Hello folks,
in the new Android 2.0 there's a limit on Bluetooth: you can't enable DISCOVERABLE mode without passing through an Android dialogbox and only for a limited period of time (max 300 seconds): SHAME!!! This means that for DUN connections (or similar) the user should press YES every 300 secs (on Droid probably there's a bug, only 120 secs are allowed).
The problem could be found on the GIT at line 758: the application requires the WRITE_SECURE_SETTINGS permission to run the setScanMode method, unfortunately not available at user level.
Hope this could be fixed for homebrew roms.
Cheers
I thought it had always been that way Isn't the limit there as a security measure? Oh well, thanks for pointing out a solution, should be interesting to see if this is adopted in to new ROMs.
Paragnosta said:
Hello folks,
in the new Android 2.0 there's a limit on Bluetooth: you can't enable DISCOVERABLE mode without passing through an Android dialogbox and only for a limited period of time (max 300 seconds): SHAME!!!
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That is an EXCELLENT feature. Prevents the user from accidentally leaving it on, and thus vulnerable.
This means that for DUN connections (or similar) the user should press YES every 300 secs (on Droid probably there's a bug, only 120 secs are allowed).
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INCORRECT. The host only needs to be discoverable when the connection is established. The connection, once established, can remain open for an unlimited amount of time.
lbcoder said:
That is an EXCELLENT feature. Prevents the user from accidentally leaving it on, and thus vulnerable.
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Sorry, but this is not so excellent as you can think. It's OK when user enable the discoverable mode from the Android settings, fine and good. But if you want to create a background service always listening for incoming connections, simply you can't!!!
You must use a system dialogbox each time you wanna be discoverable and it's not so cool
One example? If you want, you can't receive proximity marketing messages, unless you KNOW when and where enable the discoverable mode. And if you want a public DUN service always discoverable by anyone? You can't!!!
IMHO, this is a great limit for developers, that's why the Bluetooth is dying...
Cheers
Paragnosta said:
Sorry, but this is not so excellent as you can think. It's OK when user enable the discoverable mode from the Android settings, fine and good. But if you want to create a background service always listening for incoming connections, simply you can't!!!
You must use a system dialogbox each time you wanna be discoverable and it's not so cool
One example? If you want, you can't receive proximity marketing messages, unless you KNOW when and where enable the discoverable mode. And if you want a public DUN service always discoverable by anyone? You can't!!!
IMHO, this is a great limit for developers, that's why the Bluetooth is dying...
Cheers
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I have yet to meet anyone who WANTs to receive proximity marketing messages.
That's like WANTING spam in your inbox...
Or WANTING junk mail...
Or LOVING commercials...
Paragnosta said:
Sorry, but this is not so excellent as you can think. It's OK when user enable the discoverable mode from the Android settings, fine and good. But if you want to create a background service always listening for incoming connections, simply you can't!!!
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It is a PHONE, not a server. If you are using the phone, then it is in YOUR HAND, which means you can click the button. And the use-case for a phone is that you use the PHONE to connect to OTHER DEVICES -- not the other way around!
You must use a system dialogbox each time you wanna be discoverable and it's not so cool
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So? If the thing is always discoverable, what's to stop someone from hacking in? This is a necessary feature, and it doesn't interfere with appropriate use.
One example? If you want, you can't receive proximity marketing messages, unless you KNOW when and where enable the discoverable mode.
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Again, the devices need to be paired ANYWAYS. You can't just bluetooth crap for fun and have everything receive it. BAD IDEA, DANGEROUS.
And marketing messages? As in ADVERTISEMENTS? Seems like a good thing to BLOCK AT ALL COSTS.
And if you want a public DUN service always discoverable by anyone? You can't!!!
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Huh?
Again, it is a ***PHONE***. Not a server! You *DO NOT WANT THAT*.
IMHO, this is a great limit for developers, that's why the Bluetooth is dying...
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No it isn't. It just prevents developers from doing things that they shouldn't be doing or have no legitimate reason to be doing.
Well, anyway you look at it, its a limitation put in place to protect people that don't know what they're doing at the expense of those who do.
Example:
I wanted to use KBlueLock (Locks the screen when bluetooth device disapears and [optionally] unlocks when it appears). I can't because the device won't stay discoverable. As soon as the timeout runs out, the screen is locked.
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Well, anyway you look at it, its a limitation put in place to protect people that don't know what they're doing at the expense of those who do.
Example:
I wanted to use KBlueLock (Locks the screen when bluetooth device disapears and [optionally] unlocks when it appears). I can't because the device won't stay discoverable. As soon as the timeout runs out, the screen is locked.
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Your phone doesn't need to be discoverable for your headset to remain visible to it, so either your description is wrong, or the problem that you perceive is unrelated to your guess about the cause.
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Your phone doesn't need to be discoverable for your headset to remain visible to it, so either your description is wrong, or the problem that you perceive is unrelated to your guess about the cause.
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I'm not talking about a headset. KBlueLock is part of KDE's bluetooth framework in Linux. It locks the screen when a certain BT device is no longer present.
You're assuming a pairing is required when it isn't. The mere presence (or not) of that device in a scan is enough.
Paragnosta said:
Hello folks,
in the new Android 2.0 there's a limit on Bluetooth: you can't enable DISCOVERABLE mode without passing through an Android dialogbox and only for a limited period of time (max 300 seconds): SHAME!!! This means that for DUN connections (or similar) the user should press YES every 300 secs (on Droid probably there's a bug, only 120 secs are allowed). ..........
Cheers
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I second that. My bluetooth in my car and laptop would not automatically pair unless I have discoverable mode active. Its a hassle to always have to go to your bluetooth settings to activate that field EVERYTIME, otherwise it would not pair. They should have an option to have it turned on all the time. The user should have the freedom to choose! and not restrict them due to security issues.. i had blackberry's, and nokias, and had no problem with people trying to "hack" into my phone or whatever since my bluetooth was on all the time (and is automatically discoverable)
So in order for the phone to be on discoverable mode for a longer time, this would require editing the code for bluetooth right? Would this mean that the application will be rooted to the android platform? I am working on creating an app that allows bluetooth to be on discoverable mode all the time so perhaps with what the Bluetooth Adapter available to me right now in API 2.0, will prevent me from achieving this goal... Does anyone have code suggestions that can help me pass this obstacle? Below is what I have to make bluetooth discoverable for 300 seconds max. The Bluetooth Adapter prevents me from going beyond that time and also does not let me proceed to make bluetooth discoverable without user permission.
Intent discoverableIntent = new Intent(BluetoothAdapter.ACTION_REQUEST_DISCOVERABLE);
discoverableIntent.putExtra(BluetoothAdapter.EXTRA_DISCOVERABLE_DURATION, 300);
startActivity(discoverableIntent);
Thank you for your help in advance.
Sincerely,
AndroidTeam5
opinions opinions.. one man telling another man what they want and others telling others what they do and do not need.
The BOTTOM LINE is we should always have the option.. for example you MAY THINK (your opinion) that proximity marketing is like spam but freaking OBVIOUSLY SOMEONE WANTS IT he JUST SAID IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING... so damn everyone needs to take their opinions and leave..
You only post in this thread if you think it is useful.. not if you dont..
anyway proximity marketing would be good for example you are walking around a new area and you are really interested in what there is to eat around you.. and what deals they may have.. well you are walking down the street and BLING it tells you what the specials are..
Its funny cause everyone hates on spam and advertisments because we are always getting shown them when we are doing something else.. so its annoying.. but proximity marketing means that you turn that **** on when you are walking around interested in what the hell is available to you...
Bluetooth
I looked up more on Bluetooth and discover that I could perhaps use the NDK to make use of the Bluetooth Stack. Has anyone use Android Bluetooth using NDK? Is this recommended?
Thank you
AndroidTeam5
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Does anybody have an idea, why every call I made automaticaly activates Bluetooth?
I do not use any headset.
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Does anybody have an idea, why every call I made automaticaly activates Bluetooth?
I do not use any headset.
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Have you installed Bluetooth Tools?
Not sure if that's even necessary or not, but certainly that software by very nature, does this so that incoming calls can be passed to Bluetooth headsets.
This can be altered, if you are using Bluetooth Tools, by enabling this item on the today screen, and turning OFF timed bluetooth mode.
If you are not using this, then I am not sure...
Yes, I do use Bluetooth tools.
I use it mainly for my GPS BT Receiver.
I will play with its options, and see if this can solved this.
amir77a said:
Yes, I do use Bluetooth tools.
I use it mainly for my GPS BT Receiver.
I will play with its options, and see if this can solved this.
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Not solve mate - it's the whole intention of the software you installed.
Simply enable the Bluetooth Tools plugin on your today screen.
Then you will see a little clock icon.
Tap on this so it goes grey.
This means you just turned OFF the timed bluetooth option.
But mate, it ISN'T a bug, and is the very purpose of Bluetooth Tools for most people.
To get it to activate Bluetooth ONLY when a call comes in, so as to enable the headset.
Instead of PERMANENTLY having to leave BT on, and thus flatten the battery.
i'm pretty sure mine does it when i make the clock grey aswell
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i'm pretty sure mine does it when i make the clock grey aswell
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Rudegar,
If you grey out the clock, you turn OFF the timed element of Bluetooth.
It will then depend on whether you have Bluetooth ON, or Bluetooth OFF as to what happens then...
All the clock does, AFAIK, is enable or disable timed bluetooth...?
Yep.. guess you right. It's working so good with the BT GPS receiver, I'll just sit and enjoy, and let it work for 60 seconds, each call I make.
Even when I turn the clock grey it still comes on !
OK I can live with the 60secs business, it'll save battery life.
But what is the purpose of the 2 battery indicators 1&2 ?? Can't seem to suss that out ?
ekko star said:
Even when I turn the clock grey it still comes on !
OK I can live with the 60secs business, it'll save battery life.
But what is the purpose of the 2 battery indicators 1&2 ?? Can't seem to suss that out ?
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They are two different Profiles as it were.
It means you can configure settings as you prefer for one device/gps/headset, and then click icon 2 and set another lot, for a different device, then quickly change easily.
That info is from the Bluetooth Tools site, where it is all mentioned.
I don't wish to sound too rude, but it would be helpful if people seeking support would try reading the site where they download stuff from, or the original author's site, first...
http://bluetooth.i-networx.de/index_e.html
thanks for the help mate and thanks for telling me what it already says on that site.
My question is really how to configure those two settings ? I can't work out how I can set different settings for profile 2 nor how I can change 1 ?
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My question is really how to configure those two settings ? I can't work out how I can set different settings for profile 2 nor how I can change 1 ?
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Well, it's dead simple (actually, was too simple for me to understand until someone pointed it out to me...): you tap on '1', so that it gets the little grey box around it. Then you use the normal settings dialogs of the PPC to configure things like backlight timeout, brightness etc. Then go back to the Today screen, tap on '2', and again configure your PPC. Now, each time you tap '1' or '2', the set of settings will be restored. Unfortunately, I couldn't find a list of which settings are actually subject to that toggle. I know that the backlight timing is, because that's what I use it for: while TomTom is running, I don't want the backlight to go out, so while '2' was actibe, I configured the backlight accordingly. Now '1' is my normal mode, and '2' is the "navigation" mode.
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Daniel
Bit of a noob question here, but is there a way to use SAP to utilise my cellphone's SIM contacts and network so that when I'm indoors I can text and call on the AMEO and then disconnect when I'm out and about. Currently I have to SIM swap as I don't like making calls on the Ameo in public.
Basically I want my Ameo to act a bit like a RSAP car kit....utilizing my phone's SIM list and transmitter when needed. This would not only be very convenient but would I think make the Ameo's battery last a hell of a lot longer as in my experience GSM/3G drains a lot more power than BT.
could the Ameo do this?
Or is it possible to develop a programme to do this?
I trust that someone out there knows.....
(Both handsets support SAP)
is that a no then?! Surprised noone else has thought of this considering the size of the ameo. Does anyone even know if it's possible to 'trick' the ameo's bluetooth stack into thinking it can act as a handsfree car kit? Or would this fall down to the capabilities of microsoft's stack? Come on people.
leoni1980 said:
is that a no then?! Surprised noone else has thought of this considering the size of the ameo. Does anyone even know if it's possible to 'trick' the ameo's bluetooth stack into thinking it can act as a handsfree car kit? Or would this fall down to the capabilities of microsoft's stack? Come on people.
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I seem to remember this has been asked before about 3 or 4 months ago and not reply was received then, either (sorry!)
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I seem to remember this has been asked before about 3 or 4 months ago and not reply was received then, either (sorry!)
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That's a real shame.
Would be nice to develop a little app to allow this, after all it's manipulability and flexibility like this which has allowed the bluetooth protocol to develop the way it has.
Surely someone out there knows whether it is AT LEAST possible. This sort of development would perhaps also form the possibility of using the HTC shift for voice calls if a similar SAP mod can be developed - as this is the only feature the device lacks!
Come on - I'm gagging for someone who knows about this to give an answer.
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That's a real shame.
Would be nice to develop a little app to allow this, after all it's manipulability and flexibility like this which has allowed the bluetooth protocol to develop the way it has.
Surely someone out there knows whether it is AT LEAST possible. This sort of development would perhaps also form the possibility of using the HTC shift for voice calls if a similar SAP mod can be developed - as this is the only feature the device lacks!
Come on - I'm gagging for someone who knows about this to give an answer.
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SAP? You mean the software SAP? I use it with remote desktop. I dont think the software is meant for windows mobile. Also I message my clients using Outlook so there is no real problem. I can be logged into SAP as Admin 24/7 via HSDPA or GPRS.
it was i who created that post about using a SAP profile as a remote phone...
and not a single person chimed in then...
i have done soem extensive research on this subject...
i have found that you need teh development kit for a sim access server (as our phone already has a license)
basicly if someone has a nice car (dump the os) =p
but if we dont have as im access server its not possible...
if someone can get their hands on a sim access server this could very well be a possibility
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SAP? You mean the software SAP? T0I use it with remote desktop. I dont think the software is meant for windows mobile. Also I message my clients using Outlook so there is no real problem. I can be logged into SAP as Admin 24/7 via HSDPA or GPRS.
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No sap in this case means sim access profile. It is the same protocol used by bluetooth car kits which basically allows you to remotely view your contacts and call them or text them remotely. Such a utility would i think be brilliant with the ameo as one could connect to, say a nokia n95 and use its transmitter and phonebook whilst at work or static to make and receive calls and browse the internet, then disconnect when out and about. This would be worlds apart from using a bluetooth headset i think.
Hi,
I am currently looking for a piece of software that will do a specific job, or possibly a better solution to what I am trying to do. Let me give you a little bit of background...
I have got an O2 XDA Mini S, and a Parrot hands-free kit that does not support the A2DP bluetooth profile (only the handsfree profile). I am currently using TomTom 6 on my XDA with a bluetooth GPS unit. Everything works really nicely together, except I cannot get instructions from TomTom through my parrot (which is ultimately my goal).
The only way I can see of getting the TT instructions through my Parrot is to make use of the programs floating about that allow you to turn on and off redirection of sound through bluetooth. The idea I had was that if there was a program about (or maybe even write something myself) that would be able to signal when the sound coming out of the XDA exceeded and then dropped back below a threshold level, and then somehow link that into the bluetooth redirection programs, I could basically have any sound that is produced go through the Parrot only when they occur (including obviously the TT instructions).
Does anybody have any ideas on this? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
Point UI, a UI wrapper, has a feature similar to what you're describing. It's used just to save battery power by turning on BT only when an incoming call is detected, and then killing BT after the call is ended. I don't know if it's open source, but you might want to head over to their forums and see if you can find out how they did it.
You probably also want to haunt any TomTom forum sites (if any even exist).
As a final option, look into Mortscripts. People have done amazing tricks with Mortscripts, and this might be just the ticket. Mort haunts these boards, and may pipe in with an "I can (or cannot) do that with Mortscript" too...
I have a question, though. What's wrong with using the Wizard's built-in speakers for getting directions?
Myrddin Wyllt said:
I have a question, though. What's wrong with using the Wizard's built-in speakers for getting directions?
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To be honest, it's not too bad through the speakers although if I have my radio on which I usually do, sometimes it can be a little bit hard to hear, and it would be nice to just have the radio mute while it gives me the directions.
It's more of a "want" than a "need" really.
Thanks very much for the info
Myrddin Wyllt said:
Point UI, a UI wrapper, has a feature similar to what you're describing. It's used just to save battery power by turning on BT only when an incoming call is detected, and then killing BT after the call is ended. I don't know if it's open source, but you might want to head over to their forums and see if you can find out how they did it.
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It is quite easy for programs to detect when you're in a call - MortScript, I presume, probably can detect that quite easily as it's an overall Windows feature and will probably have a readily available part in the API.
The problem is not with turning the bluetooth on and off, it's actually detecting when TomTom is giving an instruction. To be honest I think I'll look into MortScript and if that can't do it then I'll probably just give up.
Detecting phone calls isn't that easy, and it's especially not easy to make a check in a simple procedural script language like MortScript (up to WM5, there's no way to check whether a call is active, you have to monitor all the time if a call is accepted or hung up).
Detecting sound output of another application is entirely impossible - at least for most applications. If the app opens the output channel only during output (which most don't because it takes valuable time and causes ugly "click" noises on some devices), one could maybe query the number of free output channels - but that would need a CPU hog monitoring all the time, or half of the message would be over until it's detected.
And even if that would work, there's simply no way to redirect output to a BT headset (except with A2DP). At least on most devices. Once there was a simple way to do that (you just had to open a virtual port, and as long as it's open, everything was redirected similar to the A2DP way nowadays), but most manufacturers didn't implement it, and nowadays it seems like no modern device supports it anymore. (Had it for test purposes in a MortPlayer beta, no user reported it works...)
So, to put it short: Currently it's impossble. Maybe WM8 might change that... (Few hope for WM7, it's proposed to have the same kernel as WM5 and WM6.x)
On WM5.0 there used to be a sound that would play when the bluetooth connected. Not on WM6.1. Is there a way of turning on the sound for bluetooth connections? I know there's a notification for connection established but that appears to be for like a wifi connection.
Also, WM5.0 used to have a click sound for opening the Start menu and/or doing menu picks, etc. How can one turn that on?
Finally are there any good "sound collections". Cutesy sounds then you connect to wifi or or new email or SMS message are nice but then you need to do a translation in your mind of "Oh that cutesy sound means I got an SMS". I'd rather just a sound that says "You received and SMS message" or "You missed a phone call" etc.
defaria said:
Also, WM5.0 used to have a click sound for opening the Start menu and/or doing menu picks, etc. How can one turn that on?
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TF3D Settings tab | Sound | Advanced: Check off the Screen Taps option.
(or Start | Settings | Personal | Sounds)
defaria said:
On WM5.0 there used to be a sound that would play when the bluetooth connected. Not on WM6.1. Is there a way of turning on the sound for bluetooth connections?
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I've noticed that too ... I thought it was a problem with my headset, and I just live with it. I guess I'm not alone.
GeckoDev said:
TF3D Settings tab | Sound | Advanced: Check off the Screen Taps option.
(or Start | Settings | Personal | Sounds)
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I wasn't really looking for all taps, just menu taps. For example, I didn't want (or I wasn't used to) having a sound come out just because I checked off a task, but I did remember a sound happening when I tapped on "Start" or when I then tapped on "Programs". IOW a menu pick, not each and every time the stylus/finger hits the screen. Plus you can't seem to set or change this one (though I didn't look into the registry).
I've noticed that too ... I thought it was a problem with my headset, and I just live with it. I guess I'm not alone.
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I have lots of times when the bluetooth doesn't connect or I'm not sure it's connected. I was used to that reassuring sound that yes I am indeed connected properly.
Speaking of which, it would be nice to have an application that really indicates bluetooth status. IOW what's connected to what.
I have a Sony-Ericson bluetooth headset. It's stereo and AD2P, etc. I can listen to music and answer phone calls. I use it all the time, except when I get into my car. There I have a Motorola Rokr which takes the bluetooth and rebroadcasts it to FM. So I sometimes "pass the torch" between the two. Sometimes the BT "Wireless" gets passed byt the BT "Handsfree" does not. Or at least that's my suspicion. I'd like a program which can verify this for me by showing me "Hey the BT Wireless is currently connected or paired up with the Rokr but the BT Handsfree is associated with the Sony-Ericson". Of course a little functionality in this tool to tell it "Hey move that BT Handsfree association -> Rokr" would be excellent!
Oh, and I'm curious. Who designed bluetooth and why is it that the functionality/connections are so bad and badly designed? I mean it seems to me that BT Handsfree control multiple things. For example, it seems to control ARVCP as well as "Push to talk" at the same time. I think such functionality should be controllable separately.
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I wasn't really looking for all taps, just menu taps.
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I don't know of any other settings for that. This is my 4th or 5th WM device, and up until now they all did what you are describing. Maybe this is something that was removed in WM6.
defaria said:
Oh, and I'm curious. Who designed bluetooth and why is it that the functionality/connections are so bad and badly designed?
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If I remember right, it was originally developed by Ericsson, and then a consortium of companies banded together to create a standards group. The standards group has done well developing specifications for compliance to each version, but the problem is that multiple Bluetooth stacks have been developed by just about everyone that manufactures BT devices or supports them.
The result is a lot of different BT implementations that technically conform to the specs, but a vary greatly in practical usage. What a shame...
I mean it's a great feature and is awesome that it works with Bluetooth turned off on the phone, but how do the buds communicate to the phone?
High frequency audio or something?
Video - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QihsItO-0Mgd6HAtFiRJRPkSCJHpoCFa/view?usp=drivesdk
*Ignore any audio pls
It doesn't.
They don't.
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They don't.
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It doesn't.
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How do you explain mine then?
Let me show u a video
Lonath said:
How do you explain mine then?
Let me show u a video
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They aren't connected, or you do have Bluetooth turned on. It's physically impossible for them to be connected with Bluetooth turned off. That's literally how they connect to the phone.
If you have Bluetooth turned off, open the Buds box, then see the prompt on the screen, this is because Bluetooth is turned back on by the Samsung SmartThings service. It can detect the Buds and it turns BLuetooth back on to connect to them.
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They aren't connected, or you do have Bluetooth turned on. It's physically impossible for them to be connected with Bluetooth turned off. That's literally how they connect to the phone.
If you have Bluetooth turned off, open the Buds box, then see the prompt on the screen, this is because Bluetooth is turned back on by the Samsung SmartThings service. It can detect the Buds and it turns BLuetooth back on to connect to them.
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Oh, so you are saying that, "turning off" Bluetooth doesn't really turn off Bluetooth?
Well, after it connects it is using Bluetooth obviously, the question was the part it communicating with the phone when Bluetooth was off
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Oh, so you are saying that, "turning off" Bluetooth doesn't really turn off Bluetooth?
Well, after it connects it is using Bluetooth obviously, the question was the part it communicating with the phone when Bluetooth was off
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Probably delayed cut- off after you have it disconnected.
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Probably delayed cut- off after you have it disconnected.
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Well, when Im going for lectures, I use the Galaxy Buds and when the lecture starts I close em and turn off Bluetooth, after the lecture finishes, while Bluetooth is still of, opening up the galaxy buds case still brings the pop-up, even after 2hrs
This is the feature of Bluetooth 5, called the beacon technology. So your device can communicate with bluetooth devices nearby even if the bluetooth is turned off. The bluetooth 5 offers the off state which can be utilized to request the device to turn on the bluetooth by a neighbouring device. So you saw your bluetooth turned on after the popup appeared as it used the beacon technology. The location services needs to be on for this.
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This is the feature of Bluetooth 5, called the beacon technology. So your device can communicate with bluetooth devices nearby even if the bluetooth is turned off. The bluetooth 5 offers the off state which can be utilized to request the device to turn on the bluetooth by a neighbouring device. So you saw your bluetooth turned on after the popup appeared as it used the beacon technology. The location services needs to be on for this.
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Thanks for the great explanation, but if you checked my video, you would see that "Location" was turned off.
It is possible that it uses that technology you stated.
Edit - it probably uses the 'nearby device scan' setting for that instead of location
Edit 2- and yes it does, it no longer pops up when you turn off 'nearby device scan'
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Thanks for the great explanation, but if you checked my video, you would see that "Location" was turned off.
It is possible that it uses that technology you stated.
Edit - it probably uses the 'nearby device scan' setting for that instead of location
Edit 2- and yes it does, it no longer pops up when you turn off 'nearby device scan'
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yes, depending on the app, it can use get the location either by location services or nearby device scan.
To all of the people saying your bluetooth must be on have you opened your buds pro with Bluetooth off? Obviously not if you open the case with Bluetooth wifi and nfc off it still pops up and asks if u want to connect to them I was also curious how this works and only found know it alls that know nothing
NFC is also bluetooth, and being part of home automation... now you know
Edit: I suspect they'll drop bluetooth soon for NFC
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This is the feature of Bluetooth 5, called the beacon technology. So your device can communicate with bluetooth devices nearby even if the bluetooth is turned off. The bluetooth 5 offers the off state which can be utilized to request the device to turn on the bluetooth by a neighbouring device. So you saw your bluetooth turned on after the popup appeared as it used the beacon technology. The location services needs to be on for
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They aren't connected, or you do have Bluetooth turned on. It's physically impossible for them to be connected with Bluetooth turned off. That's literally how they connect to the phone.
If you have Bluetooth turned off, open the Buds box, then see the prompt on the screen, this is because Bluetooth is turned back on by the Samsung SmartThings service. It can detect the Buds and it turns BLuetooth back on to connect to them.
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Correct I believe.
I have SmartThings, WIFi and NFC disabled at all times. If bluetooth is on, the Buds+ engage seamlessly once inserted, if bluetooth is off it needs to be turned on and reinitialized.
Nfc in mobile fones is like the camera and mic, you cant turn it off. the end user is shown it disabled, but nowadays, even phones tell lies. Your smoke alarm at home (scotland installing mine soon), power meters... washing machine... try turning the power meter one off!!
Or the damn smoke alarm!
It works like this:
How does your NFC bank card work?
Where is the power in the bank card?
Nuff said.
Pachacouti said:
Nfc in mobile fones is like the camera and mic, you cant turn it off. the end user is shown it disabled, but nowadays, even phones tell lies. Your smoke alarm at home (scotland installing mine soon), power meters... washing machine... try turning the power meter one off!!
Or the damn smoke alarm!
It works like this:
How does your NFC bank card work?
Where is the power in the bank card?
Nuff said.
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Package Disabler kills it. A adb edit will too.
I keep my N10+ on a short leash.
Do that with your bank card... tinfoil handbags lol... its that bad, (no offence here), you dont see Nfc as bluetooth.
Nfc apps only connect to bluetooth HARDWARE. removing the app or editing only messes with the app, not the hardware.
Edit: Keeping in mind we're almost all on OVERLAID file system... the real nfc is LIVE like your camera and mic and... bank card lol, the overlaid appears disabled.
Edit 3: in effect, john wu wants the skill set you have because if you COULD turn off, you'd have the answer to root he needs.
I say this with respect to both you and wu.
Pachacouti said:
Do that with your bank card... tinfoil handbags lol... its that bad, (no offence here), you dont see Nfc as bluetooth.
Nfc apps only connect to bluetooth HARDWARE. removing the app or editing only messes with the app, not the hardware.
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Click to collapse
Don't know, never use it. It's also turned off in settings... I like my Android's dumb.
As far as I can tell it's fully disabled.
Lol, I have a RF shielded wallet.
you posted while I was editing.
Edit: Keeping in mind we're almost all on OVERLAID file system... the real nfc is LIVE like your camera and mic and... bank card lol, the overlaid appears disabled.
Edit 3: in effect, john wu wants the skill set you have because if you COULD turn off, you'd have the answer to root he needs.
I say this with respect to both you and wu.
I dont trust fones, so dont trust their claims.
Put your fone in the wallet, haha, respect