems to be pretty doable plus I will easily be able to restore the current data backed using nandroid backup.
Which android SDK do I need the latest one?
The commands I need to type are supposed to be typed on the PC or on the phone? I assume on the PC but I just would like to ensure.
Hero21 1.8 community edition has a recommended radio listed in the first post. Is it necessary to install that one as well? What should I install first the actual rom or the radio? Do I need installing radio at all? Should i do the same with radio i.e. renaming it to update.zip and using amonra to install it?
Also will I be able to use this method even if I install another rom (running amonra without actually flashing it)?
Edit:
sorry guys did not realize renaming to update.zip is no longer needed.
Edit2:
is there an easy way on how to access sd card from windows? I can't just remove the card from phone and insert it into my laptop because I don't have the proper adapter. Previously my boss was using the hero and perhaps it would be nice to backup the sd card first.
Edit3:
uhmmm, installing android sdk is perhaps not as simple as it sounds.
I have just seen this article.
I am on a limited gprs internet connection, can you please suggest sdk features I won't need to save some download bandwith?

- you need only the adb binary (thats adb.exe for windows) from the sdk, the rest is not needed for this.
- install the radio from the 2.1community-rom-thread, it is the newest. install the radio first. DO NOT PULL THE BATTERY until the phone has rebooted completely. if you pull the battery during radio upgrade your phone will be dead. it takes a few minutes, do not panic!
- you can copy the contents of the sdcard via the usb-cable, plug it into your pc and pull down the notification bar...

Do I need to run SDK Setup.exe when I have downloaded android sdk for windows?
Or can I simply run that binary from the command-line without the installation?
Do I need any USB drivers so my phone can be recognized?

Eris Dual Boot ROM

I'm posting this in General as I don't have the knowledge to port this or develop a similar version for the Slide and I don't want to clutter up the Development forum.
Team ADX over in the Droid Eris forum came up with this gem; a dual boot Eclair Sense/2.2 AOSP ROM. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=824072
I don't know if this can be done on our phones, but I thought it possible as you don't need to flash a custom recovery.

man this would awesome... the best of both worlds, run and "stock" ROM so we can still receive updates and still have CM.

i was actually thinking about dual boot just the other day! i dont feel like id be switching back and forth from 2 roms but itd be a great feature for those who do. unfortunately i dont think we have that much developers :/

I was reading the instructions for it and it looks like we'll have to wait for S-OFF before we can try it.
Part of the scripting is telling the phone how to partition the phone, sizes of those partitions, and so on. The slide is, generally speaking, un-brickable and it's the measures used to give us that luxury that also prevent us from doing so much like R/W on the system while in a non-recovery boot and changes we do make while booted are just wiped on reboot *sigh* man I love that ramdisk image.
Once we get S-OFF let's get this project started

KCRic said:
I was reading the instructions for it and it looks like we'll have to wait for S-OFF before we can try it.
Part of the scripting is telling the phone how to partition the phone, sizes of those partitions, and so on. The slide is, generally speaking, un-brickable and it's the measures used to give us that luxury that also prevent us from doing so much like R/W on the system while in a non-recovery boot and changes we do make while booted are just wiped on reboot *sigh* man I love that ramdisk image.
Once we get S-OFF let's get this project started
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I don't think S-OFF is the issue. The partitioning instructions only refer to sdcard. This command:
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mkpartfs primary fat32 0 3500 (can be adjusted to your needs. This partition will be used by the 2.1 rom and by recovery)
I think is only for the phone ROM storage and the for the recovery to find the boot scripts. According to the instructions, they're only partitioning the sdcard to run the AOSP ROM in it. They install the 2.1 Sense ROM to the phone, get it set up, run the boottosd script to boot into the 2.2 AOSP ROM on the sdcard, then set that up and run the boottophone script to go back to 2.1 Sense. They're running a ROM on the sdcard!
As I said before, I think something like this can work for our phones because it doesn't require flashing a recovery. The problem is we don't have the devs to do it.

heybobitsme said:
I don't think S-OFF is the issue. The partitioning instructions only refer to sdcard. This command:
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mkpartfs primary fat32 0 3500 (can be adjusted to your needs. This partition will be used by the 2.1 rom and by recovery)
I think is only for the phone ROM storage and the for the recovery to find the boot scripts. According to the instructions, they're only partitioning the sdcard to run the AOSP ROM in it. They install the 2.1 Sense ROM to the phone, get it set up, run the boottosd script to boot into the 2.2 AOSP ROM on the sdcard, then set that up and run the boottophone script to go back to 2.1 Sense. They're running a ROM on the sdcard!
As I said before, I think something like this can work for our phones because it doesn't require flashing a recovery. The problem is we don't have the devs to do it.
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I'll take a look. No promises as I'm an übernoob but I would love to have this.
Sent from my T-Mobile myTouch 3G Slide using XDA App

migueltherocker said:
I'll take a look. No promises as I'm an übernoob but I would love to have this.
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You won't be able to do a simple port. I posted about it more of as a proof of concept. Take the same idea, but obviously using our espresso sense and CM6.

heybobitsme said:
I don't think S-OFF is the issue. The partitioning instructions only refer to sdcard. This command:
Code:
mkpartfs primary fat32 0 3500 (can be adjusted to your needs. This partition will be used by the 2.1 rom and by recovery)
I think is only for the phone ROM storage and the for the recovery to find the boot scripts. According to the instructions, they're only partitioning the sdcard to run the AOSP ROM in it. They install the 2.1 Sense ROM to the phone, get it set up, run the boottosd script to boot into the 2.2 AOSP ROM on the sdcard, then set that up and run the boottophone script to go back to 2.1 Sense. They're running a ROM on the sdcard!
As I said before, I think something like this can work for our phones because it doesn't require flashing a recovery. The problem is we don't have the devs to do it.
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Ok that makes sense. I thought it was pointing to the partitions on the phone telling it to format to a different size for some reason. Then what's preventing us from doing this? Just a lack of a proper script?

I have not poked around with how they are going about doing everything, but I was the one who got the ball rolling with my dual boot linux script. Conap took the basic setup and made some changes to just install them both on the phone and sdcard. Here is the basic of what it is doing....
The init.rc file found in boot.img has been modified for the froyo rom on the sdcard. The lines where it mounts [email protected] , [email protected], and [email protected] have been changed to the partitions on the sdcard (/dev/block/mcblk0px) The updater-script for froyo has been modified to flash the rom to the partitions on the sdcard. There are some gscripts which are ran from the phone that either modify or replace the boot.img for the rom you want to boot into.
The froyo ROM is running completely off the sdcard and the recovery is left untouched. The script that is required if you are using clockworks is because clockworks sbin and folder locations are setup a little different. I was running into some problems with froyo not recognizing the sdcard after making more than 4 partitions. Several had reported to me that their phones also did not recognize the sdcard, but the Eris phones somehow still did. I am working on something that should run from all android phones and allow you the option of installing whatever ROM you want.
One Last Thing..
Anyone is capable of learning how to do some development work. It just takes some patience and "Google". I had no knowledge of linux or any other scripting languages, except windows batch scripts, until 3 months ago.
There is not much activity on my thread, but once I get a working version finished it will be posted there-----Dual Boot Android

When you get it done and own working, post it in development. I only posted the thread in general because I knew I wasn't going to be the one to develop it. I'm a welder by trade and java and linux are a little beyond me. Although I am trying as I'm using Ubuntu as my main OS and starting reading java tutorials.
Sent from my CM6 Slide

heybobitsme said:
You won't be able to do a simple port. I posted about it more of as a proof of concept. Take the same idea, but obviously using our espresso sense and CM6.
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If there was ever a reason to get a dev started on a project, this would be it. I would reconsider upgrading from the Slide if we had something this awesome.

unCoRrUpTeD said:
I was running into some problems with froyo not recognizing the sdcard after making more than 4 partitions. Several had reported to me that their phones also did not recognize the sdcard, but the Eris phones somehow still did. [/URL]
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From what I understand, android can not *see* more than 4 partitions so they had to do something a bit different. Somewhere in the thread that's linked it states what they did to get it to work.

s off is tmobs response to....
KCRic said:
I was reading the instructions for it and it looks like we'll have to wait for S-OFF before we can try it.
Part of the scripting is telling the phone how to partition the phone, sizes of those partitions, and so on. The slide is, generally speaking, un-brickable and it's the measures used to give us that luxury that also prevent us from doing so much like R/W on the system while in a non-recovery boot and changes we do make while booted are just wiped on reboot *sigh* man I love that ramdisk image.
Once we get S-OFF let's get this project started
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The "companies" wanted s-off due to the large number of brix getting returned for handest exchange and assurion claims, just to figure out somebody pooched sumthin up trying to be a HAXOR, if you haven't done anything like this before. Id suggest peeps get a g1 or some other root & rom-o-matic type for and play with it till you take on your brand new handset trying to install some bleenin edge hack...
You gotta learn to wank off before you can try it with somebody else in the room.
I remember my early days at xda, hacking my mda, xcaliber, and esato hacking SonyEricsson fones before they jumped the shark. People who had the ability to read and follow directions (emphasis on the read part) would study till they were sure they would still have a working fone at the end. Hung out and did great stuff with there handsets. And the noobs were wary enough to investigate before they just started mucking about.
So the handset manu. Had to do sumthin and now we have s-off.
the moral of my high and mighty rant an rave, if you don't know how to do sumthing or if you understand what to do but not the why, then keep reading, read more do less

KCRic said:
From what I understand, android can not *see* more than 4 partitions so they had to do something a bit different. Somewhere in the thread that's linked it states what they did to get it to work.
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In the newest builds they have 2.1 system on the phones system partition and froyo system on the phones data partition. The data is moved to the SD. 2.1 and previous Rome had no problem with extra partitions on the sdcard.froyo changed the way it mounts the sdcard and could only see 4.
I am actually releasing a dual boot method very shortly that should work on any android phone with very little setup required on your part. I am in the process of finalizing it. Anyone interested in testing please let me know as I want to test on as many devices ad possible
Sent from my HERO200 using XDA App

benefit of root ?

Hi guys. May i know what's the benefit of rooting a phone? Still noob on this
Btw, how to install those application downloaded from Market into Memory card eh? I found that the internal memory is getting smaller until not enuf to install tons of things already
I know app like angry birds can move to SD.
Hope to get some answer and thanks
ADDON: Mine now running 2.1 which updated around end of last month.

The Advantages are:
- Apps2SD
- Tethering (Wifi/USB/Bluetooth)
And basically this are the most important advantages if you get root on Android 2.1

But from what i read from the android dev forum, it seems that 2.1 still unable to get root, right?

You can also
- Remove pre-installed apps and demo versions (and timescape and default home screen if you want)
- Use Titanium Backup
- Use JiT (Just in Time compiler), which is a hack that is supposed to speed up your phone quite a bit. At least I can testify to my phone being quite snappy after finally getting everything right.
Pretty much a rooted 2.1 gives you a jury-rigged but well working version of 2 of the best features from 2.2... app2sd and JiT.
You can root 2.1 if you don't mind a bit of reading and manual labor. Or that is... you can't root the one you're already running. You have to wipe your phone and install a pre-rooted 2.1 image. Details in these threads:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=876868
and/or
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=880576
I'd go for the latter method. The image supplied in the first version is quite customized, and may not be to everyones liking.
I advise doing quite a bit of reading through those threads if you're completely new to this. It's not hard, but it's easy to screw up and end up back at square 1. Be warned that you have to setup your phone and re-install all apps once the process is complete.... unless you made a backup with Titanium on a rooted 1.6.

All right Will try to dig out some information from the development threads
Thanks for your info, too.
This is my gf's phone which i bought her and now she complained not enuf space, haha ...

[Q] Help. Big noob with legend andriod.

Hey guys,
First and foremost, I would like to say I have no idea about anything, and everything on this website is in a foreign language to me (can't understand anything), so please bear with me. I set up a new thread because after reading everything, I still don't get anything (being a noob).
I just signed up with vodaphone in australia to get a HTC Legend (my first android and smart phone after using n73 for the last 3years). Everything is going fine until I wanted to get apps from the android market. I didnt have a gmail account, so I signed up for one through my computer. However, when i tried signing in through the phone google account set-up wizard, after waiting 5mins for the phone to communicate with google servers, it fails and the phone would not let me, citing that it cant establish a reliable data connection to the server, being a temporary problem (Tried it with both 3G and wi-fi, also with 2 other friend's log-in). Any help on this would be good. Also, with HTC sync 3.0, I was unable to sync and backup all my sms for a factory reset. Is there any other ways to do this without the apps? Additionally, I cannot update my software to Froyo (Firmware 2.2) FOTA or finding a download for it onto my comp as the phone says my software is up-to-date (But HTC Australia shows that there is an update for Software 2.2 FOTA).
Alright, I know what goes through your mind, get the apps to do that, but without the sign-up for gmail settings, I cant access Market, cant download apps, basically cant do anything (and mind you, I dont know about programming or xda or anything of that sort to check the shell script or whatever that goes on in the forum).
I've went around looking for answers but never really got a definition, mostly about how-to's which I am not interested as I have no idea what they are.
What is flashing?
What is rooting?
What is un-branded or Vodaphone branded (in my case, if it makes sense)?
What is a goldcard and what's it for?
Is RUU or custom rom or rom the same thing? does that have to do with my firmware? and what is it?
What's with downgrading and upgrading for other stuff (to versions 1.1/1.3)?
What is Clockwork and Fastmode and all those other stuff?
What's the latest firmware/software for Legend (2.2 or 3.0) as I have read threads with firmware 1.3 or 3.3 (or something of that sort)?
I know I AM the biggest noob you guys will ever find. Seriously, no websites actually explain all these stuff, and I'm getting paranoid over using an android phone. I know you guys might just tell me to get a simpler phone, but I upgraded to an android to know more about it.
Thanks in advance guys, if any help can be provided. I have a cool phone, but I wanna use it fully.
Regards,
William
Firmware version
2.1-update1
Baseband version
47.39.35.09U_7.08.35.21
Kernel version
2.6.29-8d705e0d
[email protected] #1
Build number
2.10.178.1 CL211993 release key
Software number
2.10.178.1
Browser version
Webkit 3.1

http://lifehacker.com/5717356/set-u...tm_campaign=Feed:+lifehacker/full+(Lifehacker)
^ To know more about your Android.
Try various Wi-fi settings till you get proper Wi-Fi signal.
http://zubu.ca/legend/fota_check.php shows that there is no update available for your build, I suggest you debrand.
I just helped about with the basics, the more experienced people will be able to answer you better. Did you get a black Legend?

hey man, thanks for that. mightily helpful.
however, wat do u mean by various settings for wifi? there arent much to set.
also, what do u mean by debranding as well? like not go vodaphone or smtg like dat?
btw, i have a silver Legend i think? the metallic case.

marder101 said:
Hey guys,
First and foremost, I would like to say I have no idea about anything, and everything on this website is in a foreign language to me (can't understand anything), so please bear with me. I set up a new thread because after reading everything, I still don't get anything (being a noob).
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Be prepared to learn, and to become less of a noob
marder101 said:
I just signed up with vodaphone in australia to get a HTC Legend (my first android and smart phone after using n73 for the last 3years). Everything is going fine until I wanted to get apps from the android market. I didnt have a gmail account, so I signed up for one through my computer. However, when i tried signing in through the phone google account set-up wizard, after waiting 5mins for the phone to communicate with google servers, it fails and the phone would not let me, citing that it cant establish a reliable data connection to the server, being a temporary problem (Tried it with both 3G and wi-fi, also with 2 other friend's log-in). Any help on this would be good.
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Hmm, I got that once before. If there's a different wifi network that you can get access to, try that.
marder101 said:
Also, with HTC sync 3.0, I was unable to sync and backup all my sms for a factory reset. Is there any other ways to do this without the apps?
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There are apps on the market, if you can sort the issue above then check those out.
marder101 said:
Additionally, I cannot update my software to Froyo (Firmware 2.2) FOTA or finding a download for it onto my comp as the phone says my software is up-to-date (But HTC Australia shows that there is an update for Software 2.2 FOTA).
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Yes, some users still haven't received the update. A debrand will help
marder101 said:
Alright, I know what goes through your mind, get the apps to do that, but without the sign-up for gmail settings, I cant access Market, cant download apps, basically cant do anything (and mind you, I dont know about programming or xda or anything of that sort to check the shell script or whatever that goes on in the forum).
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You are correct, I have said about apps. If you temproot using visionary you can install Titanium backup which can backup everything. Both of these are available for "sideloading". Without a file manager on your phone I can't think of an easy way to install them. What I'd do is go to the settings, make sure USB debuging is on (Settings --> applications --> development) and then use adb to install it:
Code:
adb devices
adb install Visionary.apk
adb install Titanium-Backup.apk
This is assuming that you rename the files to Visionary and Titanium-Backup, and have them in the same directory as ADB. For an easy installation of ADB do this:
Download this file and unzip it to C:\Android\ADB\
Open cmd (start orb/button, type "cmd" and hit enter)
In cmd do this:
Code:
cd C:\Android\ADB
Now you can use the adb command listed above. If you have the apk files in the same folder you can pretty much copy-paste those commands
marder101 said:
I've went around looking for answers but never really got a definition, mostly about how-to's which I am not interested as I have no idea what they are.
What is flashing?
What is rooting?
What is un-branded or Vodaphone branded (in my case, if it makes sense)?
What is a goldcard and what's it for?
Is RUU or custom rom or rom the same thing? does that have to do with my firmware? and what is it?
What's with downgrading and upgrading for other stuff (to versions 1.1/1.3)?
What is Clockwork and Fastmode and all those other stuff?
What's the latest firmware/software for Legend (2.2 or 3.0) as I have read threads with firmware 1.3 or 3.3 (or something of that sort)?
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Flashing is the process of writing a new operating system to NAND (internal) memory, otherwise known as flash memory
Rooting is like gaining administrator rights on a Windows PC. On Unix-like systems (Android, Linux, OSX) this is known as the root account, hence "rooting"
Vodafone branded means that Vodafone has it's logos and apps on there. Think of the ROM on your phone as a custom ROM, made by Vodafone. You need to wait for Vodafone to update it. Un-branded simply mean that all of that is gone, it's like having the ROM that HTC meant for it. So we only need to wait for HTC to update it
A goldcard is an SD card that has been specially prepared for making the phone think it's CID is different. I don't fully understand how it works, all we need to know is that it does, and that we need one for rooting
ROM and firmware are the same thing RUU is "ROM Upgrade Utility". It's a method made by HTC for upgrading the phones firmware. A custom ROM is simply a ROM that's been customised. It may be based on the official ROM from HTC, or the open source version of Android
ClockworkMOD is an open source recovery image. It allows us to do full backups of the NAND memory (nandroid backup), as well as easily installing new ROMs/updates. These come in zip files Fastboot is a way to test stuff quickly. It allows you to flash certain parts of a ROM without the need to flash the whole thing, as well as boot from a kernel that isn't flahed to the device. It's a dev thing
The latest version of Android for the Legend (officially) is 2.2. HTC firmwares follow a different numbering scheme. HTC ROMs v. 1.x and 2.x are based on Android 2.1, and v. 3.x is based on 2.2
marder101 said:
I know I AM the biggest noob you guys will ever find. Seriously, no websites actually explain all these stuff, and I'm getting paranoid over using an android phone. I know you guys might just tell me to get a simpler phone, but I upgraded to an android to know more about it.
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Get learnin'
I hope this helps

@GrammarFreak:
Thanks for your post! Even though I thought I kinda understood most things, this cleared a lot up for me!
RMWessels

No worries

ishan_rulz said:
http://lifehacker.com/5717356/set-u...tm_campaign=Feed:+lifehacker/full+(Lifehacker)
^ To know more about your Android.
Try various Wi-fi settings till you get proper Wi-Fi signal.
http://zubu.ca/legend/fota_check.php shows that there is no update available for your build, I suggest you debrand.
I just helped about with the basics, the more experienced people will be able to answer you better. Did you get a black Legend?
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Hello her last day i got a new legend and it was black and it looks like my old htc hero