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Is trinity worse than the diamond?

Hi to All, i would like to post a provocative question since i've seen many of the guru developers moving towards the diamond, and myself I have been considering to move straight away.
Question: Is Trinity worse than Diamond?
My arguments in favour of the Trinity:
Trinity can be expanded with a minisd/microsd card and Diamond cannot
Trinity is quad band and Diamond is Tri-band
Trinity has IrDa and Diamond has not
Trinity has a beautiful one-hand Jog Wheel and Diamond has not
Trinity has today a fantastic mature community offering tens of roms covering different needs
Trinity has 1500 mA battery while Diamond has 900 mA battery
Trinity is cheaper - and you can probably buy three for the price of one diamond!
If you read this, you HAVE a Trinity!!!
On the contrary, the Diamond strengths:
Diamond has a VGA screen, same size of the trinity
Diamond is 6.9 mm thinner
Diamond is 33 grams lighter
Diamond has a 24% faster clock CPU
Diamond has 192 Mb Ram vs. 49 Mb
Diamond is USB 2.0 while trinity is 1.1
Diamond has a built-in FM radio (with headset connected)
Diamond has a 3.1 MPixel camera vs. 1.92 Mpixels
Diamond has an internal accelerometer
By definition, i am cutting corners. However, at the end of the story for people like us with fresh up-to-date roms isn't this the full story?
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=533&id2=1311

some dispointing thing about the diamond :
1- the GPS have lag: for example if you passing under a bridge, your GPS software shows you that you still behind the bridge
2- low battrey life
3- when charging via USB the device got hot
4- when using GPS the device got hot

* If you read this, you HAVE a Trinity!!!
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lol, this was a very good one))

Diamond costs 3 x times of Trinity
I love my Trinity but wish to have a Diamond just because more RAM and VGA screen...

Why Diamond is better(add-on to pzucchel list):
1. The Diamond is quad band now, with a new official firmware update that unlocks the 850mhz.
2. The Diamond does not have a jog wheel, but it has a touch scroll wheel, iPod-style
3. The Diamond has auto-focus camera.
4. The Diamond has a 4GB built-in internal storage
5. The Diamond has a stylus sensor.
6. The Diamond shouts off coolness.
Why Trinity is better(add on to pzucchel list):
1. The Trinity has a proper,working camera button. The Diamond on the other hand, uses a semi-touch process. Touch to focus, press to capture. In theory, its great, but in practice, the touch component sometimes doesn't recognise a touch, so you can't take a picture until you restart the application.
2. The hardware of the Diamond is not properly utilised by default. You have to manually activate some settings or install new applications to maximise their full potential.
3. Too many people unfamiliar with the PDA phone world and not intending to get familiar with it are getting Diamonds because they look cool. Most Trinity users, on the other hand, own a Trinity because they know the features and want and know how to use them. In short, Trinity owners are an exclusive group of people.
4. The Trinity has a more solid feeling power button.
5. The Trinity shouts off professionalism.
6. The Trinity has a better speaker. The Diamond is too sharp.
Why they are the same:
1. They both have back covers that are great fingerprint magnets.
As Aqrab said, the battery life of Diamond is on the short side, and the Diamond gets heated up easily. I haven't really used the GPS yet so no comments on the GPS part.
Personally, I don't think one is better(or worse) than the either. The Diamond has its own strengths and weakness, and so does the Trinity.
I'll gladly use either any day.

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Aqrab said:
3- when charging via USB the device got hot
4- when using GPS the device got hot
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My Trinity also is getting hot (battery side) when using it for a longer time...but not on a USB,only 3G and Internet browsing...

pzucchel said:
Diamond has a VGA screen, same size of the trinity
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Trinity is QVGA (240 x 320) not VGA (480 x 640) as Diamond

Aiuspaktyn said:
Trinity is QVGA (240 x 320) not VGA (480 x 640) as Diamond
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He said Trinity has the same SIZE screen not the same resolution! And he does mention the VGA screen of diamond further above. So stop correcting mistakes that does not exist, only because you haven't read properly the post!

Is it only me or Diamond is extremely slow? I tried it yesterday in the store and the scrolling screen had more miss than hit?
And the "touch" software looks cool but extremely slow? My trinity uses SPB mobile shell and it's a lot more responsive than diamond.
Is diamond now 3-band HSPDA and 4-band GSM?

Upgrading from Kaiser

I've been looking at this phone alot latey as am thinking of upgrading from my beloved Kaiser. Is it worth the upgrade in general. Interested to here your views?

I consider it too.
I would not call it upgrade but CHANGE from "practical" to "eye candy".
However it's not that obvious as it seems:
* no buttons compared to Kaiser - I am so much used to quick shortcuts (internet, messaging, OK button, jog dial, camera, voice speed dial remapped to brightness toggle)
* GPS bug scares me - Kaiser has very good gps (even for walking around), Touch HD may be affected by the same terrible bug as touch pro - without good GPS device is useless for me
* lack of HW keyboard - I can probably live without but sure to miss accuracy of physical buttons
* TouchFlo sucks from practical point of view - I prefer Spb Mobile Shell (I am heavy device user, TouchFlo is nice but not very useful), I would install it on my new HD
* fingerprints - with Kaiser - almost non-existent, with touch HD - fingerprint magnet
* battery life - it's impossible Touch HD lasts longer with the same usage pattern (1350 mAh both devices)
What I do like is:
* device is beatiful (because of no buttons - Kaiser is more like vintage thick-brick "Pocket PC" compared to beatiful Touch HD
* 5 MP camera -- Kaiser camera quality SUCKS, Touch HD should be much better
* SCREEN SCREEN (I still own HP Hx4700 4" VGA - it's so cool display, I miss it)
* performance (no more 2D drivers issue)

I am getting one as soon as it is available.

I would recommend you to READ here first:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=437730
I´m going for it!

rdy2go said:
I consider it too.
I would not call it upgrade but CHANGE from "practical" to "eye candy".
However it's not that obvious as it seems:
* no buttons compared to Kaiser - I am so much used to quick shortcuts (internet, messaging, OK button, jog dial, camera, voice speed dial remapped to brightness toggle)
* GPS bug scares me - Kaiser has very good gps (even for walking around), Touch HD may be affected by the same terrible bug as touch pro - without good GPS device is useless for me
* lack of HW keyboard - I can probably live without but sure to miss accuracy of physical buttons
* TouchFlo sucks from practical point of view - I prefer Spb Mobile Shell (I am heavy device user, TouchFlo is nice but not very useful), I would install it on my new HD
* fingerprints - with Kaiser - almost non-existent, with touch HD - fingerprint magnet
* battery life - it's impossible Touch HD lasts longer with the same usage pattern (1350 mAh both devices)
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Obviously can't get a HD???
I have a kaiser and love it to bits. But to be honest
1) No buttons is a god send, it was the only fault with the kaiser the build quality around the buttons was suspect
2) GPS lag? The HDs not even released yet where did this info come from?
3) Keyboard. Thought this could be an issue also, but realised that i don't ever use my kaiser keyboard anyway and the new software versions are just as good.
4) TF3D. SPB mobile shell sucks! I used the programm for months and it basically made my device slow and how was it you put it 'a finger print magnet!) Touch flo 3d is without a doubt the best phone UI bar the iphones.
5) Fingerprints. Again with SPB ms my kaiser looked like a slug had spent the night on my screen, how do you know that the HD is a finger print magnet, and if it is wipe then of this can't be seen as a bad thing, this is the future!
6) Battery. Battery life on the HD is meant to be very good due to tweaks on the chipset + more advanced software.
To summerise the HD is a year more advanced than the Kaiser so you will be getting a smarter phone. The main thing it lacks compared to the Kaiser is a keyboard, as is well documented there are work arounds for that.
I will be getting the HD.

donbronzi said:
Obviously can't get a HD???
I will be getting the HD.
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You have already decided then.
I was very fascinated with a new device but GPS lag issue (suspected as it is the same chipset as faulty Touch PRo) needs to be resolved or denied before I buy it.
90% I'm buing it when sure GPS won't be an issue.
TouchFlo vs. SpbMobileShell is not so important, because lovers of TF3D will use it, haters (like me) will use alternatives - no one gets hurt

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=437533 -- it stops me from buying it, I need to be 100% sure GPS won't be as faulty as on Touch Pro

rdy2go said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=437533 -- it stops me from buying it, I need to be 100% sure GPS won't be as faulty as on Touch Pro
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Probably will be the same, as they use the same Qualcomm chip with integrated GPS.

rdy2go said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=437533 -- it stops me from buying it, I need to be 100% sure GPS won't be as faulty as on Touch Pro
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Yes sure i will be gettig 1 ASAP!!
I agree that if there is a gps lag problem that would be an issue. However the is no indication that that will be the case other than the chipset, and whether these are purely hardware, or part software, the latter of which can be rectified.
Time will tell but i shouldn't think HTC would let another device out without looking into the GPS issue first?

I wait for the enthusiasts like you to check it
IF you tell me "no GPS lag at all", I'll buy it the very next day.

I wait for the enthusiasts like you to check it
IF you tell me "no GPS lag at all", I'll buy it the very next day.

rdy2go said:
I wait for the enthusiasts like you to check it
IF you tell me "no GPS lag at all", I'll buy it the very next day.
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Good call, it has been a strange device in the way there has been very few thorough pre release reviews. Once mine has arrived i will be sure to inform you on the GPS and anything else you want to know.
Here's hoping!!!!

Oh my ...
This is the deal breaker for me.
Without a good GPS, it is hard to replace my Kaiser!
Although, I dont really like TomTom 7 running on my Kaiser. It is so slow when calculating route!

gogol said:
Oh my ...
This is the deal breaker for me.
Without a good GPS, it is hard to replace my Kaiser!
Although, I dont really like TomTom 7 running on my Kaiser. It is so slow when calculating route!
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Do all the HTC with GPS have this slow calculating process?
I personally use Destinator, but have been using it with O2, Mio and Eten's without any problems. Very quick connection mind you, they use SIRF III GPS chips. I am thinking of changing over to HTC because of the large screen.
I guess I will be watching the reviews about the GPS speeds.
Does anyone know if Destinator software have problems with HTC devices. Shouldn't, but I feel it is good to ask all you HTC users.
Cheers.

I think that slow calculating is TomTom 7 specific issue, at least with my Kaiser.
I dont have that problem with TomTom 6 before.
Probably, TomTom 7 is much more complicated ...
I would use TomTom 6 because its not much different.
globalgpj said:
Do all the HTC with GPS have this slow calculating process?
I personally use Destinator, but have been using it with O2, Mio and Eten's without any problems. Very quick connection mind you, they use SIRF III GPS chips. I am thinking of changing over to HTC because of the large screen.
I guess I will be watching the reviews about the GPS speeds.
Does anyone know if Destinator software have problems with HTC devices. Shouldn't, but I feel it is good to ask all you HTC users.
Cheers.
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Your question is too general.
Kaiser doesn't have problems with GPS - Diamon and Touch Pro are reported to have annoying lag which renders them unusable for driving.
Touch HD uses the same chipset yet many potential buyers hope it's going to be OK this time

Well I've dived in and ordered one. Now the waiting on delevery.

Worth upgrading from Kaiser to HTC HD?

Hi guys I currently have kaiser(MDA Vario III) flashed with custom 6.1 rom loads of extras etc Is it worth the upgrade from the Vario to HTC HD ?
Vario is too thick and I never use the keyboard would like media player but still have all features like sat nav, media player, business stuff like outlook calender etc
I like the touch interface on the custom rom and opera works very very well I still use the stylus though not my finger.
So with the HD do you have a stylus or do you not really require one the interface is very responsive ?
Film or tv ep watching like smooth good quality ?
Out of the box ok or worth flashing with custom ROM ?
Cheapest place I have forund to get the HTC HD is orange contract worth £300 all including phone and 12 month contract.
Any better deals ? like o2 ?Thanks in advance guys

Hi,
I also upgraded from TyTn II which flashed to WM6.1 to Touch HD; The Touch HD obviously is huge improvement compared to TyTn, the system become more responsive (better CPU + RAM), ultra wide display (this is the most tempting), drive mode (once u plug in ur USB to desktop, ur memory card auto-mount).
Most of the time, I still use stylus to do inputting (old habit since Palm III era) instead of 'touch'. The video performance of coz better than TyTn II but a bit slower than Omnia i900.
Yes, it's ok to flash with custom ROM as long u got Hard-SPL.

Also jumped from Tytn II to a HD (via a Touch Pro).
Can highly recommend HD. Only thing I liked about the Omnia was the good sound but the HD also is pretty good.
I found the Touch Pro heavy and small and did not use the mechanical keyboard enough to justify the thickness of the device.
HD seems much more responsive and I rarely get any out of memory problems llike on Tytn.
I'm actually also using TF3D which I dumped when using the Touch Pro because the screen is too small. On the HD the TF3D is not too bad - a lot of eye candy I admit and I have run into various limits of TF3D (like only small number of Stocks, limit to number of visible SMS, etc). But, I generally launch the related App when I want to do real work.
I also use SecondToday with SBSH PocketBreeze as more detailed calendar. And, I have PI8 running very well.

I also jumped from tytn II to HD
Major leap ahead
Everything from music,video,gps is faaaaaaaar better

I went the same way. I miss the keyboard. I also miss being able to put it down to watch my slingstreams without having to find something to lean it against.
Apart from that its a far superior piece of kit in every possible way.

I migrated from the highly modded Tytn II too. On that machine I never have used the keyboard. So when I discovered the HD it was love on first sight. The looks of the HD remembered me of my Palm OS based Sony TH55.
I still own the Tytn II, but can't imagine anymore that I was so fond of it!
Go for the HD and I swear you 'll never look back.
Regards,

k33lin said:
Hi,
I also upgraded from TyTn II which flashed to WM6.1 to Touch HD; The Touch HD obviously is huge improvement compared to TyTn, the system become more responsive (better CPU + RAM), ultra wide display (this is the most tempting), drive mode (once u plug in ur USB to desktop, ur memory card auto-mount).
Most of the time, I still use stylus to do inputting (old habit since Palm III era) instead of 'touch'. The video performance of coz better than TyTn II but a bit slower than Omnia i900.
Yes, it's ok to flash with custom ROM as long u got Hard-SPL.
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I jumped from the ATT Tilt to Touch HD and love it. I couldn't go back to the Tilt now. Screen just looks soo much better. I do like the able to connect as drive instead, makes transfering slightly faster. I also had my Tilt with custom rom. I now have my Touch HD running L26 Rom HD ROM and you don't need to Hard-SPL it, you can do it with USPL, that way you can flash back stock and do send back if nec.

I too am a Kaiser to HD migrator. The clincher for me was the screen resolution, and the HD is amazing. I don't miss the keyboard as much as I thought I would, but I don't have the urge to write a long email with the HD. But texting is fine. Go for it!

Nokia E90 user considering a Touch HD

Hi all,
I have a Nokia E90 and I am considering getting a Touch HD.
I really like my E90 screen, its fantastic for viewing ebooks and the internet but I am finding the email client quite awful and I fancy a change.
Things i like about the E90 - Screen, keyboard, camera (it meets my needs), internal screen is always protected, battery life,
Things i hate about the E90 - Awful email client, no spell checker, default browers is extremely slow (resolved by Opera Mini but no flashlite support).
So how much of an improvement will the Touch HD be from my E90? I have read about GPS lag issues and no support for flashlite with the default browser. The Camera is 5pm, but how will that compare to my E90 considering that the HD doesnt have a flash.
My current contract is up at the end of March so i have some time to decide.

Hey!
I had an e90 a while back when they were just out and i did love the keyboard!
I have a touch HD now and it just feels a better phone, the only problme i can see you having is giving up the keyboard. the HD's does have a decent keyboard and you can get quick quick with it with, but for really long emails 1000+ words it may be annoying, you could aloways buy a b/t keyboard if this will be an issue
The screen is very good for reading pdf's and does scale them quite well, the camera is ok, nothing spectacular, however there may be improvemnts with a new progrma so if camera isnt an issue you wont be wowed but you wont be dissapointed,
As for Flash, some roms have it installed already so that you can watch youtube vids direclty in opera and there is also flashlite avaliable to satisfy your needs
Thanks

can you view embedded videos from the BBC website with these roms?

ive just tried and it says that i dont have teh correct plugins, this may be an easy thing to solve though
Iplayer does work but you need to change a few things so thats always a plus

silly question time.....how do you lock the screen when your in touch flo? I have seen older windows mobile devices before the invention of touch flo and i could have the screen lock option on the today screen.
What about the LED notification, i believe its a very small light by the power screen, is that sufficent enough? Does the device wake up from standby when you receive a new email/sms?
Can outlook mobile read HTML emails?
Finally, what is the alarm function like? On my E90, i can set the alarm and power down the device. The phone then turns on automatically to sound the alarm.

you can pretty much lock the screen by pressing the power button on the top, then the devices doesnt do anyting till you tap the power button again,
there are popular programs like slide2unlock which gives this process a bit smoother iphoneesque look.
the LED is small but it doenst particulary bother me since i hear or feel it when a new message arrives anyway, i beleive tehre is a fix so that the device wakes up on email/message
Not sure if outlook mobile read HTML emails but i would assume so being a microsoft phone!
Yeah the alarm is teh same as the e90, you can even make it sound the alrm tone if the device is in silent mode, again there are 3rd partsy apps on here avaliabel for free which allow more customisation

excellent. Now my options are to stick with T-mobile and get the Touch Pro or move over to O2 and get the Touch HD.
Touch HD looks like the better of the two devices especially as i am going from the large E90 screen.
How does the pictures from the HD look? Im alittle worried as there is no flash.

in daylght there very nice,
sometimes in the dark the focus doenst work great, but is still ok
Its prob on par with the e90 if my memory serves me correct

sounds like the HD has all the ticks in the right place for me.
Oh, another question. The Touch HD supports HSDPA at 7.3 odd, im sure this is faster then the E90.
Is the internet on the Touch HD considerably faster then the E90?

yeah it supports HSPDA up to 7.2 mbit, so you get roughly 850k a sec actual download speeds, browisng is pretty nippy on the device, much faster than the e90 which used to take an age to start,
Opera mini is best for mobile surfing as i has quite a nice interface,
It depends weather 02 actually offer and allow you to use 7.2mbps though!

so opera mini on the HD is better then the supplied opera brower? I have mini on my E90 and it doesnt support flashlite.
Thats a good point, i will need to double check with O2 about the speeds!

I dont' know about the camera of the E90, but my wife has got an N95 and it takes WAAAY better pictures than the HD...

I've also owned the E90 before switching to the HD. The only thing I missed was:
- camera on E90 is better (better shuttertime settings)

One of the things that I didn't consider was battery life. I use push Exchange email, and my E90 (and E71) lasted me about 1.5 days. With the Touch HD I get around 18-20 hours (not even 1 day!). If I use browsing or calling a little more than what I normally do, the battery lasts me about 15 hours. Hence, please look at your usage pattern as well.
This is the only negative on an otherwise very good phone based on my utilization pattern. The other nice-to-have would be that the power button is currently too small and too flush with the phone. Either it could have been larger, or it could have been placed to come out of the phone like a button.

Those are very low numbers, my E90 lasted as one of the longest of all phones I've used, sometimes over 4 days.
For the HD, the battery life is far less. However, i've installed SPB PhoneSuite, which enables you to switch of connections at night and saving a lot of battery life.

I had an e90 before the hd and have to say atm its the better device,particularly out of the box.
take away the obvious selling point of the hd screen its a lot less work to enjoy the nokia.
im really enjoying the hd but the e90 was the superior device for me. battery, camera,operation and speed were all way ahead for a business phone. in fact the only drawbacks for me were the weight, no 'cool' touchscreen, and as you say, certain email restrictions.
if you're willing to put the time in I doubt you'll regret the hd but it could depend how well you can adjust without a great physical keyboard and currently a poor camera.

Guys i have some more questions regarding the Touch HD.
I really like my current alarm system on the Nokia E90. I set my alarm and then turn the phone off, the E90 then turns on by itself and sounds the alarm (which is pretty dam loud and vibration is VERY strong).
Question: What is the alarm like on the Touch HD? Will i be able to turn the device off and have it turn on by itself to sound the alarm?
Another question i have is in relation to the calendar nofication on touch flo. How many advanced calendar notifications are displayed on the first tab of touch flo? Can this be changed or altered? Also are tasks displayed?
Third and final question, my brother let me take a look at his HTC Kaiser and the camera application was just awful. It was extremely slow to refresh and it was jerking all over the place. Is this the case with the Touch HD?
Thanks,
c

The camera on the touch HD is really lame. There's no hardware button, so when you push the button on screen there's up to a 3 - 5 second delay before the picture's actually taken!! By that time the subject of the picture has far gone lol.
I've got a Touch HD and i'm thinking of going to the E90. I know the nokia is 2 years old now and it does bother me to "downgrade" but i really like the look of the e90!
Are you in the UK? Maybe we could organise a week swap or somethin?

I would go for the E 71 if I were you ,it has a good keyboard,excellent battery and is much easier to use and smaller than the E 90.I have one as a replacement for an HTC Diamond ,the battery lasts 3 times more and the hard keys do everything ....maybe in a not so cool way but they are far more practical.

Gatecra5her said:
The camera on the touch HD is really lame. There's no hardware button, so when you push the button on screen there's up to a 3 - 5 second delay before the picture's actually taken!! By that time the subject of the picture has far gone lol.
I've got a Touch HD and i'm thinking of going to the E90. I know the nokia is 2 years old now and it does bother me to "downgrade" but i really like the look of the e90!
Are you in the UK? Maybe we could organise a week swap or somethin?
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Wait for the N97! Very E90 like but much improved and new features.
I also own a E90 and Touch HD. Touch HD felt first pretty sluggish and not so business oriented. But now with cooked rom and manilla disabled (I use Spb Mobile Shell, imho much better for business use), its a much better device than before.
I hate the text input, i think its propably 3x slower and 5x more fustrating to write emails with it. Also camera sucks and its pretty much useless inside buildings, compared to E90.
Im eagarly waiting for the N97, will propably swap my E90 to that one.

worth getting the touch?

Hi all,
I gave my mrs my old 02 Orbit the other day so she could use the tomtom on it (it was such a great phone I couldn't bring my self to sell it so it's been sitting in it's box for 2 years). She's now falen in love with WM and loves all the apps that you can get for it (brain training etc etc).
but, being an old phone it's low on memory etc, and she wants a pink one (I know...but she's a girl, what can I do)
so, we had a look around yesterday and didn't really find anything she liked, so she was thinking that maybe an omnia would work. Thing is, the omina is fairly big and has a non standard screen size.
So, I'm thinking that maybe the touch would be a good phone for her (I can customise it with a pink skin).
what are peoples thoughts of it?
I've got a touch HD but that's just a bit too big for her, and she isn't a fan of the diamond.

i am big fan of sony ericsson phone..reason i culd customize each and everythn accor to my needs..unfortunately due to work i had to purchase a WM..elfin was my first WM..first i thought i missed the customization like in SE..but after i came here and heard of all the custo i am amazed..elfin can handle anythn and evrythn..i wuld say to close ur eyes and go for this.

ok..is there an easy way of differentiating the array of versions? some have 64 MB some have 128, some have GPS, some appear to not have this etc etc
should I be looking for a model number? or is it as simple as one is a Touch, and the other is a Touch 3G?

the flavors in touch are,
Touch P3450 - Called as Elf 64/128 RAM/ROM size
Touch P3452 - Called as Elfin 128/256 RAM/ROM size
Touch 3G - Dunno the model number and technical term..but this version of Touch as 3G as per the name itself, dunno the size of RAM/ROM.
P3452 is the enhanced version of P3450 in regards to RAM/ROM.
AFAIK, the above specs are true..if some1 find it false, please advice the thread starter.

there is also touch viva which is similar to touch elf htc p3450, with newer rom and looks more modern. Inside the same, outside not similar nad what is the most important - touch viva is more expensive.
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If not htc, try to find asus p552w. It's small and powerful.