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Shells and Today alternatives

Just saw announcement of Winterface shell from Vito, and I know some people use SPB shell... but also heard it can create problems.
What are the ups and downs? What alternatives are people using?
For reference, I use iLauncher, PhoneAlarm (for profiles, notifications), PocketBreeze for easy access to calendar, contacts, weather, and WkTask and SmallMenu (start menu replacement) for task management. Altogether, this works "fine" but some of the alternatives seem like a more integrated and polished interface.
Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks!

For myself I use: Real VGA at 96dpi, Magic Button to show the running applications, Small Menu as a Start replacement and launcher assigned to my home button, and Handy Menu for access to soft reset, screen capture, or device OFF (other options are available). All of them have small footprints and runs well at 96dpi.

I use spb time to give me the alarm with big button and multi location times.
Then, spb phone suite for missed call/email/sms alert, turn in/off wifi/bt/data, phone profile.
For weather, I use sbsh pocket weather.
For launcher and safe mode soft reset, I use iLauncher.
For task switching, I use wktask.
For calendar, I use today Agenda which uses one line per item.
Works very well and is very flexible.
For calendar items, I use

Ultimate launcher with xmt using either a modified manilla style clock or modified x lucent theme, with wktask and quickmenu.
although the new today prog i linked to looks like it will have potential.
ocassionally especially if its sitting on my desk ill use the tempus13 swf manilla animated clock running fullscreen inside flashlite. must write a mortscript to trigger it automatically when docked.
all in 96dpi

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cktlcmd, i see you've finally bought a replacement for your uni... Im still waiting for mine, still havent decided on x7510 or be cheap and stick with x7501... anyway, good on you! So did you bury your uni?

I've switched to spb mobile shell with Diamond skin. It's very customizable and flexible.

eaglesteve said:
I've switched to spb mobile shell with Diamond skin. It's very customizable and flexible.
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Does SPB Mobile Shell work with Real VGA 96dpi in yours?
cuteangelika said:
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cktlcmd, i see you've finally bought a replacement for your uni... Im still waiting for mine, still havent decided on x7510 or be cheap and stick with x7501... anyway, good on you! So did you bury your uni?
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lol
The best purchase I've done yet. I am happy with the quality and performance. Compared to my Universal, my X7510 is very stable even with hundreds of applications installed. It can survive a whole charge without having to soft reset. It is very solid with no creeking plastic sounds like the Universal. I still have not bought a micro SD card, and I still have tons of storage despite having 200 reference books in it. The screen size... I just love it. I never knew the importance of having a GPS till now.
Nowadays, I just use my Universal to play my music in my car. I hard resetted and only installed WM5torage 1.8 and SPB Time. It has become a permanant fixture in my dashboard. It still looks cool at night... especially with the screen on fully bright.
If you value the use of the buttons, go for the X7501 especially if you can buy a cheap brand new unit. Do read about the issues and how to solve the microdrive quirks though. I read that formatting the microdrive to FAT 32 using WM5torage prevents any data corruption. Never use the built-in format drive to format the microdrive.
On the other hand, since you are a first time Advantage seeker, going for the X7510 I think is the better purchase. I use my X7510 mainly on landscape, so buttons are no problem with mine. I can survive with just using the home button for launching any application via Small Menu. The 16GB SSD is a big plus. The keyboard is amazing. The only thing I can say about it is the absence of Soft Keys and Backlight. It's top has a rubberized coating, so no scratching of the unit can occur.
Here in the US, we have no option to buy a cheap brand new X7500 or X7501. All of them: X7500, X7501, and X7510 have the same price if you are purchasing them brand new, so it is most logical for me to go with the X7510.

cktlcmd said:
Does SPB Mobile Shell work with Real VGA 96dpi in yours?
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No. nowaday I'm using only 192dpi. I find that most of my applications look better in this dpi - from Opera mobile, phone, dictionary.... I can use my thumb (yes, not just finger but the big thumb) to do almost everything. There are a few applications which I wish I'm in 96dpi (such as office applications), but most of them work better in 192dpi.
It's funny that after using it for a while I'm so used to it that I wonder how I managed to see the tiny tiny characters in 96dpi. When I was using 96dpi, the feeling was reversed - I wonder how anyone could live with those gigantic taskbar!
Installing SPB mobile shell with diamond skin is a breath of fresh air for me for now. I don't know when I would get sick of this and change it again. I'm always looking for new toys so to speak, and each time I change I feel like I've just bought a completely new gadget.

eaglesteve said:
No. nowaday I'm using only 192dpi.
Installing SPB mobile shell with diamond skin is a breath of fresh air for me for now. I don't know when I would get sick of this and change it again. I'm always looking for new toys so to speak, and each time I change I feel like I've just bought a completely new gadget.
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I envy you with SPB Mobile Shell. I really like it too, but I love 96dpi more... can't have them all I guess.

eaglesteve said:
Installing SPB mobile shell with diamond skin is a breath of fresh air for me for now. I don't know when I would get sick of this and change it again. I'm always looking for new toys so to speak, and each time I change I feel like I've just bought a completely new gadget.
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How were you able to get SPB Mobile shell to work with the Diamond Skin (the one posted in the forums somewhere, right?) to work on a VGA phone? Or did someone convert in the the thread with the hundreds of pages?

polstein said:
How were you able to get SPB Mobile shell to work with the Diamond Skin (the one posted in the forums somewhere, right?) to work on a VGA phone? Or did someone convert in the the thread with the hundreds of pages?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=409528&page=4
See post 39 by Resaponderman.
Cheers.

eaglesteve said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=409528&page=4
See post 39 by Resaponderman.
Cheers.
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Thanks for the link - much more better then translating and working with the French site I was trying to download and play with yesterday.
Installed - wow, it's much darker then I thought. Will play for a day, but my initial reaction is I like the original better.
Really wish that the program was somehow made to allow compatibility with some of the beautiful QVGA themes and VGA themes.

How are you getting to the dialer with Diamond Skin loaded?
Hey eaglesteve, how are you bringing up the phone dialer? With the lack of hardware buttons on the x7510 and no soft keys in Diamond skinned mode, I am hitting the home button to bring up the base Spb screen, and then selecting Phone soft key from te sys tray. When I want to go back to Diamond I then select Spb Menu which is my other soft key. That is a few steps when one used to do it.
Do you have a better approach? Thanks.

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Hey eaglesteve, how are you bringing up the phone dialer? With the lack of hardware buttons on the x7510 and no soft keys in Diamond skinned mode, I am hitting the home button to bring up the base Spb screen, and then selecting Phone soft key from te sys tray. When I want to go back to Diamond I then select Spb Menu which is my other soft key. That is a few steps when one used to do it.
Do you have a better approach? Thanks.
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I pin the phone icon to the home tab. When I want to make call, I swipe my thumb upward to go to today and directly press the phone icon.

OK now I'm going to show my total ignorance. What do you mean by "pin" to the home tab.
Again thanks a bunch.

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OK now I'm going to show my total ignorance. What do you mean by "pin" to the home tab.
Again thanks a bunch.
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Once you have installed SPB MObile shell, you will be able to see the following items in the Start/Setting/Personal/Today program under the Item Tab.
- spb mobile shell
- Home tab
- Time tab
- weather tab
- Dial tab 3
- Dial tab 2
- Dial tab
I only tick the Home tab.
The items on these home tab could represent the most recently used program so is dynamically added or removed, unless you "pin" them there permanently. To pin an application such as Phone on the home tab permanently, click and hold the tab until a menu pops up and choose Manage Pinned.. (the bottom item). You will be then allowed to tick the programs that you want to stay on the home tab. This is what I meant by "pin".

Thanks for that - now I get that piece.
My ability to finger swipe seems very hit and miss on my device. When I have the Diamond skin up mostly I can swipe right to left to flip the pages (which is not that useful seeing as there is a button to get to the same place) but swiping up and down to return to the Today screen works maybe 1 in 20 times - and the Today button gets me there anyway!
Any thoughts on why my screen gestures are not very responsive?
Also have you tried ThumbCal? If so I cannot get it to respond as the default calendar from within the Diamond Skin, although it works fine as the default from ouside of Diamond (ThumbCal has a setting to tick to make that happen).
Anyway, also watching out for any other alternate VGA skins. Have you noted any others on the forum yet? There is continued promise of more to come in certain of the "Development and Hacking" threads in the General section.

robjhellis said:
Thanks for that - now I get that piece.
My ability to finger swipe seems very hit and miss on my device. When I have the Diamond skin up mostly I can swipe right to left to flip the pages (which is not that useful seeing as there is a button to get to the same place) but swiping up and down to return to the Today screen works maybe 1 in 20 times - and the Today button gets me there anyway!
Any thoughts on why my screen gestures are not very responsive?
Also have you tried ThumbCal? If so I cannot get it to respond as the default calendar from within the Diamond Skin, although it works fine as the default from ouside of Diamond (ThumbCal has a setting to tick to make that happen).
Anyway, also watching out for any other alternate VGA skins. Have you noted any others on the forum yet? There is continued promise of more to come in certain of the "Development and Hacking" threads in the General section.
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If you have already installed FtouchSL, then the most likely reason for the lack of responsiveness is that you have not excluded Spb mobile shell in your FtouchSL. It should be very fast.

I didn't know about FtouchSL relying entirely on HTC TouchFLO. I've downloaded it now and will try it out. Thanks for the tip.

am thinking of buying SPB mobile shell 2

am i stupid to do so???
is it better than the free panel or SE's panels?

imho, yes
we can have touchflo3d, spb mobile shell isn't confortable as it can seems. It has poor integration even with spb products, i.e. if you need phone profiles and use spb phone suite you can't have a wireless switch on today, you have to navigate trough menu (feature request from about 1 year!!!). Also menu customization isn't simple and some basical function are still difficoult to reach. And I reported a lot of crash when customize.
It's UGLY and we don't have much skins for wvga, and skinning is a real pain as they don't release any documentation and all new version messes up all our knowledges changing layout, calls, api... I was about to release a pretty wvga xperia theme for mobile shell 2.1 but the upgrade from 2.1.1 to 2.1.3 has break too much things and i have to give up. They don't deserve us and I don't encourage people to use it
tflo3d is a mess too to skin, but at least it's free for us, much cooler by default and more stable even on xperia

I don't think that you're stupid if you buy SPB mobile shell 2.
I've tried both spb panel and tf3dhd, and the fullversion of spb mobile shell 2 beats them hands down. It's quite easy to customize the menues and is lighter on the cpu than the hog tf3d (in comparison to spb MS2 it is a hog.).
I say go for it.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=420325
Try spb. I think they have 15 day tral . and see may post in the link.
I kinda want allways to have that other peapler dont use. want manilla buy oem

What are the differences between the panel and the real thing?

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What are the differences between the panel and the real thing?
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The real thing has more options and a "today" plugin and it looks nicer.

i tried the spb mobile 2 and i like it overall, but would prefered to have it as an panel otherwise i had to keep pressing the button for the spb shell to appear every time. is there any way to have it as a panel as i could not see the option to?
at the moment i use the spb shell panel from SE which i like to layout of?

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i had to keep pressing the button for the spb shell to appear every time.
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if you use s2u you can set it to wake uo directly to spb, otherwise if you use search you'll find some sort of "daemon" that cares about switching automagically to spb when normal today comes up
but the point is: spb is undocumented, heavy and a pain to skin/customize

using 2.1.2
Spb Phone Suite w/wireless, and profile, switches is avail as a plug-in/tab in Today screen.
The first option in Shell settings is to "Show the [Spb Shell] Now Screen when device wakes up."

as a one on one compare, does it WOW much more than the SE panel?

yyzxex said:
using 2.1.2
Spb Phone Suite w/wireless, and profile, switches is avail as a plug-in/tab in Today screen.
The first option in Shell settings is to "Show the [Spb Shell] Now Screen when device wakes up."
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not directly as with normal today plugin

Im using SPB 2.1.2 and I tried TF3D.
IMO SPB shell is much better and easier to customize and gives me satisfaction. Im using several plugins and it works as a charm. Quick and nice looking and its setted up as my "Today Screen" so I dont have to push anything to make it come up.
I love it and would recommend u to buy it. But try the Trial first to see if it fits u..

ok.. btw what does plug in do?

For SPBMS users:
is the standard version able to work together with panels? i.e. in case you install MS AND want to use another panel, like Facebook or Google?

I have bought it and thinks it is a great program til i noticed that i had to charge the battery every day. I uninstalled it and now i can wait four days before i have to charge it again.
They have a 15-day trial that u can try, but remember to check your battery

guap said:
not directly as with normal today plugin
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I enable the Spb Phone Suite plug-in/tab in Mobile Shell settings. Then enable Spb Mobile Shell in Start> Settings > Today > Items. Phone Suite wireless and profile switchers are shown as drop down tabs on the WM Today panel. Can't imagine how a more "normal today plugin" would look.
Re. battery life. Wrote this yesterday in another forum; will quote myself here -
100% when I left for work this morning at 6:45am
2.5 hrs BT stereo use (HBH-DS220) to/from work
auto-chk my 2 email addresses at every 15 mins and hour all day
Spb Traveler is set to auto-update weather & currencies every 2 hrs
10 texts
15 mins of calls
1/2 hr of internet at lunch
right now[17:45], my battery is reading 60%
mobile is set to GSM/EDGE with auto band selection

Is it possible to integrate the full mobile shell as a panel, like the lite version?

nurps said:
Is it possible to integrate the full mobile shell as a panel, like the lite version?
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Unfortunatly no

Maybe its possible to simply overwrite the files from mobilebshell panel edition with the files of the full version?

well in a way it IS a panel as it works on your home panel (which I have changed the image of to show Mobile Shell) and on your fish panel too. but if I want my Mobile Shell panel, I just choose my home panel.

spb 2.x over spb panel??

Hi there, I was wondering if there are pros or cons of installing spb 2.x over the panel that is on the x1...?? are they the same or are there differences in the performance... affect the phone in any way for either... thanks for any thoughts...

I had spb on my last phone but love the panel so I didn't install it. If you would rather use the today screen then get the SPB 2.X, but if you like using the spb panel like I do then stick with that. SPB 2.X offers more custimzation, but everything in the panel just works for me (like I don't have to add programs/games/etc. they just show up in the right places).

I prefer SPB 2.X because its more easily customizable and the most recent spb shell has some great new features over the older one. OF course i use neither lol. I use TFL3D.

I tried SPB 2.x but didn't like that when you press end or go to the today screen, you're still stuck with the Windows Today Screen and have to then open up the SPB screen. There's a hack to semi fix it, but it still flashes the today screen for a second before switching over.

I don't know this too. I think my phone is a little bit slow down after installing this.

SCtud said:
I tried SPB 2.x but didn't like that when you press end or go to the today screen, you're still stuck with the Windows Today Screen and have to then open up the SPB screen. There's a hack to semi fix it, but it still flashes the today screen for a second before switching over.
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Yea there is a cab that i used on my tilt called spbwatcher. If anyone needs it i can post it in this thread. Just let me know

I use SPB (the not-panel version) too. I just like the idea of having SPB Shell and still being able to use all the great Today plugins there are.
Works like a charm, although it automatically uninstalls SPB Panel. (I don't ever use the panels)
Differences:
- The looks are a bit different, and I think the not-panel version has a few options more. It installs a few direct shortcuts like "[Soft Reset]", "[My Menu]" as actual program shortcuts (you can use these from anywhere).
- Adds a few options when to use Windows today and when to use SPB today
- Adds a today screen button assigner for WinMo.

Thanks for the replies... I might give it a whirl and Bxsteez, yes please can you post that cab... I am loving my xperiance though... now that I have nearly got it completely how I want it I guess its time to reflash the ROM...

Am I the only one that I like the window today screen??

To be honest, I tried the touch flo 3d, the home 2, but the only thing I like is the normal, clean windows mobile today screen i like it, its neat , organized, and the xperia wallpaper gives it an elegant look. I alos modified the left menu key to initiate a new sms
what do u think?

I like it's neat clean look, but I prefer using the SE Today Panel.

trezegol87 said:
To be honest, I tried the touch flo 3d, the home 2, but the only thing I like is the normal, clean windows mobile today screen i like it, its neat , organized, and the xperia wallpaper gives it an elegant look.
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Same here, a big fan of Winmo Today screen. When I jumped ship from Palm OS to Winmo, the Today screen really makes me forget I ever had a Palm OS device... Although the fond memories of rock hard stability creeps out now and then.
Currently Using itje's incredible Touch-IT v4.5 ROM. The Touchflo is nice, but more of a gimmick then anything else... Give me plain old Today screen anytime.

It just seems easier on the Today screen, that's why I have a lite rom installed, along with TF3d and panels.

I tend to always end up back at the default today screen. Something just nice about it.

Yeah I use it all the time now as it seems to be the most customisable without being fiddley and does all I want it too... I would like a today that is a combination of several of the panels but so far have found nothing that I like more than the normal today...

i use the today screen as my default screen when at work as i like to be in control of how many appointments are displayed, reminders, etc. it's nice to be able to switch to another panel for the weekends though ...
i'm a bit concerned about some of the screenshots for wm 6.5. does the today screen still exist ?

The standard Today just works. Give you access to what a PDA is for, PIM. There is a plugin called TodayAgenda which makes it perfect though.

glad you guys think the same way
btw, any idea how to make a shortcut for the start button? I downloaded a program, H button, that enables me to long press a key and a program comes up... but i want to access the start menu that way

trezegol87 said:
glad you guys think the same way
btw, any idea how to make a shortcut for the start button? I downloaded a program, H button, that enables me to long press a key and a program comes up... but i want to access the start menu that way
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Are you trying to assign a hardware key to Start Menu? If so, go to Start>Settings>Buttons

All this talk is making me want to use the Today panel more! I just tweaked it a little bit and I'm going to give it a try next week.
Does anybody know of a way to get more programs on it? Skype is on the list, and I think TomTom is, but I'd like a couple others.

I need to use the today screen to see the G-Alarm plugin, how much Internet traffic I had this month (SPB Wireless). Also I find it very convenient to use Elecont Dialer (a scrollable row of contacts to call or sms) and Elecont Launcher (a scrollable row of apps).
So I usually end up using it, even if SPB Shell is more touch-friendly. It just doesn't display all the information I need in one screen.

I always seem to go back to the spb panel as my default. its simple and looks clean i think compared with tf3d and point ui. im hopeing that when the new 3.0 shell comes out that it wont replace the spb x1 panel (although i know it will).

I've tried all the panels, shells etc. You name them, I've tried them. As said before, the Touch-IT v4.5 ROM is nice, but gimmicky. I admit I've installed it, but only to get GPS tagging of photos. I untick it in Start -> Settings -> Today -> Items immediately after it's installed.
I appreciate all the work that's gone into developing it, but its way too busy for me
My preferred interface is iFonz 2. The interface can be as simple or as 'busy' as you like. I prefer to have just a few icons of the programs I use regularly on screen as well as icons for the frequently called contacts. Also its very finger friendly.
For the programs that I use infrequently, it's no hassle to find them in Start -> Programs, and contacts are easy to find in iContacts
Caps

Hart and soul of my machine.
without it, I had never changed to a winmo device.
Maby it's time to start a thread : "show of your real todayscreen"

talbas said:
Hart and soul of my machine.
without it, I had never changed to a winmo device.
Maby it's time to start a thread : "show of your real todayscreen"
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Can you post your skin and the programs used ?
Thx alot !

fotoingo said:
Can you post your skin and the programs used ?
Thx alot !
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ArielBattery2.1http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=364278
PDC_clock http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-pocket-digital-clock.html
SpbWeather2 http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/pocketpc-software/weather/
ElecontLauncherhttp://www.elecont.com/launcher-for-pocket-pc.aspx
Inesoft Phonehttp://www.inesoft.com/eng/index.php?in=phone.html
PDAStatusFull http://corner-a.com/page.php?3---http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3289885
good place to say thank you to the developers

some questions........
sorry made this post in the wrong damn thread!!!!
on the subject of todays screen check out
http://www.lakeridgesoftware.com/products/pocketpc/WisBarAdvanceDesktop/
wisebar desktop is really amazing if you want to pimp out your today screen!!! (hit there fourms for free and custom skins!!!)
example of skins
http://www.lakeridgesoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15113

Hey friends, I'm with you. I think the today screen is one of the best inventions of Microsoft and is really underrated. It just makes sense to have active plugins share the most precious place on a mobile - the information screen after switching the device on. I think the iPhone is ridiculous in this regardö - just showing icons of the programs that can be launched is lame. Also, there are really powerful plugins available for Windows Mobile. I'm personally using the built in date/time and messages plugin together with PocketBreeze for all the organizer stuff and PocketPlus for system status (battery, memory), finger friendly app launcher and additional plugins as tab (spb weather actuall). Then I use the system tray as quicklaunch and for showing the currently selected phone profile from PhoneWeaver and my softkeys start Contacts and WM5NewMenu, with which I can very quickly place a new appointment, SMS, Email, Note and so on. With this setup, I can really use the device, not only play. Everything is just one or two clicks/actions away and I always have a good overview of what's going on.
I really don't understand why so many people want a better iPhone instead of a good Windows Mobile device. Windows Mobile has drawbacks but also strong points, of which the today screen is one of the strongest I think.

I am also a big fan of the Windows today page. I think it's the only one that can be entirely adapted to everyone's need, all other software are nice graphically, but not as effective as a well prepared today page.

SPB Mobile Shell & HTC Sense?

I have SPB Mobile Shell installed and have HTC Sense as my Today screen. I have tried to resequenced them in Start-Up and still works as such:
1. When I boot up SPB MS shows but then HTC Sense Today (ST) displays.
2. I have a shortcut/Icon to get to SPB MS on HTC ST screen. However, if I go to SPB MS it takes me to that screen then immediately returns to HTC ST.
3. If I change the shortcut/Icon to SPB Carousel it does take me to the carousel and I can select any screen except SPB MS and it will stay/display that screen until I go back to HTC ST.
Anyone have any suggestions on how to fix this so when I go to SPB MS and still use HTC ST I can stay there on SPB MS?
On my Omnia I900 I can do basically what I want, however, I am using Omnia Home Option 1 or 2 instead of HTC ST. Tried comparing the two sequence and that is the same on boot-up.
Thanks in advance.

download shell switcher (freeware) from omarket works perfectly ..just select the shell that you prefer either spb, htc sense or windows..alternative would be go to settings and de select sense from today screen options.. its best if you save spb on the device rather then storage card also please note if you select spb you would not be able to access the htc sense today screen only.sry if i misunterstood your question.hope that helps

Moschino02 said:
download shell switcher (freeware) from omarket works perfectly ..just select the shell that you prefer either spb, htc sense or windows..alternative would be go to settings and de select sense from today screen options.. its best if you save spb on the device rather then storage card also please note if you select spb you would not be able to access the htc sense today screen only.sry if i misunterstood your question.hope that helps
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Thanks! I tried that months ago and must have had an older version since it was not very responsive. Trying the latest that I downloaded and installed, and it seems to work better.
I only wish there was a way to go directly back and forth without making a selection each time. I will play with it to see if there are any options to set default, i.e., SPB SM to HTC Sense (if on SPB SM) and/or HTC Sense to SPB SM (if on HTC Sense) without making a selection each time. Meaning if you on on SPB MS have an Icon to take you directly to HTC and vice versa.
The options shown are:
1. Switch to Selected Shell (but you have to go to the Shell Switcher and Select HTC Sense or SPB Mobile Shell then Switch to that (SPB or HTC Shell.)
2. Switch to Classic Today screen such as: Resco Today Plugin, Pocket Player, Iconsoft PhonEx, Google Search, Skyfire, ElecontWeather, Windows Live, Bing, Instant Messaging, SPB Diary, SPB Backup, SPB Traveler, etc.
Do appreciate your help. My Shout!!

No probz..Ye I know what you mean, If you do find a shortcut do let us know

Moschino02 said:
No probz..Ye I know what you mean, If you do find a shortcut do let us know
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Definitely, I will post here. I been on YouTub looking for a solution, too. I thought I found one where a bloke posted about SPB MS V5, but it was not V5 and it wasn't showing how to switch back and forth.
Ta Mate!