Hi,
I currently have the iphone 3G, but am soon due for an upgrade and considering the HD2. I must say that I love the iphone, I think it works flawlessly. The obvious choice for an upgrade would be the 3GS, but there is just not enough difference from the 3G to warrant me spending over £200 upgrading to it.
After searching around I came across the HD2, and I must say it looks an awesome phone. My concerns though are that I might be disappointed coming from the iphone and wanted some honest opinions. In an ideal world I'd go and have a play with a HD2 in store, but everywhere's sold out and I can only get in from the online store.
One of the major things I like about the iphone is the touchscreen, it is truly a wonder. I have not come across a touchscreen yet that comes anywhere close to the iphones as far as fluidity, responsiveness, and its ability to do just what I want it to. No pressing the wrong link on the internet, no having to tap an icon again as the screen didn't pick up on my touch the first time etc. I know this is a HTC forum so opinions will be biased, but it the screen as good as the iphones? I've used the HTC touch diamond in the past and thought it was appalling.
How quick is it. I know it has a 1GHz processor etc, but what does that mean in the real world? For example, if I want to open an app or program is there any delay or does it open instantly?
I've looked at some videos on you tube and when people use the menu slider on the bottom they always hslide it across to get to the function that they require rather than just tapping the icon they want to use as there are a few on the display at any one tie. Is that just preference or can't you tap directly on the icon?
From reading other threads on problems with the HD2 it seems as though a lot can be fixed using cabs, what are these?
How are text messages displayed, do they come in conversation style as on the iphone, or as individual messages? I've read a lot about problems with the SMS on the HD2, what are these problems and is it something that is likely to be recified in the near future?
Can you customise ringtones and message alerts? I know it's not a biggie but one thing that really annoys me with the iphone is the crappy message alert tones that come with it, and then the fact that you can't use your own.
Cheers
From your words about your requirements & expectations, it's better for u to go with iPhone3GS.
Iam afraid HD2 has its own plus points but not in those areas you prefer.
One of the major things I like about the iphone is the touchscreen, it is truly a wonder. I have not come across a touchscreen yet that comes anywhere close to the iphones as far as fluidity, responsiveness, and its ability to do just what I want it to. No pressing the wrong link on the internet, no having to tap an icon again as the screen didn't pick up on my touch the first time etc. I know this is a HTC forum so opinions will be biased, but it the screen as good as the iphones? I've used the HTC touch diamond in the past and thought it was appalling.
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OK, we have to differentiate a bit here.
The hardware of the touchscreen is the same. It's not the resistive technology they used before, e.g. in the Diamond, but the capacitive touch technology that's also used in the iPhone.
That means: The touchscreen is just as responsive, doesn't require pressure, has the same high quality feel and doesn't allow for fingernail/stylus input - same as the iPhone.
The software is different, and this is a bit hard to explain:
On one hand, Windows Mobile runs very very fast on the 1GHz Snapdragon processor. Most of the time, it's as fast or even faster than the iPhone 3GS.
But, at times, it is not as fluid, because there are no 'beautiful' animations and sometimes, things can get laggy. However, with the ultra fast processor, this happens very rarely, compared to older WM devices.
Conclusion: I wouldn't claim that it's faster than an iPhone 3GS, because while it probably is faster most of the time, it may lag sometimes, depending on what you do with it (e.g. heavy multitasking),
However, it will definitely be MUCH faster than your current iPhone 3G.
How quick is it. I know it has a 1GHz processor etc, but what does that mean in the real world? For example, if I want to open an app or program is there any delay or does it open instantly?
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I think I've explained this above. To sum it up: It's fast. VERY fast. Almost everything opens instantly, like on an iPhone 3GS or even faster.
I've looked at some videos on you tube and when people use the menu slider on the bottom they always hslide it across to get to the function that they require rather than just tapping the icon they want to use as there are a few on the display at any one tie. Is that just preference or can't you tap directly on the icon?
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You CAN tap directly on an icon.
Of course, you don't see al icons, just those who are located next to the tab you are in. But you can create your own shortcots for each tab, e.g. you can create a shortcut to the music tab on the homescreen if you don't like sliding across to get to the music tab.
From reading other threads on problems with the HD2 it seems as though a lot can be fixed using cabs, what are these?
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.cabs are the equivalent to installers on Windows. You copy them to your phone (or download them directly from your phone) and open them to install them.
When someone finds a fix/tweak, he often creates a .cab and makes it available here on the forum, so that other people can easily apply the fix/tweak to their phones as well.
If you buy/download applications, they also come as .cab files.
How are text messages displayed, do they come in conversation style as on the iphone, or as individual messages?
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Conversation style, as well as within people's contact cards, so that you can easily see all the conversation you had with someone (SMS, mail, calls, ...)
I've read a lot about problems with the SMS on the HD2, what are these problems and is it something that is likely to be recified in the near future?
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Some people have trouble sending SMS. The SMS just remain in the outbox and don't get sent. Some also can't receive SMS.
HTC is working on a fix and it should be provided with a ROM upgrade, soon.
In the meantime, disabling HTC Messaging is a possible workaround (among others that may or may not work).
Can you customise ringtones and message alerts?
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Yes.
It's a Windows Mobile phone, which means you can customise pretty much anything.
skr_xd said:
From your words about your requirements & expectations, it's better for u to go with iPhone3GS.
Iam afraid HD2 has its own plus points but not in those areas you prefer.
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I think I agree with this... From what I understand the iphone keyboard is (a bit) better although it's still personal preference, the htc screen is great but has it's quirks... I still misclick every now and then. About the icons, you can click those visible directly but by sliding you also reach the ones just outside the screen. Sliding is also more fancy looking of course
It's fast, at least for a winmo device. Apps open quickly but it also depends on how heavy the app is (tomtom for example, it doesn't open instantly but still very fast... especially compared to touch pro).
It's heavily customizable, using cabs amongst others. Cabs are simply some sort of installation files. You usually put them on your phone (memory card) and run them to install applications, apply changes to registry, etc. Ringtones can be set to whatever you want. Without cabs.
If you're totally fond of the iphone I don't know if the HD2 is for you. It's fine as it is but you have to like tweaking and playing around with it imo, especially to reach it's full potential.
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One of the major things I like about the iphone is the touchscreen, it is truly a wonder. I have not come across a touchscreen yet that comes anywhere close to the iphones as far as fluidity, responsiveness, and its ability to do just what I want it to. No pressing the wrong link on the internet, no having to tap an icon again as the screen didn't pick up on my touch the first time etc. I know this is a HTC forum so opinions will be biased, but it the screen as good as the iphones? I've used the HTC touch diamond in the past and thought it was appalling.
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The screen is great. Really. It's capacitive, so the feeling is closer to what you get from an iphone than what you got from any previous winmo phone. It may be a tiny bit less responsive than an iphone.
How quick is it. I know it has a 1GHz processor etc, but what does that mean in the real world? For example, if I want to open an app or program is there any delay or does it open instantly?
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It's really fast. Most of the apps open instantly, the biggest ones will of course need a few seconds.
I've looked at some videos on you tube and when people use the menu slider on the bottom they always hslide it across to get to the function that they require rather than just tapping the icon they want to use as there are a few on the display at any one tie. Is that just preference or can't you tap directly on the icon?
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You can tap it, but the slider doesn't show all of the icons, so you'll have to slide it to reach some of them. You can however change the order to access your favourite ones with one tap.
From reading other threads on problems with the HD2 it seems as though a lot can be fixed using cabs, what are these?
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Cabs are the installer files on winmo.
How are text messages displayed, do they come in conversation style as on the iphone, or as individual messages? I've read a lot about problems with the SMS on the HD2, what are these problems and is it something that is likely to be recified in the near future?
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Conversation style, but no comic bubbles. There are two main problems. First one is a huge lag when opening conversations with lots of messages. The second one is that when you want to send a message, it will sometimes take a few hours before it's actually sent. I personally never experienced the second one, however.
Can you customise ringtones and message alerts? I know it's not a biggie but one thing that really annoys me with the iphone is the crappy message alert tones that come with it, and then the fact that you can't use your own.
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Yes. It's winmo, you can customise everything.
snerkler : I would recommend you to check this review
http://pocketnow.com/hardware-1/another-spin-on-the-htc-hd2
and second part
http://pocketnow.com/software-1/another-spin-on-the-htc-hd2-part-2
Some general thoughts, in addition to my answer above:
The hardware of the HD2 is better, hands down. However, the software is quite different. I think none of the operating systems, Windows Mobile or iPhone OS, is better or worse, but they are very different and have very different strenghts and weaknesses.
I can give you some thoughts that may help you decide:
The iPhone is very easy to use, fluid and most of the time, 'just works'. However, this comes at a price: It is also very limited, in order to achieve its ease of use.
As long as you don't reach the limits, you're fine.
But when you reach the limits
(e.g. you want to have information on the home screen, you want to multitask, send something via Bluetooth, use it as USB storage, costumise ringtones and so on...)
then things get complicated on the iPhone. You either can't do something at all, or you need to hack/jailbreak it or find workarounds for the shortcomings.
With Windows Mobile, you get everything out of the box. It can do pretty much everything and has all the basic and advanced features that the iPhone lacks.
However, just like the iPhone's ease of use, Windows Mobile's feature-richness comes at a price as well: It definitely is more complicated and doesn't always work instantly, if you want to install/change something.
Sense tries to make the basic things as easy to use as on the iPhone, and I have to say it does that quite well. But it's still not THAT easy.
On the other hand, if you want to go beyond the limits that Apple set on the iPhone, things often get MUCH more complicated than they are on Windows Mobile.
Conclusion:
If you don't reach the limits of your iPhone, i.e. if you're not missing anything that the iPhone can't do, then it will probably the better device for you, because then it's more easy to use and 'just works' for you.
If, however, you miss a bunch of features and you try to work around them on the iPhone (e.g. by jailbreaking it), then a Windows Mobile device, particulary the HTC HD2, is probably the better choice, because though not everything is as easy, you get everything out of the box. And you also get the better hardware.
The HTC HD2 also has a special place among the Windows Phones. Sense/TouchFlo has evolved over time and now the basic things (i.e. everything that the iPhone can do) are almost as easy on the HD2.
There are still exceptions, like installing software, but it has come so close that I
personally think that the HD2 is the better choice for almost everyone, except for those who really never reach the limits of the iPhone.
Because, for giving up a bit of ease of use, you get tons of additional features, as well as the better hardware:
- 4.3" screen, much better camera, faster processor, more RAM...
- multitasking
- maximum customizability
- no iTunes required, you can connect it as storage device
- file explorer
- better notifications concept
- more professional, customizable home screen
- Bluetooth file transfers
- good Emulators like Morphgear
- and much more
Whether this is enough to make you accept the loss of ease of use compared to the iPhone is your choice.
Previously, the gap in ease of use has been much greater, that means you had to sacrifice a lot more in order to get all the features of Windows Mobile, but with the HD2 HTC has come so close that I think it's really the better choice for lots of people now.
However, everyone still has to decide for him/herself. I hope I could help.
IMO For your needs go with the 3GS mate.
Ive had all the iphones 2g, 3g and 3gs. The 3gs is much better then the 3g. For me...i started to hate the iphone for is ONE Dimensionalness (is that a word) I wanted somehting more and that was the HD2. Personally I hate the iphone. So my opinon is basised... ive been with it it since 2007 and trust me the HD2 is pure joy. I agree with others on this forum and If I were you I would get the 3GS is a much better device then your crappy 3G.
Thanks for all the replies. The HTC does sound more and more interesting. I know I said I like how the iphone just works, but I am feeling like I need a new challenge. What I meant about the iphone 'just working' is not necessarily that it is easy to use and everything is straight forward, but more the interface I guess. The way that you navigate around the touchscreen. I am a bit of a gadget freak and do like playing around with stuff, which is why I've been looking at the HD2. I am finally feeling left wanting a bit more with the iphone now. I've gone through all the free apps etc, and while some are great fun initially, I never use them anymore. I play solitaire now more than anything else. I need something a bit more taxing, like I said, a new challenge
If the touchscreen is up there with the iphone then maybe I need to give this phone some serious consideration.
Just out of curiosity is the problem sending SMS on a particular network or any network?
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Thanks for all the replies. The HTC does sound more and more interesting. I know I said I like how the iphone just works, but I am feeling like I need a new challenge. What I meant about the iphone 'just working' is not necessarily that it is easy to use and everything is straight forward, but more the interface I guess. The way that you navigate around the touchscreen. I am a bit of a gadget freak and do like playing around with stuff, which is why I've been looking at the HD2. I am finally feeling left wanting a bit more with the iphone now. I've gone through all the free apps etc, and while some are great fun initially, I never use them anymore. I play solitaire now more than anything else. I need something a bit more taxing, like I said, a new challenge
If the touchscreen is up there with the iphone then maybe I need to give this phone some serious consideration.
Just out of curiosity is the problem sending SMS on a particular network or any network?
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I don't have sms problems with any of the ROMs I have used for HD2.
From default 1.43 to latest 1.61 turkey ROM.
So, it seems to vs certain operator specific.
Check in the sms issue thread for any user from your country/operator and see.
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Thanks for all the replies. The HTC does sound more and more interesting. I know I said I like how the iphone just works, but I am feeling like I need a new challenge. What I meant about the iphone 'just working' is not necessarily that it is easy to use and everything is straight forward, but more the interface I guess. The way that you navigate around the touchscreen. I am a bit of a gadget freak and do like playing around with stuff, which is why I've been looking at the HD2. I am finally feeling left wanting a bit more with the iphone now. I've gone through all the free apps etc, and while some are great fun initially, I never use them anymore. I play solitaire now more than anything else. I need something a bit more taxing, like I said, a new challenge
If the touchscreen is up there with the iphone then maybe I need to give this phone some serious consideration.
Just out of curiosity is the problem sending SMS on a particular network or any network?
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I've been through all the iphones as well (2g, 3g, 3gs, and got 3gs for many family members including the wifey). The 3GS is a MUCH better device than the 3G and worth the upgrade in my opinion simply because the speed just makes it feel more fluid.
In the same way the HD2 makes WinMo actually feel usable and more enjoyable to use (especially with touchflo), but it's not a little faster as the 3GS is to the 3G... it's a LOT faster. That's just because the old WinMo phones are slow (my last was the Touch HD), but I wouldn't say it's REALLY fast as some of the reviews do... it's just very usable now. However, I'm comfortable with the WinMo OS so the HD2 is a joy to use for me.
Hardware wise, my wife picked up my HD2 when I got it and wanted to play with it since I couldn't stop talking about it for weeks until I finally got one. she LOVED the hardware, and being a non-geek (fashion background) I was surprised when she started commenting on the build quality and she compared it to her iPhone 3GS similar to our new new LED backlit LCD TV vs. our old SD tube television!
She really enjoyed playing with it for a while and going through the tabs in touchflo and thought it was BETTER than her iPhone. Then she moved to the audio player tab... which crashed on her. Disappointed, she continued onwards as she really liked the phone. Then she moved to the settings tab. She looked at it for a few seconds... put down the phone and decided to continue using her iPhone instead.
Even though we've been in 3 countries since I got it, it's automatically set itself up and I've had data access in every country... where her iPhone can't even be set-up to use the network data (needs proxy settings in APN), I've been able to tether, create adhoc networks, take much better pics, read pdfs more clearly, keep up with my tweets, modify excel spreadsheets, review powerpoints, watch television shows downloaded from the net, etc... she decided the iphone was better for her since she didn't have to look at settings and it easily synced to her MacBook so she could show off her pics to family, and as you said... it just works.
She also loves her MacBook and I love my Thinkpad.
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Then she moved to the settings tab. She looked at it for a few seconds... put down the phone and decided to continue using her iPhone instead.
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Ha ha ha, that's brilliant! That to me really sums up why the iphone is the better choice for some people and why the HD2 is the best for others. I love being able to fiddle with settings and customise and change things which is why I will get the HD2 and would never consider the iphone, as good as it is at the things it can do.
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Just out of curiosity is the problem sending SMS on a particular network or any network?
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I haven't had the SMS problem, so it isn't across the board.
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Ha ha ha, that's brilliant! That to me really sums up why the iphone is the better choice for some people and why the HD2 is the best for others. I love being able to fiddle with settings and customise and change things which is why I will get the HD2 and would never consider the iphone, as good as it is at the things it can do.
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This is exactly why I'm looking at this phone, I like to fiddle and tweak stuff (and I'm referring to gadgets here )
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I haven't had the SMS problem, so it isn't across the board.
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Same here, not that I usually keep as many, but I intentionally kept about 300 SMSs to test this problem and there is a minor few milliseconds slowdown, but nothing you'd really notice. I also use the FPU enabler, not sure if that makes a difference to SMS though.
Incidentally I don't have any other problems with my phone, works 100% since unboxing.
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Hello fellas and ladies!
My brother got an iPhone a few weeks ago and of course I have been testing it and comparing it to my first love (universal), which is still up for sale if anyone is interested !!!
I would like to mention the following (based on my comparison with my Uni) and ask you a question!
Pros:
3G/wifi internet is faster on the iPhone
- On Uni I have tried with Opera 9.5 and IE
Games are so much more advanced and flawless especially with the accelerometer!
Battery with heavy use on the iPhone lasts a little over a day! The Uni lasts much less with heavy use!! The battery on the Uni is terrible...
Cons:
No SD slot
Battery is not easily accessible
I hate iTunes
practically no cracked/patched soft/games <----- Huge downfall!!
At the moment I can't think of much else.
I can't wait for Omni any longer, they've been promising it for over a year and nothing yet.
So my question is: Would you consider switching from the Uni to the iPhone, and why?
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Hello fellas and ladies!
My brother got an iPhone a few weeks ago and of course I have been testing it and comparing it to my first love (universal), which is still up for sale if anyone is interested !!!
I would like to mention the following (based on my comparison with my Uni) and ask you a question!
Pros:
3G/wifi internet is faster on the iPhone
- On Uni I have tried with Opera 9.5 and IE
Games are so much more advanced and flawless especially with the accelerometer!
Battery with heavy use on the iPhone lasts a little over a day! The Uni lasts much less with heavy use!! The battery on the Uni is terrible...
Cons:
No SD slot
Battery is not easily accessible
I hate iTunes
practically no cracked/patched soft/games <----- Huge downfall!!
At the moment I can't think of much else.
I can't wait for Omni any longer, they've been promising it for over a year and nothing yet.
So my question is: Would you consider switching from the Uni to the iPhone, and why?
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Never!! never!!
I just have too much reasons to not buying an Iphone never in my life......
Read here to find out more: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=314455
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Never!! never!!
I just have too much reasons to not buying an Iphone never in my life......
Read here to find out more: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=314455
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I have respectfully read and agreed with most points in that thread!
However! my main reason for getting the iPhone would be internet access and battery life. Yes! I said it! battery life! my Uni will not last 5 hours internet browsing + video + music + games + work (word, notepad, calc, txt, mail, camera and so on) And I don't want to get an extended battery as its bulky as it is.
As much as we all want to hate the iPhone (me included!), we can't deny its internet browsing speeds both on WiFi and 3G (which is at the moment my main interest) Also GPS, accelerometer (fun!) and the crisp LCD! + more of which I can't think of right now.
I also have a problem with my Uni losing signal quiet often, and I get complaints that I'm unreachable!!! and I have tried many ROMs and Radios to fix this.
I don't know if its the hype of the iPhone or my frustration with the Uni that I'm considering it.
I guess, I just want a phone that works and capable of browsing 3G speeds...
But I will miss all the necessities that PPC offers!
Why can't someone on this forum flash the iPhone with WM6.1???!!!! Now that would be sweet!
I don't know what to do, I'm in dire need of battery life + 3G speed + 3.5 LCD (and above) + compact and accelerometer lol
Any thoughts?
I had an Iphone and sold it....as a gadget is nice specially for its multimedia features, but as a convergence device falls short in many ways..I wouldn't even consider trade it back for my HtC tilt much less for the Uni.
Could you buy/check in your country Samsung i900 Omnia? Much more features than iPhone, everybody speaks very good about it, and in Italy even cheaper than iPhone.
If I had to choose between Omnia and iPhone no doubt for Omnia, but I still have my Universal and it still works so good (even better with all the ROMS here )
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I had an Iphone and sold it....as a gadget is nice specially for its multimedia features, but as a convergence device falls short in many ways..I wouldn't even consider trade it back for my HtC tilt much less for the Uni.
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I completely agree with you and I'm not even thinking of it as a replacement of my beloved Uni no matter how many times my Uni losses signal. I've even considered carrying them both in my two pockets, and yes I am joking!! but the thought did cross my mind!
But wouldn't you confirm that the battery life is better, 3G/WiFi is faster, and undoubtedly we'll see some development as far as hacks and manipulations with the ROM... I'm really hoping that someone can flash it with WM6.1 now that would be an awesome phone!
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Could you buy/check in your country Samsung i900 Omnia? Much more features than iPhone, everybody speaks very good about it, and in Italy even cheaper than iPhone.
If I had to choose between Omnia and iPhone no doubt for Omnia, but I still have my Universal and it still works so good (even better with all the ROMS here )
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We do have the i900 up here, but I don't want to downgrade to a smaller screen if anything I'd like a larger one. Aside from the screen size it's a very impressive phone!
I don't understand why manufacturers do this moronic.... THING!!!! its absolutely frustrating why would you compete (i900) with the iPhone which has a 3.5" lcd with a 3.2"!!!!???? if only i900 had a larger screen I wouldn't even turn my head in iPhone's direction....... uuuuhhhhggggghhhhhhh
Why not get a touch diamond or touch pro? I have gone from the XDA Exec (Universal) to the diamond and am happy.
The on screen keyboard is tricky at first but my diamond flies and gets over a day so far when using GPS / Wifi etc. I would have gone for the pro as I am very used to the unis keyboard but in the end I couldn't justify the £150+ on top of what I got my Diamond for to go with the Pro just for the keyboard, card slot and extra memory. Try one out you might be surpised how nice they are and what they offer
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Why not get a touch diamond or touch pro? I have gone from the XDA Exec (Universal) to the diamond and am happy.
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I wish it was that easy, but I can't seem to settle with a smaller screen size than the one I have now.. I simply can't.
I appreciate your recomendation but the screen size is stopping me from moving past this obsession with the iPhone! Also, the speed of the 3G/WiFi as I mentioned above is what pushing me to get the iPhone...
All the people I know who own an iPhone not only are they happy with it but with every passing day they enjoy it even more.
The iPhone is far from being a good phone for buisiness use. You have limitations with e-mails, you don't synchronise easily with Outlook, the contacts are not accessed as easily as on WM6 and that is a very important aspect, if you have many contacts in your list.
The iPhone will make you scroll much more through the list, which is time consuming.
I tried the browsing, but the lack of keyboard is frustrating. The browser might be quite good, but it is not THAT much better.
iTunes is too annoying for me - I don't want to synchronize my musics, I just want to copy my mp3 songs. I HATE iTunes and would NEVER buy an iPod unless they change that.
Then you get a completly locked device, no memory expansion, no SDK, no freeware,...
I know - there now is a free SDK, but it is limited (cannot access all funtions) and developers have to pay to publish it, which means there won't be freeware.
All in all, I would say, the iPhone looks good, is a nice gadget and suits a normal user fine.
I however like to have something more powerfull: great screen, keyboard, lots of software and emulators. Hell, on the Universal you can even run DOS!
Cheers,
vma
vma said:
The iPhone is far from being a good phone for buisiness use. You have limitations with e-mails, you don't synchronise easily with Outlook, the contacts are not accessed as easily as on WM6 and that is a very important aspect, if you have many contacts in your list.
The iPhone will make you scroll much more through the list, which is time consuming.
I tried the browsing, but the lack of keyboard is frustrating. The browser might be quite good, but it is not THAT much better.
iTunes is too annoying for me - I don't want to synchronize my musics, I just want to copy my mp3 songs. I HATE iTunes and would NEVER buy an iPod unless they change that.
Then you get a completly locked device, no memory expansion, no SDK, no freeware,...
I know - there now is a free SDK, but it is limited (cannot access all funtions) and developers have to pay to publish it, which means there won't be freeware.
All in all, I would say, the iPhone looks good, is a nice gadget and suits a normal user fine.
I however like to have something more powerfull: great screen, keyboard, lots of software and emulators. Hell, on the Universal you can even run DOS!
Cheers,
vma
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Completly agree mate, well said!
In that case I would prefer to try HTC G1 with the new Android, but Iphone never!
Cheers
vma said:
...I HATE iTunes and would NEVER buy an iPod unless they change that.
Then you get a completly locked device, no memory expansion, no SDK, no freeware,...
I know - there now is a free SDK, but it is limited (cannot access all funtions) and developers have to pay to publish it, which means there won't be freeware.
...lots of software and emulators. Hell, on the Universal you can even run DOS!
Cheers,
vma
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These are the reasons as to why I still haven't committed to an iPhone.
It would be very hard to go from a Uni to something so "LOCKED" and "ONE DIMENSIONAL" But I do need a fast internet browsing device and a better battery life without the bulk, and not to mention the ability to receive calls in a home's basement which my Uni is not capable of doing.
Perhaps I'll wait until the G1 comes out as orb3000 said but than again I've seen it and its hideous!
I don't know... I just need a phone that works with fast browsing abilities, but then again I'll miss all the things that the Uni and WM represent!!
Honestly try a touch pro or diamond for a few hours - get one and send it back if not happy? I think you will be surprised
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Honestly try a touch pro or diamond for a few hours - get one and send it back if not happy? I think you will be surprised
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Maybe I'll go back to the mall and play with the diamond again... but I need someone to come with me so that I can be held away from the iPhone!! any volunteers?
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the contacts are not accessed as easily as on WM6 and that is a very important aspect, if you have many contacts in your list.[/QOUTE]
ahhh...Not true, with the latest firmware you can search through your contacts like in WM6
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The iPhone will make you scroll much more through the list, which is time consuming.[/QOUTE]
Again, this is not true; for alphabetically arranged stuff in a list you can use the Alphabet row on the Right hand side to quickly scroll, otherwise IMHO scrolling is a lot easier with the new Multi-touch vs taking out the stylus and using it to scroll.
[QOUTE] tried the browsing, but the lack of keyboard is frustrating. The browser might be quite good, but it is not THAT much better.[/QOUTE]
Again, safari is miles ahead of internet explorer, using NF or opera reduces the margin by a fair margin, but guess what, all the sites that have been "optimized" for the iphone really fit seamlessly with the entire UI, and that is what makes safari a joy to use. Actually if you have an iphone (or can beg, borrow or steal one) try going to web sites like google, yahoo, amazon, facebook and see the difference yourself
[QOUTE]iTunes is too annoying for me - I don't want to synchronize my musics, I just want to copy my mp3 songs. I HATE iTunes and would NEVER buy an iPod unless they change that.[/QOUTE]
with the new itunes and the 2.0.x firmware , you can drag and drop your music into your iphone.
if you don't want to sync your PIM to outlook, you can forgo itunes completely and use a "FREE" winamp plugin"
going a bit off topic i simply HATE active-sync.(i may be a bit biased here as i owned a palm pilot and simply loved the simplicity and stability of Hot-sync
[QOUTE]Then you get a completly locked device, no memory expansion, no SDK, no freeware,...[/QOUTE]
Again, when we got our devices (UNI in our case) did we not have to worry about CID unlock, SIM unlock ???
How is jailbreaking and unlocking the iphone any different than what we did??
As far as an memory expansion slot is concerned, HTC is coming out with more and more devices without expansion slot, so why just blame apple??
[QOUTE]I know - there now is a free SDK, but it is limited (cannot access all funtions) and developers have to pay to publish it, which means there won't be freeware.[/QOUTE]
1)Yes, the SDK is free but is limited
2)Search for open toolchain to know how to get complete access
3)since you don't use iphone/itunes you have NO CLUE about the amount of free ware available through itunes. And did i mention that most of the software on the installer app and CYDIA is FREE.
talking bout "limited access", did the CORE player guys ever get access to the nVidia graphic accelerator in some HTC's??
[QOUTE]All in all, I would say, the iPhone looks good, is a nice gadget and suits a normal user fine.[/QOUTE]
very true
[QOUTE]I however like to have something more powerfull: great screen, keyboard, lots of software and emulators. Hell, on the Universal you can even run DOS![/QOUTE]
1)Uni's screen is CRAP. on a mildly sunny day, at max brightness the screen is completely washed out and unreadable.Yes it does have a VGA screen but the color reproduction, contrast is really really bad.
the iphone's screen on the other hand is FANTASTIC. with the sun beating down hard, the thing is still very readable!!! not to mention the contrast,brightness and colour reproduction is very good.
BTW when will HTC realise that it is time to R.I.P for the 65k screens???
2)leaving the 3g stuff apart, the iphone is way more powerful than are UNI (which is to be expected as the UNI is almost 3 years old)
3)if you can run DOS on the UNI, i can run UNIX bash on the iphone
4)there are loads of free QUALITY softwares and emulators available for the iphone (free and paid)
P.S- i made the switch from my uni to the iphone last year in oct. and have not regretted the decision even once.
heck its been more than 3 months since i last charged my UNI
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Thank you fallenczar for the quality information as you are a previous Uni owner, thus you can create a relation between the two and provide a none biased opinion.
Thank you!
serjay said:
Thank you fallenczar for the quality information as you are a previous Uni owner, thus you can create a relation between the two and provide a none biased opinion.
Thank you!
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not a problem at all.
however bear in mind that your choice should be decided on what you intend to do with your phone.
if you REPLY to lot of emails/ need PUSH-email/edit documents / then stay away from the iphone.
if on the otherhand , you only read emails (or only occasionally reply) and want a good, simple and stable phone with excellent multimedia functions, go for the iphone.
on a side note, i felt that my UNI was never a good "phone", i always had problems with signal strength, people complained that my voice was to 'muffled' or choppy.
after switching over to the iphone, i have not experienced these problems, now it very well may be that my cell service provider has upgraded there equipment or installed a new tower in my vicinity, but i have reason to think otherwise
Never get rid of my Uni
Yes, I'll never get rid of it! It's a great device!
I laugh at those who carry around their laptops and cellphones. I have it in my pocket... Running WM, linux or Dos - trying to run Android, what would you want more...
hey guys just got my iPhone...
Would like to point out that so far I'm not impressed but I am loving the fast internet speeds. YouTube quality is absolutely horible; I am very disapointed with its quality very choppy but is still watchable.
I'm enjoying the fact that I can post using my phone, hoever entering text is very difficult and uncomfortable but I'm sure I can get used to it.
I will try to compare it to the Uni and report back
serjay said:
hey guys just got my iPhone...
Would like to point out that so far I'm not impressed but I am loving the fast internet speeds. YouTube quality is absolutely horible; I am very disapointed with its quality very choppy but is still watchable.
I'm enjoying the fact that I can post using my phone, hoever entering text is very difficult and uncomfortable but I'm sure I can get used to it.
I will try to compare it to the Uni and report back
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choppy video...
how fast is your internet speed???
Sorry I haven't been home enough to make a comparison to my Uni...
What I found out is that the streaming video quality of the iPhone is as much pixelsted as on any other device, so I take back what I said above.
The 3G speeds are well beyond what I expected and a significantly faster than on my Uni.
I am very pleased with it right now and I can't wait to jailbreak it. I wish we had a section for the iPhone on this forum...
I'm posting using the iPhone, and the texting i'm getting used to so no issues with that!
Overall very pleased!
P.S. I've yet to try out the games..
I am the proud owner of a HTC touch HD phone, and a very happy owner too. I got it just before Christmas, and it is currently running on Duttys rom, 2.6. All in all my best phone so far.
As many, I have always looked upon the iPhone as one of the absolute best phones ever made, in my opinion it more or less revolutionized how we look upon a phone’s capabilities. However, since I have never had an iPhone, I found it hard to argument for or against it. Therefore I have bought one (used), which will arrive by mail within the next few days. When I get it, I will use it for a month and keep posting here how it goes and how it performs compared to the touch HD. Why do I do this? Because I’m curious, and because I want to see what all the hype is about, and most of all, i hate the fact that everyone is *****ing about which product is the best, but only a few has actually had and used the two phones for a longer period of time.
So far I bought the phone (iPhone 3g), and I am waiting for it to arrive. I must say the wait is long I have downloaded iTunes, so all I’m waiting for right now, is the phone itself.
Besides the normal things you do with a phone (calling, sms), I daily use my touch HD for web browsing, email correspondence and video and music. All of which performs perfectly (thank you coreplayer ). So this is what I plan to use the iPhone for, since touch HD is a windows mobile phone, I rely upon activesync to take care of my outlook contacts and calendar notes, we’ll see how well iTunes does this.
I also like the fact that it is so easy to get what you want with windows mobile, mostly through you guys here at xda.
When the phone arrives I’ll post my first experiences.
Update: 15-4-2009
It'll arrive tomorrow. Thanks for all the replys
Update 17-4-2009
First impressions
So i’ve used the phone for all in all 5-6 hours so far, so I can only tell you about my first impressions. I had some problems getting my music from my pc to the phone, it turned out that you have to enable music synchronization in itunes, in order to get anything transferred to the phone. First thing I did was to transfer my music through explorer (drag and drop), more or less the exact same way as with touch hd, this isn’t allowed, so I had to go through itunes, convert all my music, find out how to get it from itunes to the phone, before I could listen to music. In all in all much more difficult than I had believed, but now I know how it works, so hopefully this won’t be an issue in the future. I can see the problem for those who has many more songs than I had on my laptop, it’s takes a long time to convert to the itunes format, so this would be a major drawback. Why can’t I just put my mp3’s directly on the phone?
This being said, I really like the flow on the phone, the framerate compared to touch hd, is better, giving a better feel. However, I’ve been a bit annoyed by the sensitivity of the screen; it probably takes some getting used to.
Finally, when I used the phone this morning in my way to work, I had some issues with the 3G connection. My touch hd has no problems what so ever when I am using to surf and check mails and so on, the iphone used 3G for 3 minutes, and then I found myself browsing using edge, which is in my opinion is not an option. This is something that will be an annoyance if it keeps up (I’m hoping it was a onetime only).
As for the browsing itself, iphone surpasses the touch hd. Opera is simply to slow compared to safari, but if I can’t get a proper connection, there really is no choice.
One thing that really impressed though was the app store. All though you have to put in your credit card information in order to create an account, it is really easy to browse through all the apps, find what you like and install it. And there really are many different and funny apps, which all in all lifts the overall user value.
I’ll return in next week with more views. Thanks for all the responses
04-05-2009
The first many days.
Hey, sorry for the delay. Been busy at work, but finally found some time to write some more. I have had and used the phone for quite some time by now, it performs as expected. All though I begin to see the small bugs, which most people forget to mention when recommending the iphone. I read somewhere that the iPhone simply “just works”. That is not entirely true, yes I have never had a smartphone that performs as well as the iPhone, it has the least amounts of crashes and so on. However, to say that it simply works, is wrong. When I browse the web, safari hangs on every load, so you have to wait for the entire page to load until you start navigating. Furthermore the video player used in safari has a tendency to hang a lot when you are viewing a longer video, and especially if wifi is turned on. But still, the browser is the best mobile browser so far. Opera hangs/stalls/dies a lot too, and of the two browsers, I prefer safari. There’s still a long way to go until web browsing on the mobile is perfect.
The phone itself has rebooted three times, one time in a game and the two other times it just stalled and went black. Odd… Again if I compare to touch hd, it is more or less the same. My touch hd also died a lot of times, and the one thing that annoyed me most on a windows mobile device, is the fact that the memory isn’t flushed correctly. To many times you have to do a hard reboot, in order to get the memory cleared and to get good performance again.
I mentioned the connection problems earlier, or the lack of connection… Well it hasn’t improved, when you are traveling, the phone looses connection so many times it’s a major problem. Sometimes safari stops working when the connection is lost. Damn, that annoys me… So why don’t you just use wifi? Because with wifi turned on, the battery is used up in no time at all. This brings me to the next issue: The battery. I have to charge the phone one time every day, even with wifi turned off. “Then you use the phone a lot” you might say, and the answer would be: “yes I do, but that’s what the iphone is all about…”. If you don’t use the iphone for all the things that are so nice on the phone, why use it at all. I listen to music, surf the web, check emails, and play games on it daily. And this results in a charge a day. So all in all, the battery performance is poor. Furthermore if you are playing a game, and receive a phonecall, the game is shut down, without save, stupid…
This brings me to the app store, this is the one thing that makes me praise the iPhone. Yes we have the same on windows mobile, but not so approachable and comprehensive. Installing a game or a program could be much much easier on winmo. There is only one big flaw in the app store, if you are connected through 3G, there is a max on 10 mb per download. So if you find a game that’s larger than 10 mb, you have to wait to download it. Why??? 10 mb on 3g shouldn’t be a problem… By the way, you gotta love the facebook app… All though you can’t connect a contact to its facebook profile, it’s still a nice app
The GPS is not entirely accurate, but still usable. I won’t say that much about the gps since I don’t use it allot. And google maps is more or less the same as on touch hd.
The last thing: I saw many movies on touch HD. I have ripped many of my dvd’s and converted them to divx. On touch hd you just transfer the movie to the phone and you can see it. On iphone I have to convert it to some stupid format in order to see it. I hate having movies in so many different formats, and hate to rely upon itunes.
I’ll write a new post in the near future, and as for the guy who commented on my description on to much sensitivity: Sorry, but that’s just my experience of the phone
Samoht2003 said:
I am the proud owner of a HTC touch HD phone, and a very happy owner too. I got it just before Christmas, and it is currently running on Duttys rom, 2.6. All in all my best phone so far.
As many, I have always looked upon the iPhone as one of the absolute best phones ever made, in my opinion it more or less revolutionized how we look upon a phone’s capabilities. However, since I have never had an iPhone, I found it hard to argument for or against it. Therefore I have bought one (used), which will arrive by mail within the next few days. When I get it, I will use it for a month and keep posting here how it goes and how it performs compared to the touch HD. Why do I do this? Because I’m curious, and because I want to see what all the hype is about, and most of all, i hate the fact that everyone is *****ing about which product is the best, but only a few has actually had and used the two phones for a longer period of time.
So far I bought the phone (iPhone 3g), and I am waiting for it to arrive. I must say the wait is long I have downloaded iTunes, so all I’m waiting for right now, is the phone itself.
Besides the normal things you do with a phone (calling, sms), I daily use my touch HD for web browsing, email correspondence and video and music. All of which performs perfectly (thank you coreplayer ). So this is what I plan to use the iPhone for, since touch HD is a windows mobile phone, I rely upon activesync to take care of my outlook contacts and calendar notes, we’ll see how well iTunes does this.
I also like the fact that it is so easy to get what you want with windows mobile, mostly through you guys here at xda.
When the phone arrives I’ll post my first experiences.
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Looking forward to hear your experinces
Yep look forward to it!
Not sure it was revolutionary... the LG Prada was a full touch screen phone before the iPhone.. Apple just packaged it well... Steve jobs could box a turd and sell it. pretty much like Apples claim on the mouse! That was actually Xerox's baby!
Looking forward to your experience and an honest review / comparison between the 2!
I actually have both (HTC Touch HD and iPhone 3g), too
Yeah, waiting to see your comments...
We are talking about Apples & Oranges here!!! Arent we?
the real great things on the iphone are aps! they are realy cool, good looking, running smooth... but only one at a time with a verry bad cam and no mms... (yet )
if it had a better cam, MMS (soon) eand a real GPS (and GPS software) i would defintly forget my HD!
way to go pal, will be glad to read your reviews.
bouyaka said:
the real great things on the iphone are aps! they are realy cool, good looking, running smooth... but only one at a time with a verry bad cam and no mms... (yet )
if it had a better cam, MMS (soon) eand a real GPS (and GPS software) i would defintly forget my HD!
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Oh my.
Jesus phone has a lot of shortcomings, but MMS? Who cares? It's the silliest thing since plastic toothpick. Why do you want to pay your operator for this surrogate email?
And do you really consider HD's camera usable?
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We are talking about Apples & Oranges here!!! Arent we?
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Not really.... I'll explain...
I've just sold my iPhone 3G and bought a HD. My reasons were...
1) I get bored and I had the iPhone since last July and fancied a change
2) I wanted expandable memory
3) I think the iPhone is looking dated now. Controversial I'm sure...
4) I now want stereo Bluetooth streaming for a new iO Play car kit I have had fitted
I used to change phones far too often and had 13 in a year once, but the iPhone is the longest serving handset I've had for a while. Despite not being bleeding edge when it comes to the specification, the way you interact with it, the simplicity, the fluidity and the Apple ecosystem all added up to make it a revolutionary phone. There is a reason why every new touch-screen phone is an iPhone killer.
The email client is superb, web browsing superb and media playback superb. And the text inputs auto-correction is very intelligent and doesn't just look out for spelling mistakes, but patterns in typing which it relates to possible words.
The App store is great, but getting full of rubbish making the genuinely useful stuff harder to find. Rumours are there will be a premier store soon. The O2 contracts are great, as the free data and free WiFi access are superbly implemented, switching between seamlessly. And once you've authenticated with the free WiFi once that's all you ever have to do. I could walk into a Starbucks, McDonalds, Costa, Hotel, Airport etc etc and it would connect to the WiFi before I even realised I was in a hotspot.
But it's not the Jesus phone everyone seems to think. And I hate, really, really hate the fan-boy love affair some people have with it... to the point I was embarrassed by it sometimes.
"No, I don't want to talk to you about your iPhone, stranger...."
The limitations in the iPhone are 75% software based, most of which will be corrected in version 3 of the software. Things like additional Bluetooth profiles, landscape text input in all apps, MMS, tethering etc will be welcome additions.
And that's one of the things that bothered me. These are simple things that really should be included as standard.
Things like the poor camera didn't bother me. I mean, Sony Ericsson have been putting rubbish cameras in phones they didn't market as imaging devices for years. If the camera is the main focus, there are much better options (like buying a camera).
The lack of expandable memory is a big deal for a multimedia phone though. I can understand the marketing / product reasons behind it, but even that seems to contradict the 'one device to do everything' approach Apple take with this.
Now to go back to my original point, Apples Vs Oranges, the HD and the iPhone aren't that different. Both have huge strengths, both have huge weaknesses, both have massive amounts in common. The thing that differs between them is down to the person buying it. What do you want from a phone....?
Out of the box usability and slickness? iPhone.
Endless tinkering, customisation and free reign of what you do with your phone? Touch HD
But both have the capability of matching the other in every single aspect. There is pretty much nothing that you can do with one that you can't with the other. Exactly the same can be said for Windows PC operating systems Vs Apple Mac OS X. Funnily enough, most of what I have said above can be applied in some way to that argument too.
So, the other downsides to the iPhone.... (some of this is entirely personal opinion).
Text input needs work in it's current form. The keys are just too small. This is made up by the excellent auto-correction, but it's still poor. And you can't add in new keyboards without jailbreaking, which brings me to..
Restrictive approach to third party applications. Apples closed-door approach has no benefits. I originally thought it would be good as it would ensure reliability and stability, but there are some terribly shaky applications in the App Store. I see no benefit in this for consumers and the only way around involves invalidating your warranty.
Hardware restrictions - No expandable memory, as above. Screen size Vs chassis size and screen resolution are falling behind the competition. Poor build quality is another factor that's not uncommon either.
If you are the kind of person who enjoys Windows Mobile, I predict you will get frustrated with the iPhones shortfalls and will be jailbreaking it within a day.
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Not really.... I'll explain...
I've just sold my iPhone 3G and bought a HD. My reasons were...
1) I get bored and I had the iPhone since last July and fancied a change
2) I wanted expandable memory
3) I think the iPhone is looking dated now. Controversial I'm sure...
4) I now want stereo Bluetooth streaming for a new iO Play car kit I have had fitted
I used to change phones far too often and had 13 in a year once, but the iPhone is the longest serving handset I've had for a while. Despite not being bleeding edge when it comes to the specification, the way you interact with it, the simplicity, the fluidity and the Apple ecosystem all added up to make it a revolutionary phone. There is a reason why every new touch-screen phone is an iPhone killer.
The email client is superb, web browsing superb and media playback superb. And the text inputs auto-correction is very intelligent and doesn't just look out for spelling mistakes, but patterns in typing which it relates to possible words.
The App store is great, but getting full of rubbish making the genuinely useful stuff harder to find. Rumours are there will be a premier store soon. The O2 contracts are great, as the free data and free WiFi access are superbly implemented, switching between seamlessly. And once you've authenticated with the free WiFi once that's all you ever have to do. I could walk into a Starbucks, McDonalds, Costa, Hotel, Airport etc etc and it would connect to the WiFi before I even realised I was in a hotspot.
But it's not the Jesus phone everyone seems to think. And I hate, really, really hate the fan-boy love affair some people have with it... to the point I was embarrassed by it sometimes.
"No, I don't want to talk to you about your iPhone, stranger...."
The limitations in the iPhone are 75% software based, most of which will be corrected in version 3 of the software. Things like additional Bluetooth profiles, landscape text input in all apps, MMS, tethering etc will be welcome additions.
And that's one of the things that bothered me. These are simple things that really should be included as standard.
Things like the poor camera didn't bother me. I mean, Sony Ericsson have been putting rubbish cameras in phones they didn't market as imaging devices for years. If the camera is the main focus, there are much better options (like buying a camera).
The lack of expandable memory is a big deal for a multimedia phone though. I can understand the marketing / product reasons behind it, but even that seems to contradict the 'one device to do everything' approach Apple take with this.
Now to go back to my original point, Apples Vs Oranges, the HD and the iPhone aren't that different. Both have huge strengths, both have huge weaknesses, both have massive amounts in common. The thing that differs between them is down to the person buying it. What do you want from a phone....?
Out of the box usability and slickness? iPhone.
Endless tinkering, customisation and free reign of what you do with your phone? Touch HD
But both have the capability of matching the other in every single aspect. There is pretty much nothing that you can do with one that you can't with the other. Exactly the same can be said for Windows PC operating systems Vs Apple Mac OS X. Funnily enough, most of what I have said above can be applied in some way to that argument too.
So, the other downsides to the iPhone.... (some of this is entirely personal opinion).
Text input needs work in it's current form. The keys are just too small. This is made up by the excellent auto-correction, but it's still poor. And you can't add in new keyboards without jailbreaking, which brings me to..
Restrictive approach to third party applications. Apples closed-door approach has no benefits. I originally thought it would be good as it would ensure reliability and stability, but there are some terribly shaky applications in the App Store. I see no benefit in this for consumers and the only way around involves invalidating your warranty.
Hardware restrictions - No expandable memory, as above. Screen size Vs chassis size and screen resolution are falling behind the competition. Poor build quality is another factor that's not uncommon either.
If you are the kind of person who enjoys Windows Mobile, I predict you will get frustrated with the iPhones shortfalls and will be jailbreaking it within a day.
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What I meant by that is the fact the HD is highly customizable to the bones, heck you can even run an Android OS on it. Iphone is a very closed OS with very little tweaks allowed by Apple ( Not talking about Jailbreaking) From the usability to the screen to the memory to the GPS vs A-GPS.. from the camera to almost everything in both phones are different. I consider the Iphone a weekend phone While the HD is a very business oriented phone that gets the job done and good.
Not sure If I can really say they are very similar. Just my 2 cents
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What I meant by that is the fact the HD is highly customizable to the bones, heck you can even run an Android OS on it. Iphone is a very closed OS with very little tweaks allowed by Apple ( Not talking about Jailbreaking) From the usability to the screen to the memory to the GPS vs A-GPS.. from the camera to almost everything in both phones are different. I consider the Iphone a weekend phone While the HD is a very business oriented phone that gets the job done and good.
Not sure If I can really say they are very similar. Just my 2 cents
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That's fair enough. But when you sit the two side-by-side and ask them to do the same task, there isn't much difference. If you think about what you do with your phone, I'd bet the HD does things in a very similar way to the iPhone. There are only so many ways to construct a text message, make a call or browse the internet on a touch screen mobile
The one big thing I didn't mention that you have just reminded me of, is the touch screen. The capacitive screen on the iPhone is much more responsive in use.
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That's fair enough. But when you sit the two side-by-side and ask them to do the same task, there isn't much difference. If you think about what you do with your phone, I'd bet the HD does things in a very similar way to the iPhone. There are only so many ways to construct a text message, make a call or browse the internet on a touch screen mobile
The one big thing I didn't mention that you have just reminded me of, is the touch screen. The capacitive screen on the iPhone is much more responsive in use.
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Yup. WVGA on HD and VGA on Iphone ( Not sure if its even VGA)
pretty much it boils down to what you do with it. I have both devices. I use the HD and the iphone sits on the desk. I am an admin at my company and we are windows based the windows mobile device it the best phone for us. While I like the Iphone it is not praticle for me to use. I hav not found any thing that I do on the iphone that I gave not been able to find an app that works on the hd doing the same or better. I really like being able to change the rom on my phone and customise it. Can't really do that with the iphone. And I think the display on the HD is much better.
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Yup. WVGA on HD and VGA on Iphone ( Not sure if its even VGA)
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Capacitive Vs Resistive is a bigger aspect than the resolution which, I agree, the iPhone falls short of. It is HVGA (320x480).
You have to be crazy to think that the iphone hasnt changed the mobile industry. It is an amazingly capable, intuitive and beautiful device to boot compared to these piece of lard htc OS's (the stock ones).
I owned about 15 HTC/Winmo devices starting with the SPV c500 and culminating in the Diamond as soon as it came out and got an iphone 3g at around the same time. None of the roms could come close to the intrinsic slickness, speed and support for the iphone, I jailbroke it, and was blown away and it became my primary device. However the iphone is currently mediacentric and not a buisness/professional phone and I needed an OQO UMPC to carry around as well but it doesnt claim to be anything else in fairness.
I have been quite impressed by the cooked Win 6.5 roms and skyfire recently though, and I am going to buy the HTC Touch Pro2 when it comes out as I need to use programs like word with a built in keyboard and tv out facility and perhaps retire my UMPC/laptops. This forum is also a great feature in choosing a HTC phone for customisation.
And for people who say the iphone doesnt have microsd, poor camera etc... How many crippled HTC devices have we seen? The iphone has been in a class of its own untill recent catch up devices.
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And for people who say the iphone doesnt have microsd, poor camera etc... How many crippled HTC devices have we seen? The iphone has been in a class of its own untill recent catch up devices.
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Expandability is (in my opinion) essential for any electronic devices. I have an 8GB card in my HD now, and I plan on upgrading to a 32GB soon by simply inserting a memory card. iPhone...can't do that. You have to buy a new phone to do so. I also have a spare battery which I can swap out when I am on the road and can't charge my phone...like camping perhaps. Iphone...can't. I like to copy and paste text from one program to another (multitasking). iPhone...can't. The HD 5MP camera takes great pictures which can be geo tagged with great accuracy. iPhone (until v2.0 comes out)...can't. Sure, there are some HD's out there that are crippled or bricked. Why? Because people that have the mental capacity to appreciate a multitasking device/computer actually like to open the hood and tweak it. Sure, iPhone apps may seem to run smoother. But that's because of the lack of multitasking! My HD (or any other Windows Mobile device) runs processes and applications in the background so you can do more and be more productive.
Honestly, do a side by side comparison of the HD and the iPhone. And I am not talking software, I mean hardware. We can debate applications all day, but it's the hardware that defines the capabilities. If you want a list of HD hardware features then I will post them for you.
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DerrickD2,
You have misunderstood the thrust of my post, that the iphone was/is a trailblazing and revolutionary device in the mobile sector. It seems anywhere bar this 'nerdy spec-hugging' forum that its not too hard to accept. The Touch HD is a better device in my opinion too as like I already stated, other companies have played catch up. There is no need to tell me its hardware specs.
But to pick up on a few points:
* Upgradeable SD is important, it annoys me to only have 16gb but I can stream content off free iphone optimised filestores available, some providing 10gb a go. Not ideal but workable.
* Spare battery, well the iphones battery is pretty decent and lasts for many years. If you want to keep the battery charged you can do it on the fly by adding these 'double your battery' packs and their ilk/cases when you are running low and you dont even 'have to swap the battery':
http://us.kensington.com/html/15462.html
* You can cut and paste text in jailbroken phones within the app. You can mulitask too, to an extent on JB phones although I dont know if it's sytemwide cut and paste (prob. not)
* Megapixels aren't everything on a camera. Its about the lens too. The 2MP camera of the iphone image quality is known to be quite decent, better than most 3.2MP HTC offerings but I agree it should have a better camera.
* Like I said the iphone isn't productivity centred and its probably why they dont consider multitasking a crucial feature but from what I understand its processor is faster than any HTC phone. Jailbroken iphones can run background apps too but obviously native apps dont support this.
We can debate applications all day, but it's the hardware that defines the capabilities.
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This is so contentious! Hardware can define the capabilites and software/OS/User experience can define the capabilties! It depends on what the consumer needs. Horses for course's!
Well got my Hero today on t-mobile and all i can say is this is by far and away the bet phone i have ever used it dose what it say on the tin. It is sexy looking phone easy to use and fat to boot. God it this was a woman id never get out of the sack lol .
All i have to add is if you not got a Hero you need to get on NOW not tommorow NOW, apple should expect to kiss the ass good bye HERO and ANDROID a marrige made in heaven
I had one and did not feel at all like that. Bored in 2 days. The phone was sent back on the third.
Certainly a nice piece of tech but nothing special.
Its nice to read that you like the handset, its not everybody's cup of tea.
I also find Android a joy to use, but I think the phone could of been better. What I miss from the Diamond is a timeout on the display so it reverts back to the today screen (home). Hopefully 2.0 will be out soon with even mor improvements
Android can only get better and were definitely going to see improvements, I prefer it over WM 6.1 and the lipstick on a pig WM 6.5.
What would have been great is if HTC had used a better processor, I mean they have been using the same/similar one for ages, however it seems Android isn't as resource hungry as WM and the processor is working fine, so no problem there really.
When HTC bring out an android phone with either Tegra or Snapdragon and good camera with flash, I will literally empty my wallet for that.
If it was the phone we had all been waiting for it would hardly have a weak processor (HTC, why do you consistently make stupid design choices) and an absysmal camera that can't even manage half decent video recording, would it? In this day and age HTC REALLY need to get their act togather to encourage anything but fanboys to buy their hardware or defekt from other brands. They have great software but the hardware just isnä't up to scratch, and that is a critical failure. I'll be waiting for the next revision methinks...
I had the G1 so i was use to android system. I love the hero given i have only had it for 5 days atm but liking every moment.
I prefer android over WM anyday of the week. I used WM on my omnia and found it poor, laggy and just not a good experience. (even though it did have its moments)
I feel the market place is probably a defining factor in my decision on android. The market place is a great part of the system, similar to the appstore for iphone.
It was either the android phone or iphone. I chose the android because it has the ability to run apps in the background which i find a great advantage over the iphone among other things.
And the Android system can only get better.
Is it just my handset, but the "People" app really lags badly, which is quite a concern given it's perhaps one of the most important aspects of the phone. (My contacts are Google-synced and have Facebook-applied profile pics, but even so...)
My phone handles 'people' fine. No lag
You might have a number off apps running an taking up memory. Try holding home key for about 3seconds.
Maybe you should download a task manager program off market place see if that can improve anything?
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My phone handles 'people' fine. No lag
You might have a number off apps running an taking up memory. Try holding home key for about 3seconds.
Maybe you should download a task manager program off market place see if that can improve anything?
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Holding home key shows recently used applications, not the running applications.
btw, my "people" works fine
my bad.
So a task manager is the answer then.
OK can I ask a couple of questions to you who people who are saying People works fine:
1) Are you using Google-synced contacts?
2) Do you have Facebook integration for these contacts enabled, including getting their picture from Facebook?
(I'm just trying to isolate the source of this issue...)
Also, when I talk of lagging, I mean that the scrolling is very far from smooth...
I use only google synced contacts (no sim or phone contacts) and am linked to facebook.
Scrolling works fine.
Dare I say almost perfect.
I have about 180 contacts synced from google.
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OK can I ask a couple of questions to you who people who are saying People works fine:
1) Are you using Google-synced contacts?
2) Do you have Facebook integration for these contacts enabled, including getting their picture from Facebook?
(I'm just trying to isolate the source of this issue...)
Also, when I talk of lagging, I mean that the scrolling is very far from smooth...
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Same here... Google, Facebook & Twitter are sync'd for me and the scrolling from time to time is bad. ALmost every time I check the weather the animation is choppy! What is causing this? As the video from HTC shows smooth & flawless!
It probably is what i've been waiting for. Ok, its not as fast or fluid than the iphone which most use as a bench mark, but its more intresting to use. I've had an iphone 3g and 3gs and got a bit bored of them and sold on. Sure they are great, but the lack of customisation makes some people like me lose intrest. With the Hero that is not a problem.
With all the other Android phones coming out this and next year, just think how good the marketplace will be too.
These days, I've seen way too many threads like "Goodbye HD2, hello Iphone", "Htc Hd2 bye bye" or "Wtf with this phone". I cant stand it. So I want to have a praise thread for our HD2, our beloved and best one, also want to share my opinions on the HD2 and Winmo generally for everyone to see and think.
Here are some type of opinions quite popular these days:
"Windows mobile 6.5 is a dead os for lack of a better term and also know that the development for apps for it is going to taper and die off at some point"
"HD2 is too buggy, laggy, errors"
"Winmo is a waste for HD2"
"Where are the games and apps?"
"Not work out of the box?"
To answer, first of all, I dont care about apps that Iphone or Android has.
I dont play games much now so that's a second point. Although they do have some very interesting like Tunewiki or Layar, that's the only thing I miss from my old 3GS and Hero. And if u paid so many money for games on iphone, why dont paid a 5 Euro more for Fpsece, to have the best experience about PS1 games on a mobile device so far.
Secondly, about basic apps, Winmo wins.
For videos: I dont have to spend hours to find a good convert program and hours to config and wait for the converted file to transfer to my phone, Coreplayer and TCPMP serve them right.
For ebooks: the most popular format is prc, Mobipocket reader wins again, I dont have to convert either.
For office: what can win over office mobile, please show me, I have no idea about this.
And u know what, Winmo has these basic things and apps for free!!!
Third, the true multitask:
Winmo has been a winner since the start. I agree that Iphone can be jailbreak then install e.g Proswitcher, but that's not so convenient like Winmo. The basic thing about Android is it never really closes an app, keeping it running in the background for quick response, but that only makes Android become slower and laggy just like Winmo. But for convenient, and with a power specs like HD2, it's so great in terms of multitask for me.
Fourth, the screen:
HD2 has a great and super beautiful 4.3 inch screen. I can never go back to a 3.2 (Hero) or 3.5(Iphone) now, I will consider for a 3.7 one. Watching photos, videos, viewing documents, surfing. It's superb with HD2. And please dont expect a device with great screen like that to have a good battery life. More than a day with normal usage is so enough. I got 1.5 days or even more than 2 days with my HD2.
Fifth, and the best one imo, CUSTOMIZATIONS
Winmo is the best world for customizations, for devs and chefs. It got history, and it's truly popular, right? I love to tweak my phone, customize it the way I one, change every weeks or even every days, so I cannot get bored with it. And look at this forum, so many manila mods have been built and definitely going on and on. From maxmanilla, cookie home tabs, GTX, all are wonderful and amazing. I cant thank them and all the chefs here enough.
Now, look at Iphone, what can u do with this easy to get bored home screen, except for changing icons?
And even android, it's not easy to customize it without rooting. And things to customize so far? Not much, I see.
For all that has errors, bugs, laggy, I think it's just u to make the phone like that, not the phone itself (if it's not a defective one). Too many report shows the phone works out of the box, count me in for that. I went with stock rom for a month at first with nothing went wrong.
Winmo to me is never a dead OS like it seems now. It's still growing strong in the world thanks to xda, yes, xda is the one that makes it strong, imo. We love to tweak, we love to customize, we love to share our knowledge and stuffs, so we are here. If u just dont feel like to tweak, u better not be here, xda is not some place where u can just complain and complain everyday for ur own faults.
Finally, HD2 is not a waste to me to run Winmo, it's best with Winmo.
Whew, my longest post so far. Guys, dont leave me alone, come and praise our HD2, I know u will.
List the best things u ever had with HD2 and show the world
P.S: it's just my opinion, but we all have private and personal purposes for using mobile in our life, so that we have personal choices on mobile, so please dont flame on me so hard, haha
1. big screen - can see web pages better than my x1a 3" screen
2. software options (still compatible with the software i use on my old phone) tomtom 7 - no need to have a data connection to use gps, slick im - use this when im on the move, option of using several different types of web browsers (ie, opera, opera mini, skyfire)
3. phone is unlocked and can use it as a prepaid phone.
Exactly mate, should have mentioned the chasing game between apple and devs, it's really annoying sometimes. And the price for an unlock iphone is really ridiculous.
You know, I have both the Nexus one and HD2, but I am really thinking of selling my HD2. I love all the things you have mentioned, but texting is kind of a big deal to me. With an HD2, the keyboard so choppy, no matter the rom I try. If I can somehow fix it, bye bye nexus. If not, well...
Just thinking would there be a phone that has a screen larger than 4.3" in the future or this is the biggest already? By the way 4.3" wide is a common size for GPS device.
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Just thinking would there be a phone that has a screen larger than 4.3" in the future or this is the biggest already? By the way 4.3" wide is a common size for GPS device.
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The athena had a 5inch screen.... but you couldn't use it as a regular handset. You needed to use either bluetooth headsets or speakerphone. It was a cool phone, though.
You guys covered it
I agree with everything you guys said, except texting prob, I use swype, love it!! By far best phone I've ever had!! Just added, msvc, love it, just made perfect, better!!
My main reason for choosing HD2 over iphone or android devices is privacy!
I don't have to have apple and google knowing everything about me!
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exactly my thoughts.
I love it because the great hardware I saw this as a newstep after the qualcomm 528 mhz. Wich was used for 3 or more years. This was a newstep for 2 years this will be a fast phone. And the freedom of windows mobile is also great.
Simply the best phone I ever had! Does everything I need and more!
I love my HD2 because it's big, it's strong, it's fast and give me the possibility to customize everything like I want.
I love my HD2 even because makes me different from all the mass of sheeps that walk around with an Iphone and use their phono to simulate a beer drinking and s**t like this.
Having an HD2, like my good old HTC Topaz, makes me feel different and like a pro.
I have always been a win mobile user. love the ability to anything! can send files bluetooth, COMPLETELY change the theme of the phone, and modify the software ANY way you see fit. suck on that iphone.
The only thing I would change would be camera hardware button
They say the HD2 will be the last in windows mobile 6.5. what a way to go out with a bang!!!
windows mobile+huge screen+fast processor= one sick device
I could probably be classified as a (very) dull business user and I have never before cared over what device was put into my hands..
I have used SE, Nokia, HTC, you name it, and even a iPhone for a while, and all worked okay and I did type an occasional e-mail on them but in reality they all fell short, some with clunky e-mail integration other with unsuitable screens for reading long texts.
With the HD2 I have hit "home", I have become truly freed from my office - I can access and work with my e-mails, read trough and review extensive attachment, surf the web, get online with my laptop without hassle trough the WiFi router. First phone I ever used that work seamless with bluetooth both in the car and with headsets.
It's a serious device and not a toy with downloaded flashlight applications.
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You know, I have both the Nexus one and HD2, but I am really thinking of selling my HD2. I love all the things you have mentioned, but texting is kind of a big deal to me. With an HD2, the keyboard so choppy, no matter the rom I try. If I can somehow fix it, bye bye nexus. If not, well...
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Ah well, I agree that this is a let down thing at first, but after few months usage, I'm quite amazed at my typing speed right now
Did u try fingerkeyboard or swype?
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I can access and work with my e-mails, read trough and review extensive attachment, get online with my laptop without hassle trough the WiFi router.
It's a serious device and not a toy with downloaded flashlight applications.
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These are the things that I never bother or want to do with my old 3GS and Hero
Hi,
I like:
1) Screen (come on 4.3 inch MAMA MYA that’s nice step for mobile phones. I will never buy IPhone 4G if it’s less than 4.3 inch screen)
2) Design (Very slim very sexy)
3) Speed (yeah it’s really speedy)
4) Freedom (WOW the best thing. No more F jailbreak)
I don't like:
1) SMS messaging interface (Please anyone know other messaging interfaces? or at least to tell me how to disable the loading of messages as once. I rather like IPhone messaging where it loads small amount of sms in the chat area and load more history sms on request if needed)
2) Battery life (To bad to be in such great device)
zoombay78 said:
Hi,
I like:
1) Screen (come on 4.3 inch MAMA MYA that’s nice step for mobile phones. I will never buy IPhone 4G if it’s less than 4.3 inch screen)
2) Design (Very slim very sexy)
3) Speed (yeah it’s really speedy)
4) Freedom (WOW the best thing. No more F jailbreak)
I don't like:
1) SMS messaging interface (Please anyone know other messaging interfaces? or at least to tell me how to disable the loading of messages as once. I rather like IPhone messaging where it loads small amount of sms in the chat area and load more history sms on request if needed)
2) Battery life (To bad to be in such great device)
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I always have over 400 sms in my inbox, and it loads quite quickly, I think. No problem for me. Why dont u try the old style thread messaging from Energy rom or some other roms?
Thank you for starting this post. I was reluctant to upgrade from my Touch Pro to the HD2 for the lack of a hardware keyboard, which I used constantly. The big, beautiful screen won me over and I'm happy to report that I'm typing as fast as ever now that I'm used to my HD2.
I love the huge screen, HTC Sense (Thanks to Cookie and averyone else, not enough room in this thread), one touch dialing, programs etc, etc.
Every, and I mean EVERY challenge that I had with my phone when I first bought it has been solved by using these forums.
Every, and I mean EVERY modification that I could have dreamed of has been supplied by using these forums.
This has been the case since I started using WinMo and with every device I've owned.
These sour grapes posts by individuals who refuse to take the time to use this fine provision in order to make full use of their HD2 are a slap in the face to the hardworking developers who have brought countless hours of joy to the rest of us who deeply appreciate their work.
To the developers and contributors of this forum: I salute you.
To the individuals who are posting their "Bye, Bye" threads. Please leave quietly, and don't let the door hit you in the iphone.
Oh finally some positive thread for HD2.
So what i love about my HD2.
Speed - lighting fast
Customization - Thanks Winmo 6.5
Usefull Programs - Programs that really matters. Like Resco explorer and image viewer, FPSEce,iGO with multitouch and compass
BIG screen - The Biggest!
Open platform (flashing ROMs) - Can be really fun
Loud speakers - Well maybe too much =)
Capacitive screen with multitouch - Say yes to best gaming experience
How the phone feels in pocket (comfortable) - You dont even know it's in your pocket
But there are few bad things =(
Development - The newest games looks like ripped of java with touch support
Really old core of OS - Winmo 6.5 is quite ugly too
Reset button under Battery cover - lol at this one
KowboyBebop said:
Oh finally some positive thread for HD2.
So what i love about my HD2.
Speed - lighting fast
Customization - Thanks Winmo 6.5
Usefull Programs - Programs that really matters. Like Resco explorer and image viewer, FPSEce,iGO with multitouch and compass
BIG screen - The Biggest!
Open platform (flashing ROMs) - Can be really fun
Loud speakers - Well maybe too much =)
Capacitive screen with multitouch - Say yes to best gaming experience
How the phone feels in pocket (comfortable) - You dont even know it's in your pocket
But there are few bad things =(
Development - The newest games looks like ripped of java with touch support
Really old core of OS - Winmo 6.5 is quite ugly too
Reset button under Battery cover - lol at this one
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Thanks for support at fpsece, KB
About reset button, why dont u try to install the Long Press End Key Reset? That saves me a lot from opening the battery cover
Guys, I'm absolutely TORN between these two, and am leaning toward the HD2 a lot (because of how comfortable customizing Windows Mobile is) but can someone tell me why the HD2 is a better buy than the Nexus One? I'm just looking for some reassurance as to how the HD2 is better (apart from the screen size).
i have the hd2 and is a powerfull device the only thing is it have WM if i were you ill buy the nexus or you have a better option the evo 4g
Your decision
Andriod is great, for some people, wm is great for some, I love hd2, but personal choice,. Thats why so many different phones to choose from, lots of different personal choices,,,Quig
brekem said:
i have the hd2 and is a powerfull device the only thing is it have WM if i were you ill buy the nexus or you have a better option the evo 4g
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The EVO 4G is a CDMA device and I use a GSM network. How is the Nexus One better than the HD2?
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Andriod is great, for some people, wm is great for some, I love hd2, but personal choice,. Thats why so many different phones to choose from, lots of different personal choices,,,Quig
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Doesn't the HD2 have a lot of problems? I read this post of a guy with an HD2 and he said he has a new problem with it every day lol is that true?
well i cant tell you if it but i comming from a g1 i prefferd android over WM
Why not check the HTC Droid Incredible if android is a option
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQOsgZFBUGY
i , myself use a HD2 and i love it.
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Doesn't the HD2 have a lot of problems? I read this post of a guy with an HD2 and he said he has a new problem with it every day lol is that true?
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I saw that too. TBH i think that was a very large case of user incompetence. I've had my HD2 about 6 weeks now and i've not had any problems with it that weren't my fault to begin with except for the sms sound notification issue and the slow HTC messaging application issue but these are problems almost everyone is having and the second one isn't so bad if you don't have text mainiacs for friends or want to flash a custom rom that use's the outlook style WM default.
I love my windows mobile device for the simple things. Things like direct push of my email from my exchange server and the familiar UI. As a linux fan i was very excited when android was first annouced but after using a G1 in the local tmobile store i changed my mind a little. I haven't used android since so i have no idea if it's grown up any.
Nexus One uses a crappy pentile AMOLED screen.
Until today, I have not had a single lock-up, freeze, etc and what have you with my HD2. I think it all boils down to how versed you are with Windows Mobile. I however, did (without much thinking), double clicked on the SimLock.exe program to see what would happen. Naturally, this pained me for 60 seconds since I couldn't minimize the program. I had to hit the home key (brings it up for .5 second before the sim lock program comes up again) and quickly swipe my way to the soft reset button (had to do this 8 times while starting up every other program because it was a fleeting image. It was funny.
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I saw that too. TBH i think that was a very large case of user incompetence. I've had my HD2 about 6 weeks now and i've not had any problems with it that weren't my fault to begin with except for the sms sound notification issue and the slow HTC messaging application issue but these are problems almost everyone is having and the second one isn't so bad if you don't have text mainiacs for friends or want to flash a custom rom that use's the outlook style WM default.
I love my windows mobile device for the simple things. Things like direct push of my email from my exchange server and the familiar UI. As a linux fan i was very excited when android was first annouced but after using a G1 in the local tmobile store i changed my mind a little. I haven't used android since so i have no idea if it's grown up any.
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What about the SMS sound and HTC messaging issue?
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Nexus One uses a crappy pentile AMOLED screen.
Until today, I have not had a single lock-up, freeze, etc and what have you with my HD2. I think it all boils down to how versed you are with Windows Mobile. I however, did (without much thinking), double clicked on the SimLock.exe program to see what would happen. Naturally, this pained me for 60 seconds since I couldn't minimize the program. I had to hit the home key (brings it up for .5 second before the sim lock program comes up again) and quickly swipe my way to the soft reset button (had to do this 8 times while starting up every other program because it was a fleeting image. It was funny.
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Yeah it's things like that that make me think a WM device has a sort of soul, it always needs your attention, like Windows does. I used to have an iPAQ h4150 that ran WM2003 and I loved the apps and the gaming and file management capabilites. I also loved how everything was so familiar and easy to use. It's just that with the flick and swipe culture being so rampant everywhere and combining this with Android's open nature, just makes me think that WM 6.5 won't be as worthwhile. and lol why didn't you just pop the battery door off and reset?
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What about the SMS sound and HTC messaging issue?
Yeah it's things like that that make me think a WM device has a sort of soul, it always needs your attention, like Windows does. I used to have an iPAQ h4150 that ran WM2003 and I loved the apps and the gaming and file management capabilites. I also loved how everything was so familiar and easy to use. It's just that with the flick and swipe culture being so rampant everywhere and combining this with Android's open nature, just makes me think that WM 6.5 won't be as worthwhile. and lol why didn't you just pop the battery door off and reset?
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Firstly, that was not challenging. Easy way out.
Anyhow, hope you make a decision. WM 6.5 will be around for at least a year more after WP7 releases (so roughly 2 years or close to it if you get it now). By then, when you've used the HD2 as the last great Windows Mobile device, you can switch to the Hd4 which probably has 800mhz quadcore chips or something with 5000mAH batteries the size of a nickel or something. Who the heck knows what will happen in 2 years. A lot of emerging battery tech is arriving, and I hope it reaches the mobile scene soon since battery life as it is is sagging behind by a decade or more now.
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What about the SMS sound and HTC messaging issue?
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On occasion and at random the phone will not play the sms notification sound if the device is in standby but as soon as you hit any button to bring the device out of standby mode it pings you. The way i get around it is to enable a registry tweak which makes the green led at the top of the device blink when a message comes in.
The messaging app itself is just plain slow. If you have a contact with more than a few messages associated with them it can take up to 30 seconds to load them all. There is also a small delay when you hit the text input to start typing new sms messages. It is very much down to poor coding imho and although there are a couple of cabs out there to are supposed to fix this they appear to be a bit hit and miss. It doesn't really bug me that much, i think it as sort of a quirk and if you text while watching TV or doing other things then you don't really notice it.
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On occasion and at random the phone will not play the sms notification sound if the device is in standby but as soon as you hit any button to bring the device out of standby mode it pings you. The way i get around it is to enable a registry tweak which makes the green led at the top of the device blink when a message comes in.
The messaging app itself is just plain slow. If you have a contact with more than a few messages associated with them it can take up to 30 seconds to load them all. There is also a small delay when you hit the text input to start typing new sms messages. It is very much down to poor coding imho and although there are a couple of cabs out there to are supposed to fix this they appear to be a bit hit and miss. It doesn't really bug me that much, i think it as sort of a quirk and if you text while watching TV or doing other things then you don't really notice it.
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Darn I usually leave my phone somewhere on my bed or couch and I wouldn't see a blinking LED, usually I depend on the sound.
And 30 seconds? That's a lot of time, even my current Symbian smartphone doesn't take that long.
Do you think that, at this point, with WP7 and Android Gingerbread coming out in the end of the year, it would be better for me to skip out on a smartphone?
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Darn I usually leave my phone somewhere on my bed or couch and I wouldn't see a blinking LED, usually I depend on the sound.
And 30 seconds? That's a lot of time, even my current Symbian smartphone doesn't take that long.
Do you think that, at this point, with WP7 and Android Gingerbread coming out in the end of the year, it would be better for me to skip out on a smartphone?
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Like I said, if you wait, you'll have a dual-core snapdragon next year. Of course, even after WP7 comes out, it'll take about 2 ~ 3 years before it even reaches the maturity of what Windows Mobile is today.
So I'm supposed to wait huh?
Darn, I guess I'll never see HTC/Microsoft's last hurrah with Windows Mobile 6.5. I think it's okay though, I might as well get a decent notebook that'll last me a couple of years so that I don't ask as much from a smartphone as I was asking from Windows Mobile and the HD2.
I dare say there will be a call for downgrading devices from wp7 to wm6.5, a lot of people will be unhappy with the reduced functionality and lack of customisability.
hackm0d said:
So I'm supposed to wait huh?
Darn, I guess I'll never see HTC/Microsoft's last hurrah with Windows Mobile 6.5. I think it's okay though, I might as well get a decent notebook that'll last me a couple of years so that I don't ask as much from a smartphone as I was asking from Windows Mobile and the HD2.
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I would never have got my Leo if it wasn't for O2-UK's inability to understand terms like redundancy and co-location and finally, an enthusiastic builder with a shovel but it is seriously the best phone (well it's not really a phone more a personal communications device) i have ever had. Yeah it's got it's problems but they are all HTC's fault for not sticking with the stock interface throughout and instead thinking they can do better.
If i was you (and 6 weeks ago i sorta was) i would go for the HD2 and i would make the same choice everytime of offering.
A friend of mine got the EVO on release day, and I've spent some time messing with it. Suprisingly, with Sense running on both, the core experience between the two is very similar. At the end of the day, I'd go for the EVO over the HD2 for the availability of apps, and what feels like a better touchscreen, but I don't feel the HD2 is as inferior to the EVO as I thought I would.
Between the HD2 and the Nexus one, I'd go for the HD2 because of the bigger screen, and generally better hardware. I'm an old iPhone user, so the hype of apps wore off for me a long time ago....if Apps are important to you, then definitely get the Nexus One, otherwise my vote goes for the HD2.
The last few iterations of the Energy Rom have been rock solid stable for me...rarely crashes, if ever. No messaging bug or crashes for me.
hd2 all the way. nexus one has been reviewed up against the hd2 and has proven to have better hardware run smoother. i have found if your an app person Windows mobile is still as possible to compete availability is concerned. i use omarket which is an app market for freewarepocketpc.net and also i visit umnet.com and i am just happy when it comes to apps.
M3PH said:
I would never have got my Leo if it wasn't for O2-UK's inability to understand terms like redundancy and co-location and finally, an enthusiastic builder with a shovel but it is seriously the best phone (well it's not really a phone more a personal communications device) i have ever had. Yeah it's got it's problems but they are all HTC's fault for not sticking with the stock interface throughout and instead thinking they can do better.
If i was you (and 6 weeks ago i sorta was) i would go for the HD2 and i would make the same choice everytime of offering.
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I'm pretty much looking for laptop-esque functionality, i.e. downloading torrents, word document composing and everything in a pocket-friendly package. Do you think it offers that? And what ROM are you running?
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A friend of mine got the EVO on release day, and I've spent some time messing with it. Suprisingly, with Sense running on both, the core experience between the two is very similar. At the end of the day, I'd go for the EVO over the HD2 for the availability of apps, and what feels like a better touchscreen, but I don't feel the HD2 is as inferior to the EVO as I thought I would.
Between the HD2 and the Nexus one, I'd go for the HD2 because of the bigger screen, and generally better hardware. I'm an old iPhone user, so the hype of apps wore off for me a long time ago....if Apps are important to you, then definitely get the Nexus One, otherwise my vote goes for the HD2.
The last few iterations of the Energy Rom have been rock solid stable for me...rarely crashes, if ever. No messaging bug or crashes for me.
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You sure? The person above said almost everyone has the messaging bug.
Any major issues worth mentioning?