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Are there NO news on the Linux developement ?

I follow the Wiki very well since months, but there seems to be no news on Linux-Porting efforts!?
Is the project stopped, or where have I to look for the current state, news and problems?
I am willing to help, - but I am a linux newby.
Is there some Kind of Mailing Archive for the developement? The one in Sourceforge seems not to be used since a year!!
Where can I follow the current status ?
Best Info I found, and I am refering therefore is http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=30148#30148

JuNuKN said:
Where can I follow the current status ?
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The Himalaya code is merged into the handhelds.org CVS. The main problem
is the missing SD driver, which should be
reverse engineered from the wince code.
So at the current stage linux on the HTC
PDAs (HP ipaq hx4700 included) is not for
newbees

so basically, do you mean that those smart Linux Developper are not able to code that SD driver and will steal into Microsoft OS?
No wonder Microsoft is calling that stealing intellectual property!

well unless the hardware sdchip maker or the software dll maker let people in on the interface there really is no way to make a new interface without reverse eng the existing stuff

unlockMe said:
so basically, do you mean that those smart Linux Developper are not able to code that SD driver and will steal into Microsoft OS?
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The Linux developers don't have the hardware datasheet for ATI Imageon chip
that describes how the SD interface works.
If you have followed the Linux driver development, the majority of drivers are
reverse engineered, because many
hardware companies think that
hadrware description is
"intellectual property".
unlockMe said:
No wonder Microsoft is calling that stealing intellectual property!
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Who cares what microsoft says ?
Reverse engineering for interoperability
is legal
even in the "Land of the Free".

Isn't it going on (elsewhere) ?
It seems, that the developement is going on (elsewhere) ....
http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HTCWallaby
NEWS 2005/4/4
*
Added support for flash and gsm-(bootloader) uarts.
*
New binary distribution v0.2.

greetings all. i'm new here, so forgive me if this has all been asked before.
i've got one of these BlueAngels (mine's branded i-Mate) and small annoyances with wince drove me to look into running linux on my PDA. i think that i can be of help on this project and would like to talk to others who have made some progress already.
my main question in this: how similar are the wallaby, himalaya and blueangel? should I be able to get as far as previous developers have with those other devices? I cannot find much information on the blueangel in the wiki here and information on HTC devices at handhelds.org is scarce. do i just need to keep digging?

sjs said:
how similar are the wallaby, himalaya and blueangel?
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himalaya and blueangel are similar,
wallaby is different.
sjs said:
I cannot find much information on the blueangel in the wiki here and information on HTC devices at handhelds.org is scarce.
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Take the himalaya wiki as a basis and
change the things that differ, for example,
MMU 1st level descriptor table is at A01D0000.
WiFi is ACX100-based.
Find out if ASIC3 SDIO (driver exists) or ATI3220 SDIO (???) is used.
Read on handhelds.org about the HP hx4000 and hx4700 ipaqs - they are also by made HTC.

Isn't it possible to use Qtopia or Movista on these HTC devices?

cr2 said:
himalaya and blueangel are similar,
wallaby is different.
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ok, this is what i suspected. i've been reading more on the himalaya as that is what is supported by the current hh.org kernel. i'm hoping to have success running one of those kernels on my device as soon as i get it to compile. since they both have a pxa263 i think it should work. (famous last words)
cr2 said:
Take the himalaya wiki as a basis and
change the things that differ, for example,
MMU 1st level descriptor table is at A01D0000.
WiFi is ACX100-based.
Find out if ASIC3 SDIO (driver exists) or ATI3220 SDIO (???) is used.
Read on handhelds.org about the HP hx4000 and hx4700 ipaqs - they are also by made HTC.
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thank you for this info. i will have to start reading a lot. i'm currently reading the intel dev manual for the pxa processors... unfortunately between school and work there's not a lot of time for this but as they say, Rome wasn't built in a day. 8)

Jainoxi said:
Isn't it possible to use Qtopia or Movista on these HTC devices?
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Qtopia works off the raw framebuffer.
If you have the working framebuffer driver,
then yes.

sjs said:
Rome wasn't built in a day. 8)
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Here is some more info.

thank you again. i think once i grasp how the kernel boots this device (first time hacking on a kernel) and familiarize myself with the dev manual i'm going to attempt to get a console on the device. i still have to see how far the lcd and keyboard drivers are.
have you had any success booting a kernel on this device? i have gotten as far as haret showing me a fully red thermometer and the penguin's eyes changing but then it freezes, every time. the only kernel i have attempted so far is the 2.6.3 one for the himalaya on the wiki. i would be happy to even see a kernel panic. i haven't used linexec yet, but i don't think haret is the problem here.
there is lots that can be done with haret but i'd rather start debugging the current code to get a feel for it before i jump in and write my first kernel code.

sjs said:
have you had any success booting a kernel on this device?
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No. Buggy haret freezes during boot.
sjs said:
i have gotten as far as haret showing me a fully red thermometer and the penguin's eyes changing but then it freezes, every time.
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i haven't used linexec yet, but i don't think haret is the problem here.
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Don't waste your time on linexec, because haret is its derivative.
Haret is a nice piece of software, but it has some major problems in linboot.cpp
that should be fixed first.
The booting fails for me here:
preloader = (uint8 *)((mem + 0xfff) & ~0xfff);
preloaderPA = memVirtToPhys ((uint32)preloader);
Output (L"TMP Preloader physical/virtual address: %08x %08x", preloaderPA, preloader);
so i have replaced memVirtToPhys (returning -1) with LockPages, get the "real" physical addresses, but it still doesn't boot.
I don't really get it WTF is this garbage collector stuff doing there. Maybe we
can rewrite it completely, but i don't have
time right now

hi there,
this stuff is really interesting...
may I join you somehow?
buzz

cr2 said:
Here is some more info.
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From atihwtbl0.txt
[USB] //USB
"HostClk"=dword:0x1 // enable function clock if there is a host port
"Port0Mode"=dword:0x2 // 0 disable, 1 host, 2 function, 3 OTG
ATI integrates TransDimension's USB On-The-Go OTG Core into new Imageon display co-processor for handheld devices.
http://www.us.design-reuse.com/news/news4636.html
There are a lot of datasheets on interfacing to PXA* here
http://www.transdimension.com/downloads/index.html

buzz_lightyear said:
may I join you somehow?
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You can start a blueangel hardware wiki

sjs said:
I cannot find much information on the blueangel in the wiki here and information on HTC devices at handhelds.org is scarce.
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ATI Imageon has hardware 2D acceleration,
MPEG decoder (betaplayer
source code shows how to use it),
USB OTG (as i have mentioned it is enabled in the "function" mode), video capture port
(also can be used), SDIO port (not yet clear if it is used). If we will trust the atihwtbl0.txt
there is an I^2C port (unused) and some
GPIO lines (unused).

cr2 said:
Find out if ATI3220 SDIO (???) is used.
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The SDIO and VIDCAP sections are missing in the atihwtbl0.txt file.
The video capture is working...
[SDIO]
SDIOEnable
CardDetectEnable
ControllerEnable
InvertSDClock
[VIDCAP]
DeviceConnected
ITUFormat

buzz_lightyear said:
may I join you somehow?
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of course! i myself am still getting my feet wet here. currently i'm reading the following intel documents:
(this is roughly the list over at http://zap.eltrast.ru/en/haret.html )
http://www.intel.com/design/pca/applicationsprocessors/manuals/278638.htm
http://www.intel.com/design/pca/applicationsprocessors/manuals/278639.htm
http://www.intel.com/design/pca/applicationsprocessors/manuals/278641.htm
http://www.intel.com/design/intelxscale/273473.htm
http://www.intel.com/design/pca/applicationsprocessors/applnots/278786.htm
These are somewhat in order of decreasing importance (according to HaRET's author). I'm just past pg. 100 of the first one listed, PXA26x developer's manual.
As cr2 said, a page for the Blue Angel's hardware on the wiki here would be useful.
I haven't found any sites with anything really useful apart from on www.handhelds.org and this website here (obviously excluding intel's documentation), but perhaps someone else knows of some other fruitful sources.

Mogul/Titan Linux WIP

If anyone is interested I have made slight progress with linux on the Mogul. First you have to download the latest versior or haret from here http://handhelds.org/~koconnor/haret/ I am using this version haret-20071029d.exe Then i downloaded some stuff from this site http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/ I downloaded the apache images because it is the ppc6700 sprints one lower model than the mogul. The kernel does not boot. I think that this is because the processor is a different arch. I am going to try to build a custom kernel when I get home tonight. I did not extract the distro however I think that that will be a good starting point once we get a working kernel as the devices are simular (sliding keyboard, same size screen, made by htc, cdma, etc.) I also found out that you have to pass this arguement in the haret startup.txt file or it will just crash haret. "set MTYPE 1463"
My startup.txt reads:
set KERNEL zImage
set MTYPE 1463
set CMDLINE "rootdelay=1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 console=tty0 fbcon=rotate:1"
boot
edited from this page http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/ApacheLinux you might want to look there for information. It is what got me this far.
If you would like to help please post to let me know. Please do not post something like "I can test it" or "I would be willing to test" or "Can you send me a copy when you get it working"
Right now I need some help not testers
Thanks in advance
P.S. you can find all of the known mtypes here http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/machines/

The apache and Titan have totally different hardware.
All the device drivers would need to be re-written from scratch. The 6700 was easier because previous devices (6600) had similiar architecture. The current generation of HTC devices (Titan, Kaiser) uses some new chips for the radio and main proc that haven't been used before in any device by HTC.

Drivers would be compiled as part of the kernel to begin with. They could be modules later on. I was just gonna use the image for the binaries of gpe. However further research shows that there is a gpe phone edition, opie2 (which is for phones) and my favorite openmoko which i'm about to compile.

main processor wise, some nokias also have the same ARM11 processor (as the titan and kaiser) in them. N95 being one of them.

wandrerx thatnks for the help. I spent all night trying to figure out what the linux kernel calls this processor or processor family. There is no simple answer like arm11 or qualcomm or msm at least not yet. I will do research into this nokia and see if that turns up any answers.
Thanks again

just remember that in many cases the arm11 is paired (which I'm guessing is part of the architecture) so either things will go through a qualcomm/samsung/whoever layer or things are sent directly to the arm11 and to the dual phone processor. Mucking around I found that there are various power modes (possible overclocking? I'd assume they would use a conservative power mode for a phone like this)

from what I have read it is built simular to how a dual core pc is built. It has two cores on one chip. However unlike dual core pcs the cores are not symetrical. One is an arm11 chip and the other is an arm9 chip depending on the model. The arm11 chip in this case is 400mhz and the the arm9 chip is something like 133mhz. The 400mhz arm11 core is deticated to running windows and applications. The arm9 ~133mhz chip is deticated to running the phone, wireless, bluetooth and gps.
What does this mean? Well it means that we could get linux running with a compatible arm11 kernel, however we would not have any communication ability. And I think that you are correct that there is or is going to be an arch that supports both processors with one simple kernel.
Another thought... Qualcomm has their own OS (BREW) that is built for these chips. It might be worthwhile to download it to see if it gives us any more clues to the hardware then windows mobile does.
Hope that this helps.
P.S. here is qualcomms site with info on the msm7500 http://www.cdmatech.com/products/msm7500_chipset_solution.jsp

More research... Open moko was designed for the NEO1973 which runs at up to 266mhz. The mogul/titan according to qualcomm can run at speeds up to 528mhz. That is more than twice as fast! If you look at movies on youtube of the openmoko OS you will see that it runs really fast. Very comperable to windows mobile faster with some things slower with others. If you go to the openmoko wiki and look at the supported hardware you will see that the fastest processor of any of the devices that it runs on excluding the other HTC products is 312mhz. The mogul/titan runs at 400mhz with windows. The other openmoko HTC devices run at 416 and 520mhz. The mogul/titan is capable of 528 so if/when we get linux on the mogul/titan it should be extreamly fast once it is booted. For some reason linux takes a long time to load on mobile devices. However if we get a native bootloader replacing windows completly it will probably take about the same amount of time to boot. Currently my idea is to haret or any other bootloader in the windows startup folder to boot directly to linux once windows loads.
More research part 2...
ARM ltd. uses linux to test all arm processors during the development cycle. They test every feature and make sure that everything works correctly. They also use it to stress test the processors. So my question is why don't they release these drivers when the new processors are released? I will scour the internet for any unofficial drivers or anything that could help us. I will be posting everything that I find that I think might be helpfull.

First off sorry for the tripple post.
Now the exciting news. The msm7500 uses the ARM1136EJ-S core. I'm not sure how simular the ARM1136EJ-S is to the ARM1136J-S and the ARM1136JF-S. I know that in the computer world one letter can mean a heck of a lot or next to nothing but... There are patches for both of the later on the following site. http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/patches/search.php?summary=arm1136 granted these patches are atleast a year old but they do tell us one thing. the sub arch for these processors is arm1136 and that the most of the patches are in the linux/arch/arm/mm folder.
However in the kernel that I am using handhelds.org this still isnt an option. However there are three ARM Ltd. sub archs that I'm going to look up on their site and SA1100-based and also EBSA-110. I am hoping that the 11 in these archs means something to the effect of arm11 or that ARM Ltd. can spread some light on the situation. If worst comes to worst next Sunday or whenever I get enough time I will compile each of the arm kernels with the basic options and see is any of them boot on the mogul/titan. If they do that could mean either that we found the right arch or a compatible arch such as x86 is compatible with x86_64. Once I have something booting I will release it so other developers can use it to dump hardware information and if I can use usb networking or the keyboard by some stroke of luck I will try to get the output from a dmsg. Hope this helps
Breaking news: Disreguard most of what was just said some is true other is just guesses showing my stupidity. I just did a simple google search on "ARM1136EJ-S linux" without the quotes not expecting to find anything usefull. I was wrong again. I learned of other chips that use the ARM1136EJ-S core the TI OMAP2420 is based on this same core. Finally a arch that is selectable when configureing a kernel. Now to do more research into the TI OMAP2420 and other chips with this core and posibly finding some kernel configs to use as a starting point. I am so excited :-D

great find

Although not the same simular to the msm7500 (phone, wifi, BT, gps, 2 cores, usb, IR, flash, ram, keypad, camera, sd card) Oh yeah and did I forget to mention... People have booted linux on this bad boy. I also read that the kernel config for this is included with the linux kernel too!!!
http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wt...entId=4671&navigationId=11990&templateId=6123
P.S. This file in the handhelds.org kernel controls this processor and its preriphrials /linux/arch/arm/mach-omap2/board-h4.c
Where I located the information said that it can be found in /linux/arch/arm/mach-omap/board-h4.c with the kernel from kernel.org I'm not sure if this is just outdated or changed in handheld.org's version of the kernel eitherway I am going to have my computer build the kernel as I sleep tonight. (There will be no modules everything will be built in) <-- for simplicity incase it doesn't load the ext3 filesystem on the microsd card for some reason. I have a feeling that some of the irqs in the file listed will need to be changed to work with the mogul/titan but maybe we could get lucky.
A little more info for someone trying to build the kernel. The kconfig file in the in the mach-omap2 directory says this:
config MACH_OMAP_H4
bool "OMAP 2420 H4 board"
depends on ARCH_OMAP2 && ARCH_OMAP24XX
Hope that that helps if you are trying to get a working config. Oh yeah one more thing I am useing the handhelds.org kernel because 1. I have it 2. I figure that it is made to be compatible with the most devices. I am planning on switching to the openmoko kernel as soon as I have something booting. I might need to steal patchs etc from the handhelds.org kernel though. I don't know as I haven't downloaded the openmoko kernel yet.

Nice... see, I like being proved wrong for stuff like this.
I've been telling people it couldn't be done.
Keep up the good work researching!

Well I built a kernel...
I also loaded the kernel
I am unsure how far it gets after that I will post my haret log files. One I made an empty file named zImage-fake. The other one is my (nonworking) kernel. And one I made by booting the openmoko zImage that I found somewhere on the internet. None of them booted Are you really supprised? But we did get some information from haret. And I can verify that the progress bar in haret did move form the beggining to the end when booting both real kernels. The empty file does nothing and haret just sticks. Pretty much all this tells us is where haret is looking for the kernel and what it is decompressing. Memory mapping and so on. It is all greek to me I have no clue what it means. Hopefully you guys will know more.
Something interesting I was reading on the kiser forums about there progress with linux on that device. They dont even know about the cores being the same as the TI OMAP 2420 processor. However they say that haret only reconises the msm7500 as being there but has nothing more as in no ability to boot kernels because nothing is known about the cpu. If this is true could someone contact Kevin O'Connor as he is the one that patched haret to reconize the msm7500 and tell him about the OMAP discovery and see if that helps. Or contact Paul Sokolovsky the other haret maintainer.
my default.txt is as follows:
set KERNEL zImage
Set MTYPE 1463
set CMDLINE "rootdelay=1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 console=tty0 fbcon=rotate:1"
boot
One last thing here are the haret logs and my kernel config incase anyone wants it.
P.S. I compiled my kernel with binutils 2.18.50 and the following arm gcc toolchain arm-linux-gcc-3.4.1.tar.bz2 <-- I found the link here http://www.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/handhelds.org/projects/toolchain/ and binutils was found here ftp://sourceware.org/pub/binutils/snapshots and I referenced the guide to compile the kernel found here http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/KernelBuilding

More interesting/helpfull news...
Without specifying an mype haret reports "undefined MTYPE"
With the arguments "set MTYPE [MTYPE]" it will decompress the kernel.
I was hoping that I could find a MTYPE that wouldn't load but so far I have been unsucessfull. Everthing loads and there are 1538 different MTYPES. Now I guess that we could try every MTYPE untill we get something that boots or maybe someone has a better idea. Also here are some more devices with the same core.
Motorola MOTO Q9h Global
Motorola MOTO Q 9h (Q9h)
Nokia E90 Communicator
Verizon XV6800 (HTC Titan 100)
HTC Touch P3050 (HTC Vogue 100)
HTC S640 (HTC Iris 100)
Bell HTC 5800 (HTC Libra 100)
HTC 5800 (HTC Libra 100)
Bell HTC 6800 (HTC Titan 100)
HTC S720 (HTC Libra 100)
HTC P4000 (HTC Titan 100)

Here is a haret log when I pass the lsmod arguments. My guess that it shows all of the windows drivers that are loaded. Now if we just do a simple google search on them or if someone knows how decompress them and or look at them we can possibly find out more about the hardware.

My understanding,or rather assumption was that one processor ran windows and the other ran the radio and that the two were separate. I assumed that if you were to make linux run on these new phones,you would run linux on the 400mhz processor,and run the existing radio rom on the other which I would expect to make things much simpler. Rather than figuring out how to make the radio work,you would just have to figure out how to talk to the radio and the rest of the work would be done for you.

pflatlyne said:
My understanding,or rather assumption was that one processor ran windows and the other ran the radio and that the two were separate. I assumed that if you were to make linux run on these new phones,you would run linux on the 400mhz processor,and run the existing radio rom on the other which I would expect to make things much simpler. Rather than figuring out how to make the radio work,you would just have to figure out how to talk to the radio and the rest of the work would be done for you.
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I've been watching from the Kaiser Section. Firdtly let me say that I believe you are correct. The way every device I've seen uses the two processors is as Follows: The ARM11 is your 400mhz system processor & the integrated 274mhz ARM9 is almost always used a a modem connect the system to the radio, GPS, etc.
I don't know if you've seen this, but there are some Dev tools/Info available at: http://www.virtio.com/
10/21/2004 - Virtio Corporation, the creator of Virtual Platforms for embedded software development, introduced its latest product offering for the Texas Instruments (TI) OMAPTM platform, the VPOM-2420 Virtual Platform. This product provides fast, full-function emulation for TI's OMAP2420 software development platform. Virtual Platforms give software developers a target system model that can boot an operating system and run application code long before hardware becomes available, speeding new system software development.
Additional information is available at www.virtio.com/vpom-2420 and evaluation copies of the platform are on-line at http://www.virtio.com/download.

I'm really curious to know what has become of this. Could an insider provide an update please?

Best bet is to watch the android wip. I'm going to get another mogul here in a couple months, i'll be using my current one as a test bed. since it's my only phone, i'm not too keen on hacking into it just yet

Check http://cs-alb-pc3.massey.ac.nz/vogue

Running Android on Hermes

Hi guys,
I saw some forum topics about running succesfully running google's android on the kaiser and the vogue!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=383695 (Kaiser)
and
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382265 (Vogue)
The source for all those things is this page,
http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/
see here for an video on the kaiser...
http://echofloripa.blogspot.com/2008/04/android-in-kaiser-t-mobile-mda-vario.html
Do you think some linux experts are capable of running it on the hermes(tytn)?
I am not an expert on this, but i tried the Kaiser files on the hermes, but it didtn load the kernel right..
You dont have to flash your hermes for this, only running an exe on the hermes....!

TripleQ said:
I am not an expert on this, but i tried the Kaiser files on the hermes, but it didtn load the kernel right..
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If you will compile the kernel for Hermes, you can probably start the android runtime.

this will be cool....
keep us informed

cr2 said:
If you will compile the kernel for Hermes, you can probably start the android runtime.
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i'm a newbie in linux but i'll try to search about it. i think that in POF's web are a hermes linux kernel...

Yeah the idea off running android on the Hermes is very cool!
I dont have the knowledge to get this working...but the guys from the kaiser and the voguage(touch) forums where capable enough let it work..
Is anybody here smart enough for this?

ilion said:
i'm a newbie in linux but i'll try to search about it. i think that in POF's web are a hermes linux kernel...
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Interesting...here's POF's Linux thread started in 2006 and still active!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=273579

Any news?
I have seen compiled versions of the kernel for the Kaiser and the Vogue, but if anyone has a compiled kernel for the Hermes I willl test it out (I have three at home )

And the wait continues . Now with the Android developer challange closing Im despirate to get Android on my Hermes before it finally dies after being dropped for the 200th time.

The major boos tint his will be when the memcard drivers are written - the Hermes is low on RAM as far as I understand, and thus has problems. Once everything can be run from the card, it will be pretty trivial for someone who know what they are doing to recompile the kernel.
Doesn't seem to be much recent progress though!

Seemingly I can't spell.
It doesn't look like it is going to be easy getting this working as the controller for the mem card on the Hermes is apparently causing some trouble!

Hi there,
nikc0069 said:
It doesn't look like it is going to be easy getting this working as the controller for the mem card on the Hermes is apparently causing some trouble!
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That's not all!
There are some information that all the android stuff is compiled for ARMV5.
So no chance to drive the hermes with the packages provided.
HTC Kaiser also uses some newer instruction set.
If you got enough spare time, try to compile some of the android packages for ARMV4. That's what hermes is running.
Anyway, there's a lot work to get a suitable linux on hermes.
There had been some breaktrough on universal. Check that out!
Full debian EABI running on this platform!
It was console based first, but there had been a lot of development in the last few month and it has grown to a very useable linux
Hopefully there would be some usable linux on hermes platform too!
There's so much information so far...
...and it is similar to the openmoko stuff.
Maybe we should not waste the time to focus on android.
Regards,
scholbert

Any news?

I want Android for my Hermes

hmm
what?? hmm ... drools
I had just been browsing the web and thought I better keep an eye out for this ... looks awesome.

Looks like a lot of guys have been working to get Android on the TyTN II and just yesterday they were able to make/recieve calls. Im sure once a lot of the bugs are worked out, it can be ported over to the Hermes.

......mmm
Hi,
AdamNimrod said:
Looks like a lot of guys have been working to get Android on the TyTN II and just yesterday they were able to make/recieve calls. Im sure once a lot of the bugs are worked out, it can be ported over to the Hermes.
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that's the theory so far.
TYTN II is equipped with a newer ARM11 with a V5 instruction set (MSM7500) for system OS. Android has been designed to run on these new processors.
Fantastic work had been done by those guys to make it run!!!
TyTN uses older instruction set... i wrote this before.
Anyway, if there'll be some mods in the source code it perhaps will do some day.
Another complex part is all that GUI stuff. There's nothing to be found about the ATI 2282, the hermes is using for graphics.
Due to this fact there's only a very simple framebuffer in the current linux port for hermes, no ATI specific code for the GUI.
Maybe some of the masterminds out there will solve this issue some day .
At least i'm very interested in some source code for the ATI Imageon 2282 !
Anyone???
scholbert

scholbert said:
Another complex part is all that GUI stuff. There's nothing to be found about the ATI 2282, the hermes is using for graphics.
Due to this fact there's only a very simple framebuffer in the current linux port for hermes, no ATI specific code for the GUI.
Maybe some of the masterminds out there will solve this issue some day .
At least i'm very interested in some source code for the ATI Imageon 2282 !
Anyone???
scholbert
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http://www.umpcportal.com/products/product.php?id=55
if that is correct info athena has this same ati chip. And when I looked at the Athena/Android project, someone has allready made something with graphics. Look at this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=393389
it says graphics done!
Hope this helps in any way.

Hi sniveri,
thanks for the links.
...if that is correct info athena has this same ati chip. And when I looked at the Athena/Android project, someone has allready made something with graphics. Look at this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=393389
it says graphics done!
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HTC Athena uses ATI W2284. Maybe this part is very similar to W2282 on hermes.
Anyway, if you have a look in the patch, they also use vsfb (very simple framebuffer) driver for graphics.
This is the same like hermes, maybe it's O.K. for testing.
There's not much ATI specific code inside.
Still would enjoy to have a look on some ATI imageon driver code
Regards,
scholbert

I have unpacked two initrd-images and tried to found out what those contains. First one that works on hermes has init-file that is straigth link to /bin/busybox. After starting busybox it continues to inittab script to set environment settings or so I think.
Second initrd-image, that is made for kaiser or vogue, has someway compiled init file or something that I can not edit with any program..? It would be nice to know what scripts or commands this file contains.

Wow，it is cool.
I hope some expert can make Android run on our phone.

Can't boot Linux on Magician

Hi all,
I have a Qtek s100 reported to be the same as the magician
I tried booting Linux angstrom using Haret following the instructions from the wiki.
I also tried openmoko and QTOPIA following instructions there : http://linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa/htcmagician/
All tries ended the same way : Haret starts, displays a few lines, says "jumping to kernel", the screen becomes white, and nothing else happens. After a while , the screen is not illuminated anymore, and touching the touchscreen doesn't light it up, whereas the keys do.
I tried changing the runlevel, changing the root= to see if it was due to a bad support of the card reader, nothing changed.
Has anyone already had this problem and solved it ?
Thanks a lot,
Thomas

Hi
I have the same problem.
Try image from http://linuxtogo.org/~ph5/tmp/ - it's work great for me .
You can also boot other images like from http://excogitation.de/lastik/ which are the newest but you have to extract kernel and modules from http://linuxtogo.org/~ph5/tmp/Angst...-2008.1-test-20080216-magician.rootfs.tar.bz2 image and replace them in the image You want to use. Do not forget to copy also http://linuxtogo.org/~ph5/tmp/zImage-2.6.21-hh20-r13-magician.bin to use with haret.
Greets
PS
Sorry for my english

Thanks, I found a working kernel...
GPE works well, but it's not really easy without a stylus... But I like gomunicator, and I can recompile it with my smscenter...
I tried OM 2007.12, but "read sms" crashes, and upgrade crashes my install
OM 2008 doesn't start X...
Which distro did you find most functional ?
Thomas

i'm testing now Angstrom-x11-gpe from http://excogitation.de/lastik/ ( fast but it don't have apps for dialing and sms ). I tried image with opie (but it didn't worked for me) and with Angstrom-openmoko from http://www.linuxtogo.org/~ph5/tmp/ which is for me to slow to use (high memory usage) but the most functional.
Are you able to update packages?? I have some problems with this - i can connect to Magician over ssh, but i can't connect from it to the internet - coul you explain how are you connecting your magician to the computer?? are you using linux box?? what commands are you using.
Thanks

help with my magician ....the touchscreen doesn't work with angstromn x11 gpe... solution?? sorry for my bad english

newbie on PDA, seasoned on Liux
Hi,
I come from a lot of Linux background (since 2003)...
As the matter of fact I'm all the time on Linux, expect when I play a game from time to time (COD,MOH...)
So,
I did join this forum (great one!) and read posts a bit...
Found the OM and OPIE2 (QTOPIA?) images and only got booting with the MO2008 one
So i tweaked the SD ext2 partition a bit:
If (when) i used the 2.6.21 hh20 kernel it booted both the QT and the GTK based images
(one replaces the zImage in both the VFAT partition and in the /boot folder IMO?)
But...
The OPIE2 (Qtopia?) is a by far more pleasant experience:
1. back is always obvious
2. Input method is nice
3. the GUI is more polished
4. more themes per default
A. I missed a terminal
B. I missed a GUI for ipkg
C. I missed hardware support (hal,alsa,sound,sgm,gprs)
D. I missed bluetooth (stack?)
E. I missed networking (USB?)
F. no standard GNU suite: pico,mc,bpe
Then the OpenMoko didn't brill either:
1. It apparently had SGM support
2. It had decent input options
3. It worked acceptably well and almost fast
4. Terminal app (a whole lot more LINUX)
The cons:
A. It wasn't always clear where one is
B. It wasn't always clear where the 'bailout' button is
C. the hardware keys seemed not to work
D. far less apps onboard the image
E. Didn't stay long enough to see it all (must try again)...
F. no standard GNU suite: pico,mc,bpe
so, can we make one decent one?
I try to help?

cest73 said:
Hi,
I come from a lot of Linux background (since 2003)...
As the matter of fact I'm all the time on Linux, expect when I play a game from time to time (COD,MOH...)
So,
I did join this forum (great one!) and read posts a bit...
Found the OM and OPIE2 (QTOPIA?) images and only got booting with the MO2008 one
So i tweaked the SD ext2 partition a bit:
If (when) i used the 2.6.21 hh20 kernel it booted both the QT and the GTK based images
(one replaces the zImage in both the VFAT partition and in the /boot folder IMO?)
But...
The OPIE2 (Qtopia?) is a by far more pleasant experience:
1. back is always obvious
2. Input method is nice
3. the GUI is more polished
4. more themes per default
A. I missed a terminal
B. I missed a GUI for ipkg
C. I missed hardware support (hal,alsa,sound,sgm,gprs)
D. I missed bluetooth (stack?)
E. I missed networking (USB?)
F. no standard GNU suite: pico,mc,bpe
Then the OpenMoko didn't brill either:
1. It apparently had SGM support
2. It had decent input options
3. It worked acceptably well and almost fast
4. Terminal app (a whole lot more LINUX)
The cons:
A. It wasn't always clear where one is
B. It wasn't always clear where the 'bailout' button is
C. the hardware keys seemed not to work
D. far less apps onboard the image
E. Didn't stay long enough to see it all (must try again)...
F. no standard GNU suite: pico,mc,bpe
so, can we make one decent one?
I try to help?
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I just stumbled upon your post by accident - and it seems there isn't much interest in Magician in general
anymore - so in short there won't be full linux support for Magician (unless pH5 - or someone else (you?) finishes it).
Well actually the hardware is almost 100% supported (apart from IrDA, sound recording and camera)
(see here - but afaik the userspace stuff is missing so it doesn't work with the mentioned images.
Usbnet is working (to get you started look here or here)
If know/are interested to expedite userspace you probably don't need any help setting up a build environmend
(but you can always ask me).
The info on the wiki could also be useful.
The Camera is an OV9650 that's also used in
Motorola A780 (driver available for an earlier kernel)
HTC Alpine, HTC Sable, HTC Universal, HTC Wizard
Also I will reassemble a Magician I have lying around in parts if you need a tester
(or provide a nice image with good support).
Don't know if you had that OM image ... but there is one with Phone working.
(if you update it to the current state (well some months ago) through ipkg
the phone breaks (of course - new dialer), but sound (alsa) sarts working).

excogitation said:
Also I will reassemble a Magician I have lying around in parts if you need a tester
(or provide a nice image with good support).
Don't know if you had that OM image ... but there is one with Phone working.
(if you update it to the current state (well some months ago) through ipkg
the phone breaks (of course - new dialer), but sound (alsa) sarts working).
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If you're interested take a look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=408069
That's the main thread about this subject.

The Camera is an OV9650 that's also used in
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Camera is OV9640. Also used in FS720.
It seems Magician revisions have two different cameras, but I don't know differences...

Since I have the parts lying around I just took a look and it's definitely an OV9650 - and I'm fairly certain there aren't 2 different cameras - if you definitely have an ov9640 - then there are 2 different ones.
There are 2 different LCD's though - but that has already been taken care of by pH5 (that's why on some Magicians the hh17 and earlier kernels won't boot - again if I remember correctly).
I just took a look and found some stuff related ... I'll attach it here so maybe it can save you some time. (notes in the files may be German)
Since xda-devs doesn't want my file ... I put it here: ov9650 stuff
Also check here especially the driver and m560x ov9650.

wow amazing!
If we can get enough ppl working, an Android port could be a viable project in the future.
If you need a tester, I once managed to boot linux in the past, and i have a spare SD card for testings.
Thank you guys!

iRiKi said:
wow amazing!
If we can get enough ppl working, an Android port could be a viable project in the future.
If you need a tester, I once managed to boot linux in the past, and i have a spare SD card for testings.
Thank you guys!
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Well I highly doubt that's going to happen any time soon - but Android "runs" on Apache so that should get someone interested started.

iRiKi said:
wow amazing!
If we can get enough ppl working, an Android port could be a viable project in the future.
If you need a tester, I once managed to boot linux in the past, and i have a spare SD card for testings.
Thank you guys!
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linux yes
android ?????
after some emails with people involve with linux there seems to be issues in porting the android kernel
if you wanna help with the linux port head there
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=408069&page=7

Just a bump to a thread
maybe this should be make sticky, for who knows when the last Magician with Linux user is going to break down?
They might want to slump together a linux build mean while?

Ubuntu on the HTC Shift

I've been checking out the stuff on the web about Linux on the shift, found these, pretty interesting. This ubuntu even detects the motion rolling from left to right, and he makes the cursor move around the screen by tilting the unit. Also has csreen rotation working:
http://mobilitysite.com/2008/07/ubuntu-in-a-htc-shift/
another one:
http://pof.eslack.org/blog/2008/04/14/linux-on-htc-shift/
"Once Ubuntu is installed, you get a menu at boot time which lets you choose which operating system to boot, Vista or Ubuntu. Surprisingly most of the hardware is auto-detected by ubuntu, and almost everything works out of the box:
* Audio is working, mute and volume control works using the Fn keys.
* SD card reader is working.
* Adjusting the screen backlight works with the proper Fn keys.
* Webcam is working (you can test it with gstreamer-properties).
* CPU frequency scaling works by default too on the Intel Stealy 800Mhz CPU, you can monitor it by enabling the cpufreq gnome pannel.
* ACPI is working, you can get the CPU temperature using the sensors-applet.
* Screen resolution works at 800×480. I have not tried higher resolutions yet.
* Bluetooth is working.
However there are a few things that require some extra work in order to have them working properly."

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=381915

its pof old work! it works only with 8.04 but once updated the system, most pof works will not work.

Hi
I installed Ubuntu last night as I can't get any other version of Windows (except the memory and space hogging Vista) to install at the moment.
I was very impressed with how much DID work without any fiddling and now I shall spend another few evenings reading exactly how to make the rest of it work.
I'm hoping to be able to then get rid of Vista (but not off the X partition JUST IN CASE!) and regain some space, but I think that I need Windows to run some software for my OU degree course... rather important given this was my excuse for buying a SHIFT (so I'd always be able to work on my degree regardless of where I was (or so my other half thinks!)).
However I know NOTHING about Linux and am somewhat daunted by it but also looking forward to getting a more "hands on" with the Shift and some more computing experience under my belt.
I am rather excited by the concept of actually being able to use things like the g-sensor. Why would HTC put it in then give you nothing to make it work under Vista? Kinda sums up their decision-process when creating the Shift, if you ask me...

Ubuntu on an external USB hard disk also works as described. Wireless doesn't work; this is noted elsewhere in this thread: the 8686 drivers need to be found, compiled, and installed; any detailed pointers would be much appreciated. 640x480 resolution (only) is a major drawback, as control panels come up with essential buttons off screen, and there doesn't seem to be any trick to move them on screen. It boots much faster and it is much more responsive than VISTA ... I would make Ubuntu permanent on the Shift platform if I could get wireless and the resolution control working.

cnbabbage said:
I would make Ubuntu permanent on the Shift platform if I could get wireless and the resolution control working.
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If you go to POF's website (link in the second link in the first message of this thread I think) there is an installer packet that should make WIFI work although being a Linux novice, it doesn't for me! It seems to do what it's meant to do as I can see stuff happening in the terminal window but nothing actually happens or changes after it's done...
I agree that the resolution is a BIG problem at 800 x 640 or whatever it is under Ubuntu 8.04 and hope someone has a solution soon PLEASE!

for Resolution, you can go and reconfig your Xserver yourself. Never used to get it to work on ubuntu but on gentoo no problem at all.
All other pof stuff will work with smal adjustments !! just read the right threads.

Neutron83 said:
for Resolution, you can go and reconfig your Xserver yourself. Never used to get it to work on ubuntu but on gentoo no problem at all.
All other pof stuff will work with smal adjustments !! just read the right threads.
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I think I did well to get as far as I did as a Noob actually (and a girl one at that!). I have no problem with people saying "search the forum" to people who ask simple questions like "how do I access SnapVue" but when someone's clearly done their research and is still struggling, it's very frustrating. I've just spent nearly ALL weekend on this forum (and google) and got as far as making Ubuntu 8.10 work as I wanted except Wifi and screen resolution, given no one else has mentioned any of these necessities working on 8.10 as far as I can remember and the fact I know nothing about Linux!! Proof in point; your first comment about the Xserver - I don't even know what that is (though I've probably been fiddling in it)
When I have the time I'll start a new thread with all my wonderful findings so it's all in one place - but I have to earn a living and feed the family so it's not high on my agenda this week. I'm due some time off work, so will aim to get it done then (like painting the kitchen and making curtains for my daughter's room...!)

I can upload older ubuntu 8.04 someplace. With this version all pofs configs and hacks work normally.

Hello together!
I'm also working on getting a current Linux up and running on the Shift (Arch Linux with kernel 2.6.28) and found these problems/"solutions":
- Display: I believe that's a combined hard- and software problem. The display doesn't report its correct capabilities and the driver doesn't handle interpolated resolutions that well (I modified the driver for this). I already mailed this to the xorg mailing list, but I didn't get an answer (perhaps I missed some information like driver version)
- Wifi: The old Marvell driver (from their website) isn't compatible with 2.6.28 anymore, but there is a new one in the kernel itself (called libertas), that only needs the firmware in /lib/firmware (check out this git repo if you need to). But at least in my case the chip is still not working, cause the SD controller is buggy and unknown. But I'm talking with some Devs who are willing to help.
- Touchscreen: You need this module to glue htcpen and the xserver together. Then it works like in Pof's manual.
All in all: I believe in having a fully working Linux on the Shift somewhen
Greetings,
Sven

Oaky guys:
Xserver = your grafical environment
Yea u're right the display doesnt send useable stuff to the Soft but you can hard overwrite the combinations of wich ModeLines are used, its a bit more advanced linux stuff but as far as you dont try to learn you wont get it .... i acctually use a 1024 x 600 is possible and i use it !
I Can give my x config to you here if you like to ! (When i am home
sorry for my roughness but i am not a linux pro just advanced PC user and i was able to do such stuff also !!
Greets

Appreciated!
If you could post your config when you have time I would be grateful (as would others!)

@Neutron83:
What version of the intel driver are you using? I'm using 2.4.1 (and newer) and I wasn't able to override the setting no matter what I did. But please share your config. I'd like to give it a chance.
Greeting,
Sven

please, can someone confirm me that ubuntu can do 1024x600 on htc shift?
i would like to buy one of them but i'm not sure about 1024x600 under linux.
thanks a lot

someone posted that xorg_conf can be modified in someway to get bigger resolution. no one have posted working config for this yet. If someone could post it, it would be great.

Shift's screen is 800x480 pixels (http://www.htc.com/europe/faqs.aspx?p_id=60&cat=0&id=45486.) Bundled software (~\htc\resolution.exe and ~\htc\ResolutioLauncher.exe) switches between native 800x480 and emulated 1024x600.
Any progress on a linux driver for the Marvell 8686 wifi card?

Hi @All,
maybe somewhere experts of you can build a script again for Ubuntu 9 users, the most of them I think can work with Linux, but the most are Windows users (like me) and are overstrained with modding aditional Hardware into Ubuntu ;-)

How's everyone going with Ubuntu on the Shift? Samstables?
I'm downloading and installing the current wubi to put ubuntu on with vista as a dual boot to see how much works out of the box and how much I can get working mucking around (low level linux user here )

hmm... my shift is a dustcover at the moment...

pls give me image iso ubuntu on a works drivers!!