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Hey all,
I know everyone here is a Hero user probably. I'm a current HTC Touch Pro user and wanted to switch to the HTC Hero. However, today the Samsung Moment was announced and hardware wise it seems to be everything I wanted from the Hero...but without the software (HTC Sense). I'm very familiar with the HTC interface through Touch Pro rom hacks/upgrades and would want the Sense UI on the Moment (and am assuming it may be possible but only through Rom flashes not just an apk install). Anyway, what other reasons would you all say its worth just getting the Hero? Or should I just wait the extra 3 weeks and get the Moment? Ugh, so frustrating...thanks!
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Except that the Samsung phone might never "feature" here as it's not an HTC device!
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I also reached this dilemma, but have decided to purchase the Hero when it comes out on sunday, and if I dislike it, I'll have the 30 days to use it then trade it for the Moment. I too would desire the sense UI on the Moment, and also I haven't read anywhere if the Moment's screen is capacitive or not.
I'm pretty sure both the Hero and the Moment have capacitive screens.
I'm in the same boat as you -- currently using a Touch Pro and extremely sick of Windows Mobile. Is Sense UI a bigger improvement over the standard Android interface than, say TouchFlo is over Titanium? Because I'm fine with Titanium. I actually prefer that it's so much snappier than TF3D.
Also, does XDA ever support non-HTC phones? Will there ever be roms for the Moment? It just seems like a far better choice than the Hero, hardware-wise.
Awesome, if it's capacitive, I am definitely getting it.
I like the Sense UI because of the widgets and customizing aspect of it, easy access to twitter, facebook, contacts, etc...
But I will sacrifice it for better hardware
Capactive yes, but I have yet to read if it supports multi touch. Thats the screen factor I'm most interested in. This makes for much better on screen typing. The on screen keyboard is pretty good in landscape, so I'll live without the qwerty. It's one more mechanical system to fail as well.
From what I've seen the HTC interface on Andoid does not cause much lag as opposed to TF3D does to winmo. I came from a touch diamond to the touch to run the android port and it's sick, even stripped down android is better than winmo imo.
I pre-ordered the hero from Best Buy and am a rewards zone member, so I get to pick mine up tomorrow (they have them in tonight ) Reading that post on the Moment introduction gave me second thoughts, but the phone prior to the Diamond was an Instinct, leaving a bad taste in my mouth.
So which phone does everybody think they will mod the most...?..The Hero since its HTC or the Moment...I do like the physical keyboard on the Moment, but I will be picking my Hero up tomorrow..I am so confused...I hate it..LoL..
Although I'm HTC all the way, I have to say, Samsung has them beat in every category really in my playbook. Yes the 5MP on the Hero is better and the device is more pocketable (plus of course Sense which brought up this original dillemma) but I have to wonder, aren't most of the sense widgets (except say the dialer and the contact interface) just simple .APK files that I can put on the Moment if I go that route? I must say though, I think a phone's software is what makes the hardware shine. That being said, a lot of great hardware implemented the wrong way could lead to a fast but not so useful device. The dillemma is killing me but gladly I do have a Touch Pro, so I can live with a custom rom until Nov comes around and maybe even Dec so I can see the progress of porting the Hero's sw.
for me the question is 800 mhz and qwerty....oorrrr.....htc sense...i reallllly love sense...like alot alot it works great on my magic..but man 800mhz cpu is gonna be really great for flash content and emulators and hopefully somebody starts making a psx emulator for android
...but then again im pretty sure someone is going to port sense to the samsung if the brilliant developers here are able to port moto blur to g1s and magic
I'm in the same boat. I've been planning on getting the Hero since hearing it would be available on Sprint, but just saw the details of the Moment today and it gave me reason to reevaluate.
I prefer the Hero in every way except for the faster processor and the camera flash of the Moment. The OLED screen is a wash because although the picture is better, I've heard the transflective LCD screens are easier to read in direct sun, which is an important feature for me. I don't have an opinion on the trackpad vs trackball. And I think I'm in the minority because I'd rather not have the physical keyboard if it means any additional bulk. I also like what I've heard in the Hero reviews of the build quality and solid feel, while the first hands-on reports of the Moment comment that it feels "plastic-y" and a little cheaper. I've been pleased with the quality of the HTC phones I've had in the past and I think their support is pretty good too as far as getting updates out for their devices. Never dealt with Samsung before.
So, I'm still planning on sticking with the Hero and hopefully will have it in the next few days.
Ehh, if I was a keyboard junkie I'd go for the Moment. But I'm not; haven't had a hardware keyboard since 2007. I will be picking my Hero up tomorrow though.
It's good to see I'm not the only perturbed by this. Until yesterday, I was ready to wait until December for something bigger and better to come along. To prepare, I decided to figure out how much something like the TP2 would cost me. Even with full upgrade credit, I'd have to dish out $350 to get it.
The problem for me is that I'm waiting for something even higher-end (Android, i.e. 1Ghz + VGA+ resolution) than the TP2, so now I'm considering lowering my expectations and going for either the Hero or the Moment.
My problem with both phones is that the resolution (320x480). Why couldn't they have at least VGA like the TP!?
I have the hero and prefer SenseUI over standard Android (gf has the g1). The faster processor on the moment is a nice touch but I find the Hero's speed to suffice for my needs. Plus I love all the HTC widgets that don't come with standard Android..e.g. Peep, weather, etc. I think the next worthy upgrade is the HTC Dragon and the release date on that one is anyone's guess.
I have the same dilemma myself. I prefer the smaller size and virtual keyboard of the Hero as well as the sense ui.
The Moment's 800MHz processor will probably help with future Android enhancements which is important, since I will be with either the Hero or Moment for the next 2 years.
The Moment's camera is also most likely superior to the Hero's given Samsung's track record of decent optics. The Hero may have 5 MP, but every review says that its quality is only mediocre. Samsung phones have generally been very good despite lower resolutions. Since most of the time all my pictures are scaled down anyway, and neither of these are digital camera replacements, I would call the 5 MP/3 MP difference moot.
Also, it appears that the Moment may have better battery life judging purely from estimated talk time.
The camera and battery performance need to be verified though, so it looks like we will have to wait for a proper review.
It's a tough choice. While I would prefer HTC's sense ui, I really don't mind Android's vanilla interface either so it's more of a virtual keyboard/size/battery life issue for me.
If I know XDA well enough they'll be able to extract the Sense UI pretty quickly. Further, I could see rom cooks build this into future custom roms on the Samsung Moment.
Call me advantageous coming from a Touch Pro scene. I have complete faith in custom roms as they have provided real value to the TP with innovation pushing the scene.
After living with a slide out keyboard I find it much more reliable than a touch screen. So I'll be going with the Moment (unless another awesome device is released!)
I too am in the same boat as the others. With the announcement of the moment I am now puzzled at what route to go. I really would like SenseUI and have it natively built for my device like on the hero but im certainly a keyboard junkie. I will have to get both in my hand for a bit to be able to decide. If the build quality of the moment feels anything like the pre ill be off to the hero in a heartbeat.
Buy the Hero now, it'll be that much quicker till your contract expires and you can buy the Dragon in a year (18 months if not a premier customer)...
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It's good to see I'm not the only perturbed by this. Until yesterday, I was ready to wait until December for something bigger and better to come along. To prepare, I decided to figure out how much something like the TP2 would cost me. Even with full upgrade credit, I'd have to dish out $350 to get it.
The problem for me is that I'm waiting for something even higher-end (Android, i.e. 1Ghz + VGA+ resolution) than the TP2, so now I'm considering lowering my expectations and going for either the Hero or the Moment.
My problem with both phones is that the resolution (320x480). Why couldn't they have at least VGA like the TP!?
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The res may be smaller than the Touch Pro, ( which I just switched from ) but the screen is bigger, and it really looks just fine. I have an easier time reading the web with the Hero than I did with my TP. I wasn't really sure I could deal with a non-hardware keyboard, but am finding myself doing just fine with it. That said, November 1st and the Moment are less than 30 days away, and I don't think we've seen all the specs on the Moment, I'm looking forward to some of the Phone review websites getting their hands on one to see what they think. I imagine that someone somewhere will find a way to pull Sense out of the Hero, so it can be installed on other Android phones.
Doesn't the Samsung only have 256mb of RAM to the Hero's 288? That could be a dealbreaker.
Apologies for slightly off-topic...
I've been a WinMo follower for years, and never switched off to iPhone. I tried Nexus One when it just came out, but that lasted 3 days - mostly because of its (sense-less) UI. In the last two weeks I've been playing with Android on my HD2, and have to admit I've been converted! This is a great blend of the smooth and fluid UI of an OS that is built for mobile to begin with, and the flexibility of an open development platform, which resulted in many great apps.
In any case, I wasn't exactly happy with my T-Mobile service, which tends to be somewhat spotty for me in terms of 3G coverage (I'm in Seattle), so I decided to check out the other major networks and see if I would find another Android phone that would be appealing to me. I wanted a fast one from HTC - essentially, as close or better than HD2.
Sprint EVO would have been nice, but it's too thick. End of story. Doesn't pass the pocket test.
I thought that Verizon's Incredible would be just what I wanted with its smaller form factor and similar specs. And that was a bit of a disappointment to be honest. It actually felt too small!
A visit to AT&T store wasn't much better. Aria is underpowered, and Xperia looks nice, but Android 1.6 is a joke and makes it very sluggish, aside from the dated UI they've put on it.
Finally, a stop at T-Mobile, where the only decent one is the Galaxy. Similar specs, but no Sense. Felt somewhat slower, but perhaps the closest contender to HD2 with Android on top of WinMo.
So I have to say, there is no better hardware to run Froyo on the US market today. Or am I missing anything?
P.S. I don't think there's anything outside of the US either. Desire HD is promising to be amazing though.
Droid X, Droid 2? EVO?
although i'd pick htc over samsung, moto, etc., i'd say go check out the galaxy s line. those are the big time powerhouses right now. htc's got the incredible, evo, hd2, n1, etc. for not, so if none of those are floating your boat, wait a bit until the htc dual core monsters get released.
I agree with the dude above. As far as I know, the new Samsung is the highest spec'd t-mob android phone at the moment but I just don't want to mess around with Samsung. Desire was supposed to be an amazing phone but for some reason w/ similar hardware its benchmarks such. HTC is just spewing out phones so its hard to keep track. Unfortunately, the 1ghz processors on the Droids outperform the HD2, esp. in regards to 3d performance. So yeah, fingers crossed for dual core snapdragon (which has been around for a while actually in some form).
Its sort of odd that you find the hd2 acceptable and not the evo. I played with my friends evo and its the most responsive android phone i've seen. I played with an original Droid and hated it for a lot of reasons besides performance. I don't know how reliable this is, but the benchmarks I ran on mattc's 1.5 beat out every phone besides droid (fairly sure the first droid, EVO was not included in list). Darkstone's page has his build beating out every phone except for Nexus with 2.2. Although its looking like the hd2 is a serious contender, its def not at the top. If I had the choice, I would prob get a native android phone.
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I agree with the dude above. As far as I know, the new Samsung is the highest spec'd t-mob android phone at the moment but I just don't want to mess around with Samsung. Desire was supposed to be an amazing phone but for some reason w/ similar hardware its benchmarks such. HTC is just spewing out phones so its hard to keep track. Unfortunately, the 1ghz processors on the Droids outperform the HD2, esp. in regards to 3d performance. So yeah, fingers crossed for dual core snapdragon (which has been around for a while actually in some form).
Its sort of odd that you find the hd2 acceptable and not the evo. I played with my friends evo and its the most responsive android phone i've seen. I played with an original Droid and hated it for a lot of reasons besides performance. I don't know how reliable this is, but the benchmarks I ran on mattc's 1.5 beat out every phone besides droid (fairly sure the first droid, EVO was not included in list). Darkstone's page has his build beating out every phone except for Nexus with 2.2. Although its looking like the hd2 is a serious contender, its def not at the top. If I had the choice, I would prob get a native android phone.
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the processors dont out perform the snapdragon the gpus do
Eco is indeed nice except for a couple of things: it's thick and it has WiMax, which is sunsetting in favor of LTE.
Samsung uses Hummingbird and not Snapdragon - I assume those are similar in performance?
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Droid X, Droid 2? EVO?
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X is way too big, Droid 2 isn't much different from the original Droid - both lack the polish of HTC Sense and additional software. EVO is perfect, but too thick.
What is with the constant need to make these threads comparing the HD2 and other Android devices? In fact, why is there the need to compare any device with similar hardware specs? They all have obvious pros and cons.
The HD2 does have its benefits... for one there is no real 4.3" Android device on GSM, if you're outside the US you can't buy either the EVO or the Droid X so Android on the HD2 is your best best for a big screen Android (discounting the Dell Streak, way too big).
Even if you can purchase the EVO or the Droid X the HD2 still has something going for it. There are a few 4.3" phones on the market now but the HD2 is by far the sexiest and least ridiculous looking, even compared to its brother the EVO the HD2 is noticeably less bulky looking and more svelte.
But then again the EVO 4G and Droid X both have specs the HD2 doesn't, like a slightly higher resolution screen on the Droid X and 4G/HDMI out on the EVO 4G. They also both run Android natively which the HD2 doesn't. I have every confidence in the guys working on Android for the HD2 but I think being realistic the HD2 can come very close but not be perfect at running Android because it wasn't designed for it initially.
So yeah, I don't see the need to get all fanboy-ish and start shouting how awesome the HD2 is. It depends on the situation... I don't live in the US so I didn't have access to the other big screen Android devices, and I also wasn't sure I would love Android or just like it so I wanted the ability to revert back to WM if I wanted to. That coupled with the cheap price of the HD2 compared to other Snapdragon devices running Android natively made the HD2 the best choice for me.
But I'm not going to claim the HD2 is perfect at running Android or even the best of all the current phones... they all have pros and cons. If the HD2 had native Android with every last function working then I probably would say it was the perfect Android device. Some have slightly higher specs and some have fancy screen technologies the HD2 misses out on, but I really love the 4.3" screen and the HD2 seems like the nicest hardware package offering that size screen.
Two days ago operator made me an offer of any smartphone for free, I narrowed it down to the most expensive hehe: Iphone 4, Desire HD or a sgs and don't know which to buy. This is a once time deal I can't wait for dual cores and whatever else comes out next year I need to reach a decision this week.
What should I buy? I have seen and used all OSs . The only thing I like about the ios is the app store, I generally dislike Apple and Idrones.
I'm relatively tech savvy (in the non-douchy kinda way xD
Except some minor annoyances here and there I love android. Can any one give some advice? Thx and ho ho ho
iPhones kinda nice but not as much for the geek in you.
HD Desire ??
SGS awesome phone. Too bad they're blowing up left right and center.
Android app store is choke full of goodies and I've found cool stuff my bro can't get on his iphone4
Imo the SGS, the screen is just beautiful and the processor is a monster compared to the Desire HD and iPhone 4 is just not my cup of tea.
SGS will most likely be more optimised after Nexus S is release, I realy think it's already fast and powerfull, and it will only get better!
Camera is amazing and Night mode is franckly pretty amazing, you'd get more than what you can see!
HD Videos is pretty good also!
Sync is all with your GMail account, so pretty simple and straight forward. You can sync your outlook with GMail if needed.
And if you need to access the files on the device, the USB can be mounted so it's pretty fast to transfer things.
Only down I can see on the SGS is the "sometime" flawing GPS, not all the time but can be anoying sometimes :|
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SGS awesome phone. Too bad they're blowing up left right and center.
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Say whaat?
I think you should go for the Desire HD. It's got 768 MB of RAM vs. the 340 MB available (out of a claimed 512 MB) on the SGS. And it's got a bigger screen, almost an equally powerful processor, very snappy, and it's already got 2.3 Gingerbread.
If you need a powerhouse for games, SGS is the way to go though. Nothing matches it's GPU at the moment.
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I think you should go for the Desire HD. It's got 768 MB of RAM vs. the 340 MB available (out of a claimed 512 MB) on the SGS. And it's got a bigger screen, almost an equally powerful processor, very snappy, and it's already got 2.3 Gingerbread.
If you need a powerhouse for games, SGS is the way to go though. Nothing matches it's GPU at the moment.
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but i hear the battery wont hold me the entire day thats kinda important for me
and how does it have gingerbread ? the nexus s isnt even out yet i assume its just ripped from the emulator
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The internal SDCards are crapping out...
hmmm isnt that becouse of the ****ty samsung filesystem and/or bad kernel
and should i be concerned about only 339 ram?
Buy the iPhone 4, sell it for $600-$800 off contract, buy whatever phone you want. Personally I'd says Desire HD simply because Sense is much better than Touchwiz and it has the Sense.com features (free remote wipe, GPS tracking, text through phone through website, etc). However, the battery is kind of weak so I'd recommend a bigger one if you can find one.
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but i hear the battery wont hold me the entire day thats kinda important for me
and how does it have gingerbread ? the nexus s isnt even out yet i assume its just ripped from the emulator
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They ported it from Nexus One to Evo, and Desire HD is basically a variant of Evo
Damm I'm more confused now than when I started...
Iphone: don't really like how it feels in my hand, really small screen, absolutely no customization whatsoever.
good things: apps, no major bugs and better shades of blue lol.
Desire HD: seems to have the worst hardware out of the three (cpu and gpu) piece if crap battery, seems if it falls once is over, ****ty battery and sim cover and imo the camera that sticks out like the evo is really effing ugly
Good things: most ram out of the three, htcsense.com, biggest screen (preferences but I think 4" is perfect)
SGS: plagued by software bugs apparently, random data corruption, no flash, needs most tweaking out of the box
Good things: best screen cpu & gpu, the nexus s is almost the same phone which means better development porting the works(here's hoping) and best battery life
By comparison seems that the sgs wins overall categories
Its easy. If you want the best smartphone the its sgs.
Iphone is not as good many say.
I did have one and i did sell it.
Iphone has more good games. That's the only good with it.
The rest is much better with sgs.
HD phone is not better either.
It has more serious flaw then both sgs and iphone together.
Sgs is a powerhouse and it got the best screen of all phones.
Sure sgs can be laggy out of the box, but that is easy to fix.
So right now there is not a phone that's has anything to compete with.
The sgs will win it all the time.
**Using my own JPU kernel, z4mod, 339MB Ram and ext2 filesystem**
My father has an iphone3g and my uncle has the iphone 4 I jailbreaked it for him honestly I wasn't that impressed with the phone. The only thing I like about it is the apps mainly the games are much more refined than on android phones
Also why has the sgs only have 340ram ? On every page I looked it says 512. Will that bite us on the ass later I mean the dhd almost has 800 and phones are moving on 1gb .are you telling me the sgs has as much ram as my old ass hero?
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Also why has the sgs only have 340ram ? On every page I looked it says 512. Will that bite us on the ass later I mean the dhd almost has 800 and phones are moving on 1gb .are you telling me the sgs has as much ram as my old ass hero?
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It does use a 512MB chip, but only ~340MB of it is visible after you're booted up. Out of the other ~172MB, there's around 40MB that's unaccounted for (we don't know where its being used) and the rest of it is "reserved" (even when the functions it's reserved for are not in use) for stuff like video playback, 3G calling etc.
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I'd have to say i agree with Product F(RED)
Desire HD is the best phone on the list IMHO. But getting the ipoop and selling on will mean you can get the HD desire and still have some cash in your pocket
sgs is the best (imho!) it's a pain out of the box but that's why we love it so much, let's face it, most of us like tweaking and playing with our phones, it's half the fun. Flashing new roms, installing different lagfixes, uninstalling new roms, uninstalling new lagfixes, whoops I've broken it, nope, it's going again. The sgs is a geeks wet dream and in my experience it is very difficult to fully brick.
So if you want a phone that you are going to have to fiddle with, get the sgs. Jpu seems to have ironed out a lot of problems, I get perfect gps now, although it was pretty good before. I'm actually a little disapointed that jpu works so well, it kinda takes the fun out of it all
If this doesn't appeal to you then get the hd, it's a good phone, screen is not as good and it doesn't feel as fast as my tweaked sgs, but overall it's definitely a winner and you won't be disapointed
The iphone is also a good phone and not to be sniffed at, if you don't mind being spoon fed by apple.
i have to say SGS, because of the most powerful hardware, software is not important, because we can fix that easy , as surprise Samsung also tries there best, i think with JPU Firmware they show that they are willing todo everything, Hardware we can't fix, SGS has currently the fastest CPU + GPU specially the GPU!!!!! is amazing, why do you think Google went with Nexus S , because of Hardware, Speed, Quality, Availability.......
Nexus S and Android 2.3 Gingerbread was made to give game developers the best available Hardware and with Gingerbread many things which will make Game development easier and because of the CPU + GPU, which is almost the same as Iphone 4 has (SGS a little bit better), it will also make porting games from iphone to android pretty easy now.
About HTC Sense i agree it is a nice homescreen, but on the other hand it is a memory, cpu and battery monster! why do you think they have 768MB Memory and if we look at different homescreen replacements (ADW, Laucher Pro, Zeam,.......), then i really don't see the big advantage at all, but thats a taste decission
So for me i have to say i am very happy that i went with the SGS, i really can't understand users who say that the SGS is built cheap, i have the SGS now since the beginning, i don't use a screenprotector, the plastic is thin but it still looks like new also after falling on the floor (shame on me), compared to my previous HTC Units which where loosing color on there great metal casing and not by falling on the floor but because i used a leather case, the signal was often a issue for me (metal), dust was behind the screen after a short time,........
I have to say that the Samsung Hardware is such an improvement compared to HTC that i won't anytime soon look back to any HTC unit even if it would have a killler hardware.
But that are just my 2 cents on it
Go for the iPhone 4 unless you really need flash. It has the best screen of the three(the pentile matrix of the SGS is just horrible) and works correctly out of the box.
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Go for the iPhone 4 unless you really need flash. It has the best screen of the three(the pentile matrix of the SGS is just horrible) and works correctly out of the box.
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Care to elaborate on this? The iphone does have a gorgeous screen, but to call the sgs screen horrible is a bit like saying that Angelina Jolie is a dog. Sure there are better looking girls out there than her, but would you kick her out of bed? Most definitely not, unless you bat for the other team of coursee, in such a case swap angelina for brad or whom ever floats your boat.
Heya guys
as title suggests
I'm seriously entertaining the idea of trading my Cappy for an HD2 since it can run so many OS's and tweaking, not to mention a larger screen and slightly more RAM on the T-Mo version of the HD2.
What should I do?
there are obvious pros and cons for this move
Pros:
Bigger screen
More RAM on the T-Mo HD2
More OS's on the HD2---Android, WP7, etc
Cons:
Snapdragon SoC is 1st Gen on the HD2 and is slower than HummingBird SoC
LCD dislpay instead of SAMOLED display
so.....any opinions? I'm really tempted to trade, but I'm already planning to pick up a dual core phone some time Q3-4 next year as a treat for my birthday
cheers
As long as you don't let someone sell you a fualty HD2, you can not go wrong buying a HD2. Yeah the screen is not AMOLED screen. But the size of the scree makes up for that, plus I love the desplay quality. And yes the QualComm Snapdragon in the HD2 is first Gen, but still it is a SNAPDRAGON. They don't say release the dragon within for nothing. The Snapdragon is a awesome processor, don't let all the hipe about other processors fool you. They are all trying to catch the Snapdragon. Once the dual core Snapdragon devices start coming out the other companies will really begin to rush their production of another processor. I Just wonder what a 2ghz dual core Snapdragon could do, just me dreaming though lol.
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As long as you don't let someone sell you a fualty HD2, you can not go wrong buying a HD2. Yeah the screen is not AMOLED screen. But the size of the scree makes up for that, plus I love the desplay quality. And yes the QualComm Snapdragon in the HD2 is first Gen, but still it is a SNAPDRAGON. They don't say release the dragon within for nothing. The Snapdragon is a awesome processor, don't let all the hipe about other processors fool you. They are all trying to catch the Snapdragon. Once the dual core Snapdragon devices start coming out the other companies will really begin to rush their production of another processor. I Just wonder what a 2ghz dual core Snapdragon could do, just me dreaming though lol.
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Is there an issue with faulty hd2's or something?
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Despite what everyone else is saying about how the processors are different, they really aren't. All are built on the same ARM instruction set, maybe with a little modifications, and some other part, I don't remember, is the same. So what i'm saying, in terms of processing, they really aren't different. In terms of GPU you should know that the sgs beats the HD2, period.
Interestingly i temporarily traded my HD2 for my cousin's cappy. He wanted to try out the HD2 for its multi booting OS goodness, I wanted to try a true android phone. Now I'm going to confidently say the sgs runs android a lot smoother and faster than the HD2, just something you should note if you're looking for performance. However don't think i'm saying the HD2 running android isn't smooth at all, it is, it just won't compare to a true android phone.
However as you said you wanted to try multi booting and tweaking, so the phone will never get you bored in that aspect. You'll be on the site constantly searching for new roms to try out, just for the sake of flashing cuz you're so addicted to flashing.
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Despite what everyone else is saying about how the processors are different, they really aren't. All are built on the same ARM instruction set, maybe with a little modifications, and some other part, I don't remember, is the same. So what i'm saying, in terms of processing, they really aren't different. In terms of GPU you should know that the sgs beats the HD2, period.
Interestingly i temporarily traded my HD2 for my cousin's cappy. He wanted to try out the HD2 for its multi booting OS goodness, I wanted to try a true android phone. Now I'm going to confidently say the sgs runs android a lot smoother and faster than the HD2, just something you should note if you're looking for performance. However don't think i'm saying the HD2 running android isn't smooth at all, it is, it just won't compare to a true android phone.
However as you said you wanted to try multi booting and tweaking, so the phone will never get you bored in that aspect. You'll be on the site constantly searching for new roms to try out, just for the sake of flashing cuz you're so addicted to flashing.
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Hmmm, thanks a lot for sharing your experience.......
Well I don't really have to "downgrade/sidegrade"
It feels more like an impulse move
I really shouldn't....should I? I'm planning to get a new phone anyway later this year q3-q4
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Oh no don't get me wrong. I'm not saying the HD2 is horrible at running anything. it runs great, just not as good as a true device of the OS, apart form winmo.
Now since you're saying Q3/4 you'll be getting a new phone i say, why not? For me right now, i'm actually bored with the captivate. No offense to captivate users, but it feels like an iPhone right now. Reason being all the roms are so similar, no uniqueness or variety. Now its not the devs fault of course. What can devs do if they don't have an AOSP to work on?
i guess its cuz i'm so addicted to flashing from my hd2.
Anyways the Hd2 will keep you preoccupied until you get a new phone.
Kailkti said:
Oh no don't get me wrong. I'm not saying the HD2 is horrible at running anything. it runs great, just not as good as a true device of the OS, apart form winmo.
Now since you're saying Q3/4 you'll be getting a new phone i say, why not? For me right now, i'm actually bored with the captivate. No offense to captivate users, but it feels like an iPhone right now. Reason being all the roms are so similar, no uniqueness or variety. Now its not the devs fault of course. What can devs do if they don't have an AOSP to work on?
i guess its cuz i'm so addicted to flashing from my hd2.
Anyways the Hd2 will keep you preoccupied until you get a new phone.
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Yeah, that's what I'm thinking as well
Hows battery life and such?
Thanks!
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Mr.Pie[OCN] said:
Is there an issue with faulty hd2's or something?
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No it is not an issue for say with faulty HD2s, \but some [people on Ebay and such are selling HD2s that they have screwed up or someone has screwed up but tell people it is fixable or that there is nothing wrong with the phone when they know it is.
Mr.Pie[OCN] said:
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking as well
Hows battery life and such?
Thanks!
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Rather if I am Running Windows Mobile or a NAND Android ROM my battery will last for around 6 to 7 hours but that is with heavy use, I am a heavy user lol.
T-Macgnolia said:
No it is not an issue for say with faulty HD2s, \but some [people on Ebay and such are selling HD2s that they have screwed up or someone has screwed up but tell people it is fixable or that there is nothing wrong with the phone when they know it is.
Rather if I am Running Windows Mobile or a NAND Android ROM my battery will last for around 6 to 7 hours but that is with heavy use, I am a heavy user lol.
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thanks! I'm planning to pick up a 2.4k mah battery anyway and I usually bring my usb cable around
How hard is it to flash nand android onto the hd2?
cheers!
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It's not hard to flash android/WP7 on the Hd2.
I disagree with the person that said an SGS runs android "more smoothly" than the HD2.
I've got a CM7 ROM on my HD2 and it runs tons more smoothly than the lagtastic stock ROM on the SGS, no doubt. If you flash a DHD port then yeah, ok, it will be slower, but CM7 or even Sense runs faster and better IMO than stock SGS (not that SGS can even run sense). I've never used CM7 on SGS so can't compare that.
Honestly my Android is running fast and seems/feels like a native Android device. WP7 feels/runs like a native WP7 device except multi-touch can be a little tricky (sometimes doesn't register pinch-to-zoom).
I would NOT trade my HD2 for an SGS unless it was the 4G version that I would sell and buy an HD2 on the cheap and keep the extra money for tacos
I personally think it's a smart trade because the HD2 has more to offer and doesn't feel like a cheap piece of plastic, yeah SAMOLED is nice but it's not that much nicer and you get really used to the HD2 screen and get to really enjoy it.
I know the hummingbird soc is better than 1st gen snapdragon, but samsung is so horrible with their code they don't utilize it's power anyways, an iPhone 4 uses the same soc and blows the SGS out of the water with a lower clock speed...
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I disagree with the person that said an SGS runs android "more smoothly" than the HD2.
I've got a CM7 ROM on my HD2 and it runs tons more smoothly than the lagtastic stock ROM on the SGS, no doubt. If you flash a DHD port then yeah, ok, it will be slower, but CM7 or even Sense runs faster and better IMO than stock SGS (not that SGS can even run sense). I've never used CM7 on SGS so can't compare that.
Honestly my Android is running fast and seems/feels like a native Android device. WP7 feels/runs like a native WP7 device except multi-touch can be a little tricky (sometimes doesn't register pinch-to-zoom).
I would NOT trade my HD2 for an SGS unless it was the 4G version that I would sell and buy an HD2 on the cheap and keep the extra money for tacos
I personally think it's a smart trade because the HD2 has more to offer and doesn't feel like a cheap piece of plastic, yeah SAMOLED is nice but it's not that much nicer and you get really used to the HD2 screen and get to really enjoy it.
I know the hummingbird soc is better than 1st gen snapdragon, but samsung is so horrible with their code they don't utilize it's power anyways, an iPhone 4 uses the same soc and blows the SGS out of the water with a lower clock speed...
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CM7 is very buggy for the SGS anyway, that I never bothered to even flash it
thanks for the opinions!
@orange
It seems i forgot to mention on a custom rom. However why are you going to compare a device that is running on software that has not been optimized to the fullest, to one that has, and then conclude one is better? I'm sorry, but isn't that unfair? If you're going to compare, compare on even grounds, one on a custom rom, to the other on a custom rom.
Either way, we all know the sgs is a piece of crap with the stock rom due to its horrible file system. But with lagfixes/tweaks/custom roms, it becomes the diamond it was supposed to be.
Are you trying to decide if you should get an HTC Sensation and upgrade your HD2? Looking at those super awesome midnight deals over at T-Mobile.com for FREE sensations, and find it somewhat irresistible?
HAVE NO FEAR!
I have an HD2, and I just added a second line so my girlfriend could get the FREE Sensation, and I just spent a little bit playing around with both of them side-by-side.
They've very similar, I didn't really notice that big of a difference in speed between the phones. The brightness and vividness of the Sensation is of course much better, but it doesn't really "BLOW AWAY' the HD2. Don't get me wrong, it's a really nice display, but the qHD didn't make me gasp or anything. (unlike the SUPER AMOLED+).
In quadrant, she got 1440, and I got 1348. In speedtest.net, she got about 3.1 MB/s down, and I got 2.7 MB/s down.
The weight, thickness, height, and width are all about the same, with the Sensation being slivers less in each category.
The back of the Sensation is rounded, letting it sit in your hand better, but I think it also makes it feel less "sturdy". Maybe that's just because I had a rubber case on mine.
I was insanely jealous of her for the last few days while knowing that her phone was coming and she'd have a better phone than me, but honestly, now that I'm playing around with it a little bit, I'm not too worried. Sure, it has better technical specifications, dual core, more RAM, dual camera, better screen...ect... but it's nothing crazy awesome.
If you're on the fence on whether or not you should upgrade to the HTC Sensation or not, don't get me wrong; it's an amazing phone, just not "necessary".
Anyways, save a bit of your money, and instead just buy an extended battery for your HD2, or save up for the Galaxy S2 or Samsung Hercules, or whatever else is coming after that. I know I will be. Plus, with the incredible support by the community here for hacking new ROMs onto it, I'd stick with the HD2 for the time being.
Just my 2 cents. Hopefully you find this thread helpful.
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Are you trying to decide if you should get an HTC Sensation and upgrade your HD2? Looking at those super awesome midnight deals over at T-Mobile.com for FREE sensations, and find it somewhat irresistible?
HAVE NO FEAR!
I have an HD2, and I just added a second line so my girlfriend could get the FREE Sensation, and I just spent a little bit playing around with both of them side-by-side.
They've very similar, I didn't really notice that big of a difference in speed between the phones. The brightness and vividness of the Sensation is of course much better, but it doesn't really "BLOW AWAY' the HD2. Don't get me wrong, it's a really nice display, but the qHD didn't make me gasp or anything. (unlike the SUPER AMOLED+).
In quadrant, she got 1440, and I got 1348. In speedtest.net, she got about 3.1 MB/s down, and I got 2.7 MB/s down.
The weight, thickness, height, and width are all about the same, with the Sensation being slivers less in each category.
The back of the Sensation is rounded, letting it sit in your hand better, but I think it also makes it feel less "sturdy". Maybe that's just because I had a rubber case on mine.
I was insanely jealous of her for the last few days while knowing that her phone was coming and she'd have a better phone than me, but honestly, now that I'm playing around with it a little bit, I'm not too worried. Sure, it has better technical specifications, dual core, more RAM, dual camera, better screen...ect... but it's nothing crazy awesome.
If you're on the fence on whether or not you should upgrade to the HTC Sensation or not, don't get me wrong; it's an amazing phone, just not "necessary".
Anyways, save a bit of your money, and instead just buy an extended battery for your HD2, or save up for the Galaxy S2 or Samsung Hercules, or whatever else is coming after that. I know I will be. Plus, with the incredible support by the community here for hacking new ROMs onto it, I'd stick with the HD2 for the time being.
Just my 2 cents. Hopefully you find this thread helpful.
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I know exactly what you mean, yesterday i was with a friend that bought the S2, I was so jealous ), but only until we putted our phones side by side, there wasn´t a difference between speeds, the screen is much bright of course, but it feels somewhat artificial to me, the camera has very nice colors, more vivid than the HD2 runing Android, better but not huge difference, and what blowed me away was that my HD2 was faster to open some apps, I know that the his S2 is bone stock but that reminded me that the time to upgrade to something new hasn´t come yet, and when i started to boot 4 different roms my friend couldn´t believe it..
The HD2 is still a great phone..
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Are you trying to decide if you should get an HTC Sensation and upgrade your HD2? Looking at those super awesome midnight deals over at T-Mobile.com for FREE sensations, and find it somewhat irresistible?
HAVE NO FEAR!
I have an HD2, and I just added a second line so my girlfriend could get the FREE Sensation, and I just spent a little bit playing around with both of them side-by-side.
They've very similar, I didn't really notice that big of a difference in speed between the phones. The brightness and vividness of the Sensation is of course much better, but it doesn't really "BLOW AWAY' the HD2. Don't get me wrong, it's a really nice display, but the qHD didn't make me gasp or anything. (unlike the SUPER AMOLED+).
In quadrant, she got 1440, and I got 1348. In speedtest.net, she got about 3.1 MB/s down, and I got 2.7 MB/s down.
The weight, thickness, height, and width are all about the same, with the Sensation being slivers less in each category.
The back of the Sensation is rounded, letting it sit in your hand better, but I think it also makes it feel less "sturdy". Maybe that's just because I had a rubber case on mine.
I was insanely jealous of her for the last few days while knowing that her phone was coming and she'd have a better phone than me, but honestly, now that I'm playing around with it a little bit, I'm not too worried. Sure, it has better technical specifications, dual core, more RAM, dual camera, better screen...ect... but it's nothing crazy awesome.
If you're on the fence on whether or not you should upgrade to the HTC Sensation or not, don't get me wrong; it's an amazing phone, just not "necessary".
Anyways, save a bit of your money, and instead just buy an extended battery for your HD2, or save up for the Galaxy S2 or Samsung Hercules, or whatever else is coming after that. I know I will be. Plus, with the incredible support by the community here for hacking new ROMs onto it, I'd stick with the HD2 for the time being.
Just my 2 cents. Hopefully you find this thread helpful.
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So how's web browsing, pinch to zoom, scrolling when the page is loading (on default browser) & ofc, flash video/website loading times?
awesome post. Exactly the info I needed. Yeah, waiting is the best bet (if you can wait)
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So how's web browsing, pinch to zoom, scrolling when the page is loading (on default browser) & ofc, flash video/website loading times?
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All of those are about the same on Sensation stock as they are on HD2 CM7...
This makes me feel so much better, but at the same time feeling disappointed that there hasn't really been a major improvement in easily recognisable performance
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This makes me feel so much better, but at the same time feeling disappointed that there hasn't really been a major improvement in easily recognisable performance
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Well, we are comparing custom ROMs with bloated stock ROMs so it's not really fair.
If you loaded up a fully working CM7 ROM on a sensation it would obliterate the HD2, but that is far off, so for now the HD2 for me is the preferred phone. I may even wait for some quad core action before I upgrade.
with hd2 in some ROMs you can get 3000 points in quadrant with a bit of overclocking and of course playing around ppp/rmnet, switching roms, you can go up 3,3mbps in download, but we got an awesome development on this awesome phone, and we're still waiting for new Desire Kernel and GB to solve all current problems
i will not buy the htc sensation because i can buy 3 hd2 with that price, and i wouldn't feel the BIG difference, but in the future, sgs2 will be my phone (i never buyed a phone >180€, maybe i'll have to wait 2 years and i'll use rock solid custom ROMs )
Have to disagree, the Sensataion is far superior on every level, the camera/video is arguably the best out there, the colours are vivid (dense and rich), the speed is obviously faster, it boots in seconds. Opens apps very quickly (as quick as my g2x which has been modded with cy 7, netflix and web browsing, lightening on the 4g network... It feels very comfortable to hold, and you don't sense your holding a large phone, great design..Don't get me wrong, I love my Hd2 (I've owned about 4 or more) and the spare battery helps. But honestly, the Sensation is a truly exceptionaldevice... The camera and video is quite incredible....
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Have to disagree, the Sensataion is far superior on every level, the camera/video is arguably the best out there, the colours are vivid (dense and rich), the speed is obviously faster, it boots in seconds. Opens apps very quickly (as quick as my g2x which has been modded with cy 7, netflix and web browsing, lightening on the 4g network... It feels very comfortable to hold, and you don't sense your holding a large phone, great design..Don't get me wrong, I love my Hd2 (I've owned about 4 or more) and the spare battery helps. But honestly, the Sensation is a truly exceptionaldevice... The camera and video is quite incredible....
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I used a sensation for about 2 weeks, couldn't wait to get back on my HD2, the stock ROM on the sensation to me is pretty bad, the UI lagged, the camera was ok but 8mp isn't a must have for me. It didn't seem to open apps that much faster than my current CM7 ROM, 4G was slightly faster than HSDPA, I dunno, just didn't wow me.
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Have to disagree, the Sensataion is far superior on every level, the camera/video is arguably the best out there, the colours are vivid (dense and rich), the speed is obviously faster, it boots in seconds. Opens apps very quickly (as quick as my g2x which has been modded with cy 7, netflix and web browsing, lightening on the 4g network... It feels very comfortable to hold, and you don't sense your holding a large phone, great design..Don't get me wrong, I love my Hd2 (I've owned about 4 or more) and the spare battery helps. But honestly, the Sensation is a truly exceptionaldevice... The camera and video is quite incredible....
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Do you think it's worth the money, especially when there's the g2x for a much cheaper price?
I'd take a Sensation over the g2x because
1) there is going to be much much more development for it.
2) qHD
3) the g2x will probably never be able to run Sense.
evereste said:
Have to disagree, the Sensataion is far superior on every level, the camera/video is arguably the best out there, the colours are vivid (dense and rich), the speed is obviously faster, it boots in seconds. Opens apps very quickly (as quick as my g2x which has been modded with cy 7, netflix and web browsing, lightening on the 4g network... It feels very comfortable to hold, and you don't sense your holding a large phone, great design..Don't get me wrong, I love my Hd2 (I've owned about 4 or more) and the spare battery helps. But honestly, the Sensation is a truly exceptionaldevice... The camera and video is quite incredible....
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I agree with you, the Sensation IS superior on every level. But it's not so incredibly better to warrant purchasing a new $600 phone. (Unless you have tons of disposable income.)
I know that the Sensation bootloader just got unlocked (or at least is planning to become unlocked in the near future according to HTC). So that'll give it some hacking support, but still....
Yes, the camera is much better, but nothing to blow someone out of the water.
For comparison, I went from a HTC: G1 original Android phone, to a HD2, and patiently waited with the WinMo 6.5 until Android on SD was released. It's a WORLD of difference between a Android HD2 and an original G1.
I think I can justify waiting for a Samsung Hercules, or a Samsung Galaxy 3D.
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or a Samsung Galaxy 3D.
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whaaaa??
is that foreal?
orangekid said:
whaaaa??
is that foreal?
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Samsung's answer to the HTC Evo 3D and LG Optimus 3D is set to arrive in Q4, making it the perfect Christmas present.
The Samsung Galaxy 3D is said to be very similar to the Samsung Galaxy S2, with a 1.2GHz dual-core processor and 4.3-inch touchscreen.
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http://www.knowyourmobile.com/blog/988411/samsung_galaxy_3d_set_to_land_by_christmas.html
what a lot of us dont really get the point is to accept that yes..the HD2 is getting old and yes other HTC device's are getting better hardware and software in comparison with the HD2.
However we still claim HD2 to be the best device..just because we have the power to run multiple OS's. No doubt thats a strong point but we will have to let it go someday.
I am thinking myself to go for the HTC Sensation....but doesnt mean i will not use my HD2...
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what a lot of us dont really get the point is to accept that yes..the HD2 is getting old and yes other HTC device's are getting better hardware and software in comparison with the HD2.
However we still claim HD2 to be the best device..just because we have the power to run multiple OS's. No doubt thats a strong point but we will have to let it go someday.
I am thinking myself to go for the HTC Sensation....but doesnt mean i will not use my HD2...
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No, the reason is that we can run multiple ROMs of the same OS optimized to run about as well/better than the stock sensation ROM, the only thing the sensation has over the HD2 IMO is the camera and 1080p playback, other than that I would much rather have CM7 on my HD2.
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what a lot of us dont really get the point is to accept that yes..the HD2 is getting old and yes other HTC device's are getting better hardware and software in comparison with the HD2.
However we still claim HD2 to be the best device..just because we have the power to run multiple OS's. No doubt thats a strong point but we will have to let it go someday.
I am thinking myself to go for the HTC Sensation....but doesnt mean i will not use my HD2...
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No, what I actually mean to say, is although hardware and software is getting better and better on other devices, it's worth it to wait and continue using a still very relevant HD2, updating the ROM's to current OS's, so you can hold off buying a new phone and instead save money to get an even BETTER piece of hardware 4-6 months down the road.
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No, the reason is that we can run multiple ROMs of the same OS optimized to run about as well/better than the stock sensation ROM, the only thing the sensation has over the HD2 IMO is the camera and 1080p playback, other than that I would much rather have CM7 on my HD2.
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true that. but look after a point we too know that a native android device will still have an advantage over our Hd2 roms. You know...i have been running the American android SD version for months now..but when it comes to NAND somehow I cant make my mind...i still love WM6.5 and the battery life is great....something which i am a little skeptical on nand android !
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No, what I actually mean to say, is although hardware and software is getting better and better on other devices, it's worth it to wait and continue using a still very relevant HD2, updating the ROM's to current OS's, so you can hold off buying a new phone and instead save money to get an even BETTER piece of hardware 4-6 months down the road.
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yeah...of course i agree....we can continue to use it i believe atleast for the next 1-2 year..unless somesort of amazing phone technology comes up making my HD2 obsolete.
my friend has a Thunderbolt and now he wants a Sensation...!! lol...
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true that. but look after a point we too know that a native android device will still have an advantage over our Hd2 roms. You know...i have been running the American android SD version for months now..but when it comes to NAND somehow I cant make my mind...i still love WM6.5 and the battery life is great....something which i am a little skeptical on nand android !
yeah...of course i agree....we can continue to use it i believe atleast for the next 1-2 year..unless somesort of amazing phone technology comes up making my HD2 obsolete.
my friend has a Thunderbolt and now he wants a Sensation...!! lol...
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Getting rid of a Thunderbolt for a Sensation is ridiculous.