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HTC P3600 Trinity Orange MPV700 and Audi BlueTooth

I recently became the owner of the above phone. I have read many many posts on this forum and have gleaned many snippets of informaiton, but guys and girls, you don't half have a lot of terminology that baffles an outsider to the other side of disbelief.
I am a programmer by trade, big computers and databases, you guys have managed to confuse the hell out of me.
Anyway, a bit of advise please
My Orange MV700 works in Hands Free Mode (Phone pairs with Audi as BT handsfree) with my Audi Bluetooth (2007 A6 with MMI), in that I can access most features of the phone . last calls, missed calls, directory (Windows Contacts listed as Contactt1/W Contact2/M etc. This is good as I can store multiple numbers per contact. The only downside I believe is that I cannot benefit form using the cars inbuilt aerial which requires Remote Sim Access which I believe Orange turn off.
My Previous phone a samsung had rsap (pair to phone from car kit) but only listed one number per contact (either from phone memory [which will allow more than one number per contact] or the sim), it used the phones aerial but since the phone was so crap in the first place I was lucky to get a 30 second call without fallout.
I would consider enabling rsap on my phone if I can still have access to the windows contacts in the same way I do now, or is Sim Access limited to reading only info on the sim?
I would also consider upgrading to Windows Mobile 6 if it works on my phone and I can have the desired usage that I mentioned previously.
If anyone can make use of the firmware of my phone please let me know with instructions of how to extract and it.
Many thanks for your attention to this matter.
Cheers

Will pay for Bluetooth extension enhancement Program

Is there anyone here than can build a similar program to that of Jetware but for Windows Mobile 6 Devices both smartphone and PDA.
I have a Garmin Nuvi 660FM and with Jetware 1.31 I can get all functions working bar the SMS Reader (which also has the ability to read messages via the TTS Function).
Basically what I would like is a program built into a cab installer than can enable all the fuctions of the Garmin Nuvi and Tomtom devices that have bluetooth car kits built in that also support SMS.
I would be willing to pay anyone for a program such as this.

me too, pleeeease
(ciao)

Same here. The guy that made the extension for the bluetooth sony ericsson watches might be able to adapt it to work with other devices. I tried bringing it up to him, but it seems he ignored my post...

up! up! uP!

NRGZ28 said:
Same here. The guy that made the extension for the bluetooth sony ericsson watches might be able to adapt it to work with other devices. I tried bringing it up to him, but it seems he ignored my post...
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The problem is I dont have any of these devices. I have never seen such thing. And most probably I wont even buy such device because I dont like spending money on cars and car accessories. (I like gadgets that fit into my pocket)

These devices use the same protocols as the watch you wrote your software for. I'd like to program my own little app to interface with all the GPS devices that use those features as well as all the bluetooth car stereos out there. Would you be willing to share some tips, or maybe even source code from your software to help me out with this ?

The BT watch uses a lot of Sony Ericsson specific commands.
You have to find commands that sends the GPS unit - so you may use Windows Mobile with configurated virtual COM and some Terminal software to read the commands.

I believe the GPS units (as well as many car stereos, including mine) actually use the Handsfree profile to send these commands back and forth. The jetware extension has a logging mode where you can see a huge log of all these commands that go on between the phone and unit (whatever it may be). Would it be possible to adapt your application to talk over the handsfree profile ? I think the way jetware did it, is they put a dll between the audiogateway on the phone and device, to intercept all the communication.

The handsfree profile shouldn't be much problem I hope. Try to make some commands log and we will see...

Well guys I dont know much about programming but if you need help or can guide me to getting info I will no probs.
Also I will make a donation to help with the costs and as a thank you for any help.

It's been a while since I've programmed anything, but I'm thinking about writing an application similar to moneytoo's in .NET that will take over where jetware's extension stopped.

Any joy guys ?

I still have money up for grabs for whoever can develop this

I still have money too.

Up up! More money from me also!

The problem with this is the way that Windows Mobile (and the like) handle it's OBEX push abilities..
I have.. searched... called... and looked at so many webpages my eyes started to bleed.
OFFICIAL Garmin 660 (and other) bluetooth supported profile information..
https://www.bluetooth.org/qualweb/ProductDetails.cfm?ProductID=3324
Interesting to note. 90% of the phones out there don't work with the SMS funtion. We can get everything else to work (using the various patches and hacks availible on this web site) But SMS/TEXT alluded me.
Like I said, I narrowed it down to the fact that WM devices handle OPEX/Sync a little differently.. We don't support the classic "Server/Client" mode that the Sony phones do. It's these two that confound me..
- OPP-Server
- Sync-Client
Both are subsets of the Generic Object Exchange Profile (GOEP),.
I found patches, programs and the like that allow these two functions in a fashion.. But I also think the stupid Garmin Software looks at the POD file (informs what functions are avail) for specific phone types that are supported.. Or it could be that our phones just don't report the exact information that the Garmin is looking for, so it just disables the whole thing.
Either way. If someone wants to take a crack at this who has a more experence then me.. PLEASE DO. There is about 40,000 people with this stupid problem and they've all gone nuts..
PS Installing the Widcomm stack does not resolve this problem either.. I spent a week trying too get that @#$%#$%@# thing to work correctly on my wizard.

Well I am prepared to donate USD $100 towards costs to anyone who can develop a working solution, I think other people here also would donate towards a working product.
Thanks for the info and work so far

NRGZ28 said:
I believe the GPS units (as well as many car stereos, including mine) actually use the Handsfree profile to send these commands back and forth. The jetware extension has a logging mode where you can see a huge log of all these commands that go on between the phone and unit (whatever it may be). Would it be possible to adapt your application to talk over the handsfree profile ? I think the way jetware did it, is they put a dll between the audiogateway on the phone and device, to intercept all the communication.
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If i could get a copy of that log it would help trememndously.

I'll send it in a minute.

Guys, any update on this?

[Q] Bluetooth and Cars

There are some very old threads about this - but this is now, pretty certainly, a general stock android 4.3/4 problem with "older" car hands-free systems. My kit is a Galaxy Note with OmniROM right up to date. My car is an Opel/Vauxhall Zaphira with a Navi 900 onboard computer. However there are threads on many android forums complaining of the same symptoms for "pure" stock 4.3/4 devices (e.g. the Nexus range, including the Samsung Galaxy Nexus) and a variety of cars, and all describing the same workaround (and a few lamenting that Google haven't been very responsive in addressing the problem). The symptoms and workaround are:
The car recognizes and "partially" pairs with the phone
However, the contacts list and call lists are empty and the phone cannot be controlled from the car, neither for incoming calls nor for outgoing calls (dialing from the car interface always gives a failed message, while trying to receive or hangup from the interface just plain fails).
Calls using the phone work, and show up on the car interface, always as "Unknown" (not surprisingly - it doesn't have the contacts list)
HOWEVER if, after this "partial" pairing up, I make a 30-45 second call using just the phone itself, then, after the call has terminated, contacts and call lists are properly available through the car interface and the phone can be fully controlled from that interface (and, of course, the FIRST time this happens, I get the notification on the phone telling me the car wants this information, which, of course, I confirm)
A workaround like that can be scripted with something like "Tasker" and using, say, my voice mail number (with my provider here in France, plain fake number calls don't stay online long enough for the above to work).
But does ANYONE have any idea where to start looking for the root cause and possible solutions, or have any theories on those points?
EDIT:
Just to be clear - the workaround "make a call from the phone" trick has to be done every time the phone and car reconnect, not just the first time.

Had this happen in my ford the other day and it's sync system.
The fix for me was a not so visible notification upon establishing the Bluetooth pairing in the notification tray asking if I wanted to allow for my phonebook to be downloaded. Clicked yes and everything set up as normal.

Mgd_toronto said:
Had this happen in my ford the other day and it's sync system.
The fix for me was a not so visible notification upon establishing the Bluetooth pairing in the notification tray asking if I wanted to allow for my phonebook to be downloaded. Clicked yes and everything set up as normal.
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I got that notification AFTER I had done the "make a call from the phone" trick, not before.
I should also point out that the "make a call from the phone" trick has to be done every time I want to reconnect to the phone to the car (while the notification only appeared the first time I did the trick - because subsequently the phone and the car "trust" each other).

Aside from maybe unpairing and trying to set it up again which I am certain something you've probably already tried; have you checked the cars firmware?
Could also try resetting your Vauxhall's system as well in case there is a gremlin in there causing a hang up with the sync.
Again with Fords sync I have had to do it a few times over the years when the systems been misbehaving with the Bluetooth and it fixed it.

Mgd_toronto said:
Aside from maybe unpairing and trying to set it up again which I am certain something you've probably already tried; have you checked the cars firmware?
Could also try resetting your Vauxhall's system as well in case there is a gremlin in there causing a hang up with the sync.
Again with Fords sync I have had to do it a few times over the years when the systems been misbehaving with the Bluetooth and it fixed it.
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Indeed I did the resets. And yes, possibly, an upgrade of firmware MIGHT fix it, but these problems don't occur with Android 4.1.n (or, I, believe 4.2.n).
I've logged a bug with the OminROM developers, but would like some pointers so I myself can start looking at solutions and fixes.

Hmm... Unfortunately I don't know who to assign that JIRA bug to.
Problem is - none of us own vehicle headunits that we can reproduce/test this problem on. I used to have a Sony MEX-BT2500 (technically I still do...) but since I sold my old convertible it just sits and collects dust.

I would agree that this will be a difficult one to find. It reminds me of working with 802.11b/g with it's dozens of "pre-draft" variants that just didn't interoperate properly.
If you wanted to dig into this yourself, the first place I'd look is https://github.com/omnirom/android_external_bluetooth_bluedroid and its upstream and parallel variants. That is the code that generally handles the upper-level Bluetooth management functions.
Edit -- Also worth looking at https://source.android.com/devices/bluetooth.html if you want an overview of how Android implements Bluetooth.
The comments on commits there might also be worth reading through. For example
https://github.com/omnirom/android_...mmit/73ce8ab2ddd30cab6499d0062c46b3a16f9130a9
Fact is however, that the use of SDP features value for peer_features
is new since Android 4.2 and breaks existing good behavior on a BMW
2005/E46 car kit (navi professional). This kit never asks for AT+CHLD
and never via AT commands suggests it supports 3WAY (although it seems
to have the flag set via SDP).​
Not the same issue, but there might be clues of that nature in the commit messages.

Panapacific DEA600 head unit and smart touch screen...

Hey Guys,
I just bought a brand new Kenworth W900, and it has android auto (or something mimicing it) built in... A panapacific dea600... the major problem is it super kludge... amongst being terribly locked down, i cannot connect to an ad hoc wifi thru my windows 10 laptop (that is tethered to my S6 with easy tether)... my tablet can connect to the ad hoc no problems, and my stereo can see the network but cannot connect to it for some reason (i REALLY need to update the trucks GPS maps, and have you tried to use a truck stops wifi? (like dial up))... id really just like access to the OS or another launcher so i can add some apps that i need (no not facebook or stuff like that) and perhaps root and rom it....
its running android 4.2.2... and i can get you the entirely too long software version
Its sad really because this could be cutting edge stuff, but someone higher up had to come up with ways to neuter this damn thing... and look i get that there are things i shouldnt have access to while driving, but it DOES have android web browser built in so its not like they dont want us using it...
i dont expect the world as this unit has only been shipping with trucks for a few months... and many of you may not have come across it... but perhaps it shares hardware with another system and panapacific just stole it (it HAS happened many times)
thanks guys and look forward to replies before i finish going insane

Nobody?

DEA600 - SmartDisplay for Automotive Infotainment
Hey,
I just came across your note while search for this product - I was the software architect/tech lead for the supplier company providing the Android port and the Freescale SOM component of the display screen on this product line - although moved on shirtly after the system went to mass production. - it is awesome to see someone here discuss it!
You are very correct on a lot of you assumptions and assessments. it was a very ambitious project that really tried to leverage as much of what Android was capable of at the time it was planned, but tuned to work as a smart display for commercial vehicles.
The display is only a part of a system of components. The display runs a port of Android 4.2.2 - but highly tailored to its environment - pairs with the Delphi radio unit (as a peer, not as an accessory) and is toghtly coupled to the unit in production. as a security measure.
unfortunately for what you are looking for, though much of the upgrade and app installation capabilities have been locked down to prevent side loading or execution of "unauthorized" apps that don't have special keys fro. the OEM or manufacturer. even if installed, the system manager will kill any apps that are launched without keys.
you may be able to get a developer key from the OEM but I don't know how they chose to mange that in the final system.
thanks for the posting, though - it was a small run comparatively for android systems but it was a pretty damn cool system with what we did get working....
I would be happy to discuss more if you want. - with what I can....
- Chris

DEA600
hi there
i have same head unit in my 389 pride and class peterbilt, for the map part, that you can update by connecting it to your phones internet, either wifi hot spot if not then just connect it with bluetooth and use bluetooth tethering of phone and PAN of your DEA600, but main problem in the system is that you cant put a single thing without pulling breaks, and u cant download a single file by any means, it just displays error that unfortunately process.android. stopped or browser has stopped or settings has stopped. if any one figured out how to download anythimg in this little thing. please update

hello there. I have T-680 with DEA600. I had exactly the same problem and ended up taking my truck to a dealer. it turned out to be defected radio. After it was replaced, it would connect to a hotspot no problem ( im using htc 10).

I have the same unit in my W 900. It is a huge disappointment in many ways. First of all just like any factory radio I have ever seen in a commercial truck the sound quality is horrible. Second I don't like the fact that it locks so many functions when I am driving. I have a passenger that rides with me most of the time that is perfectly capable of safely operating those functions while I drive. This makes the GPS almost useless for the way I like to use a GPS. Good thing I still have my Garman. But really my biggest disappointment is the fact that I cannot get the gauges to work properly. It states that I can choose from over 30 gauges to be displayed however I have been unable to find any way to change from the six default gauges that are there. I have read the manual but it does not explain how to open the menu that lets you choose which gauges are there. I don't know if my unit is defective like one of a red one of yours was or if it just hasn't come out in an update yet. Also if I am reading this right it looks like my display and gauges function are tied to the stereo which means if I replace the head unit I'm going to lose that function. Am I reading that correctly?

Hey guys so a friend of mine has the DEA601 in his new truck and drives him nuts that the passenger cannot control things when its going faster than 5km hour (his old Peterbuilt worked fine).
I'm a software eng and would like to find out how to disable the Distracted Driver feature (like you can do in settings on many other Android Auto ROM's like Honda). What are my options here? a) Make a whole new ROM (but how to do that?) b) try to hexedit the existing ROM and find where the 5 km value is and modify it c) add an add-on app somehow to override this limit or d) other???
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Ckrobin said:
I have the same unit in my W 900. It is a huge disappointment in many ways. First of all just like any factory radio I have ever seen in a commercial truck the sound quality is horrible. Second I don't like the fact that it locks so many functions when I am driving. I have a passenger that rides with me most of the time that is perfectly capable of safely operating those functions while I drive. This makes the GPS almost useless for the way I like to use a GPS. Good thing I still have my Garman. But really my biggest disappointment is the fact that I cannot get the gauges to work properly. It states that I can choose from over 30 gauges to be displayed however I have been unable to find any way to change from the six default gauges that are there. I have read the manual but it does not explain how to open the menu that lets you choose which gauges are there. I don't know if my unit is defective like one of a red one of yours was or if it just hasn't come out in an update yet. Also if I am reading this right it looks like my display and gauges function are tied to the stereo which means if I replace the head unit I'm going to lose that function. Am I reading that correctly?
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I found out in order for the guages to work I need an $800 module my truck didn't come with. Now my biggest problem is the technology seems to have stagnated. The software on my phone and tablet are no longer very comparable with Android 4.2. I try my iPhone and my Android tablet and neither will play Pandora consistently. I am forced to use Bluetooth which looses sound quality on an already low quality stereo. I really wish Kenworth had spent their R &D on making their trucks compatible with idatalink like most aftermarket stereos use.
At this point I am torn between installing a hideaway marine stereo with a remote display and leaving this POS Pans Pacrapic as a display with nono sound. Or installing a line converter and amp and dealing with this clunky software. I wish someone would make a rom to upgrade this thing.

Looks like the Mfg won this round
Looks like the Mfg won this round
I'm driving one of these trucks also and I keep checking this post but I guess we havent incentivized anyone who cud help yet!

The electrical switch must be located behind the air brakes control knob. I'm sure if you pull the stereo out you will find the wires that control the disabling feature. The unit tries to "update" when connected to wifi. Maybe someone can use wireshark and grab the update packet and modify it with root installed. I'm ok with trying anything short of taking the unit apart and Jtag the firmware directly. Would love to see one taken apart.

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The electrical switch must be located behind the air brakes control knob. I'm sure if you pull the stereo out you will find the wires that control the disabling feature. The unit tries to "update" when connected to wifi. Maybe someone can use wireshark and grab the update packet and modify it with root installed. I'm ok with trying anything short of taking the unit apart and Jtag the firmware directly. Would love to see one taken apart.
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This is a 2+ year old thread being g responded to.

What is your point? 2years later and still no solution to the problem. I ran across this thread of people discussing the same problems I'm having with the radio unit. If you got something usefull to add to this discussion then please feel free otherwise you don't need to acknowledge when what was posted that helps me null with my problem.

Anyone here figure anything out?

still nothing

Hello! So I have little tech experience but I am willing to work with someone here to sort this out. Got a 17 w900 that I put a aftermarket double din in and retained smart nav for the gauges. What I did find was the screen (not the radio) gets a input from the wire harness off the ecm to give data to the screen. So I’ll attach a picture of the plug and maybe we can use this plus find it’s female counterpart then get the other end to plug into a maestro box? My Sony doesn’t have maestro. I do have a pioneer that does but can’t justify the cost being the Guinea pig. I’ve already been one of the first to get the tilt column to drop LOW and managed to fit a true 7” double din where the stupid nav was.

SMS sync / send from head unit

Hi all,
Happy New year
I see this has been asked lots before, but I haven't as yet found a simple easy solution. Has anyone ?
I want to access my sms / email from head unit over bluetooth ideally. Headers/ notifications would be nice too.
I thought about using a bigger device such as a tablet, but would have much the same issues Plus charging, storage etc.
Wont be used when driving but when I pull up and go through them and can respond. So not really interested in apps that read them as they come in.
Head unit is a new px5 erising, mtce running android 8 untouched. Works great as is.
Phone is stock S6, android 7. un-rooted. NO usb port. (can only charge wireless)
Happy to install any apps as needed.
I have tried several apps, such as botifier, btnotifier, carmode, easyconnection, hotspot control, several smart 'device' syncs and havent got any to work. Sounds easy but have a couple issues. I dont always have data on as on payg, as most apps seem to want.
Plus not keen on google apps reporting my every whereabouts so dont have Android Auto, telling google execs what colour pants i'm wearing to sell data to advertisers to hound me..
2nd I dont fancy turning on hotspot and messing around to pair up wifi. with every journey (although I have considered getting a small AP, router for the car for both devices to connect to and thus be on the same local wifi network if that helps.)
I'm aware there are about 15 different protocols for it to work on BT which is a p.i.t.a that I dont know which I have on either device. I dont (need to) play music or do anything else from phone.
So is there an android app yet that installs whats needed and just does the simple job of remotely without fuss or needing several trips round the moon to display / reply to my sms texts on my head unit while phone is in my pocket?
Thank you.