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Cingular 8525 - Can we disable GPRS/EDGE and use only Wi-Fi ?

Is it possible to setup the 8525 so that it only connects to internet through Wi-Fi and not any of the other options? Based on some threads, it looked like Cingular has disabled this option, but I am not quite sure. Thanks.

The only way I was able to do it was to call Cingular Tech and have them disable the GPRS on their end, now if I go to PIE and the WiFi is off, the GPRS/EDGE Connection pop-up opens, then I get an error message saying the network could not be found and a dismiss icon....
The only way it will connect to IE is through WiFi now.

ringostar said:
Is it possible to setup the 8525 so that it only connects to internet through Wi-Fi and not any of the other options? Based on some threads, it looked like Cingular has disabled this option, but I am not quite sure. Thanks.
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if you go to settings then connection and delete the connection settings for gprs it will not connect and you can use wifi only

however i seem to keep getting gprs not connected error if i do so?

I'm having the same problem. I'm totally green to the high tech world. Heck this is my first attempt at anything greater than using my calculator function in a phone So if someone could walk me through what I need to do to set my phone up so I can connet through wifi i would reaaaally appreciate it.
I had Cingular put me on the no data plan (not even pay per use). In case that makes a difference.
Thanks in advance for the help.

All I did was go in to the connection settings and change the User name and Password. I do not get any error messages stating the network cannot be found. I get a login screen with User/Pass and Domain. I just click cancel and it drops back to IE.
Now I do not have to worry about accidentally connecting to their service.

well,we can very much achieve it -- In the internet settings in connections,select both of them to My ISP,edit it to nowap.cingular.com
Make sure setting is set to Internet,not work!
I did it and I use only wifi all the time!!

The previous solutions are not really workable for me since I don't want to delete my cellular data connection, I just want to be able to turn it on and off as I choose. With Windows Live, I can have a Wifi connection and turn off cellular data in the comm manager screen and it will just open the cellular connection again.
A hack to turn off the "auto connect" for the cellular data would be great. Make it like the BT or WIFI, where I have to go to the comm screen and turn it on. That choice would be great.
Anyhow, I am thinking of making the Work connection as the default, then deleting all work connections. Then when I actually want a cellular data connection, I could manually select it and say connect. I'm not sure if the applications will close it and try the work connection again or not. I will try it and post again, probably tomorrow.
MM

This works wonders:
http://www.benrichards.co.uk/?p=180
ETA: This is what I have been using to deal with gprs autoconnect on my 8525 and it's perfect for my uses. You just start the program and toggle on or off the data connections.

Gprs Disable
It really works thanks for your research

Two easy questions from a Wizard Noob :)

I was wondering how to turn off the slide control on TouchFlo so that the phone stays "open" after it hibernates.
Also, whenever I want to connect to WiFi at home, it asks for the password... how can I save the encryption key inside the phone?
Thanks!

Ok I figured out the 2 questions and came up with 1 more. I clicked around the phone and clicking on iLock turns off the slider. And the encryption key seems to be saved now.
When I go to IE, however, it will try to connect through GPRS, even though I don't have it. How can I delete GPRS from the phone (will never use it) or disable it and make it use WiFi first?
Thanks!

Do a search, there are threads on disabling GPRS. You need to manually start wifi. IE will then use wifi even if GPRS is configured.

schmenge said:
Do a search, there are threads on disabling GPRS. You need to manually start wifi. IE will then use wifi even if GPRS is configured.
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Comm manager shows Wifi on. Settings->WiFi shows connected. The WiFi icon is alive and kicking at the top of the screen. And it still goes only for GPRS

Can you verify that wifi is actually working by getting out vis some other application (like email)? What specific device do you have (8125, Qtek, etc.)?

Network selection hierachy - Wifi vs GPRS (Kaiser)

When I'm in the house (and assuming I've got the wifi switched on on the Tytn 2), how do I get it to use the Wifi to access the Web as a first option?
Even when its connected to my wireless LAN (which it does with no problems at all - much better than my old Wizzard), if I launch Explorer it automatically makes a GPRS connection. The only way to force it to use the Wifi seems to be to turn the Phone off in the comm manager - which then means I can't receive any calls.
I can't find any setting that dicates the network hierachy i.e. that says if there is a Wireless LAN connection then don't bother with GPRS, or if there isn't, then use GPRS.
I seem to recall there was something similar on desktop Windoze where you could have it automatically use a dial up connection if there was no LAN available.
Can anyone help?

Iain.m said:
When I'm in the house (and assuming I've got the wifi switched on on the Tytn 2), how do I get it to use the Wifi to access the Web as a first option?
Even when its connected to my wireless LAN (which it does with no problems at all - much better than my old Wizzard), if I launch Explorer it automatically makes a GPRS connection. The only way to force it to use the Wifi seems to be to turn the Phone off in the comm manager - which then means I can't receive any calls.
I can't find any setting that dicates the network hierachy i.e. that says if there is a Wireless LAN connection then don't bother with GPRS, or if there isn't, then use GPRS.
I seem to recall there was something similar on desktop Windoze where you could have it automatically use a dial up connection if there was no LAN available.
Can anyone help?
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I'm now getting the same thing using Emoze - the thing is sitting here connected to the Wifi & will sync mail & contacts etc over the wifi quite happily - but as soon as I try & send mail from the handheld it starts up not one but two GPRS connections (!) Much the same as if I try & get a web page up - it automatically goes to GPRS as its default route to the internet despite that fact that its already connected via wifi & the only way to stop this behaviour seems to be to switch the phone off in Comm Manager.
Seems to be something inherrantly odd about the way the Tytn 2 is deciding what network connection is available & which it should use. It looks like it needs a little control application to sit between the IP stack & the hardware so that when a request comes it can be routed according to user preference - i.e. Use WIfi if available, Only use GPRS etc The Wifi doesn't seem to fire up a connection when it feels like it - only the GPRS. Do all the HTC devices with WIfi behave this way?
In the meantime, does anyone know of a simple way to turn off/disable GPRS without disabling the phone?
WHile I have plenty of GPRS data allowance in my package when I'm in the house at my desk (or anywhere else I can get a wifi connection) I'd rather it just used the Wifi to sync itself or if I decided call up a web page.
Besides, it interferes with the hi-fi speakers in my study with that annoying buzzing noise everytime the GPRS gets busy.
I.

Hi guys,
I use 3 different wifi networks during the course of a day, well 2 a day, 3 through out the week probably. Home/Work/Friends house
I have a very small data package (5mb) so i am very choosy about when I use my data connection!
Anyways, did some testing.
I already know that if I have no wifi, no data connection on, then I try and start outlook or Internet Explorer, then my data connection starts up (as it should)
now if i have my data connection on, then i turn on wifi on the phone, the wifi connection takes over and the data connection is not being used, even though it's on.
I also have no problems with when wifi is on and data is off, and if i goto outlook or IE, that gprs decides to go on. this does not happen tome (unless for some strange reason wifi cuts out, gprs tries to take over)
So i dont know if its something with your settings or not, maybe your phone goes to sleep and wifi turns off then gprs takes over, or i could be misunderstanding your question, because now that I think about it, perhaps you are asking something like..
- at home no wifi or data connection is active at that moment
- you navigate to a page in IE and instead of gprs turning on, wifi turns on/scans for lan and uses that
Yeah, that's probably waht you are asking.. haha yahoo for long winded useless post
If you figure it out, i want to know! lol

Iain.m said:
I'm now getting the same thing using Emoze - the thing is sitting here connected to the Wifi & will sync mail & contacts etc over the wifi quite happily - but as soon as I try & send mail from the handheld it starts up not one but two GPRS connections (!) Much the same as if I try & get a web page up - it automatically goes to GPRS as its default route to the internet despite that fact that its already connected via wifi & the only way to stop this behaviour seems to be to switch the phone off in Comm Manager.
Seems to be something inherrantly odd about the way the Tytn 2 is deciding what network connection is available & which it should use. It looks like it needs a little control application to sit between the IP stack & the hardware so that when a request comes it can be routed according to user preference - i.e. Use WIfi if available, Only use GPRS etc The Wifi doesn't seem to fire up a connection when it feels like it - only the GPRS. Do all the HTC devices with WIfi behave this way?
In the meantime, does anyone know of a simple way to turn off/disable GPRS without disabling the phone?
WHile I have plenty of GPRS data allowance in my package when I'm in the house at my desk (or anywhere else I can get a wifi connection) I'd rather it just used the Wifi to sync itself or if I decided call up a web page.
Besides, it interferes with the hi-fi speakers in my study with that annoying buzzing noise everytime the GPRS gets busy.
I.
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You should be able to use the comm manager to turn off the data connection, but as for keeping it off permanently, until you decide you want it to be even allowed to be active again maybe you can try this, it should disable your connection until you see fit.
http://www.modaco.com/content/Pocket-PC-Software/246171/New-FREE-Utility/

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You should be able to use the comm manager to turn off the data connection, but as for keeping it off permanently, until you decide you want it to be even allowed to be active again maybe you can try this, it should disable your connection until you see fit.
http://www.modaco.com/content/Pocket-PC-Software/246171/New-FREE-Utility/
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Great little utility , thanks very much for pointing that out - it at least allows me to do what I want manually - i.e. use my wifi without having to turn the phone off.
Although I know you can disconnect GPRS from the Comm manager, it also doesn't seem to have an idle time out so once an application (like Emoze) has started it up it keeps running in the background. Also, as soon as you turn it off, inevitably Emoze turns it straight back on! The NoData application gives much more control so thanks for that.
I do go abroad reasonably often so also happy to be able to use it for its primary purpose of disabling GPRS whilst roaming to avoid silly charges
It would be great if HTC could build a bit more intelligence and control into the network side of these things though.
I.

You may want to look into Schaps Advanced Config or KaiserTweak for wifi/gprs settings.
You can set timers and disconnects, etc, with those applications.

Iain.m said:
When I'm in the house (and assuming I've got the wifi switched on on the Tytn 2), how do I get it to use the Wifi to access the Web as a first option?
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The Good News: I fixed this behavior on the phone w/o any 3rd-party utilities, etc.
The Bad News: I'm not 100% sure how. :-/ My apologies. Here is what I think did it:
Make sure your browser is closed and you have no open data connections.
1- Open the Wireless Manager and make sure "WLAN" is on and "Data Connection" is off.
2- Go to Start>Settings and choose the "Connections" tab along the bottom.
3- Open "Wireless LAN," choose your home wireless network, and make sure you're actively connected to it (should see a signal quality meter, device network settings, etc).
4- Close "Wireless LAN" and while "Settings" is still open and on the "Connections" tab, open "Wi-Fi." Your list of known Wi-Fi networks should be showing: make sure your home network says "connected."
5- Close everything back out to your "Today" screen.
When my Tilt is set this way -- and actively connected to my WLAN -- the Wireless Manager grays out "Data Connections" and doesn't even respond if I tap the icon. IE automatically uses my WLAN, although it won't connect to some of its pre-loaded favs b/c, I think, they're on WAP servers and the Wi-Fi/NAT router assigns/negotiates TCP/IP protocols for your phone.
I think now I accomplish all the above by simply opening the keyboard and pressing the FN/Wi-Fi key.
FYI -- In truth, I solved this problem by installing Opera Mobile and setting it as my default browser. Opera Mobile is a full browser, i.e. doesn't use WAP.
Hope this helps. If not, sorry for this 5 minutes of your life you'll never get back. :-/
gT

turn off autoconnect of data connection

i just got this prepaid sim, that charges per MB that i use, and i have the APN, so i make a new connection, fill in the user name and password, and then i just connect, but when i want to stop using it, i go in communication manager, and turn off the data connection, but a bit later i realize that it turned back on... i want to prevent that.
and second thing i wanna ask is, they offered me "high speed" connection, suposedly 3G, when i want to use the internet on my phone, i just open a browser and it connects and i start browsing, will it use the 3G automatically? cause when i go to comunication manager i only see "data connection" turned "on"

ibsa03 said:
i just got this prepaid sim, that charges per MB that i use, and i have the APN, so i make a new connection, fill in the user name and password, and then i just connect, but when i want to stop using it, i go in communication manager, and turn off the data connection, but a bit later i realize that it turned back on... i want to prevent that.
and second thing i wanna ask is, they offered me "high speed" connection, suposedly 3G, when i want to use the internet on my phone, i just open a browser and it connects and i start browsing, will it use the 3G automatically? cause when i go to comunication manager i only see "data connection" turned "on"
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Hi ibsa03,
when the wifi signal is weak, your PDA will automatically connect to 3G.
I would advise you to change your Data Connection settings as you can disable them via the NoData/Dial-up EnabledDisabler program (search forum for the links to these programs for download or check your current ROM to see if it's already cooked in) to disable 3G.

As Mastoid said use NoData to toggle off data connection when you don't want to use it

thanks! im gonna try it out now.
as to the other doubt i had.. if i start browsing without the 3G turned on, what will my maximum speed be? using a 3G network coverage that is..

You might try using MonteCristoff's HD Tweak (search forums for it)... it has option to set autodisconnect timer (and yeah, it works).
As to your last question, depends how your device is set. If it has band autoselect, it'll try to use highest speed possible... meaning, HSDPA/HUSPA if available by network (and you write it is).
Othervise, if you force GSM/disable 3G, it will use EDGE or other highest GSM speed...

excellent
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As Mastoid said use NoData to toggle off data connection when you don't want to use it
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Thanks alot! i was thinking that robery from Orange have no cure!

Data Connection Always Connected

I am not sure if this is even a problem, but before today my data connection to t-mobile would only connect when needed. For instance, if I was home then I would be connected to wifi and my data connection would turn off by itself, but would still connect if needed by a program, or whatever, that can't use wifi but needed the data connection instead. Like when I sent a MMS message for example. Then after the message was sent or whenever the program was done with the data connection then it would automatically disconnect where I would continue to use the wifi connection. Also, if I left the house then I would automatically be switched to the data connection as the wifi signal went out of range.
This is the way I liked it. Today it had changed the way it behaves. Now, the data connection stays on no matter what and I have to manually turn it off in the comm manager. Also, everytime the screen turns off and the device goes into sleep mode, or whatever you call it, the data connection automatically turns backs on while it is sleeping. For example, when I go to sleep I press the red hang up button to put it in sleep mode then I go to sleep. When I wake up in the morning the data connection is on and when I go to turn it off it shows it has been connected for however long I was asleep for.
Like I said I am not sure if this is a big deal or not, I just don't want to be charged for going over the data cap for some reason. And I am not sure if maybe there is a program in the background that might not be showing up in the task manager and is downloading data that will eventually cost me when it goes over the cap.
Now I know that certain things automatically connect to download data like mail, weather, stocks, twitter, etc., but I always thought that they could use a wifi connection if available. And if not then I know for sure that it used to at least disconnect the data connection after it was done.
I am basically asking if this is normal because it used to not be like this on my phone and if it is something I need to.be worried about? Also, if anyone knows how to change it back to the way it used to be? I would greatly appreciate it if you let me know how to do it.
Thanks,
Michael

Anyone?
All I want to know is if it is normal to always have the data connection on. So does anyone else experience this? The data connection seems to reconnect by itself everytime the phone goes in standby and stays connected until I manually disconnect it.
Thanks,
Michael

Hey I just happen to have similar problem with the data connection turning on by itself when I check email on my wifi.
If you goto comm manager - menu - connections - advanced
Under "select which networks are automatically" - select networks
Change the connection type under "programs that automatically connect to the internet..." to your wifi connection from "t-mobile data."
Seems to work for me at the moment anyways. It's not connecting automatically to data connection when I check my emails.

Hi Michael.
It's actually the default behavior for the data connection to stay on once it's activated, until it's switched off manually. You won't pass significantly more data that way than if you just turned it off right after whatever app(s) are doing using it...the only downside to leaving it on is the speed at which it drains the battery.
There are some users who choose to leave it on, just to avoid the delay when they want to use it, and there's probably tons more who don't even have any idea you might want to turn it off when not in use.
Now I could swear there's a cab floating around here somewhere that will shut off the data connection once it sits idle for 60 seconds, but I didn't turn it up in a casual search the other day, so I can't point you to it right now
As for the apps using wifi when it's available instead of calling up a data connection, every one you mentioned should do that, and those all behave that way for me...so maybe there's something else you haven't thought of yet that ignores wifi when it connects to update or whatever. I would start by turning off auto updating for any and all of those services you listed, and see if the issue persists. If so, you'll need to dig deeper to find the culprit. Do you have microsoft myphone connecting to backup maybe? That seems to ignore wifi on my phone, I'm sure there's other apps that do as well.

Today it actually quit doing it for some reason. So I have no idea why it did that for awhile. Now I read that some people were having the opposite problem, which was that they couldn't get their connection to stay on. Now, this is actually the way I want it. Oh well, I hope it stays this way now.
Thanks for your help,
Michael