I'm sure this can't be too hard...
I'm playing around with converting YouTube videos so they can play back on my Dopod. Currently I am using Free FLV Converter v3.5.0, but I always get video that play back jerky in Windows Media Player Mobile 9 (off my 8GB MicroSD card).
Can anyone recommend the best settings for video on a Hermes? Currently using:
Codec: WMV2
Size: 320x240
Video Bitrate: 750Kbps
Frame Rate: 25
Aspect: Auto
Audio Codec: WMA
Frequency: 22050
Channel Mode: Mono
Audio Bitrate: 96Kbps
Google a copy of Any Video Converter. I use it to convert WMA, FLV, anything really into MP4 format (Which our phones record in natively, so playback is smooth and clear). I use the follow video setting in Any Video Converter after choosing the mobile/pocket pc option:
Video Codec: MP4
Video Size: 320x240 (This fills the whole screen in landscape)
Video Bitrate: 512
Video Framerate: 30fps
Audio Codec: aac
Audio Bitrate: 64
Sample Rate: 11025
Audio Channel: 2
Disable Audio: 2
A/V Sync: Basic
With these settings, the video's I convert look nice.
Thanks, but do those play back in Windows Media Player Mobile 9, or do you use different software to play them back?
Using those settings in Free FLV Converter v3.5.0 results in an AVI file that gives "Cannot Play File" when trying it on my Dopod
Woohoo! The exact same settings with the free version of Any Video Converter works perfectly! Thanks!
I tried many H264 ACC encoder, such as jetaudio and Format Factory. But all of it didn't have a native resolution and basic profile setting for X1
If you have a high demand on video playback.
You could try the GOM encoder. it support the RMVB to H264 + ACC, and it can limit the basicline profile 1.3 and native resolution for X1 WVGA (800x480).
I encoded many video by GOM encoder, the quality is very COOL ~~~~ I am highly recommend of it
http://www.gomlab.com/eng/GMP_download.html
On beside, the GOM player still is beta version and the internet connection is require while running the encoder.
***The beta encoder it will encode a GOM encoder logo on the top right hand corner around 10sec ***
*** Please make sure tick the "limit basicline [email protected]" checkbox and force the output file resolution to 800x450 (16:9), otherwise the video playback on X1 will very unstable***
Dude use MEGUI. It's can encode just about anything and in any resolution. Been using it to convert my blurays to smaller files to stay on my computer for streaming.
you can try SUPER as well...
nap007 said:
you can try SUPER as well...
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I got a error message while running Super on my Windows Vista, didn't know why so many video encoder have problem on Vista
http://www.effectmatrix.com/total-video-converter/index.htm
Total Video Converter 3.14
very easy mp4 h264
this encoder is excellent highly recommended it makes ur 800x400 screen to a mini hd-tv
simdao said:
I tried many H264 ACC encoder, such as jetaudio and Format Factory. But all of it didn't have a native resolution and basic profile setting for X1
If you have a high demand on video playback.
You could try the GOM encoder. it support the RMVB to H264 + ACC, and it can limit the basicline profile 1.3 and native resolution for X1 WVGA (800x480).
I encoded many video by GOM encoder, the quality is very COOL ~~~~ I am highly recommend of it
http://www.gomlab.com/eng/GMP_download.html
On beside, the GOM player still is beta version and the internet connection is require while running the encoder.
***The beta encoder it will encode a GOM encoder logo on the top right hand corner around 10sec ***
*** Please make sure tick the "limit basicline [email protected]" checkbox and force the output file resolution to 800x450 (16:9), otherwise the video playback on X1 will very unstable***
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How did you manage to get yourself a full version of GOM encoder because I can't find a way to buy the software.
What is the video bitrate you guys are using? Also anyone converting to xvid instead of mp4? What is the best setting for xvid?
SPB DVD????
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s.u.p.e.r is a very good programm.
but nvidia kaboom and tcmpg 4.0 xpress can transcode on geforce hardware (8xxx+9xxx+02x0).
on my gtx280 i can transcode with 250 fps (kaboom). really nice!
anyone care to write a tutor for the best encoding video for the x1? I've tried so many different programs and the video playback is sluggish. I use core video player btw
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anyone care to write a tutor for the best encoding video for the x1? I've tried so many different programs and the video playback is sluggish. I use core video player btw
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CorePlayer doesn't take advantage of the hardware acceleration atm so it won't play H.264 videos that well. The best I can get CorePlayer to play is about 1000kbps divx with any resolution. Obviously the video looks worse as you raise the resolution but keep the 1000kbps data rate.
I mainly use the video player in the SE multimedia panel, which does use the hardware acceleration and can play H.264 videos at 800x440 at 1000kbps very well and looks better than the equivalent divx.
As for programs... for encoding divx to avi for Coreplayer, I just use virtualdub. For encoding H.264 you can use a number of apps, but a free one that's ok and was mentioned on these forums is http://www.videora.com/en-us/Converter/iPod/
Basically just create a new profile for the X1 using 800x440 or whatever resolution you want, and set it to about 1024 kbps using H.264.
dinan said:
CorePlayer doesn't take advantage of the hardware acceleration atm so it won't play H.264 videos that well. The best I can get CorePlayer to play is about 1000kbps divx with any resolution. Obviously the video looks worse as you raise the resolution but keep the 1000kbps data rate.
I mainly use the video player in the SE multimedia panel, which does use the hardware acceleration and can play H.264 videos at 800x440 at 1000kbps very well and looks better than the equivalent divx.
As for programs... for encoding divx to avi for Coreplayer, I just use virtualdub. For encoding H.264 you can use a number of apps, but a free one that's ok and was mentioned on these forums is http://www.videora.com/en-us/Converter/iPod/
Basically just create a new profile for the X1 using 800x440 or whatever resolution you want, and set it to about 1024 kbps using H.264.
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Thanks I will try what u suggested. I'm using cucusoft dvd converter btw
Edit: I tried with cucusoft converter, this is my profile. Video bitrate 725 kbits/s, H.264/AVC codec. Resolution 800x450. Audio codec acc 96kbits/s. I played with the default SE player, video kinda choppy and sluggish. I dont know what I'm doing wrong
Any updates on this?
i have made a full script for auto converting a full directory of videos:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=453684
if someone interested...
Some news on the GOM Encoder
With the newest version, there is a option update on "limit basicline [email protected]" . Now you can set it to 1.3 or 3.0.
I've tried 3.0 and it is working fine.
I don't know what's the effect for changing to 3.0. I just assume new stuff and bigger number are better.
Honestly, has anyone figured out what the best settings for Video/Audio encoding are for SE player? Does it have hardware acceleration?
I havent, video still laggy as hell, i use both windows media player and SE media player panel.
Just tried Videora free converter yesterday and today, and works great at 320x240 MPEG (did first one at two passes but you get a 1gb file instead of 500Mb and it really looks the same on the phone screen). And really not laggy at all....I'm not going to say you don't get an occasional jaggy but not very many. Biggest problem is the 1hr+ encoding time per movie
total video converter is best
works grt on xperia
and very fast too
other thn other programms
I think it's about time for us to clear a few things up concerning video playback on the X1.
The X1 can play most codecs using Coreplayer Mobile.
However, to optimize video's for the X1 and windows media player, a converter such as SUPER can be used.
Please note that optimizing your X1 is advised. See this thread for more information.
Now what I would like to find out is what settings work best for the X1 to playback video with a few different preset configurations.
What we need to know is the optimal:
Resolution
Framerate
Video Codec
Video Bitrate
Audio Codec
Audio Bitrate
Audio Sampling Frequency
Container
And any other/better tools to use.
To be able to better compare results I've uploaded the Crysis Warhead HD Trailer. You can download it here.
Please use this trailer to compare and post your settings in this thread.
This thread will be updated with new information as it arises. The second post contains an example of settings I used and will be updated with user posted settings that work well.
--- Important information ---
* CorePlayer is not hardware accelerated. This means that CorePlayer is more likely to play your video's choppy. The built-in media player, however, does have hardware acceleration. To get the best video performance, at this moment the built-in media player is your best choice.
* The h.264 codec is supported by the built-in media player and currently has the best compression vs quality ratio.
--- Downloads ---
Coreplayer Mobile
SUPER
--- Source file ---
Setting: HD Quality - 63.4MB @ 0hrs, 1min, 32sec.
Resolution: 1280 x 720
Framerate: 30
Video Codec: WMV9
Video Bitrate: 6090 kb/s
Audio Codec: WMA9
Audio Sampling Freq.: 44100
Audio Bitrate:: 96 kb/s
Container: WMV
Download example here: Source file
--- Settings --- Here the optimal settings will be provided as they become available.
Configuration: Low Quality - 4.7MB @ 1min, 31sec. (+- 280MB for 1.5hrs of movie)
Resolution: 400x240
Framerate: 25
Video Codec: h.264
Video Bitrate: 192 kb/s
Audio Codec: AAC
Audio Sampling Freq.: 22050
Audio Bitrate:: 64 kb/s
Container: mp4
Download example here: Low Quality
Configuration: Medium Quality - 5.9MB @ 1min, 31sec. (+- 350MB for 1.5hrs of movie)
Resolution: 400x240
Framerate: 25
Video Codec: h.264
Video Bitrate: 384 kb/s
Audio Codec: AAC
Audio Sampling Freq.: 44100
Audio Bitrate:: 96 kb/s
Container: mp4
Download example here: Medium Quality
Configuration: High Quality - 10.4MB @ 1min, 31sec. (+- 620MB for 1.5hrs of movie)
Resolution: 608x368
Framerate: 30
Video Codec: h.264
Video Bitrate: 768
Audio Codec: AAC
Audio Sampling Freq.: 44100
Audio Bitrate:: 96 kb/s
Container: mp4
Download example here: High Quality
Configuration: Highest Quality - 16.8MB @ 1min, 31sec. (+- 1000MB for 1.5hrs of movie)
Resolution: 800x480
Framerate: 30
Video Codec: h.264
Video Bitrate: 1294 kb/s
Audio Codec: AAC
Audio Sampling Freq.: 44100
Audio Bitrate:: 128 kb/s
Container: mp4
Download example here: Highest Quality
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When posting settings, supply the same information as I do here.
Good you have come up with this.. once we all share I think we can reach to as what best converter settings we can use for X1... After reading lot of material... I use these settings which gives me full screen decent/smooth run movies.. had no problems at all... but don't know if they are the best settings... check it out :
Xvid MPEG-4 Codec, 569 Target bitrate, 23.976 fps, Screen Size 640x384, Sound Mp3 128 to 160 kbit/s. Encoder used : TMPGEnc 4.0 XPress. ( The best converter with total cut/edit features )
Let me know the results.
Nero Recode 3
AVC in MP4, 400x240, ~400kbps
HE-AAC, ~80kbps,
Runs excellent in the Mediapanel and did quite good (but worse) in the Coreplayer 1.2.5, when I still had it installed. Switched to the Panel completely for playing back my mp4 rips.
Uh, theres a template. Well then, again:
Resolution 400x240
Codec AVC/h.264
Framerate 25 or as source if lower
Video Bitrate ~400kbps
Audio Sampling as source
Audio Bitrate HE-AAC, ~80kbps
I have tried so many diff combination but still haven't found one optimal to use with the x1. This thread will be great for me to do more testing. I usually super or aimersoft. Please chime in if you use those above software to encode video.
I'm at work right now so can't be 100% sure, but as I remember (it's discussed in threads in the main SE X1 forum section) for the highest quality you can get on x1, encode the files for Baseline 1.3 h264, 800x450 max resolution, 30fps, and play them on wm media player or the media panel.
Videos will not run well at anything near that resolution on core player or tcpmp, they don't use the hardware acceleration that's available to media player and the media panel, although tcpmp and coreplayer will handle many more codecs.
Thanks for the additions people, I've uploaded a better video file to test with. It's HD by default so you can actually see the difference between high quality encoded and low/medium.
For those who post configurations, please (please!) stick to the template, I will try and reproduce the settings so I can judge them and add them to the topic.
I would like more information on the hardware acceleration topic as well;
1) Why isn't coreplayer hardware accelerated?
2) Can it be changed so it is?
3) Are there any other/better video players out there?
Because the driver specifications are not available and the hardware cant be accessed by third party programmers
CorePlayer team said in their forum they got hold of Qualcomm and are working to provide hardware acceleration for any MSM7xxx chipset having the graphics hardware in one of the next builds of the player
Better regarding what aspect?
Thanks for your reply. I'd like to see what CorePlayer can do if they manage to get the hardware acceleration working.
Better regarding smooth playback and codec support. Perhaps there's a way to add codecs to the Winmo media player?
EDIT: Updated with new configurations, all based on h.264 (for best compression/quality ratio)
EDIT2: Added another setting, tested for quality and uploaded all examples for your viewing pleasure.
EDIT3: Tested the movies on my X1. From low to high the quality is visibly better every time, so that's a good thing. On the highest quality setting proposed above, the graphics were stunning, however, it ran choppy, it looked like my X1 couldn't keep up with that high bitrate & resolution. I'd like more opinions, who else will test them!? (Tested with windows mobile media player).
Who can help me test the highest settings?
Angelusz said:
EDIT3: Tested the movies on my X1. From low to high the quality is visibly better every time, so that's a good thing. On the highest quality setting proposed above, the graphics were stunning, however, it ran choppy, it looked like my X1 couldn't keep up with that high bitrate & resolution. I'd like more opinions, who else will test them!? (Tested with windows mobile media player).
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Look at my post (#31) here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=460294&page=4
especially this:
Jabe said:
2.) this one is the important one. Do not change screen resolution. Original file was 624x352 and when I set it to 800x like you suggested the playback was somewhat jerky when people were moving. So I set it to "no cnahge" and gained 2 things:
- output quality was far superior (i don't know about that if you choose smaller resolution, like converting HD to 800x)
- the conversion is much faster. before it took 1h10min, now it takes 45min. in other words, encoding speed went from 0.7x to 1.0x.
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I think we are talking about the same thing. I've noticed that increasing resolution does cause some problems. I use Media Panel for playing my videos.
I do use the Mediapanel as well, it might be imagination but I found it to be the best player regarding playback performance.
Upscaling a smaller source file in image size will worsen the quality massively. Think about how a codec works: upscaling means making the image look "soft" or "washed out". These soft or washed out images are then used by the codec to predict differencies and/or movements between the frames and then this data is used to render the subsequent frames. Since the whole image (being washed out) figuratively looks "all the same" (its just a soup of different unspecific colours) the codec has hardcore problems predicting movements between the single frames. Thus the prediction is bad, based on an already bad image, multiplies the bad effect onto every subsequent frame.
Display Driver Assist - Does it improve video ?
This is an interesting thread, please let me add my experience of converting and watching video on my Xperia.
Firstly this program DVD Catalyst won the top award for converting DVD to almost any format to any resolution, any bitrate.
Here is the URL : http://www.pocketdvd.ca/products/dvd catalyst 3.html
Here is the URL for SmartPhone Awards list for all the best in catagory software for video coversion for Pocket PC 2008.
http://www.smartphonemag.com/cms/awards/2008/winners_ppc_apps#CatDVD_Converters
If you download the trial of DVD Catalyst you can have 15 days of free fully functional DVD conversions, thats enough to convert almost anybodies collection. I do intend to buy this when I get round to it.
I experimineted with different formats and resolutions and here were my conclusions.
Format - Sony Media Panel seems to like the 3gp format best ( subjective )
Resolution - I use the maximum 800 X 480
Bitrate - 750 kbps though 500 is still very good.
Audio 128 kbps Stereo
All these options can easily be changed in the converter, you can set your PC Processor prioirty to high ( recommended) or highest if you not doing anything else and a complete 2 hour DVD, with high prioirty for processor will be converted and ready for copying to your X1 in about 35 - 40 mins.
Also I found my Xperia settings had an impact on video playback quality, none more so than Glyph cache, which I now have at 128kb.
I am currently experimenting with the " Display driver preloader " you can find on the thread by ell82...http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=462346
In it he uses this file, libgles_cl.dll, copied into the windows directory, to add hardware acceleration to some 3D games. This as close as we have come so far in adding hardware acceleration across the board to all programs on the X1, obviously this needs some testing and benchmarking, something this thread is very good at.
This file does not replace any windows files, you can add it to WINDOWS folder and remove it at will, it doesn't hurt, over right or harm anything.
Im using it on and off, id like to see some hard data on it, it may not be the magic bullet we have all been waiting for, but it could be a move in the right direction.
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Format - Sony Media Panel seems to like the 3gp format best ( subjective )
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3GP is not a format, its only a container. The content, video wise, is either SP, ASP or AVC video (mostly, accepts a wide range of codecs though) and audio is AMR or AAC. In fact you don't follow the standard at all, your files are NOT 3GP COMPILANT. Since 3GP is just a simplified version of the MP4 container anyway, of which the latter is more versatile regarding possible content and resolution restrictions, I would definitely abandon 3GP and go for MP4. Of course with AVC video and a flavor of AAC audio.
Maybe noob question (I haven't got an sdhcmicro card so cannot test myself):
On my hx2790 tcpmp (ver 0.72, last version) always worked a treat on default 700-1500mb divx and xvids. You loaded lots of movies on a 8gb card and opened them with tcpmp. Some movies required AC3 sound and there was a plug in for that too. The movies played back 100% flawlessly.
Can we not just do this in the X1?
gold333 said:
Can we not just do this in the X1?
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no, not yet.
700mb dvd rips run fine in coreplayer, but for fast scenes it lags like hell
Here's what I do:
Open PocketDivXEncoder
Select the 'HD TV' option
Resize to 400xABC (maintain aspect ratio)
Video quality = 70
Audio = max
Coreplayer runs it flawlessly and looks great, even fast scenes.
Watched the first season of both Burn Notice and Merlin with no issues in action packed scenes
totally agreed with coreplayer ! really better than movie player in the XMB Panel !!!! you can find my thread here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3093597#post3093597
Don't know why it is so slow with the XMB Panel & so better in core player !
Core Player : reverserd enginered the chipset.... really difficult thing & to be really/fully optimized but it works better than the std XMB movie player !!!! (written by who ? sony developers or htc ? or together ?, they should buy corecodec ! )
dadeadman said:
700mb dvd rips run fine in coreplayer, but for fast scenes it lags like hell
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But tcpmp 0.72 doesn't? Tcpmp was the ultimate micro footprint everything player for mobile devices.
Hi,
I've searched the internet and forums, but I get a lot of confusing messages: what codecs are save to use with a stock Leo?
Currently I'm transcoding my 45GB Collection of videos to 800x480 H.264 786 Kbit L3.0 Baseline profile with LC-AAC 128 Kbit audio, but I'd like to know whats possible.
So:
Containers
- The HD2 Supports MP4 and AVI, right?
- Coreplayer probably supports more
Audio
- I know/think the HD2 Supports LE-AAC, as the Diamond 2 did
- Does the HD2 support HE-AAC? Some WM devices do, some dont
- Same with HE-AACv2
Video
- I'm only interested in H.264, which I doubt the Leo doesn't support, but...
- What Profile is safe? (The Diamond 2 supported Baseline). Does it do Mean or High for example?
- What Level or bitrate is safe to use? the Diamond 2 pushed the limit at 384 kbit/s (video+128 kbit aac audio), but I think the Leo can handle 786 Kbit? Is that correct? Has anyone experimented and found a max?
Thanks in avance!!
Video bit-rates as high as 2000kb/s work fine.
Check out these two threads:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=582122
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=586324
Hello everyone,
I have seen a number of different posts about the best settings to encode videos for the Droid X, and I have found a method that I am extremely happy with. I use these settings to encode HD MKV files for playback on the Droid X. These encodings play without a hitch, and only suffer slight sync issues that occur when changing volume, and skipping forwards/backwards into the video. This is not a huge problem, as the sync issues only last for 1-2 seconds maximum. I have tested a large variety of Video players, and I have found that RockPlayer offers the smoothest playback available (in my experience). These settings will also work for many other file types, just make sure your Source resolution is higher than that of your output and you will be pleased!
Software Required: MediaCoder (Free, can be downloaded HERE)
Settings
Video Tab:
Format: H.264
Mode: Constant Bitrate (1400)
Source: Auto Select
Encoder: Auto Select (If your video card supports CUDA, select CUDA Encoder for faster encoding).
x264 Tab (On the right when selecting the Video Tab):
Profile: Baseline (This is extremely important!)
Sound Tab:
Encoder: FAAC
Format: LC-AAC
Average Bitrate: 160
MPEG Version: MPEG4
Container: AAC
Container Tab:
Container: MP4
Picture Tab:
Resize: 848x480
Aspect Ratio: Keep Display AR
Crop: Disabled
Frame Rate: 25
Effects: Filter by Encoder
I hope these settings will come in handy for others. I have spent a lot of time testing different settings and Encoders, but I can honestly say I have gotten the best results using these!
Let me know how these settings work for you, I hope some of you can help me find a video player that will not show any issues when changing volume and skipping forward/backwards through videos.