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X1 - New Firmware

I am so proud of Sony Ericsson.
You know... Half of the company is from Sweden, where I live!!!
I just updated the phone to the new firmware. And I am almost shivering from proudness.
In ONLY FOUR MONTHS Sony Ericsson managed to make the Opera browser the default web browser on the phone. I can't believe how incredibly good they are!!!
I haven't notice anything else though, but oh my god... Isn't this more than enough to accomplish in ONLY FOUR MONTHS?
Anyone complaining on Sony Ericssson have to answer before me. I absolutely adore them. They are unbelievably good.
Anyone... Please don't tell me they managed to do anything else. I don't think I could take it. Making Opera the default browser almost made me faint. If you say something else was fixed too, I think I will die.
/Michael

Rodin69 said:
I am so proud of Sony Ericsson.
You know... Half of the company is from Sweden, where I live!!!
I just updated the phone to the new firmware. And I am almost shivering from proudness.
In ONLY FOUR MONTHS Sony Ericsson managed to make the Opera browser the default web browser on the phone. I can't believe how incredibly good they are!!!
I haven't notice anything else though, but oh my god... Isn't this more than enough to accomplish in ONLY FOUR MONTHS?
Anyone complaining on Sony Ericssson have to answer before me. I absolutely adore them. They are unbelievably good.
Anyone... Please don't tell me they managed to do anything else. I don't think I could take it. Making Opera the default browser almost made me faint. If you say something else was fixed too, I think I will die.
/Michael
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Cynic enough???
Here's what has changed:
Here are some things that have been noticed so far with this update.
The device now boots faster.
Faster menus - switching tabs in settings is quicker.
Programs launch quicker and file explorer is quick in loading folders.
The Vodafone ROM update (not sure if others have this) includes a couple of other additional trial games including Bubble Bash, Block Breaker Deluxe, and Tetris Mania.
Bluetooth Problem reported to be fixed. (I didn’t face any bluetooth problems with the old software and am not facing any now.)
Wi-Fi bug fixed.
Panel animation is a bit smoother but still laggy on switching from portrait to landscape and vice versa. Overall a faster panels experience.
Video playback has improved a lot! CP benchmark on a video resulted in 90-92% on the old ROM and is now increased to 98%.
Word prediction in most text-boxes.
Media Panel improvements including; music indexing is a lot faster, image scrolling is almost as smooth as it should be, changing tracks show information about the track at the bottom of the screen, and most importantly it now only shows pictures from the My Pictures and Camera folders on the main and internal storage – say goodbye to all those images from program files and windows showing up.
Camera improvements include faster focus lock and more stable focus. Preview is also smoother and introduces a new setting letting you define the frame rate to use for the video to shoot.
Furthermore, I think they updated the 3D drivers too. TouchFlo 3D is running way smooth - especially the Pictures and Media tabs! (flicking through pictures and music is quick and smooth) + Slide2Play is performing much better with this new updated ROM; quicker and smoother movement in landscape, switches album/song images correctly on song change, and so on.
http://xperiancer.blogspot.com/2009/01/xperia-software-update.html

initially when i just flashed the new firmware it was noticeably faster. boots faster and faster file system. used to take 8 secs to open /windows folder and after flash took just 2 secs!
but now after reinstalling my apps, the file system speed has decreased back to that of the old firmware. still boots faster tho.

i have reported that my x1 is very fast but i dont have new firmware installed yet..
i want to ask you how to install the new ROM? i got the new ROM from the pavel and download it in rapid share.

msalmank said:
Cynic enough???
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I'm not sure I am able to be cynic enough. But I sure tried.
msalmank said:
The device now boots faster.
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According to some, maybe. For me it booted in about 55 seconds before, and so it does now.
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Faster menus - switching tabs in settings is quicker.
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It might be. I don't see the difference though, but that might be becuase it doesn't matter much to me. There are other things more important.
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Programs launch quicker and file explorer is quick in loading folders.
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Yes, I agree. Loading the Windows Folder seems a lot faster. But still, that isn't something the average user does several times a day.
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The Vodafone ROM update (not sure if others have this) includes a couple of other additional trial games including Bubble Bash, Block Breaker Deluxe, and Tetris Mania.
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I actually have no clue.
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Bluetooth Problem reported to be fixed. (I didn’t face any bluetooth problems with the old software and am not facing any now.)
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Maybe, maybe not. I've seen reports saying there is no difference in this area. I haven't tried it myself yet, so I can't tell.
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Wi-Fi bug fixed.
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I never notice that one myself. So I can't say it's better or worse.
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Panel animation is a bit smoother but still laggy on switching from portrait to landscape and vice versa. Overall a faster panels experience.
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According to some users maybe. I can't say I see any difference at all.
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Video playback has improved a lot! CP benchmark on a video resulted in 90-92% on the old ROM and is now increased to 98%.
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Well... 90-92% up to 98% isn't really A LOT. I've tried two WMV videos though and think they might have been a bit more fluid than before. But as far as I can tell the difference is not that incredible.
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Word prediction in most text-boxes.
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If this is the case, that's good. I haven't seen it yet.
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Media Panel improvements including; music indexing is a lot faster, image scrolling is almost as smooth as it should be, changing tracks show information about the track at the bottom of the screen, and most importantly it now only shows pictures from the My Pictures and Camera folders on the main and internal storage – say goodbye to all those images from program files and windows showing up.
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Well, that was a really good improvement. I still would have liked to be able to chose folders for images myself, but this was a step in the right direction.
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Camera improvements include faster focus lock and more stable focus. Preview is also smoother and introduces a new setting letting you define the frame rate to use for the video to shoot.
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I see the framrate option. But I can't confirm it really works. As a matter of fact, I even don't know what to expect. I didn't get 30 fps before, and I'm sceptic I will get it now. But of course I may be wrong here.
As for preview and faster focus lock, I can't tell the difference from before. For me it's about the same.
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Furthermore, I think they updated the 3D drivers too. TouchFlo 3D is running way smooth - especially the Pictures and Media tabs! (flicking through pictures and music is quick and smooth) + Slide2Play is performing much better with this new updated ROM; quicker and smoother movement in landscape, switches album/song images correctly on song change, and so on.
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Again, I can't tell the difference. I doubt Sony Ericsson had in mind that you should use TF3D. So the possbible improvements in using TF3D is irrelevelant to me. Maybe it's faster for other applications using 3D, but I haven't tried them yet and thus can't tell.
One of the most annoying bugs is not fixed.
That does not apply to you using english keyboard. But for me, using the swedish letters Å, Ä and Ö it does.
Those keys seems to be implemented after all "normal" keys. So where all other keys seems to get into a keyboard buffer when you type them, the special swedish characters are written immediately to the screen. That means when I write a swedish sentence that should look like "Jag ska försöka träffa dig innan mötet." instead looks lite "Jag skaö fröska ätrffa dig innaön mtet."
That is, in my opinion a HUGE bug, which they should have focused on before doing anything else.
Regards,
Michael

@Michael, did you bother to tell them about your HUGE bug?

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@Michael, did you bother to tell them about your HUGE bug?
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Yes of course I did. October 24 I mailed them about this problem.
Should have been enough time for anyone with some competence to fix it.
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As a matter of fact I've mailed SE 24-25 mails on different matters on the phone. Most of them might be specific to the operating system which SE has no control over, but for me as a customer that really doesn't matter. But the response I've got was just that, freely translated from swedish: "SE has no direct control over the issues since that is a Windows Mobile specific matter".
They even told me that about the Radio Panel.
Do you understand why I am a bit upset?
I like the phone even though it still has some issues, but I really can't stand Sony Ericssons ignorance.

msalmank said:
Here are some things that have been noticed so far with this update.
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Oh, and by the way...
Why should people even have to "notice" differences between firmwares?
We should be informed about the changes without having to guess what's fixed, and what's not.
It is our equipment, and it's our time and efforts we put in it to try to see if we get any improvments. We shouldn't have to do that. SE should give us information on what is done so we could decide for ourselves if the update might be needed or not.
/Michael

wow..
yes it's annoying.
no you don't get better help when sending 25 emails in a few months.
welcome to the world of consumer electronics!
Why do you think that the iphone doesn't have a copy/paste function after the product has been on the market for 2+ years?
they don't give a **** .. you paid already
I think some ppl here have fixed some issues regarding swedish key press's.
not sure but try to search.. have seen some stuff come by.. but I don't need it so forgot where.
good luck

Just tried to update on the SEUS (sony ericsson) and it didn't work. Said It was already up to date. When I check my rom version it is NOT the new version

Rodin69 said:
Oh, and by the way...
Why should people even have to "notice" differences between firmwares?
We should be informed about the changes without having to guess what's fixed, and what's not.
It is our equipment, and it's our time and efforts we put in it to try to see if we get any improvments. We shouldn't have to do that. SE should give us information on what is done so we could decide for ourselves if the update might be needed or not.
/Michael
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I agree 100% to that.

Rodin69 said:
I'm not sure I am able to be cynic enough. But I sure tried.
According to some, maybe. For me it booted in about 55 seconds before, and so it does now.
It might be. I don't see the difference though, but that might be becuase it doesn't matter much to me. There are other things more important.
Yes, I agree. Loading the Windows Folder seems a lot faster. But still, that isn't something the average user does several times a day.
I actually have no clue.
Maybe, maybe not. I've seen reports saying there is no difference in this area. I haven't tried it myself yet, so I can't tell.
I never notice that one myself. So I can't say it's better or worse.
According to some users maybe. I can't say I see any difference at all.
Well... 90-92% up to 98% isn't really A LOT. I've tried two WMV videos though and think they might have been a bit more fluid than before. But as far as I can tell the difference is not that incredible.
If this is the case, that's good. I haven't seen it yet.
Well, that was a really good improvement. I still would have liked to be able to chose folders for images myself, but this was a step in the right direction.
I see the framrate option. But I can't confirm it really works. As a matter of fact, I even don't know what to expect. I didn't get 30 fps before, and I'm sceptic I will get it now. But of course I may be wrong here.
As for preview and faster focus lock, I can't tell the difference from before. For me it's about the same.
Again, I can't tell the difference. I doubt Sony Ericsson had in mind that you should use TF3D. So the possbible improvements in using TF3D is irrelevelant to me. Maybe it's faster for other applications using 3D, but I haven't tried them yet and thus can't tell.
Regards,
Michael
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As for the biggest BUG you are facing, i can't say much about that - since it doesn't realy apply to me, as you too pointed out. But maybe you should try flashing on a non-Swedish ROM and see how that goes? For definitely all the points i highlighted are pretty much what i saw - with both the Vodafone as well as the Generic UK ROMs.
FYI - when i say that they probably updated the 3D drivers... i'm not just talking about TF3D (i use that as an example 'coz it was usually buggy before this firmware), but games are actually running as they should have done before. No glitches or problems with Atomic Cannon, Archibald's Adventures, and more games that faced usual lags or slowed down a bit in menus or something like that. Furthermore, Slide2Play is also working way better with this updated firmware.
the framerate option on the camera is great and actually works. The media panel has been improved a lot! The bluetooh and wifi issues have definitely been fixed... and the device startup time has been improved too, way quicker now.
55 Seconds?!?!?! - i barely got that with my old firmware! Maybe it is the Swedish ROM? Definitely try out the Generic UK or Vodafone UK ROM for a few days...
Best Regards.

Started a poll here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=478859

msalmank said:
55 Seconds?!?!?! - i barely got that with my old firmware! Maybe it is the Swedish ROM? Definitely try out the Generic UK or Vodafone UK ROM for a few days...
Best Regards.
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I use the Swedish updated ROM, and I, as other swedes with updated phones I've talked to, don't feel any improvements with the new ROM. In fact, the phone seems to be slower when using SPB Mobile Shell: When clicking programs, it takes some time before the icons appear. Same time when sliding into the second page of programs. I didn't have this lag before updating...

thorell said:
I use the Swedish updated ROM, and I, as other swedes with updated phones I've talked to, don't feel any improvements with the new ROM. In fact, the phone seems to be slower when using SPB Mobile Shell: When clicking programs, it takes some time before the icons appear. Same time when sliding into the second page of programs. I didn't have this lag before updating...
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Hmmm... definitely try out some other version, like perhaps the Generic UK ROM. See if you face same issues with that one...

lag?

So what is creating the lag on the magic?is it a hardware limitation or is the android os to blame,and why it will run ok for few days and then start to slow down?i am out on the road for work alot and i do realy use my magic alot for surfing the net ,watching movies,and so on and it get frustating when the softkeyboard start to slow down like now wile im writing in this post.
If is software related i hope google will resolve the problems soon at the next update,i realy hate when the browser does not scroll up or down the page smootly to.

You have to reboot the phone once a day. Its like this for almost all smart phones. I had too do it to my Iphone twice a day sometimes. There is also a program in the market called taskiller, I suggest getting it. The program can free up 20m in 2 sec.

What im asking is the reason why the lag appear.bad coding of android os?apps r not build properly?

Hard to tell, I noticed that some apps are bad, when I cleaned up some of my market apps and removed them, I stopped getting the slow down near as often. I take it some of those apps had memory leaks. I actually sped up when I removed task killer, I'm not making accusations, but the version I was running might have had problems of it's own.
I will take exception to the idea that phones have to be rebooted all the time, they shouldn't. WinMo I had to reboot twice a day at times, but the Iphone...I rarely rebooted, and I would go six months or more without a blackberry reboot (usually only to flash to a new rom).
Hard to say without some really good diagnostic time whether the memory is leaking from apps or core OS processes. If it was obvious, the android developers would have already fixed them (and some probably are in upcoming revisions). That being said, Android will get there with a little time. I wouldn't go back to the iphone unless there is a major change in the way it operates, and I would only switch to blackberry if they drastically improved their Storm. The openness of Android and above all the notifications system on Android trump its rough edges. Now if only copy and paste.........

Ho well i hope google is going to sort it out soon.
My friend just upgrade to the new iphone and i must say that is very quick,speedyyyyyyy.
Is android os full accesible by the devs or there are part of it that only google have right to?

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Ho well i hope google is going to sort it out soon.
My friend just upgrade to the new iphone and i must say that is very quick,speedyyyyyyy.
Is android os full accesible by the devs or there are part of it that only google have right to?
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Don't worry the new iphone has the same issue, has to reboot every day or so once it's all loaded up with apps and cache. My brother has the new one and it's on par with the Magic for speed but you have to remember it's only a "one show pony".
Clinton

Its on par?? By the look of it is not near up to the speed of the iphone.
So are parts of the os that devs on this forum cannot acces?

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Its on par?? By the look of it is not near up to the speed of the iphone.
So are parts of the os that devs on this forum cannot acces?
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Which magic are you using? My Rogers 32A magic is at least as fast if not faster in some things than the 3GS. I had both here testing and they are equal in alot of things. But the Magic can multitask where the iphone can run one app.
Clinton

I see a lot of phones through the course of a day and i can tell you ALL smartphones eventualy end up with lag. The more they can do, the more likely they will slow down. Even your laptop, desktop, car, and body will slow down with time and use. We demand more features, power, battery life, colors, channels, options, etc..... We had none of this twenty years ago. Does anyone remember their Commadore 64? Keep your perspective. 99% of the tech we use today came about in the last 35 to 45 years. We get angry because we have to wait 3 seconds to find out our latitude and longitude because were looking for a starbucks. If you want it to run better, turn it off and do without it for a day. You'll not complain about minimal lag for a few days after that.

Sorry for the rant folks....

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I see a lot of phones through the course of a day and i can tell you ALL smartphones eventualy end up with lag. The more they can do, the more likely they will slow down. Even your laptop, desktop, car, and body will slow down with time and use. We demand more features, power, battery life, colors, channels, options, etc..... We had none of this twenty years ago. Does anyone remember their Commadore 64? Keep your perspective. 99% of the tech we use today came about in the last 35 to 45 years. We get angry because we have to wait 3 seconds to find out our latitude and longitude because were looking for a starbucks. If you want it to run better, turn it off and do without it for a day. You'll not complain about minimal lag for a few days after that.
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You're so right Serious!

Yes i do agree to.
I wanted only to know what would cause the lag,thats all.

Understandable. We would not have gotten this far if we had never tried to work out the details and make them better. I suppose it's a double edged sword. By the time we perfect one device we are off to another. Until we do though, the daily reboot is our best freind. Hope I did not sound like I was comming down on you.

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Yes i do agree to.
I wanted only to know what would cause the lag,thats all.
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I think this is a valid and important question. I just bought the tmobile mt3g and the keyboard lag, when web browsing, is the single most annoying issue. Is this a hardware limitation, or something that we can expect to improve as the software is refined?
I've been googling around trying to find an answer to this but it seems like most threads are concerned with "features lists" rather than "user experience". It makes sense. It's a lot harder to quantify the latter, but we still should try, especially since this is the axis where the open platform model might be inferior to the proprietary one (apple/palm). I mean, I'm pretty sure android is going to have a better feature list within the year (if not already). The real unknown is whether it will be a fast, integrated, polished user experience.
Maybe one of the gurus on this list can given an enlightened opinion. My guess is that it's mostly a software issue. The keyboard works a lot faster in SMS or gmail than in the browser. There really isn't an excuse for this other than lazy software. All the javascript is taking up cycles that the keyboard needs to be snappy perhaps?

can someone answer my question please:
Is android os full accesible by the devs or there are part of it that only google have right to?

If I am not mistaken, the max CPU frequncy is set to 385 MHz instead of the 528 it is capable of on a stock rom. Underclocking can save battery life, and that is one on the major complaints I see about the newer phones. More speed means less battery life. If you want to get the most out of the MyTouch your best bet is to root the phone and set your max speed to the 528 level using SetCPU or a similar program. The phone is very capable of doing more than what you see out of the box. You just need to work on it. We are here because we are not the general public that likes to just "leave it as it is". Root it, get one of Cyanogen's (my favorite) or some one elses roms, and SetCPU. you will be impressed.

I got root and runing cyan roms.
It seems that many people dont get the question that im asking. Maybe my english is not great and seems that anyone is trying to jump in the same vagon defending android without realise i m not trashing it .
Some of the answers i do think are unrelated to my question ,so maybe is me that is not clear.?

So you have lag on Cyanogen's rom? Which rom is it? Do you have a lot of apps installed? Have you tried SetCPU? I have a two MyTouch running Cyan's 4.0.1, SetCPU has me running at 528 max, 328 min. i do not have any lag on my keyboard or any of my apps. I reboot once a day but have never realy needed to. Post what you have going and I will do my best to help you out.

Sorry. You are right. I did forget about the original question. "why does lag apear in the first place". I don't have a lot of specifics for you, but I can tell you that phones are manufactured for the "general" public. Build it, get it out, and don't support it properly is what I see. I work for a U.S. service provider and I spend my day trying to get people to speak up. I do what I can to help everyone but I aint no jeanus if you get my meaning. If we demand more we will get more. And yet people keep on buying devices mearly because they are the "in" thing. Remember the rule of "supply and demand"? If we buy it and dont ask questions, they will take the money and run. Damn I am being a radical. It is true though. If we don't give them hell, they will just keep doing the same thing.

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donepate said:
So you have lag on Cyanogen's rom? Which rom is it? Do you have a lot of apps installed? Have you tried SetCPU? I have a two MyTouch running Cyan's 4.0.1, SetCPU has me running at 528 max, 328 min. i do not have any lag on my keyboard or any of my apps. I reboot once a day but have never realy needed to. Post what you have going and I will do my best to help you out.
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Im on cyan 4.1
VODAFONE UK MAGIC
32B SHIP S-ON G
HBOOT 1.33.0004 SAPP10000
CPLD-10
RADIO 2.22.19.26I
APR 9 2009
Formated card using recovery to 3 partitions,fat32-ext3-swap
Running 4x rss withgets plus Weather widget,about 10 apps installed.
Same lag with previus cyan wersion exspecialy when closing browser wile goung back to home screen.
Thanx

HD2 Video camera lagging

Does any of you experience lag, when capturing video and panning around .. The stream is lagging a short moment.
It can also be seen when playback the film.
I have at Sandisk class 6 and have tested it in a cardreader to 18/24 mb/sec, but in the phone to 4/4 mb/sec.

Lagging would be not that bad, but there is strong 'jello' effect. Camera is definitely a let-down, compared to my previous X1. On the other hand, camera was about only thing done right on X1

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Lagging would be not that bad, but there is strong 'jello' effect. Camera is definitely a let-down, compared to my previous X1. On the other hand, camera was about only thing done right on X1
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I hated the X1 like hell, and the camera was simply crap. BRRRRR, my worst phone ever.

Most of the problems dealing with lag is most probably due to how many programs you have running in the background. If you're RAM is clogged up running apps which you don't need running then make sure you clear them in the task manager.
I'm using my HD2 typing this message and the keyboard is brilliant. I really don't know what people are complaining about. I'm finding it as good if not better than the one on the iPhone. Just one thing, if you allow the screen to get greasey then no doubt you will struggle, so keep that screen clean!

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Most of the problems dealing with lag is most probably due to how many programs you have running in the background. If you're RAM is clogged up running apps which you don't need running then make sure you clear them in the task manager.
I'm using my HD2 typing this message and the keyboard is brilliant. I really don't know what people are complaining about. I'm finding it as good if not better than the one on the iPhone. Just one thing, if you allow the screen to get greasey then no doubt you will struggle, so keep that screen clean!
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Jep, I think it's better than the one on Iphone, but I think that it's a cam driver problem...but i don't know..!
It was not a complaint, it was at question to other and maybe a way to remove the lag..!I have no grease on the screen

I love my HD2!

Hey guys I've been here for years and strangely for the last couple of weeks I've not found myself on this site very much. Why? Because my damn phone is so damn good I haven't the need/urge to mess with the set up I have. I'm yet to unlock it or flash it (although I hear there are some very nice roms out there). My set up is as so:
Standard TMO USA rom.
SPB Mobile Shell 3.5
Quick Menu 2.8 (task manager/program closer).
JZ Mortbuttons
Opera Mobile 10, Opera Mobile 9, Skyfire, Mobile IE
Resco Explorer
Coreplayer
I haven't added any of my other contact programs or anything because this damn phone comes loaded with great programs and runs very, very well. I know some people may ask why did I create this thread? I see a lot of people coming in here complaining about the HD2 and WM 6.5 and I think the satisfied people need to speak up also. The phone is great (needs very few tweaks) and the OS is awesome now that is actually has a processor strong enough to really use it and a screen beautiful enough to show it's shine!
Join me with your I love my HD2 comments. Peace all.

Im with you on this one, people keep telling me to flash android. But there is no need for that.out of the box the phone rinds fine with no problems, and movies finally look good.
This will be my last phone I ever buy.

remo32001 said:
Im with you on this one, people keep telling me to flash android. But there is no need for that.out of the box the phone rinds fine with no problems, and movies finally look good.
This will be my last phone I ever buy.
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I would have to say this is the last phone I buy for a while. It fits all my current work and entertainment needs.

remo32001 said:
This will be my last phone I ever buy.
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you plan on stealing the rest?

remo32001 said:
Im with you on this one, people keep telling me to flash android. But there is no need for that.out of the box the phone rinds fine with no problems, and movies finally look good.
This will be my last phone I ever buy.
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Saying it's the last phone you'll ever buy is quite a statement... you know it will die eventually, right? You plan on not using a phone after that?
Also, who keeps telling you to flash android on it? You should let them know that it's impossible to do, because their is no android port for the HD2.

HD2
HD2 is a cool phone, I waited for it since it came out first in Europe. I switched carriers too. I think it needs alot of help. The phone is clumsy to me, on any phone I had I never found myself making so many mistakes typing or scrolling, I seen the difference right away when I went back to my itouch. But I love Winmo plus I already have a that love/hate relationship by having dealt with win95/xp/vista/windows 7 so I figure why not keep it going with the mobile too..HD2 is nice it has made me learn alot about mobile phone software like CABS, Flashing, etc. We will see what impact winmo 7 has on the old 6.5/6.5.x versions. You have to admit you can't never get bored and you can't just change stuff on Android the way you can with winmo..ok im done glorifying..peace

I really like my HD2, it has its quirks but they aren't bad. The screen is amazing on it and whenever I show people it they are blown away. Once some of the issues are fixed, random reception and freezes, it will be an amazing phone.

I love my phone too
I'll keep it until the HD3 comes out

OP, you're from inland empire? Me too!

flashing ROM itself is quite an amusement for me.
HD2 does have a facebook app that I actually like and use.
I read books quite often, and HD2 became my alternative eBook Reader with an app called, Freda. I still have an eBook Reader as my main source of reading material, but on 4.3" screen, it isn't too bad to read on the phone!
Then I do watch lots of MP4 videos and use Youtube.
besides those, everything else is quite standard.
RSS hub, Web Browsing (although on 4.3" screen, it's pleasant to browse), Music Player, and all the things other phones also have.
HD2 is a satisfying device to spend your time on the go.
But it's nothing other phones can't do.

Definitely love mine, had a brilliant email, navigating, talking weekend and it didnt blink, Just need T-Mo to update to 6.5.3 and fix the radio issues and it will be perfect for me.

speoples20 said:
I really like my HD2, it has its quirks but they aren't bad. The screen is amazing on it and whenever I show people it they are blown away. Once some of the issues are fixed, random reception and freezes, it will be an amazing phone.
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My wife has one also and her phone freezes while mine doesn't. The only real difference is I use SPB Mobile Shell 3.5 and she uses the standard Sense interface. I think the messaging in the Sense has issues with the OS.

s0nniez said:
OP, you're from inland empire? Me too!
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Yep. Nice to see others in our area actually getting the phone!

efjay said:
Definitely love mine, had a brilliant email, navigating, talking weekend and it didnt blink, Just need T-Mo to update to 6.5.3 and fix the radio issues and it will be perfect for me.
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I personally don't want 6.5.3 because it has the start button on the bottom and that would eliminate me from using QuickMenu as my taskmanager/program closer. Sad huh?

This phone is so awesome to have. I have been roaming around xda-devs for years tweaking, modding, flashing but this thing I have to say is very stable. I have not flashed roms ever since I got it. So far i'm loving the way it handles things and haven't have any freezing unlike what other peoples says. Anyways I couldn't promise I will not be flashing roms coz they're tempting, lol. Cheers..

Quite a phone
I really love this phone, i have had a lot of wm phones but this tops it all. i use it as am mp3 camera browsing .... and so much more. I used to flash all my other phones but i think i will keep the stock rom since i havent had an problems with it.

I'm running Energy ROM on my HD.
Flashed almost every ROM that's compatible with TMOUS, and I think I'm pretty much settled on Energy for now. Problem with the most is the SMS lag. When you get more than 50 messages in one thread, it takes a while to load the conversation you highlighted on the messaging tab. I hated it, since I had to delete them almost every day, since I text a lot.
Energy ROM uses different looking SMS and MMS tab, which eliminated most of my annoyance.
Kudos, Energy ROM

I have to agree with addicus. I've had my HD2 for a over a month now and have had absolutely NO issues (knock on wood) and I'm a HEAVY user. I keep reading these horror stories involving random freezing, SMS issues, reception problems, etc. To date these issues aren't affecting me (knock on wood again). I'm running the stock ROM because it works flawlessly for me. I've installed several apps/mods and am completely satisfied.
I haven't touched my iPhone since buying the HD2. My iPhone contract ends in June and I will not be extending it. Will this be my last phone? absolutely not. I'm definately an early adopter and have to have the latest gadgets. Until then, I LOVE MY HD2!!

It's the screen size and brilliant colors and picture quality and capacitive touch that get me... It's not much different than any other Winmo phone besides that. I also like the Sense UI.
I'm stoked on this phone and if you are afraid to do a hard resets, ROM Flashes, tweaking WinMo, etc, I don't understand what you are doing on this site complaining anyhow... Just buy an Iphone and keep your opinions to yourself...
There is nothing worse about this phone than any other phone if you know what you are doing. Only good things...

Yeah, I love mine too much. I'm spending too much time on it. I think it's a bad thing.
Me and the wife's phone hasn't froze on us yet. We are on stock rom, using Sense UI.
I made a whole DVD of a graduation documentary with just the phone's camera alone. It turned out pretty good. Of course I edited on a PC though.
This phone will last me a while, at least till HD3 comes out.
Also, swype is screwing my typing skills up. The other day I went to use my Desktop and I was swyping on my keyboard. LOL...

Lag? What lag?

Is it me or has this so called lag been blown completely out of proportion with the SGS? I used to have a HTC Hero, I tell you, it's like going from riding a snail to a rocket fuselage. That phone was so slow, a phone may I add which only a year ago was seen as the 'iPhone killer'.
Please are there any previous HTC Hero users who now own a SGS? You have to speak out!
I mean sure, I've used a HTC Desire, it's very fast. But the only difference I have noticed is that on the SGS sometimes Apps take around 3secs longer to open than they should. That's it!! I mean, why are you all complaining so much! It's just as fast as the Desire except that point.
I have now had the SGS for 2 weeks, I haven't noticed any considerable slowdown. It works great! Why are you all complaining like babies? Have you installed Crysis 2 on your SGS or something, obviously your phone would never work again if you did that. Before anybody asks, I have made no changes to my SGS. I have an unlocked SGS, still on Touchwiz, no flash, no root. I don't even use task killer for God's sake. Please would someone explain to me what the big deal is?

What you have to realise is that it's not an always persistent problem. The phone in general is extremely fast, however with earlier firmwares the phone does not free up memory effectively. 3 seconds is nothing, but I recall sometimes waiting 10-15 seconds for the Dialer to launch. And when the memory is really really clogged up, it's a complete pain even pressing the home screen button (waiting 10 seconds to go to home isn't pretty either). For a phone with so much power, do you really think this is normal?

The difference must just be that I'm not a heavy app user. I still have the stock firmware the phone came with. Never had a 10 second delay with anything. Never noticed any sort of build up of lag. It works great! Do you guys install like 50 apps on your phones or something? Clearly that must be your problem.

I have never had any problems either (other than with flaky GPS).
Someone told me how to replicate the lag issue, and it boiled down to having 8-odd apps running in the background at once. I would expect the same on my multi-core 4GB RAM iMac, let alone a phone with 256MB RAM.
Not saying others are only having problems with the above situation, but it does seem like there are specific factors that cause it, which is why a lot of people have had no problems.

The phone has 512mb ram.
Just that currently, HiMem is not available (will be in froyo as a default, and if we're lucky, in the JF6 firmware as well)

Pika007 said:
The phone has 512mb ram.
Just that currently, HiMem is not available (will be in froyo as a default, and if we're lucky, in the JF6 firmware as well)
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I know, but until we can actually use it, we are limited to 256MB (or was it 232MB?)

SGS has 512MB RAM

Robin.B said:
What you have to realise is that it's not an always persistent problem. The phone in general is extremely fast, however with earlier firmwares the phone does not free up memory effectively. 3 seconds is nothing, but I recall sometimes waiting 10-15 seconds for the Dialer to launch. And when the memory is really really clogged up, it's a complete pain even pressing the home screen button (waiting 10 seconds to go to home isn't pretty either). For a phone with so much power, do you really think this is normal?
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+1
And although I am not a really heavy app user, I am a heavy user, and it wasn't hard to make the phone lag quite heavily at times, so I'd say no, it has not been blown out of proportion.

Robin.B; said:
What you have to realise is that it's not an always persistent problem. The phone in general is extremely fast, however with earlier firmwares the phone does not free up memory effectively. 3 seconds is nothing, but I recall sometimes waiting 10-15 seconds for the Dialer to launch. And when the memory is really really clogged up, it's a complete pain even pressing the home screen button (waiting 10 seconds to go to home isn't pretty either). For a phone with so much power, do you really think this is normal?
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+1.
More serious in some applications like mails, RSS reader. It's so slow that I don't even use my SGS for my mails, or to read news anymore.

Tachikoma_kun said:
I have never had any problems either (other than with flaky GPS).
Someone told me how to replicate the lag issue, and it boiled down to having 8-odd apps running in the background at once. I would expect the same on my multi-core 4GB RAM iMac, let alone a phone with 256MB RAM.
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Tachikoma_kun,
Please understand that Android does not work like the Mac OSX on an iMac, and that, if you open 8 odd apps in a row, you should _not_ have them all running in the background at once.
Android's memory management should close applications and free memory as needed. Processes will start if needed, be set to inactive as long as possible and killed if necessary. This works fine with other Android devices and obviously not with the Galaxy S.
You can read about the life cycle of Android Components at
http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/fundamentals.html
Using a task killer to free up memory might make your Galaxy S faster than not using one, but this is still a lot less efficient than it should be. In a working Android system you should use the most out of your available memory and the system should stay fast as you open and switch between applications. You should never have to think about which applications are running or not running.
Again, this works just fine with other devices. If it does not work with the Galaxy S then this is a serious flaw in the system. The flaw might be related to the slow I/O on the internal SD, or maybe there is a firmware bug besides the I/O. But it is currently not working correctly.
If you have access to 256mb memory of RAM, and you use a task killer to always keep 100MB free, then you use your device like it only had 156MB.
I also do not believe that the average customer without a technical background is able to use a task killer without shooting himself in the foot. Without knowledge about what each application and service does, and how android manages background processes, how should a normal user know what he can kill and which services he should keep running?

lag problem blown out of proportion. May be froyo update will satisfy the hunger of these power hungary geeks.

lag problem blown out of proportion. May be froyo update will satisfy the hunger of these power hungary geeks.

eaglesteve said:
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More serious in some applications like mails, RSS reader. It's so slow that I don't even use my SGS for my mails, or to read news anymore.
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I just don't get it. I've never had this problem. Emails and news update perfectly with no lag.

Enarca said:
I just don't get it. I've never had this problem. Emails and news update perfectly with no lag.
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Perhaps whether a person thinks it's slow or not depends on what that person was used to?

That is exactly what i was telling people.
I come from the HTC Athena, and OMG... that thing is like crawling on sand, even with its super duper 625 Mhz CPU which by then was supposed to be the state of the art.
yet everything i did was sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow, using the SGS was like smooth flowing water, everything is perfect in this phone out of the box.
Enarca said:
Is it me or has this so called lag been blown completely out of proportion with the SGS? I used to have a HTC Hero, I tell you, it's like going from riding a snail to a rocket fuselage. That phone was so slow, a phone may I add which only a year ago was seen as the 'iPhone killer'.
Please are there any previous HTC Hero users who now own a SGS? You have to speak out!
I mean sure, I've used a HTC Desire, it's very fast. But the only difference I have noticed is that on the SGS sometimes Apps take around 3secs longer to open than they should. That's it!! I mean, why are you all complaining so much! It's just as fast as the Desire except that point.
I have now had the SGS for 2 weeks, I haven't noticed any considerable slowdown. It works great! Why are you all complaining like babies? Have you installed Crysis 2 on your SGS or something, obviously your phone would never work again if you did that. Before anybody asks, I have made no changes to my SGS. I have an unlocked SGS, still on Touchwiz, no flash, no root. I don't even use task killer for God's sake. Please would someone explain to me what the big deal is?
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Im not a SGS owner but i keep noticing the reference to the desire. I did own a snapdragon device until about a week ago. (Droid Incredible). Switched to droid x. The only real reason i believe there is lag on the samsung is the touchwiz. The cpu&gpu in the SGS IS FAR SUPERIOR to that of the desire. Htc just has the most polished custom ui. If u get launcher pro id be willing to bet that lag is gonzola in a hurry. Maybe give this a try? Just trying to help my fellow androiders out. Goodluck fellas
Sent from my DROIDX using XDA App

ksizzle9 said:
Im not a SGS owner but i keep noticing the reference to the desire. I did own a snapdragon device until about a week ago. (Droid Incredible). Switched to droid x. The only real reason i believe there is lag on the samsung is the touchwiz. The cpu&gpu in the SGS IS FAR SUPERIOR to that of the desire. Htc just has the most polished custom ui. If u get launcher pro id be willing to bet that lag is gonzola in a hurry. Maybe give this a try? Just trying to help my fellow androiders out. Goodluck fellas
Sent from my DROIDX using XDA App
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what made you choose a Droid X vs. a SGS i9000?
the 2 phones are almost identical, except for the camera.

the lag is very real.
try opening Dolphin HD and then closing it again .....about 8+ seconds to do either, and that's with nothing else open.
instantaneous on the nexus with 2.2.
some apps are much slower than others, some there is no difference, but even the default samsung apps such as phonebook have a good lag when switching between tabs.

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I agree. I'm guessing you haven't used/owned a HTC Hero? If so, you haven't experienced the PAIN!! lol.

On my side I don't have any heavy app, I don't do games, or HD stuff what I expect from my phone is to be able to show me my mail ... and that's where I have plenty of lag ( not all the time but everyday for sure).
Lag to open the mail, lag to delete the mail, lag to come back on the homescreen.
Up to 15 sec to come back from the settings menu.
My benchmark is the iphone 3GS but also the HTC P3600 and the HTC diamond which are not that fast
I have never been waiting so long in front of my phone.
Excuse me if I am working with my phone and I don't want to wait 10 sec all the time.
And stop insulting people who complains please
Oh and the comment about installing 50 apps .... please learn how android is supposed to work. I should be able to install 1000 app without any problem. Who care about the number of app installed ???
By the way, when I have a lot of lag I go in systempanel to see what it my amount of memory and it's around 30-50 Mb so it should not be a problem.