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Making the switch. Iphone to Android.

I figured I'd spread some positive press about the N1 seeing as how BGR and some others are bashing it.
http://www.techcrunch.com/2010/01/09/android-iphone-switch/

Holy crap! somebody sensible! good read for sure. I hope to seemore articles like this one.

finally an article that doesnt say something along the lines of "X feature in Nexus is Great! But at the same time it sucks!"

But for anyone considering making the jump to Android, you need to keep one thing in mind: many of these early adopters have been using their iPhones non-stop for years. And it takes days, if not weeks, to unlearn your iPhone habits and judge Android on its own merits.
Imagine if you took a longtime Windows user and sat them in front of a Mac for a couple days. They’d probably complain about superficial things like the change in mouse acceleration and the “unintuitive” button placement (the Close button is on the opposite side of the window). It’s not until a week or two after you start using a Mac as your primary computer that you overcome these issues and begin to fully grasp some of the benefits it offers. No, it may not be for you, but there’s really no way you can tell for sure without taking the plunge and using one as your primary computer. It’s the same way with Android.
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Why can't everybody be as open minded as this guy?

TechCrunch has been giving good press to the N1 sense before release, that and LifeHacker featured an article or two. It's not all negative, you just have to steer away from the fanboy sites.

Good to see a positive write up!

Its kind of annoying but from me I can tell you is that I wanted an iphone sense it was released. I now have a G1 for about a year& I did plan to buy an unlocked iphone for tmobile. But after playing around with my ipod touch vs my G1 I realised that it wasn't really fun then I started hearing about the nexus one&after reading about it&seeing it in action the iphone doesn't even exist to me. Eventhough I kinda hate my g1(feels to bulky to me now) I now plan on buying a nexus the end of the month
So yup I was a hardcore iphone fan then out popped the nexus!
(So much more you can do with it. Vs iphone)

A+ article! The first really objective stance I've seen, he can talk about some of the short comings and room for growth in android without acting superioristic.

I'll post some more links as I find them.

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A+ article! The first really objective stance I've seen, he can talk about some of the short comings and room for growth in android without acting superioristic.
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Awesome article. It shows and explains exactly the basis behind these garbage reviews.

SystmDcln said:
I figured I'd spread some positive press about the N1 seeing as how BGR and some others are bashing it.
http://www.techcrunch.com/2010/01/09/android-iphone-switch/
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Bravo, on the most balanced article I've read on the Nexus One yet!
Well thought out, informative, and revealing.
Thank you.

I said something similar to this in another thread... basically, how can engadget do a full review on a device they used for prolly a few hours? they had the bloody review up on the 4th of Jan, 1 day before it came out... how do you review a phone that is not out yet? a review should take at least 3 days of extensive looking at, otherwise call it like an initial thoughts review and then do a full review after you have given the phone a week or so of solid use...
i think adaptability to a phone is an element that many people do not realize, apple is king at this because their devices and software are so simple and straightforward... android takes some getting used to since there is navigation and lots of "room" on the device to make it your own... every iphone is the same with just different icons for different apps...

JHaste said:
I said something similar to this in another thread... basically, how can engadget do a full review on a device they used for prolly a few hours? they had the bloody review up on the 4th of Jan, 1 day before it came out... how do you review a phone that is not out yet? a review should take at least 3 days of extensive looking at, otherwise call it like an initial thoughts review and then do a full review after you have given the phone a week or so of solid use...
i think adaptability to a phone is an element that many people do not realize, apple is king at this because their devices and software are so simple and straightforward... android takes some getting used to since there is navigation and lots of "room" on the device to make it your own... every iphone is the same with just different icons for different apps...
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Certain people get the phone earlier for promotional purposes, and reviews. They, I'm simply assuming, had the phone for longer than atleast a day (pure assumption, but I know they did have it atleast before release - atleast they should have -). I do get your point though.

As promised a little more positive press for the Android community.
http://www.businessinsider.com/charts-of-the-week-android-taking-the-wind-out-the-iphones-sails-2010-1

Great article, ive got 2 people switched from iphone to android so far and 2 more that are gonna get the Nexus, thats what i tell everyone, try it for a month then see if you want your iphone back, and they never do. One of my friends was tellin me at work a week or so ago that he wishes he listened to me earlier about goin Android, and he has a Cliq now, imagine if he had this beast haha.

I stopped by the Tmo store today to return a car charger they said would work with my N1; the rep was falling in love with my phone, when he mentioned how he currently has a Cliq and hates "that f**ing thing!".
It seems the press is being paid by "somebody" to write idiotic BS about the Nexus One. Meanwhile, everybody that lays a hand on it, falls in love almost immediately.
Things that make you go "hmmm..."

I haven't really had anybody stop and admire my Nexus yet. I sort of got my co-workers turned on to Android bragging about my G1/MyTouch etc, and they really were impressed with the phone. The main thing that is keeping people from making the switch so quickly is the lack of superb well designed apps. Yes, there are good apps on Android, just not enough and they often lack polish. Kevin Rose just did his review and it was pretty positive.
http://kevinrose.com/post/326066321/nexus-one-review

SystmDcln said:
As promised a little more positive press for the Android community.
http://www.businessinsider.com/charts-of-the-week-android-taking-the-wind-out-the-iphones-sails-2010-1
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That's december too..
This month should be interesting.

Make the switch. you might like it.

Update:
Steve Wozniak..you know that guy who helped create Apple?..Yeah he loves his Nexus.
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/01/steve-wozniak-shocked-the-tech.ars

WTF is going on ?? (Calling for death of Nexus One))

http://newstrendstoday.com/nexus-1-...the-3g-screen-problems-on-the-nexus-one/03117
Some users say they have trouble calibrating the touch screen on the Nexus One, the Google smartphone.
The first steps of Google and their Nexus One on the smartphone market does not seem as peaceful as what the Internet giant could wait. After linkage problems encountered on the 3G network T-Mobile in the United States, some users are pointing the finger at the screen of their device.
Android forums on Google, as stated by our colleagues from Engadget, there are reports of problems calibrating the touch screen One of the Nexus. They would start to feel the phone and he would put it to sleep, then on again to resolve them. Google provides to address these problems, they come from a software bug will be resolved by a patch. If the material is concerned, HTC, manufacturer of the Nexus One, might have to intervene under the warranty.
For its first week of marketing, Nexus One has sold 20 000 copies in the United States. A rather low figure who led Google to drop the $ 100 price of the device.
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http://www.nytimes.com/external/gig...m-should-google-kill-the-nexus-one-60352.html
Google this morning postponed the launch of two Android handsets in China in a clear indication that the company’s rift with Beijing threatens its booming mobile business. Meanwhile, the Nexus One has seen lackluster sales amid widespread complaints of technical glitches. So with Android’s future in China uncertain, and problems mounting with Google’s decision to build and sell the ideal Android phone — the Nexus One – is it too early to wonder whether Google will pull the plug on its flagship phone?
Google indefinitely pushed back the launch of two handsets slated to debut tomorrow from China Unicom, dramatically upping the ante in its high-profile showdown with the Chinese government. As Om noted last week, China accounts for more 638 million wireless users, and handset sales are expected to grow by 21 percent this year alone. And the market could be especially ripe for Android given its support by some key players in the region: members of Google’s Open Handset Alliance include operators China Mobile and China Telecom as well as Huawei and ZTE.
While a governmental crackdown could lead to versions of the open-source OS that are far less integrated with Google’s mobile apps, the escalating conflict means that Google will be unable to control the evolution of Android in China. And it surely closes the door on any potential Chinese sales of the Nexus One — throwing yet another roadblock at the struggling handset.
Google appears to have overreached in launching its own branded handset. The search giant was clearly unprepared to deal with the customer service issues that inevitably arise in the retailing business, and splashy headlines of customer backlash are tarnishing its highly respected brand.
The company has obviously overestimated demand for an “official” Google phone, selling just 20,000 handsets in the first week it was out, and its strategy of competing against its handset and carrier partners has limited upside and risks losing the widespread support that has fueled Android’s growth. It may be unfair to predict doom for a handset that came to market just two weeks ago, but it’s becoming clear that taking on the role of mobile retailer was a mistake for Google. It’s too early to predict that Google will kill the Nexus One, but it’s not too early to wonder whether it should.
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Ive been a techy most of my life. Ive been on nerd bomber and geek forums since 97 followed every bit of Tech I could get my hands on since that time.....I am having a miserable time trying to find another piece of consumer electronic with this many "news sources" hell bent on seeing it fail.
Not windows ME , Not XBOX 1 , Not Nextel , Not Wii....nothing.
Im baffled as to wtf is going on.

I thought I was the only one who noticed all the negative attention google is getting. I freakin love this phone. There is nothing that will make me think this isn't the best phone I've had, ever.

It's not about the quality of the phone

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It's not about the quality of the phone
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So what is it ?
Is fanboyism that strong ?
Are people THAT pissed at Google for not giving it away free and saving them from telecoms...or
Are Apple/MS/Palm lining writers pockets ?
Im by no means saying Google isnt having a multitude of problems. On 2 big fronts right now....but the tone of these articles is blatantly biased.

Perhaps people are scared of something different. Google is the punk kid to Apple's primp and proper 'young adult'. They must be heathens.

Huh?
its about Google completely miscalculating the process of selling this product via their site.
Its about Google releasing a product not ready for consumption.
Its about a failed marketing ploy....(ie: a lack of, ...trying to create a mystique and engender a word of mouth wildfire.....backfiring, as the word of mouth has been primarily about the issues with the device.
What does fanboyism have to do with any of this?

Personally, I don't think I would "listen" to a website review and analysis that can't even form a proper sentence. That first article was seriously hard to read, and didn't make sense for about 50% of it.
None-the-less some of the tech community loves to hate the phone. Fanboys, or whatever may have you, they are not being fair or balanced in the coverage. Granted, we are a biased community, but we are also one of the most critical as well. I haven't seen such love for a phone on XDA ever! Usually, we are all sitting around saying we can't wait for it to be properly unlocked so we can flash some crazy cooked ROMs so the phone doesn't suck too bad. Instead, many are wondering whether it is even worth rooting the phone(and eventually flashing custom SPLs) because stock already is so damn good!
Here is the deal, IMO, given that Android is bursting onto the scene right now, and starting to hit that tipping point, just ignore it! By the end of this year, over half the available smartphones on the market will be Android. And that is the real reason for the outcry. There is a lot of money at stake, and many tech publications have owners/sponsors they need to keep happy. Google is not known for being a very profitable advertiser for websites(great for small sites, but big ones make much more money off a true sponsor), and Google doesn't and isn't willing to do that.
But those sites will, given time, have to come around. If they do not, they run the very real risk of allienating their following, and in turn losing out on advertising dollars because they are no longer the hot site. Engadget, and the such, have to keep on top of and out in front of the trendy wave, or they are screwed.

rockky said:
Huh?
its about Google completely miscalculating the process of selling this product via their site.
Its about Google releasing a product not ready for consumption.
Its about a failed marketing ploy....(ie: a lack of, ...trying to create a mystique and engender a word of mouth wildfire.....backfiring, as the word of mouth has been primarily about the issues with the device.
What does fanboyism have to do with any of this?
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I'm not talking about Engadget perse an obviously biased review... im talking about say the average daily return of say a google search of Nexus One which brings predominantly a litany of commentary of.the problems google and.customers are having with the device.
That is NOT good and is NOT fanboyism.

For its first week of marketing, Nexus One has sold 20 000 copies in the United States. A rather low figure who led Google to drop the $ 100 price of the device.
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I'm pretty sure Google only lowered the price for an upgraded plan on T-Mobile because of the network issues that were occurring on their service. That statement from the article is misleading because the original prices are still in place aside from a $100 reduction for upgrading on T-Mobile.
I've also noticed a lot of negative publicity, more so than other things. I think with something this big, there's bound to be more scrutinizing going on than usual. You've got the best hardware spec'd phone releasing on the market, on the newest Android platform (basically ready for mainstream consumption), with Google selling it (of all companies).

On the 20,000 N1's sold.
I dont see Google giving up on the N1.
The day Vodafone sold 50,000 iPhones in Europe, the tech-press was quick to jump on comparisons with the 20k N1 sale figure. This is so wrong, it ain't even funny.
The online sales model is
a. New
b. Untested
c. Unique
On account of #a and #b above, Google would not have pegged a very large demand figure for the first month of the N1. The strategy they've adopted will take time to settle in, and I'm sure they're prepared to do that. The N1, as they've repeatedly stated, is the -first- in what will be a long series of phones, and the N1 online sales figure will be viewed as a test case by Google, not as an indictment of the model's success/failure.
Agreed, Google has not hyped up the N1 as much as they ought to have done. As others have pointed out before, the Moto Droid's marketing campaign has done much more for Android than the N1's launch has done, and for that, Google alone is to blame. Forget comparisons to phones of a fruity nature, the N1's launch and subsequent marketing is disappointing even against other Android devices.
Here's something for the tech-press to chew on though.
What would've happened, had Google launched this (admittedly) superphone for $179 in brick-and-mortar stores, whether their own or in T-Mobile's and other networks' stores? What would the number have been then?

I don't see where you're getting the idea that everybody is hell bent on seeing the Nexus One fail.
I've had "nexus one" in the news and weather widget since day one, so I get just about anything with those two words in it as a news article. Yes, there are a few iPhone fan boy web sites out there that just wont admit the N1 is a great phone. But by and large, after the first week, and after other writers have had time to spend with the N1, they always like it, and a few have even dumped their iPhones for it.
The rest (and vast majority) of the articles out there are pointing out Google's major miscalculations with regards to the launch, shipping, and especially support of the Nexus One. They just weren't ready.
Now, since Google and the Nexus One are getting SO much press attention, any little problem the phone encounters, whether it be HTC's fault, Tmo's, or Googles, is getting sent out on BLAST.
It's Google that screwed up. Not the Nexus One. And nobody is calling for it's death, save for a couple loser fan boys.

From what ive seen and heard (like my tech podcasts) lots of people are 'reviewing' the phone with out actually getting their hands on it to test it for themselves. There does appear to be a significant amount of bad press for what seems like no real reason.
Oddly on the GDGT podcast they talk about the nexus one, the first 30seconds of the review they talk about how awesome the phone is and its the best thing they have used since the iphone, and then they spend the remaining 30minutes of the review highlighting all of its faults?! Odd!
Nevermind, think its probably just die hard iphone fan bois coming up with negative press. bah.

There is definitely some biased reviews out there from people obviously bent on not showing the whole truth or just completely stating b.s.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/187147/what_google_must_learn_from_its_nexus_one_troubles.html
When the Nexus One was announced, I was disappointed, since there were just a few improvements over existing Android devices. The fact that Google was selling the device directly over its Web site seemed to be much ado about nothing, given that buyers had to sign a T-Mobile contract to use it. Plus, it's not as if Web sales is a new idea.
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Didn't know buyers had to sign a contract to use the phone. That's interesting.

This is the best phone i ever had. My friends with iphones are shocked by how good it is. Iphone become a history on nexus release. Paid reviews will be popping everywhere against Nexus one.
I never had any problems. Market forces do not want google succeding in delivering a better product than existing technologies of windows and iphone.
You would listen to any lie, and all of them are proved wrong by good people in youtube videos.
Thanks Google and HTC for making such a wonderful phone.

I was suprised how Engadget is attacking it and google...Stopped respecting their news now.

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I was suprised how Engadget is attacking it and google...Stopped respecting their news now.
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I haven't visited the engadget site since their review. That review was ridiculous; Especially the browser test. Therefore, I will no longer give them my ad revenue generating views.
htcmagic said:
This is the best phone i ever had. My friends with iphones are shocked by how good it is. Iphone become a history on nexus release. Paid reviews will be popping everywhere against Nexus one.
I never had any problems. Market forces do not want google succeding in delivering a better product than existing technologies of windows and iphone.
You would listen to any lie, and all of them are proved wrong by good people in youtube videos.
Thanks Google and HTC for making such a wonderful phone.
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This has been my experience also. I've had die-hard apple fans gush over my nexus one. No joke. People see it, ask to play with it, and then they want it. Now, if google would only allow family plan upgrades.... I've had multiple friends who have family plans say that they would order it without hesitation if they could use their upgrades.

britoso said:
I was suprised how Engadget is attacking it and google...Stopped respecting their news now.
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britoso, i thought i was the only one. I was following their coverage of nexus launch and where so ironic and nasty about the phone, i couldn't believe it either. I have unsubscribed from their rss in google reader. They are not worth the read for me.
Aslo lots of people proved them wrong about the browsing speed on youtube compared to iphone.

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I was suprised how Engadget is attacking it and google...Stopped respecting their news now.
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You won't understand unless you are experiencing the problems. I am not a Engadget fan at all but this time I am very glad that they covered it and put some pressure to Google. I am really frustrated about the touch screen issue.

I would of had ordered the nexus one the day it came out, but had issues with tmobile. Because no one at tmobile had a clue what was going on, and trying to fix my account, so i could order the phone for a reduced cost is not googles fault its tmobiles! i talked to 11 different people including 2 supervisors. they all are to dumb to look at my paperwork in the system to realize i got an upgrade 12 months prior when i got my g1. the people at tmobile store are to dumb to update the system. oops!!!!
i received the phone 5 days after the inital release, thought it was bs to pay 379, but thats what i paid for the g1 and its half of the hardware in the n1. i took it out of the box, started it up to make sure it worked. then rooted it!!!!
there may be a glitch here or there, which is not a big deal. its a brand new version of android, which no other phones have currently. so obviously there will be a few complaints. but when thousands of people are using a new device, they happen to find a few more problems then a few hundred. its just common sence.
those people that have an issue take a chill pill, this phone has great hardware on it, and has a great operating system. my phone has better hardware on it then some of my friends labtops...... and what did i pay..... 279 compared to what they paid for their labtops....
so regardless of what people say, i am a big fan of android!!!! have been since the day i picked it up and found out it was a linux kernal. thats the reason i bought my g1. but it was laggy, and slow, and didn't have a headphone jack. i had to wait a year for the n1 to come out, but it finally did. so everyone that has an issue with the N1 then go f*** yourself!!!!! ill be waiting happily for android 3.0 to come out!!!!

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I don't see where you're getting the idea that everybody is hell bent on seeing the Nexus One fail.
I've had "nexus one" in the news and weather widget since day one, so I get just about anything with those two words in it as a news article. Yes, there are a few iPhone fan boy web sites out there that just wont admit the N1 is a great phone. But by and large, after the first week, and after other writers have had time to spend with the N1, they always like it, and a few have even dumped their iPhones for it.
The rest (and vast majority) of the articles out there are pointing out Google's major miscalculations with regards to the launch, shipping, and especially support of the Nexus One. They just weren't ready.
Now, since Google and the Nexus One are getting SO much press attention, any little problem the phone encounters, whether it be HTC's fault, Tmo's, or Googles, is getting sent out on BLAST.
It's Google that screwed up. Not the Nexus One. And nobody is calling for it's death, save for a couple loser fan boys.
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Maybe I need to capitalize the N in nexus one. Because my widget and going online has pointed to almost exclusively negative statements about the N1.
There was an explosion of articles based on Engadgets reviews...there was another explosion after that ridiculous screen test ...then another batch with the 3G issues.
Very few places are givig the N1 a fair shake. Ars technica , Diggnation/Kevin Rose , Leo Laporte being the only ones I can name that seemed either unbiased or admitted any bias.
Engadget , Boygenius ,TechCrunch,PC ,World etc have given some bizarre reviews and baseless feedback.

What is wrong with people (RANT)

hold on to your horses, this is a long one:
Why is it that whenever someone picks up my phone they say, "its just like an iPhone" or "its an iPhone wannabe" or something along those lines. About the only thing the Evo has in common with the iPhone is a touchscreen and camera. One of my friends said it LOOKS like an iPhone. HOW?? It has red accents, a kickstand and something I think the iPhone lacks, character. Apple has a lock on the smartphone market for the average consumer, and it infuriates me. The Evo is, IMO light years ahead of the iPhone, as is Android as an operating system. iOS4 is just now starting to catch up to Android in terms of necessary features, and is still lacking in other departments.
With the announcement of iPhone 4, the ONLY thing that the iPhone does better is the display (I would still prefer the mammouth Evo screen), the battery (will have to wait for reviews to confirm) and camera. Also, I have to admit that the video editing on the fly capabilities are very slick. The thing that has pissed me off the most is the "revolutionary" video chat feature in the new iPhone. BULL! With the Evo, I can video chat ANYWHERE I want on a dependable network, not only when I'm tied down to a WiFi network.
I just wish people weren't so "OOOH iPhone" like. Don't get me wrong, Apple makes phenomenal products. I'm writing this on a Macbook Pro with my 2 iPods charging next to me. But I think people really limit themselves when it comes to the mobile market. The only thing I applaud about the iPhone is what it has done for products today, the Evo most likely would not be here today if not for the iPhone. I used my dads iPhone to download and play some random game, in the middle of the game he got a text message. I was absolutely amazed that there was no way to see what the message was without exiting out of my game on this "magical" device. It could've been an urgent SOS from my brother saying he was being held at gunpoint at a bank, or it could've been my mom asking if we had any milk left. How do people function like that???
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iPhone 4 is another letdown just like iPhone 3GS. I had the iPhone 3G and didn't upgrade to the 3GS because it was not enough to move me. Anyone who says Evo 4G is a iPhone lookalike is a fanboy.
They put the iPhone 4 display against the plain ol' background on a 3GS. How are you going to compare a background that's in grey to a black plain one. A real comparison would be a JB'n iPhone 3GS background with a background of the iPhone 4.
I'm open to new things and I will admit I jumped the on iPhone due to the hype. I soon became really bored with it and the fact that my phone would constantly go into safe mode. JB's iPhones are so unstable as far as crashing.

Honestly, the iPhone got so much attention because apple can afford to market it like a mofo.

They are going to deceive people with this whole retinal display BS. I will hand it to them that the built in GYRO is cool. I'm pretty sure there will be cool apps but still not interested in it let alone the price of owning one.
I had ridiculous amounts of drop calls that I still have nightmares. I find myself looking on my Evo screen when I hear silence just to make sure it didn't drop it. Thankfully I haven't dropped a call yet.

gqstatus0685 said:
They are going to deceive people with this whole retinal display BS. I will hand it to them that the built in GYRO is cool. I'm pretty sure there will be cool apps but still not interested in it let alone the price of owning one.
I had ridiculous amounts of drop calls that I still have nightmares. I find myself looking on my Evo screen when I hear silence just to make sure it didn't drop it. Thankfully I haven't dropped a call yet.
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You should be safe, I've never dropped a call on Sprint. When my Dad is working in NYC, its not even worth making the call. Even at the Indy 500 a couple weeks ago he couldn't complete a call. Nothing about it makes sense, it baffles me.
The developer community is incredibly strong, but even that argument doesn't hold up too well. Most good apps for iPhone have a Android app, or at least something comparable.
It makes sense none of us get it though, it is an Android board. We've seen the light

The only thing I applaud about the iPhone is what it has done for products today, the Evo most likely would not be here today if not for the iPhone. I used my dads iPhone to download and play some random game, in the middle of the game he got a text message. I was absolutely amazed that there was no way to see what the message was without exiting out of my game on this "magical" device. It could've been an urgent SOS from my brother saying he was being held at gunpoint at a bank, or it could've been my mom asking if we had any milk left. How do people function like that???
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Not that i'm defending the iphone or anything, but you can't really do anything about a text message without killing what your doing on an android phone either. Unless you have sms popup app http://www.appbrain.com/app/net.everythingandroid.smspopup

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Not that i'm defending the iphone or anything, but you can't really do anything about a text message without killing what your doing on an android phone either. Unless you have sms popup app http://www.appbrain.com/app/net.everythingandroid.smspopup
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I was more referring to the notification system in Android. In [almost] any app you get a little preview of what the message is and who sent it in the notification bar. It's not perfect, but worlds better than nothing.

Thats the power of Apples advertising. Everyone knows the iPhone. Its so bad that even "tech" people compare every phone to the iPhone.

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I was more referring to the notification system in Android. In [almost] any app you get a little preview of what the message is and who sent it in the notification bar. It's not perfect, but worlds better than nothing.
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agreed, though then there's apps that are full screen

op, you're wrong.
iphone vs any other phone (best android phone at the moment) is very relevant. Both phones have a lot in common with each other with some key differences.

Well I did notice that the new iPhone seems to have taken some design cues from HTC, I remember when I first saw the leaked images of the new iPhone the first thing I thought was "hey, that looks like the HD2"
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The evo is a lot like the iPhone and without the iPhone we probably wouldn't have Android at all. We would be here still making windows mobile 6.1 roms.
I'm a big fan of Android, but give credit where credit is due. Apple created this industry, google ,ade it great, and Microsoft still hasn't shipped a significant update to their flagship mobile operating system.

The average person is an idiot.
The iphone can be successful used by 5 year olds.
Their success is entirely because if two thing. What it does it does well. KISS.

We all should thank Motorola (although they butchered the Android name).
They got the Android OS out there. They have marketed the Android heavily and I am glad.
But because of them, however, is why people call the Android system "Droid."

I guess the Apple fans can agree to disagree and they have that right. When it come to little touches I would have to give the edge to apple on it. I would have given another thought had it had a larger screen to really take advantage of that resolution. But in the grand scheme of things and Apples marketing process they wanted to be the worlds thinnest phone and claim longer battery life and this might not have been achievable with a 4 inch display. The Samsung galaxy is close at 9.9 mm. They added some perks to their software update and now claim to have made the best multitasking method for the mobile phones. We will have to see about that.
What I don't like it the many unfair claims towards the Evo for battery drain. I have not seen those numbers yet on my phone. So to all the journalist tech bloggers who reviewed the Evo please re-review them or correct your article because I only read a few that said "in all fairness the Apple iPhone 3gs lasted just as long". The battery has been what has hurt the Evo more than the 4G network in the reviews.

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The evo is a lot like the iPhone and without the iPhone we probably wouldn't have Android at all. We would be here still making windows mobile 6.1 roms.
I'm a big fan of Android, but give credit where credit is due. Apple created this industry, google ,ade it great, and Microsoft still hasn't shipped a significant update to their flagship mobile operating system.
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I wouldn't go that far, I am pretty sure we have WinMo and PalmOS to thank for Android, considering Google purchased Android Inc. in 2005, back when the iPhone was just rumor and speculation.

Anyone fed up with the iPhone fanboys making SGS look bad?

as per title there are so many threads trying to put people off buying the SGS, im almost positive they arent real sgs owners.
as the rumors of the 'not up to par' screen (wtf? i mean rly?) and laggy phone complaints, just seems to be spreading, somethings up

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as per title there are so many threads trying to put people off buying the SGS, im almost positive they arent real sgs owners.
as the rumors of the 'not up to par' screen (wtf? i mean rly?) and laggy phone complaints, just seems to be spreading, somethings up
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Hm, the above looks a lot like a "fanboy" post....
People compare phones all the time, and like it or not, the iPhone is a benchmark device for many.
For me, some aspects of the iPhone are better than the Galaxy S, some are worse.
Overall, I think I'll stick with the Galaxy S, since I love the screen and believe that Android is getting better. But, currently, the iPhone does provide an overall smoother, more polished user experience, and definitely better battery life, IMO.
Being objective does not mean one is a fanboy. Posting threads like this on the other hand....

screen wise i'll take AMOLED over the iphone iris whatever screen.
lag... well only affects the non tekki people, but even if i was technologically challenged, i'd not mind rebooting the phone.
heck all the previous phone i've had, it was normal thing to have to reboot them several times a day, specially windows mobiles ones, and all the memory leaks.
on PalmOS it was only when a specific software hungs

I don't care one bit.
I bought this phone for a reason, it stands up to what i wanted from it, and more.
Even if the army of apple fanboys tries to take people "off" buying this phone, i don't know if you follow the news, but it sells MASSES. Crossed over 1 mil units since launch, and that's even before U.S carriers launcehd it.
Plus it's supposed to arrive in 110 contries total, while now it only sells in 13 or so.
So let the apple fanboys say and do what they want, i don't feel any obligation to "fight" them.
Anyone who will get interested and see it's a good device- will take it, regardless of what iZombies say.

lol macboy shutup, i cant be a fanboy you silly ass, ive never owned a samsung
my point is the guy who wrote an essay about how bad he thinks the SGS is and why he is returning it, has got nearly 2000 views on that thread. will put people off and we want more owners for better support.
thanks

OP, do you consider me one of the iPhone fanboys making SGS look bad too?
BTW, which threads are you looking at that make you feel so persecuted?

You're free to write an essay about why you won't buy an iPhone too... I doubt it'll get very popular though, as there are thousands of those out there already.

it really comes down to "to each their own" choice to get a phone they "believe" is working the way they "think" it is working "properly" for them.
there is no such thing as a perfect phone, else there would be no need for XDA forums LOL

Phone comparisons are done all the time. people come to forums like this one, some to voice their point of view, some just want confirmation, but most just want comfort after purchase.
Each to their own seemed to be the best way. If you go to iphone forums, you will see iphone bashing posts no worst for wear than any other groups.

speaking of iphone fanboys
be sure to close the door and put your coffee down before watching this video
http://www.break.com/index/iphone-4-vs-htc-evo.html

All serious phone-blogs, that compared the iPhone 4 with the SGS
come to the conclusion, that the SGS is the better choise.
And for all the fanboys out there: the SGS does not drop a call
when you touch the bottom of the phone with your left hand!

You should go to a poor reception area and do a death grip on your SGS. This problem does affect SGS. I've tried it.

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lol macboy shutup, i cant be a fanboy you silly ass, ive never owned a samsung
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You are a fanboy..., you just don't know what you are a fan of
I think it's good to have varying opinions and threads - then people can see both the negatives and the positives and make a better informed choice.

eaglesteve said:
You should go to a poor reception area and do a death grip on your SGS. This problem does affect SGS. I've tried it.
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and how does the "death grip" work on the sgs?
what shall i do?

jesus - shield the antenna on any radio and it will not get a signal - wtf

eaglesteve said:
You should go to a poor reception area and do a death grip on your SGS. This problem does affect SGS. I've tried it.
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Bull, I tried and and at worst I lose a bar for a second or two.

I always laugh at people who think a phone is worth arguing over.
You pays your money, and takes your choices. There are some people to whom I would never recommend a Galaxy S TBH, and as an ex iphone owner, I still think the iphone is a great phone, but in the end, I was attracted to the google OS and the limitless customisation possibilities. I wanted this, but I also wanted a screen that could rival the iphone 4, and really only the Galaxy S in the UK can do that.
Frankly though, as a phone for the every day person, the iphone is so utterly superior - I wouldn't give my dad a Galaxy S, but I would give him an iphone. I dont think he could be bothered to flash firmwares manually or do NAND fixes or ROM upgrades. He just wants it to work straight away. However, its this "basicness" that put me off the iphone in the end. With some work, in my view, you can end up with a phone OS with Android that far surpasses any iphone in terms of sheer power and flexibility.
Each to their own though.

Frankly though, as a phone for the every day person, the iphone is so utterly superior
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And a single official firmware upgrade rumored to come next week can change all that. It's way too soon to draw conclusions like that.
Best advice right now for "the everyday person" is to keep their money in their pocket for a little while longer since neither phones are working like they should.

eaglesteve said:
You should go to a poor reception area and do a death grip on your SGS. This problem does affect SGS. I've tried it.
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Theres a difference between the SGS and the iPhone, SGS bars drop, but as a video out there on youtube shows, the download speed remains the same, even when going from 4 bars to 1 bar.

larryccf said:
speaking of iphone fanboys
be sure to close the door and put your coffee down before watching this video
http://www.break.com/index/iphone-4-vs-htc-evo.html
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I just cried laughing

Apple insider rips android a new one, retains its childish fanboy charm.

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...till_half_baked_next_to_iphone_app_store.html
Quite the entertaining read, I applaud the degree of smugness, I could never be so pretentious towards something. It is apple insider though so take it worth a grain of salt.
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hrmm android market is changing to 15 minute refunds instead of 24 hours huh?
That sucks

skydeaner said:
hrmm android market is changing to 15 minute refunds instead of 24 hours huh?
That sucks
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This is correct.

Currently the Android market is the only app store that has a refund policy. webOS, OVI store, BB store, and app store do not have one. So at least we have one at all, gives us an advantage. Reading that article from Appleinsider does not surprise me, they have been criticized for bad articles for a long time. Apple fanboys seem to be the worst of all the platform fanboys.

While the app store is a much better experience in my opinion, I don't understand why they boast that you can download apps up to 2GB in size on a device that has no expandable memory option?

nukedukem said:
While the app store is a much better experience in my opinion, I don't understand why they boast that you can download apps up to 2GB in size on a device that has no expandable memory option?
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It's really no big deal. You can buy a new one each year with more geebees.

I will never understand why people would want to read something so biased.
Doesn't matter what side it's biased to.

Blitzpwnage said:
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...till_half_baked_next_to_iphone_app_store.html
Quite the entertaining read, I applaud the degree of smugness, I could never be so pretentious towards something. It is apple insider though so take it worth a grain of salt.
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haters gonna' hate but most of what they say is still mostly true.

nukedukem said:
While the app store is a much better experience in my opinion, I don't understand why they boast that you can download apps up to 2GB in size on a device that has no expandable memory option?
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The EVO has something like 300 MB of internal free space for apps. Froyo's move to SD feature doesn't move the entire app to the SD, just non essential, storage type of app data. So even if you have a 32 GB SD card, you'll still eventually be hosed by the limited internal memory. You could root and modify to completely move the apps to the SD card but it's not perfect and it only benefits the 1% of users who know about rooting.
The iPhone on the other hand has a 32GB version without that limitation.

True, it does contain facts. Unfortunately, they are buried deeply under all of the overly opinionated bs. I mean, they are pretty much saying that its a nice little facelift and all, but the app store will always be better because its made by Apple, and we all know that anything Apple makes must be the best thing ever, assuming you're holding it right of course.
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Yeah most articles contain facts, somewhere, that doesn't make the obvious bias acceptable by any means.

And they neglect to mention the fact that, without root, you are free to download to, and install apps straight from, your computer...thus bypassing many of the complaints in the article.

How anyone can criticize Android for being "fragmented" then ignore that apple has taken the easy way out convincing a nearly blind mass that one device is "the best" and that it's not bizarre for everyone to carry around the exact same phone.. is beyond me.
Who knows, maybe apple isn't the only company trying to take over the world, but at least Google is giving anyone a shot at helping shape the Android experience.

Dear God, I really don't know how these people even walk around. Doesn't it physically hurt to be that much of a pretentious ass?
Mini-rant -
Almost every Android user can admit that the iPhone is pretty cool and has some neat features, while enjoying their own flavor of Android phone. However, I have only met ONE iPhone owner who has ever strayed from the path that Steve Jobs laid down for them and admitted that Android has it's own merits and advantages over iOS.
It's frustrating trying to have an intelligent conversation with an indoctrinated brick wall about the differences and awesomeness of both phones.

Good comedy on a slow morning. More facts were omitted than mentioned. Apple's invisible acceptance criteria for their own apps was totally ignored. Your app needs to benefit the future pov to be accepted. Can't blame him, the gui battle was painful.
Back on topic, it seems that itunes is the future hinge pin for apples' added capability. It offers an umbrella for moving content. So e-books and data and executables are all mac cloud by itunes.
So in as much as I have the utmost respect for apple, small minded blogs are really quite funny and indicate where the blind spots are.

Many years ago I learned to never discuss your competition unless they were a real threat and you were trying to divert attention away from your shortcomings by pointing out theirs.
We should consider it a compliment that a self proclaimed high end @pple resource found the need to dedicate time and bandwidth to defend their product by attacking ours.

And since Tom Tom was mentioned, who needs to buy a nav program for their phones these days? Oh, that's right, iPhone users do! Falling behind there, aren't they? I'll use my free nav and if I need something with on board maps,? I'll buy a whole PNA for around the price of the app. Apple has fallen far behind Android in navigation. I don't know how they can possibly catch up.
See how that works?
The problem with big games on the Android side is that there's been no equivalent to the iPod Touch and for the last 7 months, the dPad . The limited battery life off a modern smartphone still make it a relatively poor high power gaming platform. I bet without the Touch (and to a small part dPad), John Carmack wouldn't be talking favorably about the iPhone either. With the avalanche of tablets about to overtake us, that whole landscape may change. Meanwhile, we always have the Apple marketing created FUD that spews from their fanboi network to enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q2vjMeEquoand how many rappers make videos about the iphone? Lets see... none.
lets see how about the EVO... tons such as/....
http://www.goodandevo.net/2010/09/hd-music-video-shot-with-htc-evo-4g.html[/URL]

I personally can say from expierence when I was looking for a new phone the two phones I had in mind was the HTC EVO and the Iphone4 . I looked over both providers (Sprint vs AT&T) and compared prices and such . At the start of it all both phones were neck and neck for me . Then the Apple antenna issue popped up , I stepped back and watched how Apple would handle the situation , still keeping the HTC EVO in the back of my mind . After watching Steve Jobs talk about how users were holding thier phones wrong and how it was actually AT&T's fault due to their network it became a total finger pointing fight . Mean while the HTC EVO was still sitting there in my mind with very few issues besides a issue with battery life . After doing more research I found the Iphone also suffered from battery life issues itself . Months prior to its release the iphone was said to be having a removable battery , that feature never came to be when it was released . Long story short , Apple changing the removable battery idea and the Steve Jobs blow out It pretty much pointed me straight to Sprint and the HTC EVO . Ever since then I have never been happier , but I still see videos of apple owners who litterally look like zombies when talking about apple products . Hell the woman who activated my phone at Bestbuy had a iphone 3G and her words were "The iphone4 is awesome I must have it , Im going to get one" . Granted the statement alone wasnt funny but the fact he eyes litterally buldged out and glazed over was the killer part .To add further insult to injury , there was a small crowd of Iphone4 owners there was well when I got mine . I over heard comments like this "Ohh you wont drop calls if you hold it like this." "No you are holding it wrong hold it like this" . I was littlerally besides myself laughing my ass off listening to the whole conversation . Apple owners might consider us Android owners lower than them , but I can say this much Id much rather be with the lower crowd then in that crowd ROFL

uniquenameevo said:
It's really no big deal. You can buy a new one each year with more geebees.
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Just like Apple intended!