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I remember reading a post from a user about the slight ineffectiveness of IIWPO with regard to resetting the device, and I have also seen that it does not quite function properly, so here's what I propose, and plan to initiate work on, as soon as eMbedded VC++ downloads...
application works on the following security level;
a registry setting is created from the cab file after a hard-reset (so it's assuming that the PDA already has a built-in security code as part of WM) that contains a hash of a 5-digit security code, upon the soft-reset of the device, if another registry key that contains an XOR (XOR codes will be hardcoded) of the correct code is not found, then a window pops up, which will create another registry key, in the event that the user soft-resets the device (resulting in the preset number being sent a text) and the software never bothering the user again (in the hope that the user won't smell a rat, and will instead feel rather big and clever). should they however input a code, and that code is incorrect, a message will also be sent, but the program will once again disappear. and if the correct code is input, the program will apply the appropriate XOR version to the registry.
Hopefully, it will also be possible to a) disable active sync until after the program has either had a success with the code, or failure, and also disable all incoming beams, so that the init of the program cannot be bypassed by remote means.
and if you were wondering, IIWTBTPO = Interesting Interaction With Thieving B'stard Then Previous Owner.
comments? suggestions? need me to simplify the convoluted mess of a process?
Couldn't you just put a file into the extended rom, that would load the revelant settings into the registry that:
1. enabling 'strong alphanumeric password' (with a hardcoded password)
2. check 'prompt if device is unused for 0 mins'
3. load owner information (also hardcoded)
4. display owner information on startup
Effectively, on every hard reset, he won't be able to turn off the password, since he'd need to key in the existing password. Also, once the unit goes into standby, it gets locked and the owner information is displayed.
The only 1 chance to defeat this, would be to hard reset; load a registry editor via SD card, and disable the password from there. Any thief who gets this far, would probably also know how to unlock the extended rom and remove these registry settings from there.
I've changed the splash screen in the extended rom for my hp6365 to display a custom .bmp with my 'owner information' instead of the default startup screen on every soft reset. I think it's resonably annoying enough that he can't sell it except to someone else who'd know the unit was found/stolen.
The changes I'd like to see done to IIWPO include:
a) not using "IIWPO" in the registry (user customisable registry key, as well as executable file name)
b) not storing owner name & number 'in the clear' (a simple XOR to hide it would be just as effective)
c) a hash of the entire owner info page (not just the last name) so unit will resend an SMS if any info changes
d) a new sms is resent after a preset time (eg: every 24/48/120 hours for example), regardless if owner info has changed or not.
I don't believe the source is available (I'd like to poke into it if it was), but if IIWPO would do all of the above, i'd remove my custom splash screen, and not make use of any 'locks' that would prevent the unit from being used; Perhaps just 'preload' some owner infomation on every hard reset; but keeping the unit as 'normal' as possible would perhaps increase the chances of recovery with IIWPO.
or flashing a new ExtROM, or soft-resetting right before it rolls out the ExtROM.
if anyone has any info on the Password capability built into WM, I'd appreciate it
After having my last 2 XDA's stolen (Africa), I put this app straight into my VERY expensive JasJar and I'm DELIGHTED to see it works (incl sending the SMS SO discretely that I thought it MUST have tanked). Ran out and made a donation to xda-developers to IIWPO credit straight away!
I'd love to see a suggestion I saw elsewhere; Regular SMS's with theif's recent calls and sms's. Also, a 'honeypot' approach; put an obvious filename (eg Anti-theft.exe) in the startup directory that does nothing, but if deleted IIWPO reacts, and re-enables "show owner info on startup" key. (all this cos I'm not convinced that thieves know to change the owner info)
Also, if someone could provide some strategies for installing on a JasJar where we do NOT have access to the ROM, that would be great! African thieves are not very smart, but I would like it to survive a hard reset.
perhaps it might be an idea to toy with the possibility of hooking into the password screen, if possible in order to have a 3-strikes system whereby if after 3 incorrect tries, the PDA will send a message, and again, upon hard reset, password info is re-applied
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the best thing is - upon theft, The JJ will grow 2 legs,
and start running to the last owner address using Built in GPS..
but seriously:
a password screen that will appear every 24H saying:
"The rightfull owner is *Name*.
contact him at *Number* for a finders fee of **GBP".
The message wont contain "Enter Password:" but upon putting correct password (you can also apply an X,Y screen value like 0,0 which is lower left corner) the phone will unlock.
if he tries to H.R the password screen (in the same format) will appear.
+ after 2 wrong passes / no passes - disable all beams & USB.
so there is no away around it. (I think).
comments any 1?
Olipro - not necessary to hook password screen: write your own.
I'll try and write one one day. I've already done a bit of theft protection, to do the following:
-my plugin will detect an unauthorised sim and sms me back with cellid.
-Optionally hard reset and format the sd card by sms to the stolen phone.
-Am looking into how to "brick" the phone instead...
I don't want to encourage him to flash/hard reset, because then I will lose the SMS/cell id tracking function, so my protection system is benign, hidden in the background.
However, this is for the magician, and not for rom installation (although it can be!). But, I think: if a thief is knowledgable enough to know how to hard reset and flash a HTC phone, I think he's a fellow hacker and deserves the phone. I'm insured either way... however, for non-insureds, you get your own back a bit.
V
as soon as I get some free time from essays... I'll get round to this.
if you want to brick the PDA, then I believe that HimaClearJumpCode.exe when run on the PDA should do the job quite effectively
Ok, most of you may find this totally useless as a plugin, but it was a combination of a request by user Treo_newb and a desire to create a sample plugin project that could be used as a base / example for plugin writers (I plan on doing an article on codeproject.com and this will be the source for it).
What does it do?
This plugin displays a string stored in registry.
The path is:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RegDispPlugin
Value name: DisplayString
It checks if this string has changed several times per second when today screen is shown (as the system sends refresh message to all plugins) and displays the updated message if a change occurred.
What is it good for?
First, if you write apps using mortscript or similar like the user who requested this it will let your script display stuff on today screen.
Alternatively it could be used to mark your device today with a string that isn't as easily changed as user info.
The source is basically a skeleton plugin you can use to build your own plugin on (no license / copyright to limit you) and it already has several tricks needed for the plugin to display correctly:
VGA compatibility
Text size matching system settings
Proper header in settings dialog (like on system plugins)
Proper text color when selected (according to theme)
No blinking all today screen on change
Proper resize when switching between landscape and portrait
When I was writing my first plugin I could not find all these little fixes concentrated in a single article so I had to fish for each one as the bug reports came in.
Hope you will find this little project useful.
The plugin:View attachment RegDisplay.CAB
The source (eVC 4 project): View attachment RegDisplay.zip
Thanks for this!
Thank You Lev.
Thanks, Thanks, Thanks,
You are a legend.
I was almost through with my today plugin and was trying to figure out reading registry values and all of a sudden I get a PM from u about the plugin !!!
Very Cool !!!
OK a few questions,
1. I know that WM_TODAYCUSTOM_QUERYREFRESHCACHE is called for refreshing the today plugin, any ideas about when is it called.
I read somewhere that it was 2 seconds. Is it true?
2. I saw ur code and u have exposed CustomItemOptionsDlgProc in RegDisplay.def, but when I installed the cab file the 'options' is not enabled.
I manually changed the resistry and changed options to dword = 1 and saw ur name and email address.
u might want to enable that by default so that people can notice ur work.
I am planing a commercial release of a new project on basis of this.
Thanks again,
Shailesh
First, you're welcome.
shaileshashar:
1) I ran a debug print on this message once on an iPaq 1710 and it seems to be sent several times per second. This could differ from OS to OS or even from device to device, I am not sure.
If you need specifically timed refresh, or you have an event triggered on new data, I suggest using a timer or maybe a thread that will wait on an event. You can refresh your plugin from anywhere in code by calling InvalidateRect with your window handle.
2) I messed up the cab at first, forgetting to add the Options reg value. Then when I went to upload the fix, I couldn't access the site for about an hour (no idea why, I even rebooted the PC to Ubuntu). Should be fixed now, but I will check it later again (I have to go back to XP for that).
Good luck with your program.
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levenum said:
First, you're welcome.
shaileshashar:
1) I ran a debug print on this message once on an iPaq 1710 and it seems to be sent several times per second. This could differ from OS to OS or even from device to device, I am not sure.
If you need specifically timed refresh, or you have an event triggered on new data, I suggest using a timer or maybe a thread that will wait on an event. You can refresh your plugin from anywhere in code by calling InvalidateRect with your window handle.
2) I messed up the cab at first, forgetting to add the Options reg value. Then when I went to upload the fix, I couldn't access the site for about an hour (no idea why, I even rebooted the PC to Ubuntu). Should be fixed now, but I will check it later again (I have to go back to XP for that).
Good luck with your program.
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Thanks for the help, will check the fixed cab.
Also a suggestion:
A custom icon could also be incorporated. You can give a option to load a custom icon next to the text in the today plugin.
I know anybody can modify ur code and do it but still.
Actually, I probably should have mentioned this in the original post but I have no intention of adding options to this thing.
This would only complicate the code and turn it in to an actual app instead of a sample project.
But by all means feel free to make suggestions. If this thing does become popular, when I am done with my other projects (like LVMTopBat) which won't be any time soon (unfortunately) I will release a separate version of this plugin with all kinds of options that can be controlled both by user (form the options dialog) and by other apps through registry.
Maybe things like text alignment, size, bold / Italic / underlined.
P.S.
The reason I put the string this plugin loads under HKEY_CURRENT_USER instead of the HKLM where the rest of the plugin registry resides is because by default the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE on WM 5 and higher has a security restriction. For example you can not write to it using RAPI, only by authorized (or signed) app on the device. The HKEY_CURRENT_USER on the other hand is open for all.
levenum said:
P.S.
The reason I put the string this plugin loads under HKEY_CURRENT_USER instead of the HKLM where the rest of the plugin registry resides is because by default the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE on WM 5 and higher has a security restriction. For example you can not write to it using RAPI, only by authorized (or signed) app on the device. The HKEY_CURRENT_USER on the other hand is open for all.
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Thanks for the info, I never knew that.
Thank you so much! This was exactly what I was looking for!
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...But by all means feel free to make suggestions.
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As a frequent mortscript user I think, this great app might be even more usefull, if the string was shown in an "allways on top" message box instead of the today screen. The Today screen might be obscured by other active windows during the scripts runtime and the plugin eats precious today screen estate also while being unused, doesn't it?
In that case (of a standalone application) I would furthermore introduce some kind of termination string (or reg. value) to end the display application.
Code:
- start mortscript
- writes first string to registry
- starts display application (run)
- updates string in registry whenever appropriate
- ...
- writes termination string to registry
-> display applications self-terminates
- ...
- end of mortscript
Honestly, I already do use something comparable with mortscript (employing a conditioned sleepmessage loop and reading from the registry too), but this could be much nicer and more elegant.
Just my 2 cents... What do you think?
I think something like that would be better implemented by the mortsrit program it self.
It could be a function like MessageBox API in windows which you could then command on and off. Having it built in would save precious resources on the device that would be wasted by having an extra app run constantly in background.
This is just my thought though.
I'd suggest contacting the developer of mortscript and discussing it with him.
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I think something like that would be better implemented by the mortsrit program it self.
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I'd suggest contacting the developer of mortscript and discussing it with him.
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Mort knew about that request and by chance just announced to so.
Thanks anyway.
Hello levenum,
I just joined the community. Reason being, I found your RegDisplay plug-in
You call it a sample project, but the impact is that of an awesome solution.
Great for MortScript, but equally useful in BASIC applications that write
messages to the registry which is show upon screen minimization.
I regret not being a C programmer (mainly BASIC), else I'd love to further
develop this jewel.
Your plug-in runs flawlessly in an iPAQ 210 under WM6 Classic.
Cheers and Respectful Greetings
Robert
CLSID for registry display plugin
What is the CLSID for the Registry Display Plugin? I am going to have to edit the XML file that defines my home screen in order to get the plugin to show up. I am using Facade to control my home screen, and the only plugins that it will show in its list are those currently in use in one of the XML files in the Application Data\Home folder. All other new plugins require editing the XML. Thanks for your help.
levenum said:
Ok, most of you may find this totally useless as a plugin, but it was a combination of a request by user Treo_newb and a desire to create a sample plugin project that could be used as a base / example for plugin writers (I plan on doing an article on codeproject.com and this will be the source for it).
What does it do?
This plugin displays a string stored in registry.
The path is:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RegDispPlugin
Value name: DisplayString
It checks if this string has changed several times per second when today screen is shown (as the system sends refresh message to all plugins) and displays the updated message if a change occurred.
What is it good for?
First, if you write apps using mortscript or similar like the user who requested this it will let your script display stuff on today screen.
Alternatively it could be used to mark your device today with a string that isn't as easily changed as user info.
The source is basically a skeleton plugin you can use to build your own plugin on (no license / copyright to limit you) and it already has several tricks needed for the plugin to display correctly:
VGA compatibility
Text size matching system settings
Proper header in settings dialog (like on system plugins)
Proper text color when selected (according to theme)
No blinking all today screen on change
Proper resize when switching between landscape and portrait
When I was writing my first plugin I could not find all these little fixes concentrated in a single article so I had to fish for each one as the bug reports came in.
Hope you will find this little project useful.
The plugin:View attachment 41592
The source (eVC 4 project): View attachment 41583
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This is great! I was asked if I could write a today screen plug-in for my weather application (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=445576) - I couldn't since I don't have the skills and I'm writing .NET code - but this is exactly what I needed.
I'm adding support for this plug-in and will of course give credits to you.
Hallo!
I'm working on an application called hTorch and although it is my first vb.net app I was quite successfull so far (at least I hope so ). But one think I'm just not able to achieve: Preventing the device from going into standby/suspend while the app is running.
In C++/C# there semes to be a system call "SystemIdleTimerReset()" but either there is no equivalent for vb.net or I was not able to find it.
Another thought was to modify the according registry key (HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\Timeouts\BattSuspendTimeout) and to restore the original settings on program exit. This works fine except that WM does not apply the settings change immediately when it's done via registry. Again I did some research and again I only found a solution for C++/C# only. A system call named "NWUS_MAX_IDLE_TIME_CHANGED" tells the OS that the settings have changed and should be reread. I wasn't able to find something similar for vb.net though.
Does anybody know a solution for my needs?
Maybe someone could provide me with some sample code how he achieved this within vb.net?
Maybe some C++/C# programmer has build a library to access the power functions?
I would be really thankful for any help/hint you can give me!
Thanks in advance,
DeepThought
The standby mode is in the registry. Make a timer in VB.net and set it with an interval of about 5000 ms. Then make sure that ever time the timer ticks the standby mode will be disabled in the registry
Thank you for the quick response!
But the change via registry doesn't work. When I change the BattSuspendTimeout to 0 that does change the setting correctly. But they become not active. Only after a soft reset. It seems, that you somehow have to notify windows, that the settings have changed. Otherwise the will not be reread.
Any Idea how to achieve that?
I would also like to know if there is a way to prevent suspend.
I think only the pocket pc winmo versions do a real suspend where wifi and applications stop processing, and the smartphone winmo devices only kind of black the screen.
The only software I know is S2U2 which successfully can prevent "real suspend" and let e.g. my led notification work correctly.
Cause i cannot really use it on ks20 due to compatibilty issues i would be very interested in a reg hack, or (if there really is no reghack, i tried alot) some code snipets with which i could build a little app.
There's a pretty good article on CodeProject covering power.
*digs out link*
Here you go - http://www.codeproject.com/KB/mobile/WiMoPower1.aspx
It covers:
* Displaying the voltage, current, and temperature of your device's battery
* Changing the power state of hardware within the device
* Enumerating the hardware in a Windows Mobile Professional device
* Enumerating the power modes that a Windows Professional device supports
* Preventing a device from sleeping
* Toggling the state of the screen's backlight
* Waking up the machine to perform work without alerting the user or turning on the screen
[solution]
Thanks to AndyZap I can now answer the question myself
It is so simple, that I'm really ashamed now.
The magic word for me was PInvoke. Since I new the function I was searching for was an available win32 systemcall the missing link was how I can make this system call within vb.net.
So the actual solution are just two lines:
Code:
Declare Sub IdleTimerReset Lib "coredll.dll" Alias "SystemIdleTimerReset" ()
where "IdleTimerReset" is the name I've given the Sub. Which than just needs to be called like:
Code:
IdleTimerReset()
NOTE: This just resets the Idle timer once. So if you want to prevent the device from going into standby you have to reset this timer every time before it reaches the threshold. (The windows default setting is 60 seconds AFAIK).
THANK YOU AndyZap for your Help via PMail!
DeepThought
Thank you for your answer Northernmost!
I really love this community!
Hi, I'm new to XDA Developers but have been using as a valuable resource over the past few months.
We have a HTC Touch Pro 2 device (WM6.5) that we provide support for to a number of personnel. The client have requested that we change the device settings so that photos have the timestamp applied and secondly that it not be possible to take it off again.
Since we have somewhere in the region of 600 devices to update, we'll need to do this via a registry change through our updates service. Try as I might though, I can not find the setting to do either of these. I have searched on here and google and can't find the answer. Has anyone done this before?
Thanks in advance.
I've been doing some digging on this and found a registry key under
HKEY_Local_Machine\SOFTWARE\HTC\Camera\Image
called 'enableStamp'. However, when I change this on Visual Studio 2005 remote registry tool, it doesn't seem to make any difference on the phone, the menu option stays the same. Likewise, the menu doesn't seem to change the registry which leads me to think it's another setting someplace or the settings are stored elsewhere.
Thanks in advance for any help.
I've finally made a breakthrough on this. I had to export the entire registry, change the value, export the registry again and compare the files. I found that this value
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\HTC\Camera\6.16\Preferences
contains a large Hex value string and found that change a value that was 48 (timestamp off) to C8 (timestamp on) was reflected on the device. This string seems to have a lot of values so I'm assuming they are all to do with options selected in the camera menu. I just hope one of them is to disable the timestamp option now. I've posted this here in the hope it helps someone else.
Hi,
I'm interested to know which debugging/logging tools are available.
I'd like to get more information about the processes at startup, and specially logs of the CPU usage by each application over a period of time.
I've been searching for some time and the only I've found are the old Htc Test applications, but can't get what I want.
Noted that HTC devices have a builtin debug tool (debuglog.dll). Anyone knows how to use it?
Also found the following the following post describing the HTCDiagDriver and the possibility to analyze the device using QUALCOMM eXtensible Diagnostic Monitor.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12624471&postcount=2
Anyone uses it?
Global debuglog can be enabled via DebugTool.exe (available in Htc Test Applications). It depends on debuglog.dll, yeah. Read manual, it works quite well.
Then, if you want to get log for selected app, launch it via IDA.
Also we have CeLog available, I will post needed launchers soon. I can hardly call it useful as we have retail/ship SYS builds. The only useful purpose for us is page faults chart.
EDIT: CeLog attached.
Some of the builds come with the Perfman package. That s.o.b. will really slow down your device, though, and it creates a massive log file, which I could never find the tools to analyze. I think celog does it, though, which is pretty sweet.
The htc debugger works better. You just change one of the debug flags and reset, and the device starts writing the log file. It doesn't slow down the device nearly as much as perfman. I think celog may work on that log file, too. You can royally eff up your device with that tool, though, if you mess with the radio flags. It's pretty cool how it writes to flash memory. Too bad you can't change other things with it like the page pool size.
ultrashot said:
Also we have CeLog available, I will post needed launchers soon. I can hardly call it useful as we have retail/ship SYS builds. The only useful purpose for us is page faults chart.
EDIT: CeLog attached.
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I have been playing with the tool on my Tornado and observed the following (usage related):
Use it while the device is disconnected from PC. The overhead of repllog.exe (connected to ActiveSync on XP PC) and syncing is just filling your log. For my installation (no further MS Mobile development tools on the PC) kerneltracker.exe does not connect to the device anyway.
Though obvious, the files CeLog*.exe have to run on the device, so copy them to a convenient place there.
The CeLogAttach.exe seems to start the kernel logging and it slows down the device (kind of obvious). There is no way to stop this logging. Something like CeLogDetach would be needed, if it exists, to restore the state before CeLogAttach.exe was run.
The CeLogFlush.exe will flush the existing log but also immediately start the logging again.
The CeLogStopFlush.exe does just what the name tells - it stops the flush to file of the (still ongoing) logging.
After transfering the celog.clg file (from \Release\ directory of the device) it can be opened in kerneltracker.exe. Then you see all the kernelactivities logged and aligned per process/thread on a zoom-able timeline (10ms - 10s) including the labels of the logged primitives. With event filtering you can sort out what you are not interested in. Here you may need advice on what to look after when you want to hunt down a certain device behaviour.
I have checked for page-faults, Virtual Memory related actions (Allocate, Copy, Free) and also Module actions (load, free) to get a clue if and how modules and paging (or better said: the use of the Page-Pool) is correlated. Nothing eye-striking coming up here, but it may just be for the unknowing observer like myself.
@ultrashot: I could not find anything I would call a "page faults chart" - where is that - or what is that?
Looking further: If I change certain device properties (like increase the pagepool or playing with OSB advanced options) I fear that the logged information here is just far too detailed for a useful compare. For that you would have to create identical conditions for the action under scrutiny - something that cannot be done with a disconnected device.
So I have to admit that all objective compare of such tuning and tweaking is far above my head and I just have to join the many that make more or less clever assumptions trusting on their model of actions in their heads. I hope that the better knowing heads continue to spread their wisdom without only telling RTFM or guide with LMGTFY (which can help if the results really point to right places).
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@ultrashot: I could not find anything I would call a "page faults chart" - where is that - or what is that?
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Use Event filter->Miscellaneous->Page fault.
I am not too advanced user of this tool. If we had builds with extra celog instrumentation, we could have take much more from this tool. However, there are some articles in the internets about celog, so anyone who wants to be get more info may just try to google it. I don't want
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Use Event filter->Miscellaneous->Page fault.
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That is what I did already when telling about the items I cared below. Page faults are however part of generic virtual memory management and they do also apply for any normal loaded executables. As you know I seek for traces of module related paging and the use of the page-pool.
So it will stay with the trial and error and side-by-side compare with two devices having different settings. Not a big thing doing that...
Some interesting articles on MSDN regarding the paging pool (aka "pagepool"):
Kernel Blog article explaining the fundamentals (highly recommended): http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ce_base/archive/2008/01/19/paging-and-the-windows-ce-paging-pool.aspx
Pagepool Variable explained and simple methods to measure impact: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa451041.aspx
-> this is what kitchentools are patching in the kernel
Then some more backup on virtual memory - just to complete on that:
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ce_base/archive/2006/10/30/what-is-virtual-memory.aspx
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/hegenderfer/archive/2007/08/31/slaying-the-virtual-memory-monster.aspx
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/hegenderfer...aying-the-virtual-memory-monster-part-ii.aspx
And to get back to the debug tools topic of this thread, linked form the first article an introduction to the Remote Kernel Tracker to explain what you can actually see there (and why you cannot see certain things as we have shipped ROM builds and not profiling builds to deal with): http://blogs.msdn.com/b/sloh/archive/2005/05/17/introduction-to-remote-kernel-tracker.aspx
Great insight if you want to get a glimpse of how Windows CE operates under the hood.
...reading a little deeper in the MSDN articles, Sue Loh mentions there when talking about the paging pool size determination:
The best tool I know is that readlog.exe will print you a page fault report if you turn on the “verbose” and “summary” options. If you get multiple faults on the same pages, your pool may be too small (you may also be unloading and re-loading the same module, ejecting its pages from memory, so look for module load events in the log too). If you don’t get many repeats, your pool may be bigger than you need.
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To avoid dealing with a full setup of the Mobile Development toolsets, could any one (ultrashot - you have been so helpful - could you??) post that mentioned "readlog" tool? If there is something like "CeLogDetach.exe", please add it too.
BTW: you may notice that the paging pool is a central part of the Windows CE memory management when it comes to running executable code from "memory mapped files" (as Sue Loh calls them). In my understanding these are simply what we know as "modules".
A lot of tweaking strategies go around that when building ROMs with OSBuilder. There are several ways how to avoid or optimize the use of the paging pool for certain or all modules in OSB. I think these options deserve an own thread and I am not sure if the one OSB thread we have should be cluttered with discussing this.
don't have any of those.