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2 Different Rom Builds, with extra themes UPDATED June 24th, Fastest Cupcake

All my future builds will be on the google code page http://code.google.com/p/vogue-android/ to make it easy for everyone to find all the files they need to run android.

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cant get data sync to open. do i need dzos data.img to get to sync contacts and email?

yes, for all google apps to work you need to have already setup your google account in DZO's 1.1 build.

finally got dzo's build working and now using that data.img. quick question, does the camera work cause it didnt come on for me. not a big deal just wanted to know what all worked. nice and smooth build.

bangout said:
finally got dzo's build working and now using that data.img. quick question, does the camera work cause it didnt come on for me. not a big deal just wanted to know what all worked. nice and smooth build.
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no, I didn't bring that over yet. I honestly never use the camera on my phone.

Why does my HaRET lock up at 100%? 1.1 booted just fine for me. When I try to load this build it locks up and has to be soft reset after that.
I am running NFSFAN's 6.5v10 WinMo ROM.
EDIT: Fixed, I had to re-extract and recopy the files over. Something must have corrupted randomly some where for me.

I am also using NFSFAN's 6.5 v10 ROM, and after running this Android build once, my WM ROM got royally corrupted... I'm going to hard reset and pray for the best... :\
I'm not trying to be a troll, here. But if anyone could help identify what went wrong, I'd greatly appreciate it.
I extracted all the files (except for data.img) and fired up Android. Waited a few minutes (like the thread said I would have to) and then I waited a minute or two before turning off the phone (through Android). Restarted the phone, and my Titanium home screem doesn't work, and neither does the Start Menu. And right when it starts I get "Cannot Start Voice Command. Reinstall and try again."

my wife had the same problems on her white vogue, I don't really know what it is... Pretty much means android is out of the question for you until we figure it out.

Thanks for this. I am finding it really hard to read the screen though. I did allign it. Is there a cleartype thing for android? non cupcake build looks real nice, but cupcake seems to have issues with readability.
Again, thanks for this, can't wait to see the final results.

After a Hard Reset, everything worked fine. I didn't really lose anything, since I installed V10 this morning.
I like the performance on the ROM. Feels lighter and faster. The only thing I don't like much is the GUI customization, more specifically the inability to switch back to the default theme. The loading intro screen is DEAD SEXY, though.
The lack of camera kind of sucks, but we all know how hit-and-miss camera has been on Vogue Android development, so it's understandable.

strange, im running nfsfans v10 rom and ran this as well and wm wasnt affected whatsoever.

harminoff said:
Thanks for this. I am finding it really hard to read the screen though. I did allign it. Is there a cleartype thing for android? non cupcake build looks real nice, but cupcake seems to have issues with readability.
Again, thanks for this, can't wait to see the final results.
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use the different initrd that vilord posted in the other thread. There's one that has bigger type/icons etc
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3914750&postcount=3744.

robobeau said:
After a Hard Reset, everything worked fine. I didn't really lose anything, since I installed V10 this morning.
I like the performance on the ROM. Feels lighter and faster. The only thing I don't like much is the GUI customization, more specifically the inability to switch back to the default theme. The loading intro screen is DEAD SEXY, though.
The lack of camera kind of sucks, but we all know how hit-and-miss camera has been on Vogue Android development, so it's understandable.
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I built this version as I was tired of the same old android look. I may post a default theme later, after band of brothers is done

commandant83 said:
strange, im running nfsfans v10 rom and ran this as well and wm wasnt affected whatsoever.
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It's a real hit and miss thing. Some phones are good and some aren't. I wish I could say for sure what it is.

mssmison said:
use the different initrd that vilord posted in the other thread. There's one that has bigger type/icons etc
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3914750&postcount=3744.
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Thanks, looks a bit better.
I'm also getting lines across my screen, very small and kind of flashing. Is that a cupcake issue, or something on my part?

could be maybe related to panel type? I'm not sure... try setting panel type to 0 in default.txt

Thanks mssmison, is working great for me with DZO's 128mb data.img.
Would love to see a standard themed version though.
Will let you know how battery life goes. Had wake up issues with original power options so changed them to match yours.
Cheers

Problems after rooting

Hello,
I hope someone can assist me with this. I apologize if this is not the right place to post this.
I rooted my phone few days ago. The reason is so I can install apps on the sd card and have better phone control overall.
I installed jesusfreke rom cupcake.
Also installed swapper, appstosd, overclock widget, as well as a lot of applications.
It seems that after some time the phone now actually runs slower. Another problem is that it seems as a lot of processes are running at the same time.
Apps keep crashing on me, especially google apps that run in the background.
I suspect the problem might be the sd card. It is 2 gb split into two partitions.
To be honest - I was curious in running the game idracula that kept lagging like crazy. It would run somewhat ok if no background apps are running. It gets laggy at some point and then I get forclose messages of background apps - any way of preventing background apps to run?
Last question - any specific rom recommended to run?
Thanks,
Doron

the cyanogen roms

Thank you - I just installed it and I like it so far. Have not experienced any problems yet.
Doron

karuzo said:
Thank you - I just installed it and I like it so far. Have not experienced any problems yet.
Doron
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You should go ahead at this point and explore that ROM as well as enomther's rooted version of the T-mobile ROM and the JACxROM.
Each has slightly different features, so find what you like.

uansari1 said:
You should go ahead at this point and explore that ROM as well as enomther's rooted version of the T-mobile ROM and the JACxROM.
Each has slightly different features, so find what you like.
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Thank you - I will give them a try at some point. Any other roms to recommend?

Well there is either cupcake based time like JF or cyanogen. Or hero based like jac or dizzy or any of the others just read their threads and if they sound good go for it.

some issues that are bugging me...need your input

hey guys. i'm a very nitpicky person and there has been a few "issues" that have been ticking at me lately. i wanted to ask to see if it's an issue with my rom (OMJ v3.1 odex) or just general issues with the phone that I have to live with.
1) for a 1ghz phone, it takes FOREVER to load. i'm usually anywhere from 15 to 45 seconds on the splash screen, after which the boot animation plays and maybe 10-15 seconds after the animation ends the phone starts to load....but it goes into the lock screen, and i have to unlock it, and then a million things start opening up, so that from screen off to fully loaded and ready to make a phone call the phone takes at least 1 minute, sometimes close to 2 minutes.
EDIT: just timed it - 45 seconds on splash screen, 25 seconds from end of boot animation to lock screen
i'm coming from a 667mhz WM6.1 phone that would boot, animation and all, be ready to call in 30 seconds or less.
i can live with the time it takes to load if it was normal...but then I hear things on here on how the evo loads in 8 seconds and i'm looking at mine and wondering what's wrong
is this a rom issue (OMJ v3.1 odex), kernel issue (king's #6), android (2.2), phone in general, or a result of all the different things we install on our phones (adblockers, superuser, custom flash, custom boot, etc)?
2) when the phone loads it always opens the dialer. i go back into home screen. throughout the day at least once or twice the dialer will randomly open on its own when i unlock my screen.
3) wi-fi at home is secured through wep2...but at school is unsecured to connect, but then you need to authenticate through the browser. sometimes this works, sometimes the browser (dolphin hd) just stays loading and doesnt take me to the authetication page...and the only way around is it to disable and enable wifi again. then everything is perfect.
is this a rom issue? or a dolphin hd issue?
4) I have LauncherProPlus with their custom icons from the website. whenever i restart the phone the icons for Dolphin HD, Documents to Go, MixZing and Pandora change to their standard icons. i have to restart launcherpro and they go to the matching icons i have throughout the homescreens. then at random points those three icons revert back to the stock icons, and i have to restart launcher pro.
is this a LP problem, a rom problem, or a me-specific problem?
5) perhaps the most important issue - i have problems downloading and installing certain apps in the market. I paid for lcd density changer and installed it. uninstalled it later on. now i'm trying to reinstall and I keep getting an installation unsuccesful message...same thing goes for Rom Manager (which i have installed, but installation unsuccessful with update), and many others. Some programs will update, some wont. Today I tried to download 3d gallery through the market and keep getting that issue.
this has happened with other programs in the past, where I thought maybe they werent meant for the EVO...but many of those had comments from EVO users??? and now some of those programs that wont install are programs I HAD or I HAVE installed!!!
is this a rom specific issue? or a market issue? or an odex issue? or does it have anything to do with having app2sd and move2sd enabler on the phone? none of the programs in question have been moved to the sd card...obviously not the ones like 3d gallery that I haven't yet installed.
so, thank you for reading through all that. any help in either of the issues will be greatly appreciated.
if most of the issues are rom-related i will go hunting for a new, stable rom. if they're general woes that come with owning the Evo then I guess i need to know that too.
thanks in advance!

I can't really help you much in terms of a solution, but coming from a Blackberry the EVO boot time seems very fast! However, the EVO is definitely not an 8 second loader, I don't know where you got that information.
is this a rom issue (OMJ v3.1 odex), kernel issue (king's #6), android (2.2), phone in general, or a result of all the different things we install on our phones (adblockers, superuser, custom flash, custom boot, etc)?
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This is just a guess, but I'd say it's the ROM you're using. Have you tried anything else? Make a nandroid backup of your phone now, then flash another ROM and test it out, it's easy to revert with the nandroid backup. Keep in mind the first time you load any newly flashed ROM it will take longer than normal to boot.
In my experience, stock 2.2 and all its OTA updates (and the ROM I use that is based on the latest OTA) are pretty good when it comes to boot times. Anything you install may have the potential to slow things down.
I'm currently using the VaelPak 2.2 ROM with the latest HTC kernel (no 30FPS limitation) which is very stable and very fast. VaelPak stripped out some of sense (not all) and I love how you have the choice between HTC/Sense elements or AOSP. For example, I actually like the HTC dialer, messaging, and contacts.

thanks.
i guess i'm going to have to flash a new rom...but it'll have to wait till next week!
i'll look into the different roms but i had thought of flashing CM6 since I'm not using any sense other than the dialer as far as i know
thanks
any other opinions are welcome!

Max_Pain said:
4) I have LauncherProPlus with their custom icons from the website. whenever i restart the phone the icons for Dolphin HD, Documents to Go, MixZing and Pandora change to their standard icons. i have to restart launcherpro and they go to the matching icons i have throughout the homescreens. then at random points those three icons revert back to the stock icons, and i have to restart launcher pro.
is this a LP problem, a rom problem, or a me-specific problem?
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Are all of those apps saved on your SD Card? I wonder if that has anything to do with it.

yes all four apps are in the sd card. i was using pandora and plugged the phone in to my pc to try to install that 3dgallerym.apk i found on here. pandora stopped (i'm assuming as the sd card was unmounted). after unplugging and the card was remounted i was able to open pandora again...but then the 4 icons had reverted again.
i'm starting to think that is a lp issue. i'll send a message to the developer see what he says about it.

Max_Pain said:
i'm starting to think that is a lp issue. i'll send a message to the developer see what he says about it.
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FYI they have their own forum. You should see if it has already been answered there.
http://www.launcherpro.com/forum/

The boot up taking so long is do to custom roms being deodexed.. It puts the odex file into the apks so that you can theme a rom without any problems. Stock roms arent deodexed so they boot up a lot faster. Its the only downside to deodexing a rom.
Also you should try to start fresh.. wipe data and dalvik and reboot. Then see if you have a problems with downloading and stuff. It might be cache left on the phone messing it up. If a clean data/dalvik wipe doesnt fix your problems then its most likely the rom or user error. Try a different rom for couple weeks and see if you come across the same problems.

My rom is odexed...
Im going to try cm6 next week most likely...
Swyped from an HTC Evo on MetroPCS...

First off, are you running a task killer or manager? If so, uninstall and reboot. A lot of the time this is the source of problems. Android manages its own tasks quite well. I can go into a lot more details if you'd like about why you shouldn't use one.
If not using a task killer or that did not help....
I say try Fresh ROM or Myn's Warm. Fresh is very stable. I think you may have a corrupt download of the ROM. However, since you are using LP you don't seem like a Sense UI person so CM6 may be your option. However, it does not have 4G nor HDMI. Personally, I love Fresh ROM. The dev came from the Hero like me and has a very very good track record for being stable and fixing things. And he is a cool guy.
Install one of those and then post back if you still have problems. I think this will fix it.
BTW did you flash from another ROM and use a backup app to restore? This can cause problems with ROMs that have different settings and options.
As for boot times, like the earlier guy said deodexed ROMs do extra stuff while booting. Also, lots of apps can cause slow boots because they start up on boot. You can use an app to disable them.
And last, app not installing. Hit menu-settings-applications-manage applications. Hit the SD tab and see if those apps show up. If so, click on them and uninstall. This will most like fix that issue.
Post back results here or if you need further help. We will be glad to help.
-Ken
Sent from my iPhone with the bigger Gee Bees.

Pandora has always been glitchy. Its a great service, but they need a new programmer.
8 second phone. I think not. Try the Desire Z (G2), their version of Froyo looks faster.
If your new to the EVO, give it some time. Its a smartphone, and anyone with experience knows that all smartphones are temperamental some times, just like computers.

Brutal-Force said:
Pandora has always been glitchy. Its a great service, but they need a new programmer.
8 second phone. I think not. Try the Desire Z (G2), their version of Froyo looks faster.
If your new to the EVO, give it some time. Its a smartphone, and anyone with experience knows that all smartphones are temperamental some times, just like computers.
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i've been on the evo for a little over a month now getting into it hard...i've learned too much too quickly...but yeah i definitely see the "like computers" temperamental issues at times.
notasimpleway said:
First off, are you running a task killer or manager? If so, uninstall and reboot. A lot of the time this is the source of problems. Android manages its own tasks quite well. I can go into a lot more details if you'd like about why you shouldn't use one.
not using any task manager. used to have advanced task killer but someone else recommended uninstalling it before.
If not using a task killer or that did not help....
I say try Fresh ROM or Myn's Warm. Fresh is very stable. I think you may have a corrupt download of the ROM. However, since you are using LP you don't seem like a Sense UI person so CM6 may be your option. However, it does not have 4G nor HDMI. Personally, I love Fresh ROM. The dev came from the Hero like me and has a very very good track record for being stable and fixing things. And he is a cool guy.
im considering CM6 because i barely use any sense apps. mainly flashlight, clock and htc lockscreen. i'm on metropcs so i cant use 4G and i dont have a HDTV so no need for HDMI
Install one of those and then post back if you still have problems. I think this will fix it.
BTW did you flash from another ROM and use a backup app to restore? This can cause problems with ROMs that have different settings and options.
have not done that...and now i know not to do it when i change roms.
As for boot times, like the earlier guy said deodexed ROMs do extra stuff while booting. Also, lots of apps can cause slow boots because they start up on boot. You can use an app to disable them.
And last, app not installing. Hit menu-settings-applications-manage applications. Hit the SD tab and see if those apps show up. If so, click on them and uninstall. This will most like fix that issue.
well the problem is 1) if the app is in my sd card, i dont need to uninstall it, just move it to the phone and then i can update it. but i have over 100 apps installed, it is not practical to do this for every update for every app! 2)some apps, like LCD Density Changer, which I paid and had installed before, wont install at all and i dont have it installed...so what there?
Post back results here or if you need further help. We will be glad to help.
-Ken
Sent from my iPhone with the bigger Gee Bees.
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i think i'm definitely changing roms....just have to consider if i want to get a stock rom or go to cm6

notasimpleway said:
I say try Fresh ROM or Myn's Warm. Fresh is very stable. I think you may have a corrupt download of the ROM. However, since you are using LP you don't seem like a Sense UI person so CM6 may be your option. However, it does not have 4G nor HDMI.
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The OP's sig says he has his EVO on MetroPCS; if that's the case then lack of 4G shouldn't be a concern.
That's the only real thing keeping me from trying CM6, even though there are only a few pockets of 4G coverage where I live.

Well I switched roms to ava v9 and some of the issues seem to have gone away...but still having problems installing apps from market...many if the apps and games I had before on my previous rom give an installation unsuccessful message...
Im thinking it may be something I damaged by installing htc and sprint apps right after flashing the rom...I'm going to restore all those files and see what happens...
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Official Tmo ROM 3.14 possibly leaked

I have never used this guy before, but he has this posted.
I thought you might find it interesting.
I'm still waiting for the tmo site.
http://911sniper.blog.163.com/blog/static/1429008812010913191679/
RUU_Leo_1_5_TMOUS_3.14.531.1_Radio_15.42.50.11U_2.15.50.14_LEO_1.5_Ship.exeLeo/HD2 2010-10-13

I flashed my phone with it and my girls HD2 as well and it has worked really good. I would do it!

Indeed, this is a slightly newer version than the one we got a couple weeks ago, and because it says "SHIPPED" on the end it seems legit.

ashasaur said:
Indeed, this is a slightly newer version than the one we got a couple weeks ago, and because it says "SHIPPED" on the end it seems legit.
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Is the ROM in English because I can't read a thing on the website?

Why don't you get it from XDA. It's been up for some time now.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=807617
and here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=789506

this file is slightly newer than both of those links & looks like it has a newer radio

ddgarcia05 said:
Why don't you get it from XDA. It's been up for some time now.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=807617
and here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=789506
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Bless all of you who post direct links and don't tell us to "search" for it. I've decided that I'm obviously the WORST at searching XDA ever in all creation!
Maybe someone could post a link to the newer version in english?

A few questions
First, Does this require HSPL? Is this an actual shipped ROM that I can load like when I went from 2.10 to 2.13?
Second, does this change the SPL version? If it does will HSPL3 work on this new SPL?

Installed 3.14 updated on T-Mobile HD2 US
Ok I have a native (and I mean native) T-Mobile HD2 and I just installed:
RUU_Leo_1_5_TMOUS_3.14.531.1_Radio_15.42.50.11U_2.15.50.14_LEO_1.5_Ship.exe
No problems so far and here are some obvious changes:
Shazaam was on the applications list
Smoother transitioning on apps and windows
There are 3-4 background options to choose from that have odd names...not there so i'm not sure if this are code names.
swype seems really smooth..not sure if it got updated but its nice.
i can check hte versions of the default apps like albums, messages, email, pics, etc and see what they are compared to someone who has NOT updated to 3.14

pcmedics911 said:
Ok I have a native (and I mean native) T-Mobile HD2 and I just installed:
RUU_Leo_1_5_TMOUS_3.14.531.1_Radio_15.42.50.11U_2.15.50.14_LEO_1.5_Ship.exe
No problems so far and here are some obvious changes:
Shazaam was on the applications list
Smoother transitioning on apps and windows
There are 3-4 background options to choose from that have odd names...not there so i'm not sure if this are code names.
swype seems really smooth..not sure if it got updated but its nice.
i can check hte versions of the default apps like albums, messages, email, pics, etc and see what they are compared to someone who has NOT updated to 3.14
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sooo.... to be clear, by "native" you mean you did NOT have to install HSLP to flash the 3.14 ROM?

Correct!
No HSPL needed. Just downloaded the file above, opened it up and it updated my HD2. My HD2 had no HSPL or other hacks done to it.
So far with full day of use, had good battery life (better than before), no freezing or hanging, loaded a ton of photos, music, books on the SD card which used to cause serious lag. I don't see that anymore.
According to hte HTC website, the update improved better usage of the CPU which is now obvious.
I will be installed CHT and some other 3rd party apps tomorrow to see how they run on the HD2. So far, its been an excellent update.

New T-Mobile 3.14 HD2 Update Release Review
After 48 hours of usage, here are a few thoughts on the new HD2 T-Mobile US 3.14 update:
The days of lagging and freezing are over.
Stable..very stable. Did not have 1 crash or freeze and I put intense pressure on the cpu with various appps both running at the same time as well as cpu / memory hungry apps
CHT 1.8 needs to be updated to work on 3.14
Sense UI is wonderful. This is how it was intended to operate.
Email, Music, Photos, MEssages are the same..no real change that I can see.
I would say the HD2 is really a great phone now with this update. Short and sweet.

pcmedics911 said:
After 48 hours of usage, here are a few thoughts on the new HD2 T-Mobile US 3.14 update:
The days of lagging and freezing are over.
Stable..very stable. Did not have 1 crash or freeze and I put intense pressure on the cpu with various appps both running at the same time as well as cpu / memory hungry apps
CHT 1.8 needs to be updated to work on 3.14
Sense UI is wonderful. This is how it was intended to operate.
Email, Music, Photos, MEssages are the same..no real change that I can see.
I would say the HD2 is really a great phone now with this update. Short and sweet.
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So CHT doesn't work or won't install? And you're talking about CHT 1.8.5.1 Editor, too?

Sense is a hog

I find Sense is a resource hog... I mean a real hungry hog on this at$t Tilt2 and their latest rom. Read in a few other posts where I'm not the only one that experiences this. gwes.exe grows and grows and grows....and memory just will not release when closing programs. The phone comes to a crawl, down to 20mb left of memory, phone starts closing programs on its own so no multi tasking….time to restart. Even then, there is over FORTYmb of memory difference between running it over Windows default! I don’t even have to open any programs, just navigate Sense’s menus and memory drops like a rock!
Trying Mobile Shell now and the difference is night and day. Sense IMO is still a better looking, more intuitive interface. Mobile Shell is too complicated and over down. Great features there, but too much IMO. But it looks like I gotta stick with SPB Mobile Shell because my phone is so unreliable with Sense running, and it runs like it is suppose to with Mobile Shell.
OK... rant over...

Flash a custom ROM. I like Sense, run it with Cookies Home Tab (which is also a resource hog, but love it too) on the newest Energy ROM, and typically have 60-70 mb (or more) Program Memory free after using the phone all day.

redpoint73 said:
Flash a custom ROM. I like Sense, run it with Cookies Home Tab (which is also a resource hog, but love it too) on the newest Energy ROM, and typically have 60-70 mb (or more) Program Memory free after using the phone all day.
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I don't want to flash a custom rom as of right now. This phone is my business line, so I can't afford to get that deep into customization. I've done it with the old Tilt, but right now a custom rom is not an option.
I am using Cookies, and the icon pack. Found they do not effect Sense's appetite for memory. With or without those two, Sense will gobble 40mb regardless. And cause gwes.exe to grow from there.
I've also noticed my battery life is 'about' 25% better with Sense turned off.

True. I experience the same thing. But you have to remember why it's there in the first place. Sense is almost a replacement of WiMo(Not hiting towards the OS part)
The entire UI is redone and every single click is done in sense with no direct interaction with WiMo. And we can both agree, HTC did a good job with the sense. I myself was on a 1st Gen Samsung Omnia before i got my HTC TP2, and that was with a stock WiMo and only included stuff like a dial-app, and a mp3 player and stuff like that. Everything else including SMS was done directly in WiMo and i will take A Memory hog over that any day.
That being said, there is stuff HTC or Developers here could do:
Isolate the biggest RAM-Sink. You mention gwes.exe yourself(Which is actually not HTC but Microsoft)* And try to find out why they continuesly take up more and more ram and try to fix it.
Split up sense so different tasks are handled by different applications, which after you are done can be killed with easy to save RAM(Composing Email/SMS, Weather Check, Contactlist, Music player, ETC ETC.) I know some of this is already done, but there more could be done more.
Work on how do decrease RAM usage for different parts of Sense. Maybe even contact some Developers from this community or other communities(A_C of S2 would be a great place to start)
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Random Quote from a random forum
"Gwes is the Graphical Windowing and Event Subsystem. It’s one little program that draws all the controls on the device like scrollbars, buttons, and checkboxes. It also handles passing window messages back and forth between applications and manages the WndProcs of all of the programs on the device that are displaying UI."
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The WinMo 6.5 Start Menu is the biggest memory hog of all. You can improve things dramatically by disabling the standard start menu and using either QuickMenu or OCMan's start menu replacement.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=621800
http://www.modaco.com/content/i8000...8000-modaco-com/318725/free-up-even-more-ram/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7937478&postcount=16392
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=711914
To disable the start menu, use one of Arto's Start Menu Remove cabs.
To restore your start menu use one of Hayami's Start Menu Restore cabs:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7690749&postcount=43
Use the ControPanel_shotcuts download to activate Settings in QuickMenu.
I start up with 94MB Ram on a Tilt 2 with dozens of apps installed, and it's typically at 75MB after a week.

goncrack said:
You mention gwes.exe yourself(Which is actually not HTC but Microsoft)*
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I am already familiar with gwes.exe. Been in the WinMo world long enough to know by now it is part of the OS.
goncrack said:
WiMo and i will take A Memory hog over that any day.
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I don't mind a resource hog myself, makes for faster operation... if... you have enough resources to go around. But this phone just doesn't have enough memory to multitask with Sense running too.

goncrack said:
Sense is almost a replacement of WiMo(Not hiting towards the OS part)
The entire UI is redone and every single click is done in sense with no direct interaction with WiMo. )
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I would agree, or better yet, Sense is an effort to make some of the WinMo apps finger friendly and intuitive. For the most part they succeded. I would take exception to some, like Contact editing. While their contact editor is FF, I still find myself clicking the more button to enter data, and back to WinMo's contact editor it goes.
Edit: and another waste IMO, is the drop-down menus. I like the look and feel of the WinMo menus better.

rete said:
The WinMo 6.5 Start Menu is the biggest memory hog of all. You can improve things dramatically by disabling the standard start menu and using either QuickMenu or OCMan's start menu replacement.
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Thanks for the links, time for some more reading.
Sometimes I wish I could just be a noob tho... have someone hold my hand and guide me... step... by... step.

Quickmenu was mentioned above. One user, colossus_r has gone the extra mile and included all the settings in his version of Quickmenu. I used to use his version before NRGZ28 started cooking it into his ROMs.
If you do decide to use any version of QuickMenu, it would behoove you to increase the distance between the items in the menu. This give a better look to the menu as well as making it more finger-friendly. Do do this (after installing everything, of course), bring up Quickmenu, and tap QuickMenu > Option > View tab, and then set Menu item edge to 16.

Bookmarking this.

I know the problem you speak of, and my solution was to use cleanRAM.exe. Great little program, you can choose how "deep" it cleans, is fast, and it does the job quite well. After a run, it has brought RAM usage down to ~%50, or about 90mb, with Sense on. It's the one program I brought over from my old Q9, and I'm glad I did.

I really liked Sense/TF3D (or what ever you call it), till I tried to run 3rd party apps. A few games would not even run, others would start after a few min.
NFS shift will not even run with it running but, with Sense turned off, it runs fine on my TP2... Stock rom (well, Mr. X's fixed stock rom), with no Sense (just 6.5) I will boot up my phone with 90mb+ free.
It's just too bad that apps don't run right under it..or I would use it.

Without flashing a custom rom your limited... however if you download the htcAddicts.com cleanRam and run it after you open and close 2 or more apps, you will find it will free up alot of memory as your correct the stock sense rom leaks and uses memory like a monster.. Hope ya try this im sure you'll be pleased.

The 15 day trial for Mobile Shell ran out for me. Decided I didn't wanna use Mobile Shell, so uninstalled it. Ran Sense again... and within 15mins phone is lagging and or locking up. Memory dropped below 20meg..
Time to load a custom rom... or learn to cook my own. Me tinks the at$t rom would be just fine, if I can unload all the gawd dam bloatware.

GWelker62 said:
The 15 day trial for Mobile Shell ran out for me. Decided I didn't wanna use Mobile Shell, so uninstalled it. Ran Sense again... and within 15mins phone is lagging and or locking up. Memory dropped below 20meg..
Time to load a custom rom... or learn to cook my own. Me tinks the at$t rom would be just fine, if I can unload all the gawd dam bloatware.
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If you don't want a custom ROM, the easiest way to reclaim memory is to replace the Start Menu. It, by itself, eats about 20MB of RAM ALL THE TIME!
QuickMenu is a favorite of mine. There are several Start Menu replacements, though. NRGZ28 has 5 options cooked into the Energy ROMs.
Also, check \Windows\Start Up folder to see what you can remove from there. The stock TMoUS ROMs were easy to clean up that way.

cajunflavoredbob said:
If you don't want a custom ROM, the easiest way to reclaim memory is to replace the Start Menu. It, by itself, eats about 20MB of RAM ALL THE TIME!
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Working on that option this week to see how it works.
I haven't done a hard reset yet either and started over. I normally install apps and tweak a lot after installing a new rom, then hard reset and only install/tweak what I liked. Haven't done that yet with the latest at$t rom.

GWelker62 said:
I don't want to flash a custom rom as of right now. This phone is my business line, so I can't afford to get that deep into customization. I've done it with the old Tilt, but right now a custom rom is not an option.
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I was the same way with my old tilt, roms,roms and more roms ..then i got the new tilt2 , kept it stock for the first year , i played with several add-on's even had Mobile Shell which i loved but the phone was a bit too laggy, i then bit the bullet this past month and installed the lastest rom upgrade from AT&T reinstalled Mobile Shell , still was not happy about performance, so I finally broke down Hspld and then found basically a stock rom with all the garbage removed.. .wowsers finally it was fast and stable with Mobile Shell (disliked sense) . So what i am getting at, is to go ahead and make the plunge unlock it flash the simplest rom ....I am a business user so my phone is very important to me in keeping my wallet supplied with greenbacks..
the biggest reason i like Mobileshell is it is easy to use and has as many favorite people that i want listed...have about twenty manufacturers on the that page ..

GWelker62 said:
. Haven't done that yet with the latest at$t rom.
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Not much of a difference, the boatware kills the upgrade..not really worth it IMO

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Ok look as much as I do agree with you that on a stock rom with very little fixes and alterations the sense ui may take up tons of memory. BUT!!!!!! On a custom rom with minor adjustments it works great, I use it to on a day to day bases with the energy rom and it completely keeps up with me. Battery life is great I get live update for e-mails, use it to do some research on the net and i utilize all that sense brings together. In other words all I'm really trying to say is, HTC made a great job consolidating all these tools that we use on a day to day bases into a single ui. If u were to run individual programs to do everything that sense brings together, ur phone would be as slow as Forest Gump from lack of memory.

Try flashing EnergyROM! NGRZ added some different start menu options than can save 20-30 mbs or ram, it makes using SenseUI snappy!