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I am currently a G1 owner on the fence about rooting my phone, as are many others. One of the first issues I've come across is being overwhelmed by forum threads. Unless I have missed something (and if I did, please point me in the right direction!), everything is posted in forums here, requiring people to pour through tons of posts and pick through the right information.
Is there an official wiki or something where all the latest news, guides, FAQs, etc. are being updated? If not, I'd love to start one, but unfortunately I don't have the knowledge to do so (yet, at least). I'm thinking of a super simple, jargon-free site for users to find answers to their questions, and a simple outlined "official" process for how to begin and where to go from there.
For example, some FAQs..
Can T-Mobile/Google "cut me off" in any way if they determine I have rooted my phone?
If I change my mind later, can I go back to original firmware and leave no trace that I ever rooted the phone in the first place? Future over-the-air updates will install with no issues?
Let's say I mess up during the rooting process. Is there always a way out, or am I screwed?
How safe is storing apps on the SD card? What can happen to my phone, and how do I avoid problems?
What are the JFvX.XX firmware releases? How do they work? Are they required? Are there other alternatives?
What if a future OTA can't be hacked, will we miss out on features?
I've seen various different methods of rooting the G1, which one is the most popular and why?
etc.
This is just an idea, but there's all these questions like this that I know many people have. While these questions can easily be answered in forums, I'm looking for a more convenient solution for the community. As official answers are nailed down, it would be great to have a reference to check with rather than flooding forums with questions.
Anyway, thanks for all the hard work from the developers here. It's really exciting to follow, and I can't wait to see what the future holds for the G1!
they have one:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Dream
look first
kay11224 said:
they have one:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Dream
look first
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Thanks for the link, but unfortunately this doesn't seem user friendly (it's filled with unexplained links and jargon), and seems pretty outdated. I'm thinking about info aimed the average n00b end-user here, not developers or people actively following the forums and progress made.
I'm not sure if you understand fully what you're asking. Keeping your phone updated without "actively following the forums and progress made" is a simple task right now, just wait until Google pushes an update for you. If using the search function is too hard for you, I think root access is biting off more than you can chew. All of your FAQ's can easily be found in the development section of the forums. As far as step by step guides are concerned, read the stickies, use the search function, and then ask. It's not complicated at all.
dudinatrix said:
Can T-Mobile/Google "cut me off" in any way if they determine I have rooted my phone?
If I change my mind later, can I go back to original firmware and leave no trace that I ever rooted the phone in the first place? Future over-the-air updates will install with no issues?
Let's say I mess up during the rooting process. Is there always a way out, or am I screwed?
How safe is storing apps on the SD card? What can happen to my phone, and how do I avoid problems?
What are the JFvX.XX firmware releases? How do they work? Are they required? Are there other alternatives?
What if a future OTA can't be hacked, will we miss out on features?
I've seen various different methods of rooting the G1, which one is the most popular and why?
etc.
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1) as far as i'm aware no. They can remove apps from peoples phones (allegedly) but i can't see how they would know you have root, or even care. It's good publicity for the phone if anything.
2) Yup, you can easily un-root your phone and the updates should work correctly.
3) Once you have the hardSPL bootloader loaded it's pretty much impossible to brick your phone, see this thread for details.
4) Not sure about this, so i can't comment
5) the JF firmware releases are essentially hacked firmwares, created by JesusFreke, that allow us to get root access (among other things ). they are incredibly easy to install and they are required for certain things such as, multi-touch. as far as i know, there are no alternatives.
6) They will be as everything is open source. I imagine xda will have a firmware hacked within hours of it's release
7) personally, i find this way the best. nice n simple and easy to follow.
have fun
Iceucold said:
I'm not sure if you understand fully what you're asking. Keeping your phone updated without "actively following the forums and progress made" is a simple task right now, just wait until Google pushes an update for you. If using the search function is too hard for you, I think root access is biting off more than you can chew. All of your FAQ's can easily be found in the development section of the forums. As far as step by step guides are concerned, read the stickies, use the search function, and then ask. It's not complicated at all.
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I am perfectly capable of handling root access. I am a Linux system administrator (among other things) by profession. I admit, this would be my first attempt at "hacking" a device and thus voiding the warranty, hence my hesitation and "noob" questions. Using the search function is not my concern here, but I can appreciate where you're coming from.
What I'm talking about, and what appears to be misinterpreted, is an information source for common end users, not developers or tech-savy users. If I have questions about rooting the G1, certainly those less technically inclined do as well. And unfortunately for them, they don't necessarily even know where to begin looking. I'm talking about people like my brother in law, for example... who probably never used a forum in his life, but wants to have multi-touch on his phone, or change his themes, or find a solution to his constant "low storage" warnings. People like him don't care about hacking into the phone and getting all this flexible access for himself. They just want to take advantage of what's already been achieved, but unfortunately require root to do so.
I agree that it is pretty simple to root the phone, but face it you have to be somewhat comfortable with technology first, even just to obtain the information.
Perhaps now isn't the appropriate time to wrap things up in a bow and give to the general G1 user base in a tidy little easy-to-digest package. As things develop further it may just naturally come about, perhaps via installers or something. I just think it would be helpful to many to have a source written for the common folk with jargon-free information... considering the more people get their hands on it, the more successful the platform can become.
And to Metlus, thanks for being receptive and answering my questions kindly without making me feel judged for asking what I assume many think is a "just search for it" type of post.
Meltus said:
1) as far as i'm aware no. They can remove apps from peoples phones (allegedly) but i can't see how they would know you have root, or even care. It's good publicity for the phone if anything.
2) Yup, you can easily un-root your phone and the updates should work correctly.
3) Once you have the hardSPL bootloader loaded it's pretty much impossible to brick your phone, see this thread for details.
4) Not sure about this, so i can't comment
5) the JF firmware releases are essentially hacked firmwares, created by JesusFreke, that allow us to get root access (among other things ). they are incredibly easy to install and they are required for certain things such as, multi-touch. as far as i know, there are no alternatives.
6) They will be as everything is open source. I imagine xda will have a firmware hacked within hours of it's release
7) personally, i find this way the best. nice n simple and easy to follow.
have fun
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Great post meltus!
If and when you do decide to root g1 take your time and breathe, really isn't too hard just nerve racking the first time. I did it and im not a pro at all so you will probably breeze through it! The advancements made so far are unreal, auto browser, themes and many more make rooting well worth it in my opinion
I'm not sure if it gets any easier than this, but gizmodo today posted what looks like the easiest "recipe" yet for rooting the G1:
How To: Hack Android For Multitouch Web Browsing on the T-Mobile G1
on rooting and maybe making a custom rom for the cdma hero? i know the hero sdk was given out the devs just recently.
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on rooting and maybe making a custom rom for the cdma hero? i know the hero sdk was given out the devs just recently.
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Yeah this needs to happen. I'm so sick of looking at sprint nascar and other crap loaded on this. it's like getting a new laptop with bloatware and not being able to scrub it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=572286
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=572286
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Shouldnt this thread get moved to the CDMA section?
Sorry for being a 'troll'
Keep asking everyday.
Wooooaaaaahhhhhh...
I read this forum almost everyday. I read it because I am excited to see what's going on. I enjoy being 'right there' on the latest news. Quite honestly, everyone who visits this forum should be excited to see this phone get 'rooted.' This makes it customizable to our liking and not what HTC/Sprint likes for us.
I use Sprint Navigation, but that's about it. My real point being that I love XDA, PPCGeeks and all these other communities because they are as excited as I am, typically. People are posting because they want to know how its progressing and how the process is done. I know I would be interested in learning about rooting, cooking, so on and so forth. It's interested watching these pro's and noob's alike come together on this new challenge.
Not to mention we got our first CDMA sub-forum that I've seen on this site. It must mean we have a spot here and that the Hero will be rooted and mods/themes will be available. Not to mention that it could be assumed that things will move faster on our device than others simply because the GSM version is already rooted, along with other Android devices.
If you don't like what's cookin', get outta the kitchen...
notrock said:
This is getting out of control. The phone has only been out for 3 WEEKS!!!!! (GSM doesn't count) Everyone including myself wants the Sprint ware off. But in reality its not in our way. I don't think anyone working on it is going to answer in fear of being annoyed to death. As time draws near I'M SURE THERE WILL BE A THREAD 'I almost replaced the boot loader on the CDMA hero' Or do you honestly think we are being intentionally left in the dark? I'm pretty sure no HTC device was able to be flash after week 3. I'm also pretty sure reverse engineering a boot loader takes some time and quality control. But go ahead rush this process.
What if it takes a YEAR or not at all?
Are we going to continue to see daily posts?
Will this madness ever end? Are people capable of enjoying a great phone without flashing it?
I love how 'Bump' has been replaced with 'I subscribed'
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Bro you are way off base, the original poster probably came to the forums seen the CDMA sup forum for the hero then created a post asking for updates. Not a big deal really.
And in the original posters message he was asking if people needed help so if an offer to help is rushing the process then I for one am all for that.
notrock said:
This is getting out of control. The phone has only been out for 3 WEEKS!!!!! (GSM doesn't count) Everyone including myself wants the Sprint ware off. But in reality its not in our way. I don't think anyone working on it is going to answer in fear of being annoyed to death. As time draws near I'M SURE THERE WILL BE A THREAD 'I almost replaced the boot loader on the CDMA hero' Or do you honestly think we are being intentionally left in the dark? I'm pretty sure no HTC device was able to be flash after week 3. I'm also pretty sure reverse engineering a boot loader takes some time and quality control. But go ahead rush this process.
What if it takes a YEAR or not at all?
Are we going to continue to see daily posts?
Will this madness ever end? Are people capable of enjoying a great phone without flashing it?
I love how 'Bump' has been replaced with 'I subscribed'
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dude.. are you serious? now i have been doing the forum thing for years now. Usually an observer. And I guess I do see my share of post of people getting mad for other enthused people asking questions about progress on certain things. But congratulations! You earned my response, and not many have. I just need to say chillax! Go troll somewhere else. You are worst then the people who ask idiotic questions (not that this thread is one at all)
p.s. Sorry everyone for wasting your time with this nonsense. I don't make it a habit.
SoLo
Please don't discount me as some ignorant noob despite my fairly low profile account.
I actually used to have an HTC Touch Pro 2 and used to flash custom ROMs like it was my job but once I got an EVO I decided against it because I didn't really have any complaints with the stock system. Until now of course.
I accepted the OTA update over the air without really knowing what it was. So I decided to go online and research what was actually included in the update and after doing some XDA searching was quickly refreshed on the joys of flashing customs. In the painful irony of it all, I quickly realized that by accepting the update I had screwed myself into some custom flashing purgatory where I suffer from that "itch" for a new custom ROM that we all know.
Anyways, long story short, I was wondering if there was any type of sticky/thread that is continuously updated on the progress of a 2.3.3 exploit or maybe the progress of the unrevoked team so that when I search for that sense of hope multiple times a day I can simply check one location. I did some searching for such a thread but returned no results.
Thanks in advance and hats off to the devs for all that they do.
damn....that sux that you had no complaints until AFTER the OTA update. thats definitely a bad stroke of luck.
I would say, in the mean time, try out different home launchers to try to get the different feel for them (i.e. if it's the Sense launcher that's bugging you, change it up ) I like both LPP (LauncherPro Plus) and ADW...tho I prefer LPP
and to answer the main question: No...there isnt a sticky or thread discussing the progress of the root exploit.
freddykrue said:
I accepted the OTA update over the air without really knowing what it was. So I decided to go online and research what was actually included in the update and after doing some XDA searching was quickly refreshed on the joys of flashing customs. In the painful irony of it all, I quickly realized that by accepting the update I had screwed myself into some custom flashing purgatory where I suffer from that "itch" for a new custom ROM that we all know.
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hopefully the devs will get the exploit out soon so 1)we stop getting the threads demanding the exploit (im not saying this is one of them...just saying that there have been 1 too many of those threads as of late) 2) so that you can start experiencing that "itch" again
I personally will take the OTA and then reroot after the exploit is out so that I'll know how to help others
Progress won't be mentioned until the actual exploit is found, so there's no need to search for a progress report. Until the exploit is found, the progress would be "nothing yet"... so that's pointless to post. As soon as a root method is made, you won't have to search for it. Go to the Evo Q&A section and you'll see questions about it - you'll see discussion & celebration in the General section. You'll probably see the root method itself (unless it's Unrevoked) in the Development section. You won't have to go past the first page to know it's here.
That being said, there's no need for a sticky. And unless you're trying to build a root method yourself, no need to search.
People have to realize that these devs do this in their free time, for free. It bothers me that people that have never given these devs anything expect the new root method now. I'm not talking about you, but so many others come here whining about nobody telling them when it will be ready or about nobody rooting it yet, as if they're owed something. If I had the skills to find a root exploit, I would stop working on it because of these kids *****ing and moaning.
Again, I'm not talking about you... I'm just ranting.
I agree completely. I found it funny that you guys call these guys "trolls." It's perfect. On the PPCGeeks forums back when I was flashing for my HTC Diamond we just called them douchebags but I like trolls, it's clever.
I also wish I had the skills to discover the exploit. I would love to give back to the community. It's all a little over my head though. I'm just another guy reaping the benefits of those generous enough to provide a more enjoyable experience from our devices and liberation from the corporate *cough* horsesh;t.
freddykrue said:
I agree completely. I found it funny that you guys call these guys "trolls." It's perfect. On the PPCGeeks forums back when I was flashing for my HTC Diamond we just called them douchebags but I like trolls, it's clever.
I also wish I had the skills to discover the exploit. I would love to give back to the community. It's all a little over my head though. I'm just another guy reaping the benefits of those generous enough to provide a more enjoyable experience from our devices and liberation from the corporate *cough* horsesh;t.
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the worst part of this thread is that you think you're experienced/old school 'cause you used to flash a diamond. dude, that phone is pretty new in my mind. sit down and read. if it comes up, it'll come up.
detusueno said:
the worst part of this thread is that you think you're experienced/old school 'cause you used to flash a diamond. dude, that phone is pretty new in my mind. sit down and read. if it comes up, it'll come up.
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The HTC Diamond is like 3 or 4 years old by now. These days that's an eternity. I tried using my old diamond for a week or so a couple of months ago, and while I still love the size and form factor, I can't stand the lag factor. The os of windows mobile doesn't bother me, but the lack of power sure does.
detusueno said:
the worst part of this thread is that you think you're experienced/old school 'cause you used to flash a diamond. dude, that phone is pretty new in my mind. sit down and read. if it comes up, it'll come up.
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I wouldn't consider myself old school at all but I would say I have experience. I was flashing for about 2 or 3 years with a combination of the Diamond and TP2.
I'm not crediting myself with any kind of "elderly knowledge" if that's what your concerned about. Some newbs probably know more than me definitely with the Evo being a different OS altogether.
And yes, I loved the phone but the lag was unbearable.
Before people start *****ing about this being a "n00b" question, hear me out.
This forum absolutely SUCKS for learning how to actually do the things that are mentioned here all the time. I've been following this forum every since a I got a tf101 in December, and yet I STILL have yet to see one up-to-date and accurate description on how to root. The current 'how to root' post dates back to December.
I had a tf101 for nine months now and still haven't rooted simply because I've never seen an easy tutorial on how to do so.
Same thing for installing CWM, or for flashing a rom. I've always wanted to do so, and I really want to flash a JellyBean rom today, but I realized that every relevant post is either outdated or not helpful at all.
Please take this as constructive criticism and not as a n00b complaining or asking questions. XDA is a great place with great people, but every single "READ THIS FIRST" post or "BEGINNERS LOOK HER" thread is so convoluted and messy that it's impossible to glean any information from them. Most of them link to twenty other threads that are just as confusing.
I hope this makes sense. I guess I am now obliged to say: "sorry for the noob question"
Thanks,
wontstoptalking
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1688012
Should explain it all.
A little tip to make it easier if your using the XDA app change it to 50 posts per page instead of 10 makes everything easier to take in.
Edit after you get root and recovery id recommend you install goo manager from the app store and install TWRP recovery because using touch trumps key presses on a tablet
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Thanks. Sorry if my OP seems a little harsh or frustrated, but it IS frustrating when you ask a pretty simple question in a thread ("how do I root?") and you get people saying USE THE SEARCHBAR! Which gives you two types of threads: tons of threads telling you how to root in tons of different and potentially outdated ways, and then tons of threads ASKING about how to root (which only get redirected to the searchbar again).
I mean, there are just so many old threads and alternate ways to do things that it's nearly impossible to just figure it out on your own, even with the searchbar.
I've always enjoyed the "always up-to-date" Lifehacker posts, like "The Always Up-To-Date Guide to Jailbreaking"
http://lifehacker.com/5771943/the-a...jailbreaking-your-iphone-ipod-touch-and-ipad-[ios-511]
(link for reference)
Because currently the "READ THIS" posts are really outdated or not very helpful.
Anyway, thanks!
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Ok, so I'm following the EasyFlasher instructions, and there are things I don't understand. What USB mode do I use for the transformer? Do I enable usb debugging? How do I install the APX drivers? I mean, you don't have to answer these, I'm just saying that a definitive guide that is always up to date and consistent would be nice. I'm sitting at the menu that says "flash" afraid to do anything because the thread says that ADB drivers are required, but even when I tried to manually install the drivers it wouldn't work. Do I need the SDK downloaded to do this? That's what one thread seems to indicate, but not the other. This is why XDA drives me crazy sometimes.
Not to jump into your thread too much, but you sound just like I did when I first showed up here wanting to root my tablet. I'd become pretty comfortable rooting my phone and previous tablet but this once had me stumped for a while. The one that worked for me (and made sense to me when when I used it) was viperMOD PrimeTime v4.6 | Auto Root/Unroot/Busybox/CMW Flash. In fact I just mentioned this to some other guy in a different thread. I couldn't get any of the others to work for me but this one did.
My tablet was just updated to ICS (from Asus) when I did it (if that matters).
Rooting is the hardest part in my opinion. Once you have root and a recovery installed flashing to another ROM, or even another recovery, is pretty easy - wipe your caches, select a zip file and reboot. Tada. Rinse and repeat when the 'new thing' comes out.
Rooting is something people usually only do once, then move on so it's generally not a topic people want to revisit, or maybe even remember doing in detail so don't be too put off by XDA's brisk attitude in the General Forums.
grgmre said:
Not to jump into your thread too much, but you sound just like I did when I first showed up here wanting to root my tablet. I'd become pretty comfortable rooting my phone and previous tablet but this once had me stumped for a while. The one that worked for me (and made sense to me when when I used it) was viperMOD PrimeTime v4.6 | Auto Root/Unroot/Busybox/CMW Flash. In fact I just mentioned this to some other guy in a different thread. I couldn't get any of the others to work for me but this one did.
My tablet was just updated to ICS (from Asus) when I did it (if that matters).
Rooting is the hardest part in my opinion. Once you have root and a recovery installed flashing to another ROM, or even another recovery, is pretty easy - wipe your caches, select a zip file and reboot. Tada. Rinse and repeat when the 'new thing' comes out.
Rooting is something people usually only do once, then move on so it's generally not a topic people want to revisit, or maybe even remember doing in detail so don't be too put off by XDA's brisk attitude in the General Forums.
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Thanks a ton for this. I'll look into it. I'm actually gonna try to sell my 101 first, nab a good $250 so I can get a Nexus 7. If I get no buyers, I'll go through with the rooting and flashing (I want to try selling first because if I brick it or something... then I'll have nothing to sell haha).
Again, I apologize if my OP was a bit of an angry, noobish rant... I know that XDA generally hates those. But I do think it is a real problem that it's hard to learn anything on this forum if you have 0 experience to begin with. So for those who helped me out, thanks very much.
I know that since the original ICS update, there were one or two other updates (trying to fix the rebooting problem, I think) and I'm wondering if your root solution will still work for these new updates. I guess you wouldn't know since it doesn't affect you anymore, so I'm just throwing this question out there.
There are so many choices and I am a bit overwhelmed on what I should use. I have the Note 3 SM-N900W8 version, this phone is for my dad. I just want a simple android environment that would be Google certified(if that's a thing) so he can use apps that do not like root like Netflix. I was hoping something that is similar to base android 6 or later, I have no idea which roms would work that would be simple to use. I was hoping something like what I would use on my Nexus 6p called Pure Nexus, but obviously, it's for that phone only but would have been perfect. The current one he uses is always giving him trouble when updating apps with security options that he never has any idea what to do, so I get stuck having to do it for him. Sorry that I am all over the place with this post, but hopefully someone understands and knows what would be good. Thanks
See multiple identical what rom best rom posts .
ROM descriptions are posted .
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-3/development
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-3/orig-development
I would suggest if its for somebody else and you don't know what you are doing/ cannot read rom descriptions then stick with stock rom .
Yes I am very aware of those pages, I was just hoping from someones experience, if anyone has come across something similar to Pure Nexus. I know how to install and all that stuff. Starting to feel it was a mistake to post this thread...
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Yes I am very aware of those pages, I was just hoping from someones experience, if anyone has come across something similar to Pure Nexus. I know how to install and all that stuff. Starting to feel it was a mistake to post this thread...
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It is hard to say what your need for a rom are. Every one uses there devices diffrently. What works great for me might not be good for you. And viseversa. There are never stupid or dumb questions. Even though it has been asked many times over. Best advice is to search and read and try each of them to see what fits your needs.
Btw i have at&t so I am limited on what roms I can use as I have a locked bootloader.
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It is hard to say what your need for a rom are. Every one uses there devices diffrently. What works great for me might not be good for you. And viseversa. There are never stupid or dumb questions. Even though it has been asked many times over. Best advice is to search and read and try each of them to see what fits your needs.
Btw i have at&t so I am limited on what roms I can use as I have a locked bootloader.
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Thanks for the advice, I am researching over what is available and taking my time to make sure I choose the right one. Thanks again.