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I unboxed my X10 today, and found that besides the relatively more obvious protective film I taken off once I opened the box, there is a EXTRA, very well positioned film on the top of the glass. If you look closely enough, you will see the edge of the extra film from the actual glass underneath. Does anyone else notice the same or is it just me? Is that really just one more layer of protective film or it is part of the material of the glass?
Yes, it comes with one pre-applied screen protector and one inside the box!
Out of interest what sized microSD card was included? Mine came with 16GB (Nordic version).
If I understood it right from the webpage I ordered mine from. does mine come with 8 GB
So how to take it off?
It's driving me insane....and why does a SCRATCH-RESSISTANT screen need a pre-applied screen protector???
So has anyone tried to remove the pre applied fim? I'm so against to use any kind of film on my touch screen device.
ivansee said:
So has anyone tried to remove the pre applied fim? I'm so against to use any kind of film on my touch screen device.
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I hate it too...so i just removed it
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I actually got 2 ADDITIONAL screen protectors :-/ and mine came with 8gb card so ordering a 16gb one online
The "pre applied protector" is the one SE calls scratch resistant, I think. "Shutter proof sheet on mineral glass".
Take a look at the X10 white paper: developer.sonyericsson.com/getDocument.do?docId=102192
brodos123 said:
The "pre applied protector" is the one SE calls scratch resistant, I think. "Shutter proof sheet on mineral glass".
Take a look at the X10 white paper: developer.sonyericsson.com/getDocument.do?docId=102192
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As far as i know mineral glass is in itself "scratch proof". But that doesn't mean it can't be scratched of course. It means minor pocket scratches are avoided.
"Mineral glass is ordinary tempered glass made from silica. It is more scratch resistant than Plexiglass which is a plastic also used for watch crystals."
So if infact it is mineral glass there is no need for an extra layer of protection.
I'm not quite sure what "shutter proof sheet" is but seems strange that this screen should need one when other mineral glass screens do not.
Also should point out that for me it seems identical to the included "screen protector" in both size, thickness and consistency.
I'll report back if scratches start appearing on my screen. I'll give it 7 days of normal use(as i used my iPhone, Hero, LG Arena) to see if any scratches start appearing, but I doubt they will.
I didn't receive my X10 yet, but isn't the 'protective' film used to make the screen more fingerprint resistive?
Vin87 said:
I didn't receive my X10 yet, but isn't the 'protective' film used to make the screen more fingerprint resistive?
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No, infact there were more fingerprints with the film applied vs when i removed it. You need a special coating on the screen for that(oleophobic coating) and with that you can wipe the screen clean very easily.
As far as i know the X10 has not have it's screen treated with oleophobic coating.
Trekster said:
As far as i know mineral glass is in itself "scratch proof". But that doesn't mean it can't be scratched of course. It means minor pocket scratches are avoided.
"Mineral glass is ordinary tempered glass made from silica. It is more scratch resistant than Plexiglass which is a plastic also used for watch crystals."
So if infact it is mineral glass there is no need for an extra layer of protection.
I'm not quite sure what "shutter proof sheet" is but seems strange that this screen should need one when other mineral glass screens do not.
Also should point out that for me it seems identical to the included "screen protector" in both size, thickness and consistency.
I'll report back if scratches start appearing on my screen. I'll give it 7 days of normal use(as i used my iPhone, Hero, LG Arena) to see if any scratches start appearing, but I doubt they will.
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According to the white pages:
"Scratch-resistant Yes. Shutter proof sheet on mineral glass"
The way I see it the "sheet" makes it scratch resistant.
If you ever had a watch (clock) with mineral glass, you know that it scratches easily. for a scratch resistant glass you need a saphire glass!
Both iphone and nexus one probarbly have mineral glass, but the thing making those so resistant (see youtube) is some kind of coating on the glass. (I think)
brodos123 said:
According to the white pages:
"Scratch-resistant Yes. Shutter proof sheet on mineral glass"
The way I see it the "sheet" makes it scratch resistant.
If you ever had a watch (clock) with mineral glass, you know that it scratches easily. for a scratch resistant glass you need a saphire glass!
Both iphone and nexus one probarbly have mineral glass, but the thing making those so resistant (see youtube) is some kind of coating on the glass. (I think)
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There is nothing in the white papers suggesting that either the nexus one, iPhone nor my old Hero had any other coating than the oleophobic coating for easy fingerprint removal.
Here is a good explanation of mineral glass vs. sapphire glass:
http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/1870141
And yes Sapphire glass is the best but cost too much for ordinary phones. mineral glass will protect the phone against most pocket scratches. But the real test will be the next 7 days, today there is no apparent scratching of the phone(no micro-scratches either).
Also of note is that the screen seems much more responsive after the removal of their so called "shutter proof sheet".
What we really need is an reviewer that doesn't give a damn about his test-unit to give it a go...with and without the sheet!
Trekster said:
No, infact there were more fingerprints with the film applied vs when i removed it. You need a special coating on the screen for that(oleophobic coating) and with that you can wipe the screen clean very easily.
As far as i know the X10 has not have it's screen treated with oleophobic coating.
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Thanks for the two nice photos, Trekster! Do you find touch sensitivity has improved after you removed the sheet? I've been using the X10 for 1.5 days so far, and I still feel like sensitivity is not as good as iPhone (even worse than Nexus One)
ivansee said:
Thanks for the two nice photos, Trekster! Do you find touch sensitivity has improved after you removed the sheet? I've been using the X10 for 1.5 days so far, and I still feel like sensitivity is not as good as iPhone (even worse than Nexus One)
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Yes the sensitivity has been improved quite a bit. I would say it's on par with the other touchscreen phones now.
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So how to take it off?
It's driving me insane....and why does a SCRATCH-RESSISTANT screen need a pre-applied screen protector???
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The watchword here is scratch-resistant.
A glass screen will always be more scratch resistant than a plastic screen, but that doesn't mean that it can't be scratched at all. The screen-protector is just a way of helping extend the life of the screen face and I personally thank SE for providing it. Take spectacles for example. Glass lenses are harder wearing, but cost more and weigh more. Plastic lenses are lighter and cost less, but are more prone to scratches. You can still scratch glass lenses by putting them down glass first.
The difference between mineral glass and sapphire glass is interesting. My watch has a sapphire glass face and it has *ONE* scratch after 3 years of being worn everyday. That scratch came from a HARD direct impact (which hurt my wrist). The face is otherwise flawless.
ZenithUK said:
The watchword here is scratch-resistant.
A glass screen will always be more scratch resistant than a plastic screen, but that doesn't mean that it can't be scratched at all. The screen-protector is just a way of helping extend the life of the screen face and I personally thank SE for providing it. Take spectacles for example. Glass lenses are harder wearing, but cost more and weigh more. Plastic lenses are lighter and cost less, but are more prone to scratches. You can still scratch glass lenses by putting them down glass first.
The difference between mineral glass and sapphire glass is interesting. My watch has a sapphire glass face and it has *ONE* scratch after 3 years of being worn everyday. That scratch came from a HARD direct impact (which hurt my wrist). The face is otherwise flawless.
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Yes if you read my posts further along I do point out that the screen isn't scratch-proof
I do question the decision and still do as my HTC Hero(which I bought back in August 09) has ZERO scratches And they are both supposed to be based on the same mineral-glass technology.
Im testing
Well, I've removed the screen protector and I think it is much better.
It seems so much smoother, and the screen is definitely more responsive.
I will post again in a couple of weekend to keep you all up-to-date.
soo... u guys can confirm the touchscreen is way better without the foil on? ( more sensetive aaand more accurate???)
coz i am thinking of swappin mine 2 the Desire.. but cant test it takin of the protector.. otherwise they wont return it...
I have had my problems with the X10, but the screen and its sensitivity is not one of them.. Without the exception of the edges...
I can almost never type "a".
I added the second protection as well, and love how the screen works / flows...
(with the exception of the left edge )
I heard that the Samsung Focus had corning gorilla glass and hearing this I decided a screen protector wouldn't be needed (gorilla glass is supposed to be scratch resistant isn't it?). I'm the type of person who takes extra steps to protect his gadgets. I always hold my phone with a firm grip, I have a dedicated pocket for it (no keys or coins with it) and I never drop it. Recently I've noticed some scratches appearing on the front screen of my Focus. Most of them aren't very noticeable, but one in particular can be seen plain as day and is infuriating. Like I said, I don't have anything in my pockets, I've never dropped it and I want to know how these scratches appear on "scratch resistant" glass if nothing but my fingers and cloth are touching it.
If the Focus doesn't have the gorilla glass/gorilla glass isn't scratch resistant I will delete this thread in shame of my lack of knowledge
the zune HD has gorilla glass and I have a zune and a focus. I am reasonably sure the focus isnt gorilla glass, taps like plastic and scratches relatively easy. my zune has very little scratches after 8 months of abuse sharing pockets w/ keys; only one day with my focus in my pocket with my wallet i have scratches.
It does really seem like plastic. Or maybe really thin, versatile glass.
I asked Samsung via twitter on November 9th and they confirmed it
"the Focus does have Gorilla Glass. Thanks for reaching out to us, we're happy to help. ^Sab"
Just found this and it says the Samsung Focus does have gorilla glass.
http://www.samsung.com/us/article/get-to-know-the-samsung-focus-with-windows-phone-7
Is it possible I got a bad unit? Or is it possible Samsung is just using the weakest gorilla glass?
EDIT: Dang, same time post
Samsung claims that the Focus has Gorilla Glass, so I guess you can just take their word for it. The Gorilla Glass might be underneath the plastic layer Samsung used. I think the Vibrant and European Galaxy S are the same way.
Here's a link to Samsung's official site Q&A about the Focus and if you scroll down you'll find that they confirmed it has Gorilla Glass. Click here. Also an official SamsungUSA rep on Twitter confirmed Gorilla Glass when he was asked. Click here.
Also, if you want to see a stress test of the Galaxy S' Gorilla Glass, check out this video (not in English but you get the gist of it). Click here.
I bought a silicone case for it and for now I don't have a screen protector but things are going fine for me. The phone probably isn't bulletproof and considering how thin the Gorilla Glass is on the Focus it will do an exceptional job stopping the usual accidents but it won't stop anything more serious. But since you're an 'extra protection' kind of guy you should just get the screen protector and give yourself some peace of mind lol.
OGCF said:
I bought a silicone case for it and for now I don't have a screen protector but things are going fine for me. The phone probably isn't bulletproof and considering how thin the Gorilla Glass is on the Focus it will do an exceptional job stopping the usual accidents but it won't stop anything more serious. But since you're an 'extra protection' kind of guy you should just get the screen protector and give yourself some peace of mind lol.
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Usually I get a case, but I haven't found anything to appealing yet (I like for my phone to look good). Also I try to keep it in the best condition so when I go to resell it I get maximum value
The screen feels identical withmy Captivate...
yes it is gorilla glass... ive put a few in already and can confirm.. plus i called samsung to be double sure...
huh, okey, guess i am wrong.
But my zune seems like its a lot harder. ive babied my focus and I still get scratches easyer
Raptor550 said:
huh, okey, guess i am wrong.
But my zune seems like its a lot harder. ive babied my focus and I still get scratches easyer
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Exactly. I want to know why that is.
glass scratches.. bottom line..
gorilla glass is just harder to scratch and is a tougher glass overall so it can be made thinner than other glass digitizers...
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Exactly. I want to know why that is.
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They probably have another layer over the Gorilla glass.
The Focus's screen really feels like plastic. It's just not as solid as, say, the iPhone 4 (which is said to use Gorilla glass for the front.) Gorilla glass is supposed to be scratch-proof and you scratched it in a day? Hmm...
I do not have a case or a screen protector on my Focus and don't have a single scratch on the screen and only a few micro scuffs on the plastic battery cover. I am generally careful with my gadgets, but I have carried this phone with me every day since Nov 8th and both of my young children play with it on a regular basis, and still nothing. Thankfully I have not dropped it screen side down on any hard surfaces (knock on wood)!
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Gorilla glass is supposed to be scratch-proof and you scratched it in a day? Hmm...
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It is not scratch proof.. It is much more scratch resistant... No glass is scratchproof
www.corninggorillaglass.com. Its a good read.
I can tell you from personal experience that a Focus screen will not survive a 3 foot fall on its face to concrete. And it is very very much made of glass.
But it seems relatively scratch resistant : )
Have you guys seen the youtube video of a guy testing out the glass screen of the focus? He's literally stabbing the phone with a screwdriver and smacking it with the handle and there was no scratches on the phone afterwards.
kawgirlval69 said:
It is not scratch proof.. It is much more scratch resistant... No glass is scratchproof
www.corninggorillaglass.com. Its a good read.
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It's supposed to be extremely hard to scratch, even with a razor blade. The iPhone is practically invincible when it comes to keys and the like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkXlriABfOo . It's a good watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8yNh0N2qbs . This video too is essential for discussions like this. Basically, to scratch the iPhone's glass, you need something that's harder than the glass they used. So diamonds might scratch it. Metal, not so much.
If this guy's Samsung Focus's screen went to hell after one pocket session, methinks the Gorilla glass they used was made in Chinese ghettos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Eb17SwyDDU
Although this video makes me think that either this guy had a diamond in his pocket or he's extremely unlucky. Or lying...
SA Spyder said:
It's supposed to be extremely hard to scratch, even with a razor blade. The iPhone is practically invincible when it comes to keys and the like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkXlriABfOo . It's a good watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8yNh0N2qbs . This video too is essential for discussions like this. Basically, to scratch the iPhone's glass, you need something that's harder than the glass they used. So diamonds might scratch it. Metal, not so much.
If this guy's Samsung Focus's screen went to hell after one pocket session, methinks the Gorilla glass they used was made in Chinese ghettos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Eb17SwyDDU
Although this video makes me think that either this guy had a diamond in his pocket or he's extremely unlucky. Or lying...
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I'm not lying, I have no reason to be. I've also had the phone for about a week (and a half) and I think I might have actually dropped it once on the rubber foot mat of a car, but that was only like a 2 foot drop and it was rubber. I'm still perplexed as to how this scratch got on my Focus. I have some other little "soft" scratches, but those you can't see unless the screen is turned off and its at the right angle. The one I'm referring to is small, but when I use my Focus outside you can notice it (even on the black theme). I tried taking a picture, but it wouldn't come out.
Would it be possible to exchange it for another Focus at AT&T if I'm still in my 30 day trail period?
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I'm not lying, I have no reason to be. I've also had the phone for about a week (and a half) and I think I might have actually dropped it once on the rubber foot mat of a car, but that was only like a 2 foot drop and it was rubber. I'm still perplexed as to how this scratch got on my Focus. I have some other little "soft" scratches, but those you can't see unless the screen is turned off and its at the right angle. The one I'm referring to is small, but when I use my Focus outside you can notice it (even on the black theme). I tried taking a picture, but it wouldn't come out.
Would it be possible to exchange it for another Focus at AT&T if I'm still in my 30 day trail period?
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You'd have to talk to them, but I doubt it. Usually physical wear and tear isn't really covered. But couldn't you return it and then buy another one?
I'm assuming you got the scratch when the phone landed screen-down on the floor mat of the car. There are usually tiny rocks and some are bound to be more solid than the glass, thus the tiny scratch. So 'unlucky' then, I suppose.
Hello all,
i am sure someone has allready asked the same question, but the search is not working atm. so i will post the question.
Is the Screen on the Trophy Gorilla glass ? Many web sites claim it is , the most forums tell it's not ? Is it scratch ressistant, somehow. I bought one yesterday and the package does not include any screen protection. With my old Diamond 2 there was one.
DO i need to buy one for the Trophy ... they have negative effect on the screen performance, mostly, and i don't want to use them, but if the phone can be scratched than i will go for one .
Any one ?
Thanks !
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Trophy has Gorilla Glass.Period ...
Its in the htc specs...why anyone tell thas its not ???
For Gorilla Glass, it does scratch very easily... 2 scratches on mine already, one of them is pretty big.
Actually, if you read carefully what gorilla glass is, you are going to see it does not include a non scratching surface. It's a very robust glass, that's all, hard to break, but it can be scratched. It's does not have the protective layer of the Iphone screen. So a shield is required.
It is actually supposed to be more resistant to scratches:
"Gorilla Glass features exceptional damage resistance to the scratches, drops, and bumps of everyday use. It’s thin, cool to the touch, and cleans easily – making it the perfect solution for sleek, seamless designs. And it’s sensitive enough to enable today’s most sophisticated touch applications."
http://www.corninggorillaglass.com/innovating-with-gorilla
the trophy is Gorilla Glass, and Gorilla Glass is scratch-resistant. You may not need a screen protector for it but if you`re like me, like super protective, I bought a cheap silicon cover for the phone with cheap screen guard protector. The protector itself covers up the whole screen, that includes that capacitive buttons and its so awesome! now I dont need to worry about wet fingers touching on it.
For Gorilla Glass, it scratches way too easily.
A month after buying the Trophy forgot I had the phone in my pocket and dropped the car keys in there. When I got to the car had a huge scratch starting from the HTC logo and working its way down (2 fingers length more or less). Pretty deep too.
I've always misstreated my phones, but in many years and countless HTC's, this was the first one to ever scratch.
Hello. I have managed to scratch my precious S4 screen just after using the phone for a week. Yeah I do have a mild case of OCD (at least what I think is mild ) considering that I do use a pouch for it I wonder what is the point with all those videos showing off the impressive Gorilla glass x. Of course the second I noticed it I applied a screen protector. So much for Gorilla glass..
If you want a pouch....buy a kangaroo.
As everyone will tell you Gorilla is scratch RESISTANT NOT SCRATCH PROOF.
The ads that demo how tough Gorilla glass is show them using coins,keys and knives on the screen mainly. These are "softer" than the layer on the glass so it doesn't scratch.
Sand however is very "hard" so it can easily scratch Gorilla glass. If you got sand in the pouch and it rubbed on the screen it will definitely scratch it.
It's actually a very good product and is more resistant than other glass but it isn't indestructible and the manufacturers don't claim it to be.
Sand is a screens worst enemy.
P.S Why did you post this in Q+A?
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Had my S4 for over 6 months with just the case in the picture. I check my screen every now and then for scratches and marks. I literally can't see a THING on that screen and it's very impressive. I'm pretty careful with my phones but my last phone, HTC Mozart, had a much softer screen. Seriously, you might be used to it now but old displays were a LOT more sensitive than these new screens...
Dropped mine with no cover on concrete twice. Landed screen down both times, no scratches, no issues at all. What did you do to the screen? As said above it's scratch RESISTANT. Sand and other abrasive substances will scratch it. Sand has eroded land masses over time when you think about it.
I always have to ask this as there are a LOT of clones about, is your device a real s4?
I've received an answer from official Sony support staff over at the Sony Mobile support forums, on a thread regarding which type of glass is used for the Z3C. It turns out that for the display, both Gorilla Glass 3 AND Dragontrail X are used. Unfortunately, no info on the rear glass:
"For the display glass we use both Gorilla 3 and Dragontrail X but i'm afraid i don't have any detailed information about the rear glass."
http://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperi...ss-is-on-Xperia-Z3-Compact/m-p/838927#U838927
Is that a "and" or an "or"?
So those who have Gorilla glass breaks easily but harder to scratch.
Those who have Dragontrail scratches easily and harder to break?
Which? I heard users saying it is easy to scratch and easy to break! Perhaps, they are talking about the Z1 or Z2.
LastQuark said:
Is that a "and" or an "or"?
So those who have Gorilla glass breaks easily but harder to scratch.
Those who have Dragontrail scratches easily and harder to break?
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That's what I'm curious about as well.
my guess that it may boil down to a matter of availability.
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Is that a "and" or an "or"?
So those who have Gorilla glass breaks easily but harder to scratch.
Those who have Dragontrail scratches easily and harder to break?
Which? I heard users saying it is easy to scratch and easy to break! Perhaps, they are talking about the Z1 or Z2.
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If this is true I think I may have gotten the Dragontrail version because I have been pretty careful with the phone os far and already have a small scratch on the upper right. I think I would choose scratch protection over drop protection in the end because scratches are drive me ****ing nuts.
So if yours is a Dragontrail, use PET film. If Gorilla glass, use tempered glass. Problem solved!
Just need to know about the backside. To date, no one makes a tempered glass for the backside.
Why PET for Dragontrail?
For those with true balls, give us a scratch test, attempt to scratch your device and post it on you tube LOL
Just received mine. If you squeeze the phone in the middle with your thumb and index finger, there is some flex. Almost feels hallow.
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So those who have Gorilla glass breaks easily but harder to scratch.
Those who have Dragontrail scratches easily and harder to break?
Which? I heard users saying it is easy to scratch and easy to break!
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Was that sarkasm or did you just make that up? Is there any valid source to back up this claim? Imo many people talking on the interwebs just have uneducated opinions.
/e: that sounded more aggressive than it was meant to, I didn't mean your opinion is uneducated =)
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Just received mine. If you squeeze the phone in the middle with your thumb and index finger, there is some flex. Almost feels hallow.
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That's completely normal.
Agreed. I am going to have a Case anyway if I
get a Z3 C and would prefer Corning GG 3 or GG2 as a known performer versus Dragontrail
which has a cool name but what is it ?
Godzilla Glass and Dragontrail sound good but give me GG3. Corning Gorilla Glass.
And give me a gel case with outer shell and I will add glass screen protectors front and back.
The Manager at Sony Store Miami which does not have Z3 or Z3 C yet mentioned " Tempered Glass " for the back as what Sony calls it.
Thanks for posting your experiences .
They use Both but you won't know Which is on your phone, like the z1c had Both jdi display and another lowcost brand so by chance you could get a superbright display or a not-so-good one.
Or they use none of both and Sony support just has no clue whatsoever
After 5 days I have absolutely no microscratches. I still put it in my pocket with other things (not keys though). In addition GG 3 also gets scratched by harder materials like sand, glass, concrete. If you have sand in your pocket or mineral dust it will be scratched if it's not made of sapphire glass (which would be scratched by diamond)...
I've had my phone for 7 days now and I checked under the bright lights at work and I have a bunch of micro scratches on the back, very disappointing. My phone is carried in my pocket by itself, or set on my desk so I have no idea where such scratches could come from. It's only on the back though, the front looks fine, so maybe they're using some inferior glass for the rear.
I think gorilla glass 2/3 or dragon tail doesn't really make that much difference....
I read somewhere the key is the strength retention after the glass has been scratched. I think Gorilla 3 perform better to retain that strength. All of the glass has very similar spec.
http://www.evolutivelabs.com/blogs/news/11840361-gorilla-glass-2-vs-3
Don't know if this deserved a separate thread but will post here as well.
Today I woke up and realized that my screen is broken. One think line. My guess that is happened yesterday cause phone touch was acting up in the evening but it's hard to see without much light.
My phone is in case, has a stock screen protector and was never dropped or impacted.
My guess that this is low quality from zony's side. Reminds me the crack that reviewers had on their back plate in one of the first review videos.
How is the front glass oleophobic coating?
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How is the front glass oleophobic coating?
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It's a smudge magnet. But my finger glides very smoothly on it and it's easy to clean. Usually it "cleans itself" in my pocket so when I take it out after having a walked around for a while, the screen is usually relatively clean.