My HD is barely a year old and i heard so many folks saying it is pointless..
i am hoping users who have both device can help.
My main dislikes of HD.
1) Video playback performance
2) System is sluggish. Even with custom roms
3) Camera is BAD. REAL BAD.
4) I always have misfires while typing. wrong letters etc.
5) Not so good batt. life.
does the HD2 solve all this and beyond? thanks so much.
I'm not an HD2 owner but I think I can fairly state that:
1) the device has been proven to be able to play very high resolution videos flawlessly;
2) system response is blazing fast, even with heavy-ass Sense 2.5;
3) camera is not really much better quality-wise, but you get a powerful flash and, most important, there's almost no lag at all between you clicking and the picture being taken;
4) the screen is considerably bigger and so will be the keyboard, accordingly;
5) numbers seem to indicate that battery life will not improve, but I'd ask owners first on this one.
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I'm not an HD2 owner but I think I can fairly state that:
1) the device has been proven to be able to play very high resolution videos flawlessly;
2) system response is blazing fast, even with heavy-ass Sense 2.5;
3) camera is not really much better quality-wise, but you get a powerful flash and, most important, there's almost no lag at all between you clicking and the picture being taken;
4) the screen is considerably bigger and so will be the keyboard, accordingly;
5) numbers seem to indicate that battery life will not improve, but I'd ask owners first on this one.
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lol heavy-ass Sense 2.5
1) and 2) HD2 is infinitely better. I sold my HD to a colleague and tried to use it yesterday. I don't know how I tolerated it.
3) I don't know where and how you guys take pictures, but, as far as I'm concerned, HD2's camera is miles better that HD's one. I mean, with this camera I can actually take pictures in real life circumstances. The reason is that it is very fast. HD's camera took so long to focus and take the shot that the scene often changed several times by the end. Sure, these pictures won't make me a famous photographer, and for something really good I'll use my dedicated camera, but for occasional snapshots of friends and places it's good enough finally. HD was completely useless for me in this area.
4) is an issue of permanent flame wars here. Its very subjective. It was difficult for me to get used to it because of the capacitive screen and strong habits of using resistive touchscreen devices. Your taps may be registered in slightly different locations compared to what you may expect at first. With resistive, the tap happens where you press hardest, here it depends on the shape of your finger. People who've never used resistive seem to deal just fine with my keyboard. Also, HD2's keyboard wasn't modified by HTC properly for the capacitive screen. It needs to support multitouch and space buttons a bit further away from each other. But all in all, after a little getting used to, I type at least as fast as I did on HD2. Maybe even faster.
5) It's difficult to say. My HD lasted for 1.5 days (a full day, a full night in standby and another full day) easily. I've not been able to get this with HD2. But! I use it much more. For the first few days I caught myself turning it on and watching the silly weather animation on the home screen every five minutes. Disabling this animation seems to have increased battery life, even if by giving me fewer reasons to turn the phone on. I think that 1.5 days is achievable when my usage normalizes.
1) My HD2 plays all of my movies with out and problems, nice and smooth.
2) Doesnt slow down, pretty much ever, there is the occasion bit now and then, but thats very very rare! And with new roms it can only get better!
3) Camera is actually really, VERY VERY good.
4) Keyboard is really good if you leave XT9 on.
5) Battery life isnt that bad, obviously it could be better, but it lasts me a day and thats all I need.
Mate, there has been so many of these threads started already. I haven't commented on any but coming from a HD and loving it there really is no competition. The HD2 is literally twice the device the HD was. Its not that much bigger, 1ghz under the hood, upgradeable to WM7 etc etc etc. The only slight annoyance is the battery life is crap!! I use mine for work so get lots of calls and emails, barely lasts a day!
Other than this the HD2 is the best device (arguably) ever invented, it is that good.
DB
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Mate, there has been so many of these threads started already. I haven't commented on any but coming from a HD and loving it there really is no competition. The HD2 is literally twice the device the HD was. Its not that much bigger, 1ghz under the hood, upgradeable to WM7 etc etc etc. The only slight annoyance is the battery life is crap!! I use mine for work so get lots of calls and emails, barely lasts a day!
Other than this the HD2 is the best device (arguably) ever invented, it is that good.
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Not really anything to add to that. Some people have beefs and believe that not agreeing with them means you are lying, but they're just idiots. There's about 99% praise for this phone on these forums, and we're not fanboys. We're just glad to own something so good.
Get one. Get one now
I'd pretty much agree with vangreig. except to say i find typing in landscape is a joy, im almost as fast typing with this now as with the advantage hard keyboard, and if it doesnt appeal swype works pretty well as well. will be interesting too see which way htc go with the keyboard, it could support multitouch easily and by the looks if things htc are throwing plenty of roms out..
I'm upto about 36 hrs of battery life with heavy use, plenty of tweaks in there.
personally i think there is no comparison really between hd and hd2, i tried my hd2 after a weekend with the hd2, and went and immediately sold it...
I add a Touch Pro 2 before. TP2 is the same than HD but with a full keypad.. so I've some advice abotu your post :
2) System is sluggish. Even with custom roms
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System is stable, and fast. VERY fast. i didn't got any pb with it.
3) Camera is BAD. REAL BAD.
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The resolution of photos is better, but qualitiy looks like the same. I think.
4) I always have misfires while typing. wrong letters etc.
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The capacitive screen of an HD2 is really different from the resistive your HD. It's hard to explain, but REALLY better. On answer to this problem, is that whit a resistive screen, if you're taping TWO differents keys on your virtual keypad, you'll get a mistake (the screen will takes the letter at the middle of the both). Whith capacitive screen, they won't be any problem, the second letter tapped will not be considered. So, YES, the HD2 screen is REALLY better for it ! ;D
5) Not so good batt. life.
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With my TP2 (is think he has a better batery than HD), I had a batery life of 2-3 days. With my HD2, I get only 1 day, using WMLongLife program (auto-switching to 2G-3G when needed). The batery is suffisant. Not exceptional, but really suffisant Moreover, at the end of the day (9:00 pm), I'm about 3% (xD) but I use my phone EVERY hour (which I didn't with TP2). =)
Hope it helps you !
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(...) with this camera I can actually take pictures in real life circumstances. The reason is that it is very fast. HD's camera took so long to focus and take the shot that the scene often changed several times by the end.
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I think this is what really matters, the real major breakthrough we were all expecting for the camera.
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Get one. Get one now
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Hahahaha JEEEEEEEEEEEZ I'm so horribly tempted
If you are really ready to open the back to reset the machine every day, yes you can buy it now.
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If you are really ready to open the back to reset the machine every day, yes you can buy it now.
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That's an exaggeration. I do that maybe twice a week, but I play with it a LOT, and by play, I mean hack about.
Anyway, if the worst thing it does is mean you have to press a small red button once a day, YES!!!! Get it!
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3) camera is not really much better quality-wise, but you get a powerful flash and, most important, there's almost no lag at all between you clicking and the picture being taken;
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I wish, the lag is about three seconds. Taking photos of my baby son is almost impossible. Still, I love the camera, especially the touch focus ability.
Pagnell said:
I wish, the lag is about three seconds. Taking photos of my baby son is almost impossible. Still, I love the camera, especially the touch focus ability.
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ISO 400 should do the trick, if not go 800.
Had the HD2 for over 3 weeks now, only once did I soft reset my device, and that was to get some changes to take effect.
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ISO 400 should do the trick, if not go 800.
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ISO settings only adjust the shutter speed. The problem here is the time it takes between pressing the "button" to take a picture, and the device actually doing it.
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If you are really ready to open the back to reset the machine every day, yes you can buy it now.
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You can simply load a software soft reset button such as Raisaks and lots of others, theres one in the tweak thread too with a nice Icon. No need to take back cover off.
I changed from the HD to the HD2 but then took the HD2 back as I could not adjust to the size of the device! It's like a tablet PC rather than a PDA. That was the only let down for me. Everytime I picked it up I just thought "This is too big".
Luckly I was able to return it to O2 for a full refund and they cancelled the 18 month contract. Im now back to my HD and love it to bits.
The HD2 was faster... Much faster infact and the camera was so much quicker at taking pictures. Also the multi-touch screen was very good. I had problems typing on the phone as it was too sensitive. The slightest movement of you finger would select the key to the side.
In my opinion I would have liked the HD2 specs to be inside the HD case and keep that size. Now that would have been a great phone.
Re camera speed, I certainly don't have anything remotely close to a 3 second delay. There are videos out there showing HD2 taking pictures - it's near instant, and that's been my experience. Maybe the reason you think there is a delay is that you confuse the preview you get after taking a picture for it?
I went from a Touch HD to the HD2 and am very happy.
Battery life is slightly poorer than the HD but adding the tweaks here has helped I can get through from 8:00am to 11:00pm comfortably, which is enough for me. Oh and +1 on the keep switching on to play and watch the weather animation.
Typing takes some getting used to moving from the Resistive screen to the Capacitive screen, takes some practice, but the experience is better once a little effort has been put in.
These are the only caveats I could point out, the HD2 is superior to the HD in every way and, in my opinion, the best that money can buy.
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I wish, the lag is about three seconds. Taking photos of my baby son is almost impossible. Still, I love the camera, especially the touch focus ability.
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Now, if that's true you might consider to do a hard reset. It's not supposed to behave that way.
On topic: I had HD before HD2 and it's like day and night in all aspects (yes also in the aspect of the keyboard ) and I would'nt switch back even if I got paid. Actually I would'nt want to switch to any other phone after getting used to the HD2. I love it and when hardspl is done which will make us able to cook some fresh ROM's, well then we'll have a real iPhone killer for sure.
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I had a Tytn II then a Touch Pro before switching to the Touch HD. I was VERY worried after reading all the negative issues raised on this forum:
1. poor screen brightness
2. unable to play movies well
3. GPS lag in tomtom
4. poor battery performance
5. on screen keyboard not great
All I can say is I've had the Touch HD for a week now and its FANTASTIC.
1. Screen brightness is very good. At least as good as the iThingy (the wife has one of those). Out the box the HD comes with brightness on auto so itsn't that bright.
2. I took 5 movies from my PC, all mpeg4 AVIs (no 720p or course) ,24fps,around 660x360 in resolution, bitrate around 1000kbps....not converted for a phone in anyway, as they were when I downloaded them. All but one played absolutely perfectly. Only one is very slightly jumpy but perfectly watchable (bitrate too high).
3. I use GPSGate so maybe that helps but I have zero lag on the GPS in tomtom. With the big screen it looks amazing. so much easier to read than on the Touch Pro.
4. For me, battery is better than the Touch Pro. I haven't tried watching endless videos yet but I get 2 days out of a battery using phone, a bit of GPS, some wifi, some mp3s.
5. keyboard isn't perfect but its ok. there are plenty of other better keyboards you can download.
So lets try and be a bit more positive guys
I accept its not the perfect phone but until the tegra chips and wm7 appear, its as good as it gets and I love it!
Yes i agree, this is the best (in my opinion) windows mobile out there.
I love the screen,
only problem i have is that alot of applications/games are not compatable with the display, but im sure there will be updates to run these apps soon
marcel where do you have the screen brightness set to?
Today I changed the brightness to maximum when on battery. I'll see how that goes over the weekend to see what effect it has on battery.
But I found the auto brightness fine. I'm in the UK so don't get a lot of chance to test it in bright sunshine
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1. Screen brightness is very good.
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Love the brightness and resolution, hate the viewing angle... Slightly off angle and it's very yellowish and unsharp, hence the IPhone and such look better in video's... Facing the screen however, it's awesome, a contender for any screen.
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4. For me, battery is better than the Touch Pro. I haven't tried watching endless videos yet but I get 2 days out of a battery using phone, a bit of GPS, some wifi, some mp3s.
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I never compared with the Pro, only the Diamond (yes much longer battery life, both bigger battery and good software optimization), but my power usage still drains the device pretty fast Regular usage easily gets me a couple of days though.
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5. keyboard isn't perfect but its ok. there are plenty of other better keyboards you can download.
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Just got TouchPal... The only non-hardware keyboard ever that really blew me away. I can type AT LEAST as fast on that as on my Blackberry Pearl, and that is a big statement.
TouchPal is 100% compatible with WVGA/Touch HD and even has a Diamond/HD/Pro skin.
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I accept its not the perfect phone but until the tegra chips and wm7 appear, its as good as it gets and I love it!
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Couldn't have said it better myself. The only thing that I got left on my wishlist (after having had Nokia, Samsung, Blackberry, several HTC's and an iPhone) as Windows Mobile 7 and the Tegra platform. WM7 looks very, very promising though. I hope it will be compatible with the HD, it's really totally different from the current WinMo interface.
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only problem i have is that alot of applications/games are not compatable with the display, but im sure there will be updates to run these apps soon
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According to the working programs post the list of apps that works is ten times longer than the apps that don't. Those few odd apps will be ported or upgraded quickly as this device is quite popular, IMHO.
+1 for enjoying an awesome device and not ragging on tiny little features.. no device is perfect and they will never make a perfect one, there's just so much more money in making nearly-perfect things
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According to the working programs post the list of apps that works is ten times longer than the apps that don't. Those few odd apps will be ported or upgraded quickly as this device is quite popular, IMHO.
+1 for enjoying an awesome device and not ragging on tiny little features.. no device is perfect and they will never make a perfect one, there's just so much more money in making nearly-perfect things
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Completly agree mate!
Shie-shie
I agree, it's an awesome phone, getting boring reading endless threads about tiny things that aren't perfect and iPhone comparisms.
Best phone I've ever had and used IMO.
P.S. If people love the iPhone so much why are they on a WM forum??
I'm glad this thread was created. I am sick of people slating this phone.
'The video playback isn't as good as my 40" HD panasonic tv' or 'it hasn't got a Dpad' or 'the screen isn't bright enough' or 'its got a gps lag'.
!!!!GET OVER IT!!!!
This is the best touch phone on the market all things considered, and the best thing is with time it'll get better due to the nature of HTC and WM. I've had this phone for 4 days now and still can't put it down, not opnly does it run smooth but looks sooooo sleek and stylie. I've already posted this statement in another post but
let the haters hate and the doubters doubt, what they want is either in the past or i the future. HTC HD WHAT A GREAT DEVICE!
best mobile out there right now love it. I've had tytn11, iphone, diamond, blackberry storm but HD is simply the best. I did have my reservations, especially after reading alot of negative reviews including some opinions here but after few days playing around with it I'm very pleased.
I currently have a touch HD/Blackstone and I love it to bits, but the prospect of having a capacitive multitouch screen and much faster responses when navigating round the phone/opening/running apps etc is starting to tempt me very strongly to the HD2/Leo.
Have any of you Leo owners upgraded from the Blackstone? If so, please can you let me know your thoughts on whether it was a good move, what the pros & cons are etc, and whether the new phone really is super fast and slick like the reviews I've read say it is.
If I get one I'd probably want to be running SPB shell on it, which from looking through here I assume it works, but will most apps for the blackstone also work on the Leo?
I know there's no stylus with the Leo for instance, but for fiddly stuff does the screen accept the use of a fingernail for 'precision' (ish!) stuff like checkboxes & small menus, or does it have to be skin contact or a real capacitive stylus etc?
Regardless of whether you upgraded from a Blackstone, are you very pleased with the way the phone works in terms of performance and 'slickness'?
Last questions are - what's the video performance like on the Leo, ie does it have all the problems the HD has in terms of poor out of the box performance with video playback?
And is the bluetooth stuff still hardcoded for the HTC music player (like the blackstone), or would I be able to properly use my sony bluetooth headset to control the likes of coreplayer?
Sorry for all the questions - I really want to upgrade to the Leo, but it will cost me a lot and I don't want to make a mistake.
Many thanks for any useful replies!
Jim
After having the Touch HD for 2 month I really loved it. Everything was running as I wanted it to be ... But then HTC announced the HD2 and I decided to switch to it after watching lots of videos in youtube an other sites. I would do it again ...
I don't have any problems using the OS without a stylus. In fact I wasn't using the stylus or my fingernails on my Touch HD either. I only needed to adapt to the higher screen responsiveness, but that was it.
HD2 pros compared to the Touch HD:
+ MUCH higher build quality. The Touch HD always felt somehow cheap, except it actually wasn't ...
+ Everything is just faster. I wasn't too thrilled with TouchFLO 3D on the Touch HD, as it slowed down the device too much. No problems on the HD2, although the new version of TouchFLO 3D (Sense ...) grew in so many aspects and is now pretty well integrated into the OS.
+ The bigger screen. Didn't thing its a big deal, but the screen-difference between the two devices is astonishing. Its much more fun to use multimediacontent on the HD2.
+ Pinch to Zoom.
I had a HD for nearly a year now and loved it - yes, TF3D ran slowly but it also was more "form than function" and I stopped using it in favour of simple SPB Diary with multiple tabs.
Now having a HD2 for over a month I do love the high speed and slick operation and I even stick with TF3D (or HTC Sense, whatever it's called).
But, there are apps from HD that don't run well on the screen as they expect the precision of a stylus. One example is SPB Finance that I used to record all my expenditures on an almost daily business. This just does not work with a big fat finger !
But, but others work great - CoPilot works really nicely. I tried Route66 on the HD2 as this was a fully legal working purchase on the HD but on the new HD2 it's not good. Nice surprise is the new CoPilot works really well and super fast. Even indoors near a window I can get enough satellites for a 3D fix and moving next to the window gets 7 or 8 sats. HD never achieved that.
My build quality on the HD was fine. On the HD2 you get a real solid feel from the metal battery cover where you naturally hold the device.
HD2 is super quick but the capacitive screen is a weakness. However, this is because most applications have not yet caught up. Many exist that are great with fingers like Resco explorer but others expect a stylus and are hard to use.
As a year long HD user I doubt very much that I won't move back after having got the HD2. My old HD is sitting in a box and I have not been tempted to get it out !
Thanks for the replies guys - I like what I hear!
I think the only thing that might delay me upgrading to an HD2 is the difference in value between selling HD and buying HD2 but we'll see....
Can you clarify a couple of things I'm still not sure about though?
Dave - you said you can't use certain apps from the HD because of the capacitive screen as you don't have a stylus with it (and can't use a normal one I believe), but is it possible to use these apps with a finger nail if you really need to?
I know it might be awkward or not very practical, but I want to know whether it's actually possible at all, ie if the screen will physically work like that, or if it's literally impossible to do?
Secondly (don't get me wrong here) whilst I don't want an iphone, is the responsiveness of the HD2 screen the same kind of thing? Local shops here don't have one I can try so I have to go by what others tell me, and I'd like it to work as smooth as the iphone screen, ie no actual pressure etc.
I know it's capacitive so it should be like that but I don't know if there are differences aside from that to how the screen responds. Hope that makes sense!
Last question - I believe the screen is glass on it? Is it toughened in any way? Presume the fact that it's glass will mean that it's much harder to scratch than the HD screen and also means a clearer, brighter display by not having a resistive layer?
Thanks for the replies - I appreciate the info!
I'll try again but I don't think finger nails work ...
I upgraded from the Blackstone and for me, it was definitely worth it.
First thing you notice is the amazing speed if the device. I just saw that I had TomTom (among a couple of other programs) running in the background for several days and I didn't even notice it.
The HD2 is really insanely fast. I sometimes take my old Blackstone in order to try new WM builds, but its slowness makes me sick after some minutes of using it.
Next big thing, for me, is the camera. The light sensitivity has been greatly improved and the flash works stunningly good for an LED flash.
It takes really great pictures for a smartphone, much much better than the HD, finally I have a phone that lets me capture the important moments
(btw. the 'red tint bug' is present but not noticeable on most pictures)
Third thing is the screen. It''s capacitive, that means you can NOT use your fingernail, and no stylus. But I really like the sensitivity, it's much more comfortable to use. And it feels a lot better, it's not the 'cheap' feel of the resistive panel's plastic layers anymore.
And this brings me to the fourth and last point: Build quality. I've never ever seen such a high build quality and high quality materials on a phone. It looks and feels just amazing, even the iPhone feels like a cheap toy in comparison.
Video playback is of course a lot better and it plays high quality video without stuttering.
Well actualy you can use stylus without problems, you just have to buy a special one (whitch buy the way also works on the iPhone)
http://cgi.ebay.com/2x-DAGi-Stylus-...wItemQQptZPDA_Accessories?hash=item414b467e4a
Like they other says there are applications who can be a bit of a hassel with using with the finger...
But I suspect you would love it... I could newer go back to my HD after being used to the buitiful racer the HD2 is, and i absolutely love the screen to.
Hi,
I've spent 1 week with the HD2 after a year on the HD. Mobile Shell 3.5 on both.
The main difference is speed. HD2 is soooo much faster. Didn't notice the HD was particularly slow whilst I was using it, but going back to it now is PAINFUL.
I struggled a bit initially with the capacitive screen, found it a bit hit and miss. In particular I found the HTC keyboard a nightmare, way too sensitive. Installing the .cab that decreases screen sensitivity has improved things greatly, and installing Spb Keyboard has also helped. It's improving with practice, there are still times when I do something and it doesn't register, but overall I'm starting to like it. There's a definite knack to it: much lighter touch, smoother motions. So there's a learning curve here + a need to tweak. And I'm sure the experience will continue to improve as third party software is adapted for it.
Mobile Shell has a few minor compatability issues but nothing to worry about (screen brightness control doesn't work, voicemail indicator widget doesn't work, a few other minor things). Spb are generally good at updating for significant new hardware releases, same thing happened with the HD when it was first released and they fixed everything quickly. I tried the Sense interface for a day or two to see if I could get used to it, it IS very pretty. But went back to Mobile Shell, I find it much more functional.
The HD2 build quality is excellent vs good for HD. And the additional screen size is a significant plus too. I was initially worried it would be a step too far in terms of the overall size of the device, but no. As soon as I laid eyes on the actual device + picked it up I knew it wouldn't be a problem.
Browsing in Opera is fantastic. Fast and the big screen helps. Still not comparable to a desktop browsing experience but very usable and way better than the HD due to the speed.
Overall it's a big step forward from the HD and highly recommended. Like I said, I find going back to the HD to dig out a few files I need to be surprisingly painful...
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Secondly (don't get me wrong here) whilst I don't want an iphone, is the responsiveness of the HD2 screen the same kind of thing? Local shops here don't have one I can try so I have to go by what others tell me, and I'd like it to work as smooth as the iphone screen, ie no actual pressure etc.
I know it's capacitive so it should be like that but I don't know if there are differences aside from that to how the screen responds. Hope that makes sense!
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I tested the HD2 besides both, an 3G and 3GS, and really couldn't find any real difference in the screens responsiveness. You don't have to do any pressure on the HD2's screen ... I have to say, that I had a problem with the high sensitivity at first, but when playing around with an Nokia N900 last week, I noticed how fast I adapted to the capacitive screen of the HD2. The N900's screen was a pain in the ass (although its actually quite good for a resistive screen), because slight fingerswipes and tips didn't to anything ...
When browsing the forums you will notice, that most ppl here have/had a problem with the keyboard of the HD2. Besides the bugreporting here (I don't have any of these problems), I imagine that most of the problems with the keyboard just come from the unfamiliar sensitivity. By lifting the fingers a little higher when typing, I managed to type pretty accurate.
I don't have a Touch HD to compare side by side, but had the possibility to compare the HD2 to an iPhone 3G ... the 3G was very slow compared to the HD2 ... So wouldn't really go back to a last-gen phone ...
Had a Touch HD for a year until i bought my HD2 last month.
I Had Dutty's Leo rom running since he started releasing those, so I felt completely at home with my HD2 when i had it in my hand. (For those not knowing : Leo rom for Touch HD is just that. Winmo 6.5 running HTC Sense, just like the HD2)
A few things felt wonderfully different tho :
Screen is beautifull. The glas type used is almost impossible to scratch. I have my phone in my pocket unprotected. Even accedently slipped my keys in with it a few times. Not a mark on it! What is this screen made of ? Diamond ??
Speed. Wow! This phone is fast. I ran the weather demo simultaniously, side by side with the Touch HD. And the difference makes the Touch HD look like a joke. (it's not, but compared, its sloooow)
Pinch zoom. OMG now i know why Iphone has been the king of mobile browsing. HAS been! HD2 is now the new king! Opera + capacitive screen with multi touch AND a 1 ghz processor ? It is a match made in heaven. Mobile browsing is EASY and fun now. Thank god i have an internet sub on my simcard...
Camera. Remember how a big hazzel it was to take a pic with Touch HD ? I mean, the moment is GONE, before the camera is ready to take the picture!
With HD2 and a shortcut on the Sense start screen , it takes around 1 second(!!) from press on camera icon till your ready to take the picture!. The flash LED (Which can blind a man btw) makes it possible to shoot in the dark, FINALLY!
Well those things was EXACTLY why I upgraded, and I have not been dissapointed.
Some had a huge problem with the sensitive screen. Not me, I adapted quickly, and the keyboard I was used to from leo rom on the Touch HD, so i guess it's a matter of taste, or fat fingers .
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There are a LOT of the tweaks and programs for Dutty's leo rom that works great with the HD2, like BG4all etc.
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The flash LED (Which can blind a man btw)
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yep, fortgot to mention the LEDs. I love them. Not to take pictures, but for everydays things. Really missed a LED on the Touch HD.
I got my HD2 a week ago, and I'm loving it, other than the rather short battery life (may be a temporary issue, some people do not have this issue).
It's definitely faster than the HD. Going through the Windows folder in File Explorer takes 2 seconds, rather than 6-8 seconds on the HD. Going through tabs in TouchFlo 3D (Sense) is fast, and tab contents are displayed lightning fast.
TomTom works great on the HD2, haven't tried CoPilot because they do not have maps that I could purchase for my region yet (which is funny, since I can download the map while trialling the software). TomTom is rather smooth on the HD2, the position cursor does not jerk forward when moving. With valid QuickGPS data, getting a GPS fix is faster than on the HD.
The speaker is a little worse than the HD in my opinion, although it's somewhat louder than the HD.
Moving from Resistive (HD) to the Capacitive screen in the HD2 may take some time to get used to it. Drawing/scribbling notes can be hard, so is selecting the directory/folder you want to go to in File Explorer. Maybe it's me, I have large fingers.
Reception compared to the HD, Nokia N82, N95 8GB.
The 3G network I'm on is rather bad in my room.
Nokia N82 and N95 8GB - 4 of 7 bars (estimated equivalent on the HD2 would be 3 of 4 bars)
HTC Touch HD - 1 of 4 bars
HTC Touch HD2 - 3 of 4 bars, sometimes full signal.
The signal bars on the HD2 tend to fluctuate at times, while holding the phone in landscape mode and browsing the internet, the signal may drop to no bars, disconnect from the network, then come back on with 1 or 2 bars.
Camera is great. Autofocus seems to be 'continuous', focusing when the camera is moved or after a few seconds. Shutter lag is much shorter than on the HD, but taking moving subjects may still result in a blurr (cranking up the ISO setting doesn't help much). Sharper than on the HD, and the automatic white balance is definitely better than on the HD under certain lighting conditions. LED Flash works OK for objects further than 30cm most of the time, using it for close ups may sometimes result in a bright, white mess.
I'm using the 1.43 ROM, so some of these issues may be fixed in the updated ROM. There are some issues in TouchFlo/Sense, but they are easily corrected by taking a trip down the Tips & Tricks Post in the Leo Forum.
tbela
I'd used Blackstone for some monthes, and overall I was satisfied. (I'd used Xanny Grid Leo rom)
I've a Leo for a week, and now I'm not simply satisfied but I'm happy with it. The speed, the huge screen and the build quality are fantastic. It's very rear, when I have to fight with small old-fashioned windows controls, but with some patience and practice it is also manageable. Nail-touching definitely doesn't work. Althogh, you can buy capacitive-compatible stylus on ebay.
Only disadvantage for me: fring doesn't work, but I hope it will be fixed soon. Temporarily I use Nimbuzz for chatting.
Overall I can highly recommend the upgrade. If you can do, DO IT!
Thanks very much for all the replies guys. The fact that most of you have written wuite a bit tells me you're very enthusiastic about the phone!
I want one for sure now. The only thing is the cost - I can't renew my contract and there are very few Leos on Ebay and around £500, but only maybe £250 sale proceeds from my HD, so it's quite a hit to take.
If I can get a few quid together to help ease the difference then I'll definitely get one.
Thanks for the comments
Same here, had the HD for about a year and liked it in many respects, the HD2 is a much nicer experience though and if you can afford it at some point I highly recommend to get it.
Well I've made my mind up to get one for sure. The only question really is when.
I'll have to buy an unlocked one on Ebay I think and there are very few on there at the moment because the phone is so new. This is obviously therefore keeping the prices really high.
I'm dying to say 'sod it' and get the credit card out but I know I ought to wait a month or two to see if they get a bit cheaper once more are being sold.
I've read reviews on it and most things I see say that this is basically the best piece of hardware on the market in terms of phones, but that it's "let down/ruined" etc by having winmo on it. I like winmo and have used it for years, so for me, that's a plus!
Having said that, I'd kill to see/have winmo7!
Yep. Those reviews are nonsense.
Powerful hardware like this needs a powerful OS, and WinMo really is by far the most powerful OS you can get.
It doesn't ruin anything. It's the perfect OS for a phone like this.
WinMo bashing is a current trend that you can't do anything against when sites like Gizmodo or Engadget spread the FUD. It's really sad.
I wouldn't want any other OS on the HD2.
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Overall I agree, But Android 2.0 would be very interesting
Well I'm sure I'll be quite happy since it's exactly what I'm used to.
Last phones I've had have been Touch HD, Omnia, XDA Orbit etc - loved them all.
Can't WAIT to get the HD2 though. Especially now I've bought one this afternoon.
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Well I'm sure I'll be quite happy since it's exactly what I'm used to.
Last phones I've had have been Touch HD, Omnia, XDA Orbit etc - loved them all.
Can't WAIT to get the HD2 though. Especially now I've bought one this afternoon.
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Congrats to get this lovely phone. I'd wager you will like it .
Now that people are starting to receive their Nexus One handsets, it would be really good if there was a single thread where people could post their first impressions, then a mini review after a few days of use.
So far I can't see any threads like that on this forum, only the one logging existing issues with the N1. This will be a really helpful set of opinions for people like myself who are WinMo owners potentially considering a switch.
Me from another forum first impressions....
NoHD recording or playback.
Yes this sucka is FAST. Im convinced engadget rigged the speed test. The loading of websites is insanely fast.
MultiTouch/Pinch Zoom on Dolphin Browser is fantastic!
MUCH better than Iphne for the simple reason text will format itself to the display once pinched in or out. I cant fathom how people overlook this feature.
Homescreen cards are useless.
Homescreen crawling with live wallpapers ((especially rain)) is slightly choppy at times. Regular wallpapers smooth.
Creepy moment....Maybe I overlooked something I did.. but how did camera pics from my G1 appear on my Nexus One gallery ???? Im seriously baffled. ((drop box)) is the only info I have. Maybe Its in picasa ?? Need to check this.
App installation ?....insanely fast..serious. Its done quicker than you can exit out so far. ((wifi))
Screen is gorgeous.. I will say this. It may not WOW you at first. But the second you go back to Iphone or another phone.. it REALLY hits you how sharp this phone is. Similar to dvd to HD. Biggest difference is when you go back and realize how blurry it was.
Any unboxing vids?
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but how did camera pics from my G1 appear on my Nexus One gallery ????
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Did you ever upload your G1 camera pix to Picasa? Gallery on the Nexus One (2.1) seems to pull/sync albums off Picasa now...
Cheers,
Kermee
First impressions after a few hours:
FAST!! (especially coming from the Hero). I was download/installing apps in the background and didn't notice any slowdown.
The screen is awesome. Not just the resolution, the colors are really good. OLED is worth it.
Different hardware button order on the bottom: Back-Menu-Home-Search on the N1. Not a big deal, but I had assumed that Android would come with a recommended button layout. Oh and the buttons are capacitive sensing, not protruding rubber buttons.
After about 24 hours..
FAST, FAST, FAST... app installs are ridiculously quick. As mentioned earlier, I don't know what Engadget was doing because the browser loads everything super quick for me. Maybe they should have ran multiple tests beyond their cluttered mess they call a website.
Transitioning between homescreens can be done by touching the bottom left and right, which show dots to indicate where you are. Center screen has two dots on each side, if you click the right dots you'll have 3 on the right and 1 on the left, click to the right again and you'll have 4 on the right and 0 on the left. hard to explain, but I like it better than swiping.
Some apps need to be updated to 2.1, so I'm missing some functionality but I'm sure that will be taken care of soon.
The screen is GORGEOUS. I spent over an hour last night reading a large pdf document and never felt any eyestrain whatsoever. I'm sensing great E-reader possibilities here. Further, the battery barely lost any juice while the screen was lit up for such a long period. Battery life has been excellent so far, much better than my Ion.
Speech-to-text works well so far.
Call clarity has been fine, but I've only talked for a few minutes.
No radio issues, showing over 1mbps here in the DC area.
N1 on AT&T
I'm stuck on ATT and with wifi it is extremely fast not much faster than my sons 3gs to compare with. But definately faster and smoother. I thought that edge would be terrible and it is slower of course but surprising noticably much faster than my G1. Maybe a better radio or just the horsepower. I have wifi at work and home and don't have a lot of idle time except maybe at the airport (which has wifi) so I'm ok.
At this point I don't see anything on the horizon to top this for a while.
You know you want one and you deserve it!!!! Do it!!! Yup, even on AT&T !!!
FAST FAST FAST. got this like an hour ago and sprang out of bed (SNOW DAY!)
anyways it's super fast. like 10 times faster than g1. you hit install and it's done. you click something and it's up. multi touch in dolphin is crazy. cant wait till tonight when cyanogen includes MT in regular browser.
complains? have to get used to top button / lock screen. i also have to agree with engadget that the touch buttons seem to be higher than they should be. as in for say HOME, you have to hit the top half of it really close to screen for it to work, if u hit too far down it doesnt. and too far down is too far up IMO.
BEAUTIFUL. screen is gorgeous.
camera takes pictures like instantly. and even autofocuses. no dedicated camera button tho .
not sure about sound quality. talked to cousin and it seemed maybe worse? idk i have to wait and see.i dont like that its microusb and not miniusb but that's not really an issue.
but seriously it's ridiculously responsive and awesome and fast and worth my money . onscreen keyboard works great especially in landscape.
Hello guys and compliments for yours purchase.
Can I make you some question?
Video resolution is 720x480 but how much frame for second?
Can you see flash site? I read that adobe flash 10.1 working on nexus one, I see a video.
It's possibile to add a T9 keyboard text input like nokia 5800? I see a program "better keyboard" made this.
Thanks you guys
cboy007 is the onscreen keyboard multitouch?
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cboy007 is the onscreen keyboard multitouch?
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GRR. no its not. it's not that big of a deal for me and also you can count on either an update making it MT or another keyboard just using it's API's. the next HTC_IME might be MT for all we know.
JackCarv3r said:
Hello guys and compliments for yours purchase.
Can I make you some question?
Video resolution is 720x480 but how much frame for second?
Can you see flash site? I read that adobe flash 10.1 working on nexus one, I see a video.
It's possibile to add a T9 keyboard text input like nokia 5800? I see a program "better keyboard" made this.
Thanks you guys
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not sure the FPS...i can post a test video for you in a little to check it out or look at one already posted. it's better than other phone but not amazing...
no flash YET it's coming soon as an update but right now there is no flash...
better keyboard or HTC IME willl allow for t9. and idk what t9 you mean...the normal keyboard has predictive to some extent but if you want phone keypad predictive go with better KB or HTC IME. i'm seeing if the current HTC IME works in a little.
The Nexus one is absolutely amazing!! I came from 32b sapphire(my touch). This phone is probably ten times faster at loading apps and navigating around. Internet browsing is insanely fast, its pretty much like browsing on a pc. Typing on the android keyboard is actually pretty good, if I type as fast as I can the phone does not miss a beat, I tested hitting 2 keys at the same time and it always picks up both of them. I have never noticed the phone slow down one bit even when it is running 20+ apps at the same time. Almost all the apps I had for the Mytouch have worked very well on the Nexus. Orientation is almost instant, and the camera takes pics really fast as mentioned above. The screen is beautifully clear and functions well. So far I'm very impressed!
JackCarv3r said:
Hello guys and compliments for yours purchase.
Can I make you some question?
Video resolution is 720x480 but how much frame for second?
Can you see flash site? I read that adobe flash 10.1 working on nexus one, I see a video.
It's possibile to add a T9 keyboard text input like nokia 5800? I see a program "better keyboard" made this.
Thanks you guys
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the video resoultion is 800x480
screens dfont have fps but rather i think you mean to say refresh rate. the refresh rate on OLED displays is very high.
It is possible to add a T9 keyboard. Cyanogen will soon release the HTC_IME keyboard for nexus one and it supports this feature.
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the video resoultion is 800x480
screens dfont have fps but rather i think you mean to say refresh rate. the refresh rate on OLED displays is very high.
It is possible to add a T9 keyboard. Cyanogen will soon release the HTC_IME keyboard for nexus one and it supports this feature.
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No, he's asking about the specs if you're taking video with the camera. It is 720x480, but I don't know the fps.
oh the camera? well still images do not have FPS, video recording is 20fps. (Source)
I've had mine for about an hour now and I LOVE it. The screen is amazing and very vibrant . The phone itself looks and feels great. When it changes to landscape view it is SUPER fast, there is pretty much no lag to speak of.
My biggest issue so far is the fact it doesn't use the normal mini usb for charging. The only reason I have an issue with that is the fact I have mini USB chargers everywhere in my house.
Besides that the only other thing I don't care for is the automatic screen brightness. I like my screen bright and it tends to get a little to dim when it's on auto matic.
It's the best phone in the world. So snappy, integrated with google. This is the Android experience.
Engadgets Browser Test....... BS
I keep hearing mention of the Engadget's browser test video between the Droid, N1 and IPhone. What they fail to mention is that engadget's site is safari optimized, yes apple's safari! Try any other website, and you'll have vastly different results. They keep saying that the Droid's and N1's performance was "embarrassing", the true embarrassment is the lack of objectivity that engadget has shown when regarding anything apple!
Wow, I didn't know about not charging off miniUSB...that's kinda a bummer, that's how I always charged my G1. Guess I'll have to make sure not to lose my official charger.
I've had it for about 90 minutes so far. Reading Engadget's review made me afraid I was going to have buyer's remorse, but the two things that bothered me the most in their review turn out to be non-issues. I tried out the screen in the bright Los Angeles sun and, at least when the brightness is turned up, it's still usable. The screen reflects a lot of light though, and the glare can make it tough, but you can still see what's on the screen through it just fine. Also, no multitouch is a bummer in most cases, but the multitouch on the Dolphin browser is just as good as the iPhone's, nice and smooth. Finally, page loading for me has been plenty fast, and despite Speedtest saying there's no real change in download speed, it appears to download pages much more quickly (I'm assuming it's due to the page rendering that much faster).
Everything is fast, boot times appear to be under 30 seconds (I didn't time it), no real lag so far, the keyboard is very responsive, scrolling is smooth as glass -- I'm not regretting the purchase in the slightest, though I am feeling a little bad for my poor G1, he served me well for quite some time!
I was very disappointed by the HD mini.
I gave as a gift my wife and I returned with the Diamond
why you are disappointed
you can explain?
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I was very disappointed by the HD mini.
I gave as a gift my wife and I returned with the Diamond
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explain,plz..otherwise we could think that your wife doesn't know how to use it! And I hope to use she's doing better with others stuff!!
I'm excited about this model
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I was very disappointed by the HD mini.
I gave as a gift my wife and I returned with the Diamond
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i think he doesn't know what he is talking about,the mini is way better than the diamond...your wife just don't know how to use it...
This device is fantastic!!! I'm using it for two weeks and it works great. I had diamond 1 & 2, also fine machines, but to be honest both verry sluggish, poor battery life and needed manny tweaks to work for daily use. And that's ridiculous if you think about that; they where presented as high end devices and pricy so should work propper out of the box! And now the Mini. It's smood, fast responding and does work great right out of the box. Just what you need to aspect from a device at such price. Battery last 2 days normal use. I know the screen is an issue, specialy if you want to install apps, but for normal use it has al the features on board (excellent callender, twitter app, audio player, internet, e-mail, co-pilot and more). No need to install more. The device is powerful enough. Most people tweak for the fun of it and install most apps just to test and remove again. Fine for them. But for me daily use is the prime criterion, with apps and power I need, not for just to have. And this device delivers it all!
I agree with Hermanouk. If you are not so much into tweaking your device the Mini is good. I like its size, weight and the fact that the batt life is one of the best amongst all WM devices I have seen/used so far.
Fantastic Device
this is right.
the device is fantastic. the best windows mobile ever. a really tough competition to iphone and Android phones.
to be honest with you, i'm in love with MAC products. i own them all without any exception.
i'm in deep love with the iPhone with few concerns: multi-tasking, alarms and snoozing handling, very fragile and welcomes scratches, and finally a personal preference for little bit smaller device with 3 to 3.5 inch capacitive screen, not to forget a longer battery life.
The HD Mini solved them all. very smooth multi-touch screen, zooming, pinching, rotating, scrolling, awsome. the design is the best practical ever. i was sitting in the garden and very confidently i put the Mini on the glass table full of dust because of the sand storm, i would never even dare to think dealing with the iPhone like that.
the touch buttons are the best i have ever used, very responsive, no single complain.
the camera is superb, missing flash of course.
buy it without any hesitance.
even I have nothing to show for it. I have not found a kit iGO8 that contains resolution and 320_480 ; 480_320 , which is why I have not tested navigation
Good as vanilla...
I got one, and I am hugely disapointed. I was not aware of the HVGA resolution excluding me from installing more or less anything from 3rd party developers. (How can they release anything like this??) Since the native WM applications (since mid-90's) has not been tweaked to this new resolution, the fonts look really crappy unless you scale up to largest size (and then what is the benefit of HVGA?) The HTC-made UI looks good though.
So at the end of the day, what makes HTC HD Mini different from any non-windows phone like Samsung or LG or whatever? Nothing, except the 100% active sync compatibility. Can you live without that last feature, choose something different.
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I got one, and I am hugely disapointed. I was not aware of the HVGA resolution excluding me from installing more or less anything from 3rd party developers. (How can they release anything like this??) Since the native WM applications (since mid-90's) has not been tweaked to this new resolution, the fonts look really crappy unless you scale up to largest size (and then what is the benefit of HVGA?) The HTC-made UI looks good though.
So at the end of the day, what makes HTC HD Mini different from any non-windows phone like Samsung or LG or whatever? Nothing, except the 100% active sync compatibility. Can you live without that last feature, choose something different.
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Noone cares about those applications,and anyway the most importants works...if you want to use a bunch of useless applications buy another phone...what makes the mini different it's the design,dimension and battery duration,and i think that that's what really matters in a phone..
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I was very disappointed by the HD mini.
I gave as a gift my wife and I returned with the Diamond
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Seriously?! I've played with and enjoyed most of HTC's WM phones of the last few years, but the original Diamond is the only one I've really hated. Dreadfully tiny screen, awfully slow, horrible buttons and poor battery life. Maybe ROM updates improved it, but the Diamond2 leaves it for dust, IMHO, and with some caveats the Mini edges ahead of the Diamond2.
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This device is fantastic!!! I'm using it for two weeks and it works great. I had diamond 1 & 2, also fine machines, but to be honest both verry sluggish, poor battery life and needed manny tweaks to work for daily use. And that's ridiculous if you think about that; they where presented as high end devices and pricy so should work propper out of the box! And now the Mini. It's smood, fast responding and does work great right out of the box. Just what you need to aspect from a device at such price. Battery last 2 days normal use. I know the screen is an issue, specialy if you want to install apps, but for normal use it has al the features on board (excellent callender, twitter app, audio player, internet, e-mail, co-pilot and more). No need to install more. The device is powerful enough. Most people tweak for the fun of it and install most apps just to test and remove again. Fine for them. But for me daily use is the prime criterion, with apps and power I need, not for just to have. And this device delivers it all!
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As my signature: GMTA!
Espada88 said:
Noone cares about those applications,and anyway the most importants works...if you want to use a bunch of useless applications buy another phone...what makes the mini different it's the design,dimension and battery duration,and i think that that's what really matters in a phone..
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Sorry, but you are absolutely wrong. If you want a small size phone with long battery life - choose an old Ericsson T610 or similar. Applications such as Navigon and Worldmate may be useless to you, but for me they are utterly important for dealing with my professional life. The only reason for me to have a wm phone is the 100% compatibility to Active sync.
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Lady88 I see you got what I mean, sure the battery lasts long, the processor is very fast, but my Diamond is very personalized with HD mini spent my time trying to run applications with fingers without success, with third-party software parties is useless
.... My wife is happy
My battery lasts about 10 hours... With some internet wifi, bluetooth and some solitair, the battery fall down from 90% to 20% in 3-4 hours...
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My battery lasts about 10 hours... With some internet wifi, bluetooth and some solitair, the battery fall down from 90% to 20% in 3-4 hours...
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do you have automatic backlight adjustment on?
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do you have automatic backlight adjustment on?
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Yes, and normally is about 60-70% i thing.
Is that a problem?
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Yes, and normally is about 60-70% i thing.
Is that a problem?
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YES,AND VERY BIG PROBLEM MAN!
switch it and put backlight to 40-50%,then your battery will last longer.I use 50% now and battery lasts for 2 days at least,sometimes 3 if i dont use internet much
Ok! i will try that and post again... Ty man...
I really wanted to go for an Android device, but since none of them is GSM and has a screen this big, I'm going for the HD2.
Just a few questions:
1. Is the glass screen prone to cracking? Even on gentle drops?
2. How oversensitive is the touchscreen? Can I type as fast as I do on my Nokia E90?
3. Does it have a tendency to corrupt 16GB microSD cards? I've seen some threads around it.
4. How stable is it for daily life usage?
5. Does it work with a bluetooth keyboard?
6. Can you hook up a PS3 bluetooth controller and play FPSce on it?
Edit, some more questions:
7. Does it have audio/video lag while playing reasonable quality videos? REALLY worried about this one...
8. How's the camera and video recording?
Thanks to whoever can answer these.
1. There have been different reports. Some say they've broken theirs on gentle drops, others have had some big drops with no damage. I find the HD2 to be a good solid build. Best advice is get a good case and be careful.
2. There are tweaks if you find the screen to be oversensitive and a variety of good keyboard solutions and other suggestions right in these forums. I was using a hardware keyboard on my previous device so it took me a little time to adjust. Now, I'm quite happy with my typing speed even with the stock keyboard.
3. I formatted a 16mb card and inserted it into my HD2 on day one. I have absolutely no problems to report.
4. My HD2 is very stable. I rarely have to do a soft reset even with heavy use. Again, there are utilities like CleanRam that help keep you stable without soft resetting.
5. Yes, but check the accessories threads, I don't which ones work best.
6. I'll leave that one for someone else as I'm not much of a gamer.
hd2 is a very good hardware(big screen, cute looking etc) but has WM OS (worst on the planet). in my opinion go to android phone. HTC EVO4g or Desire dunno but i can say only that the WM sux badly.
and yes its stable if u dont do anything except carrying the phone in pocket and just talk a bit....otherwise will wake up in a nightmare !
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I really wanted to go for an Android device, but since none of them is GSM and has a screen this big, I'm going for the HD2.
Just a few questions:
1. Is the glass screen prone to cracking? Even on gentle drops?
2. How oversensitive is the touchscreen? Can I type as fast as I do on my Nokia E90?
3. Does it have a tendency to corrupt 16GB microSD cards? I've seen some threads around it.
4. How stable is it for daily life usage?
5. Does it work with a bluetooth keyboard?
6. Can you hook up a PS3 bluetooth controller and play FPSce on it?
Thanks to whoever can answer these.
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1. No more than any other screen imo, mine's ben dropped a couple of times onto hard surfaces and it's absolutely fine
2. Can't compare it to the Nokia, but certain aspects are more sensitive than the iphone, but you get used to it after about 30s. You can always change the sensitivity if you're daring enough to tweak the registry
3. I've got a 16GB MicroSD card and touchwood it's been fine. I've got a San Disk one, so maybe if you buy cheaper alternatives it won't like them?
4. It will crash on you/freeze on you fairly regularly, which can be a little frustrating at times.
5 Don't know
6. Don't know, doubt it.
For reason 4, and for the lack of apps I have been contemplating swapping my HD2. It's a shame really, as it's almost worth keeping for the home screen alone. It still amazes me when I switch the phone on and there's this gorgeous home screen with weather animation. I don't think there's a phone that comes close (maybe the EVO 4 but that's not available in the UK). The desire has the same idea, but imo doesn't pull it off anywhere near as well.
My choices at the moment are, stick with the HD2 and put up with the frustrations of it crashing, and generally not being as 'polished' as other phones (eg iphone, desire), get the HTC desire and try not to think about the home screen of the HD2, wait to see what the iphone 4G is going to be like, which is likely to be announced in 3 days time (7th June).
If you want something that works straight out of the box and has plenty of apps, consider the iphone or HTC Desire (although this is android and might not support GSM, which I didn't realise). IF you want a phone that works well with a few tweaks, and has a home screen to die for and you can live without apps (there are some, but really not that great compared to the other markets) then get the HD2. Apparantly though the Desire has a much more vibrant screen which makes photos etc much better than the HD2, and if that's true it must look great as I think the screen on the HD2 is amazing, and much better than the iphone 3G(s). I'm sure the screen on the iphone 4G will be pretty impressive though
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hd2 is a very good hardware(big screen, cute looking etc) but has WM OS (worst on the planet). in my opinion go to android phone. HTC EVO4g or Desire dunno but i can say only that the WM sux badly.
and yes its stable if u dont do anything except carrying the phone in pocket and just talk a bit....otherwise will wake up in a nightmare !
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a typical answer of a WM hater. Sorry i do not agree
the stock roms are not the best, but when you use one of the cooked roms, there are many around, the phone is a pleasure to use, stable and does what it should do. even under heavy usage. A lot of people here on the forum are heavy users and if it was as bad as you describe they would not stay on WM.
hackm0d said:
I really wanted to go for an Android device, but since none of them is GSM and has a screen this big, I'm going for the HD2.
Just a few questions:
1. Is the glass screen prone to cracking? Even on gentle drops?
2. How oversensitive is the touchscreen? Can I type as fast as I do on my Nokia E90?
3. Does it have a tendency to corrupt 16GB microSD cards? I've seen some threads around it.
4. How stable is it for daily life usage?
5. Does it work with a bluetooth keyboard?
6. Can you hook up a PS3 bluetooth controller and play FPSce on it?
Thanks to whoever can answer these.
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6. Yes you can
1. Is the glass screen prone to cracking? Even on gentle drops?
I've dropped mine 3 times, twice off the end of the bed onto hardwood floor and once from chest hight onto a shop floor. No dents, no marks, no cracks. But of course with it having such a large glass screen you'd do well to try your best not to drop it.
2. How oversensitive is the touchscreen? Can I type as fast as I do on my Nokia E90?
Using something like SlideIT or Swype I dare say you could type a lot faster, and there are lots of tweaks to change the sensitivity of the screen to suit your needs.
3. Does it have a tendency to corrupt 16GB microSD cards? I've seen some threads around it.
I've pulled mine in and out numerous times and it's been fine and dandy. If you buy a cheap non branded card you might be looking for trouble, I'm not too sure on it though.
4. How stable is it for daily life usage?
With EnergyROM, it's awesome.
5. Does it work with a bluetooth keyboard?
I use my Mini Dinovo from time to time so that's a big ten-four.
6. Can you hook up a PS3 bluetooth controller and play FPSce on it?
Tada, CobaltController!
karaern said:
hd2 is a very good hardware(big screen, cute looking etc) but has WM OS (worst on the planet). in my opinion go to android phone. HTC EVO4g or Desire dunno but i can say only that the WM sux badly.
and yes its stable if u dont do anything except carrying the phone in pocket and just talk a bit....otherwise will wake up in a nightmare !
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whatever dude....
snerkler said:
You can always change the sensitivity if you're daring enough to tweak the registry
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Your talking about the sensitivity with the keypad....how do you tweak it?
karaern said:
hd2 is a very good hardware(big screen, cute looking etc) but has WM OS (worst on the planet). in my opinion go to android phone. HTC EVO4g or Desire dunno but i can say only that the WM sux badly.
and yes its stable if u dont do anything except carrying the phone in pocket and just talk a bit....otherwise will wake up in a nightmare !
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? ermmmm.... nope.....
1 - Ive dropped mine, only a small drop though but its fine, I also managed to smash it into a fridge screen first and it didnt break, i was very lucky though! I dont advise smashing your phone against a fridge.
2 -The screen is very sensitive but bsb tweaks will solve that problem straight away....
3 - I dont use a 16gb card but the number of threads compared to the amount of people that must use these cards suggests its not a big issue....
4 - I've found it too be pretty damn stable, few hiccups here and there....
5 - Yes
6 - Yes (just dont ask me how) it can be done though.....
Get it, you'll love it.....
karaern said:
hd2 is a very good hardware(big screen, cute looking etc) but has WM OS (worst on the planet). in my opinion go to android phone. HTC EVO4g or Desire dunno but i can say only that the WM sux badly.
and yes its stable if u dont do anything except carrying the phone in pocket and just talk a bit....otherwise will wake up in a nightmare !
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I totally disagree with this. I'm using the phone let's say on nearly heavy usage and using for a week and never had to do a softreset. I'm using many apps and games and no problem with them, just remember to use task manager when finishing with apps.
Many know the fact that for example on your pc by using clean windows your pc is fast and stable, but after installing third party apps it becomes messy. so try to use good apps and your safe from freezing.
Ps. I'm previous user of android and I had many force closes with apps.
best regards. Gjizaqin
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Your talking about the sensitivity with the keypad....how do you tweak it?
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For keypad/typing sensitvity use tweak #91 from the hints and tips and change the number to what suits you best (tiral and error)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=583638
For overall sensitivity use BSB tweaks.
One of the best tweaks for me was #35 from the link above regarding the clickable links in opera without having to zoom in. I actually changed the value to 2 though
gjizaqin said:
. I'm using the phone let's say on nearly heavy usage and using for a week and never had to do a softreset. I'm using many apps and games and no problem with them, just remember to use task manager when finishing with apps.
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You must be one of the lucky ones. I have to use soft reset at least once/week, and I have very few apps/games on my phone, and the ones I do have are very reputable. I even had problems before I installed these. I have done a few tweaks that have stabilised it quite a bit, but it's still not great.
Initially after coming from Android, I found this phone limiting in terms of apps. Also the Google environment is pretty slick.
However, there is nothing that I've wanted to do with this phone that I haven't been able to do: streaming music, gtalk, facebook integration, the list is long.
Some apps are not quite as elegant, but overall I've been pleased with this phone. Sometimes it needs a reset to get back up to speed, but so did my android device. This phone boots so fast, its not an issue for me.
The battery life is awesome. Lasts longer than my Magic did. Everything is so fast with the 1ghz processor. All I have to do is play around with my old phone for a bit to appreciate just how much faster everything is.
One of the pleasant surprises I've had is just how seamlessly it works with my Windows 7 PC. It's like they were made for each other. I forgot about that with Android. The Sense overlay is nice, and once you get to playing with other ROMs, it's hard to get bored.
Now that the EVO is out and the reviews, I'm still happy I bit the bullet with the HD2 and don't feel the need to trade it.
P.S. This thing has mobile hotspot too, and it works great!
first let me start by saying durability is no problem. the guys at tmobile hooked me up with a gel skin included so that soaks up a lot of jarring and dropping. second i have literally taken knives razors and screwdrivers to my screen trying to scratch it and the closest i get is friction smudging that justwipes away. like i said durability no issue. I've had my hd2 since march and I'm in love. it made me drop Verizon. some hd2 downfalls? its a big smudge magnet carry some windex and a rag lol or spend at bucks on smudge covers. i think the coolest feature of hd2 is the auto light detection when i step outside my phone auto adjusts so i can see
Thank you so much everyone, for the replies. But personally, I'm only avoiding Android and Maemo because of (a) the screen size, and (b) the presence of Linux in anything makes my uneasy. Windows Mobile is a lot more homely device for me and I love experimenting with the amazing hardware the HD2 would provide...
Just a few more questions:
7. When you play videos, is there audio/video lag? How bad is it? REALLY worried about this one...
8. How good is the web browser? I want something usable for heavy websites and forum posting.
9. How's the camera and video recording performance?
Thanks in advance, if I get a good response to these, I'm getting the device for sure.
1. Is the glass screen prone to cracking? Even on gentle drops?
Seems pretty study, have dropped mine a couple of times on a hard floor with no problem (only had it a week as well )
2. How oversensitive is the touchscreen? Can I type as fast as I do on my Nokia E90?
Stock ROM might be awful, if you are used to a resistive screen you may get a shock initially but you soon get used to it, get the screen sensitivity fix and the zoomer app and all your troubles will dissipate.
3. Does it have a tendency to corrupt 16GB microSD cards? I've seen some threads around it.
Haven t got one but I haven't seen much about this, I cannot see why it would.
4. How stable is it for daily life usage?
Stick to the more popular ROMS and you will have very few problems, I found the stock very stable, perfectly so to be honest but I wanted more icandy, cookie tab for instance.
5. Does it work with a bluetooth keyboard?
Apparently so but you will have to search XDa to find out which ones
6. Can you hook up a PS3 bluetooth controller and play FPSce on it?
I have seen someone do this on Youtube but I am not sure how this was done, theoretically it should work.
7. When you play videos, is there audio/video lag? How bad is it? REALLY worried about this one...
aha, there has been a lot of talk about this. I came form a Touch HD and the video performace was dreadful. I mainly play hdtv rips of around 700 meg and dvd rips of the same size, none of these played well with my touch Hd but theu play beautifully with my HD2. I am using coreplayer for most video and TCPMP for my Ac3 encoded stuff (if direct drawer doesnt work try GDI with full zoom enabled, leave everything else be, works a treat.
8. How good is the web browser? I want something usable for heavy websites and forum posting.
Slow, all phones are slow at web browsing, we are a long way from getting decent web performance on a phone, that being said with the huge screen it is much better than just about any other phone I have tried.
9. How's the camera and video recording performance?
Surprisingly good I think, then again I am again comparing this to my Touch HD which wasn't great. The Flash is a little harsh at times but daylight pic and vids are really pretty decent for a sub 720p camera.
It should be noted though that this is a tweakers phone, you may find yourself twiddling and tweaking for a long while before you have it how you want it. For me this is exactly what I want from a gadget though, a reason why I would touch a symbian or Iphone with me cats knob.
7 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=658136&highlight=wonderful
8 - The web browsing is superb! You wanna be able to use forums? I'm posting this from my HD2 so I guess it works.
9 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=690706&highlight=wonderful
2. You should try SlideIT and the new Resco beta 6 keyboard; they both work great.
4. Nothing wrong with the stock ROM I use (1.66), but no annoying add ons by my phone company, just a plain 1.66 ROM.
Thanks alot for your feedback.
Just one more thing, how's this compared to the Droid Incredible and the Nexus One?