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I opened this thread because i really want to know what you other guys think about the new visual changes of WM 6.5. I personally think they are ugly and there is very little innovation in it. so basically most of things are increased in size ...When i saw for the frst time the mods i thought they were done by some registry change. if you compare it what HTC has done graphically is very very little i think. MS wants to make wm finger friendly by increasing the size of the graphic objects and dont care even if they look well or are aligned.
opinios are welcome
Agh who cares about the standard 6.5 home screen, everone has TouchFlo anyway...which is waaay better
i think 6.5 home is sexy, especially with the few themes made by some devs here on xda, i cant wait til seus give us 6.5(thats if)
i like the titanium home screen much more than TouchFlo
well the home wasnt my point actually i mean those new windows and those giant notifications ... sooo ugly ...
informatico said:
well the home wasnt my point actually i mean those new windows and those giant notifications ... sooo ugly ...
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I agree with you, I thought that was a bug with my rom or it wasn't 'cooked' properly. I think MS have a long way to go to match the IPhone and various other touch phone interfaces.
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match the IPhone and various other touch phone interfaces.
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Why? .
I think you guys are expecting WM7 features to be in WM6.5. That's just not the case. What I've seen (in the betas) isn't bad, but, definitely does not compete with next-gen smartphone OS'es (yet). I wouldn't judge WM6.5 until it is released.
I think the eye-candy element is only part of making a GUI and OS great. What else helps is refinement, speed and stability.
htc have said they are developing the Sense UI for eclair, but in my opinion, there is nothing seriuosly wrong with the standard Android UI as it is,
why dont they release the Sense UI afterwards as as optional upgrade?
i think they are wasting their time, i buy HTC phones for the good hardware design and components, not for the UI, even on WM i used to turn off their enhancements to the WM UI.
does anyone else feel they are wasting their time?
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totally not on your side. sense ui is great, i like it much better than stock android. also not on your side concerning htc's improvments in general, sorry...
Love the Sense UI.
Gives it a polished feel. Onlt concern I have is over long term support for it as the device becomes last year's model. But by then, standard Android should be much more polished as well...
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Love the sense UI. Will not go back to Android UI.
Had a G1 running "vanilla" Android prior to my Hero, and I wouldn't want to go back to the standard interface. Sense UI all the way for me!
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I dont see a lot of people agreeing with you. SenseUI is fantastic. Can't wait to see what they do with Android 2.0
Sense is perhaps redundant in some ways, but also very much valuable in many places. The 7 home screens are way more spacious than the default 3. The unified contacts view allows me to get all I need to know about a contact from one place. The skinned apps are more finger-friendly and provide a more consistent user experience.
Overall, I think Sense adds great value to the Android platform, and sets the Hero apart from other Android phones. That's not to say vanilla Android is bad, but it's what it is: vanilla.
I think of Android as more of a bare minimum enabler as opposed to a full mobile OS. Yes indeed, it can be run as a full mobile OS, but the experience is minimal. However, it lays the framework for vendors to differentiate their products from the competition, while maintaining application cross-compatibility.
another problem i see in future is the android os fracturing in the same way linux has, ironically.
yes there is a vanilla feel to the standard android theme, but it runs fast and stable, unlike the sense ui which has already crashed at least once (yes, latest updates have been applied), this sort of thing was common with the WM skins that HTC developed.
for me, the main factor is stability not looks, as im not going to be spending my day looking at the screen. if its not stable enough to not go a day without crashing, then theres problems. moving to htc android from htc wm, i was hoping there would be more stability but not yet.
I kinda like good old vanilla, but sense does look really nice. Things I really like about sense is: contacts, browser, camera, album and calendar. These features are hard to let go of. The special widgets are not a real big deal.
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another problem i see in future is the android os fracturing in the same way linux has, ironically.
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This is always going to be an issue given that Android uses a non-copyleft open source licence. It is simultaneously both a good and bad thing!
yes there is a vanilla feel to the standard android theme, but it runs fast and stable, unlike the sense ui which has already crashed at least once (yes, latest updates have been applied), this sort of thing was common with the WM skins that HTC developed.
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Not discounting your experience at all, but I came from a G1 running vanilla Android, and I've found that Hero/Sense is at least as stable as that.
for me, the main factor is stability not looks, as im not going to be spending my day looking at the screen. if its not stable enough to not go a day without crashing, then theres problems. moving to htc android from htc wm, i was hoping there would be more stability but not yet.
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If you have problems with your Hero crashing daily, you definitely have problems. I seldom feel the need to reboot my Hero. Then again, whilst I use a Modaco ROM, I don't use Apps2SD, Swapper, or regularly kill tasks, and many of the problems I see on this site are likely related to those.
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Sense UI only means every nice thing Google does for Android has to go through HTC, which takes time. Also after 2.0 Android we will not get anything new to Hero from HTC, I can guarantee that. You will have to buy "Hero II".
Sense is a way for HTC to stamp their own branding on the phone. Its a differentiator amongst the coming wave of Android devices.
People have done this for years with WiMo and Symbian.
Its called marketing
I think HTC have done an amazing job with their GUI, as said above, it adds polish to an excellent OS.
Nothing worse IMHO than having a new handset that may look different hardware wise but just like everything else when you look at the screen. Which you do whenever you use it
i have never understood why people are so concerned about the looks more than the functionality/stability. but then i've never understood much about human behaviour
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i have never understood why people are so concerned about the looks more than the functionality/stability. but then i've never understood much about human behaviour
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Well, in my opinion, it's more functional and at least as stable. So, I don't see your problem!
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Dave
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htc have said they are developing the Sense UI for eclair, but in my opinion, there is nothing seriuosly wrong with the standard Android UI as it is,
why dont they release the Sense UI afterwards as as optional upgrade?
i think they are wasting their time, i buy HTC phones for the good hardware design and components, not for the UI, even on WM i used to turn off their enhancements to the WM UI.
does anyone else feel they are wasting their time?
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definetly: NO. Sense UI is the best thing which happened to Android.
Pure Android just doesn't look professional UI wise. HTC was the first company who provided a great skin to android AND made it more functional also (HTC SENSE Contacts app is nearly perfect).
Yes pure Android might be faster, and HTc Touch FLO on Windows Mobile was SLOW. BUT HTC Sense on Android is really fast enough for me. especially after the update. And i can't live without all the great Sense Apps and widgets.
Sorry for my self promotion, but i wrote exactly about this issue on my blog. I'm a longterm Windows Mobile user switching to android, thanks to HTC and HTC Sense. I think HTC Sense brought Android to the next level Usability and UI wise:
http://smartphoneblogging.com/2009/09/a-longterm-windows-mobile-user-switching-to-android-part-4-htc-sense-review/
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Sense UI only means every nice thing Google does for Android has to go through HTC, which takes time. Also after 2.0 Android we will not get anything new to Hero from HTC, I can guarantee that. You will have to buy "Hero II".
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that maybe true. in this case you can always root your phone and get the further updates via xda devs...
still "not getting updates" for 3 years is not enough to let HTC Sense go. It provides just so much better usability. The folks at google can't provide such an experience up to now, and they never will because the whole concept of Android is: take the OS framework, and customize it to your liking, thats when companies like HTC come into play.
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i have never understood why people are so concerned about the looks more than the functionality/stability. but then i've never understood much about human behaviour
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it's not about looks, it's about USABILITY and FUNCTIONALITY, not only one of them. And overall HTC Sense has both.
HTC adds even more to the mix like multitouch and the whole facebook, twitter, flickr integration. Yeah Android 2.0 provides this too now, but HTC will keep adding stuff which is missing in vanilla android.
i accept the point that this is about marketing, but its not like i would forget that this is a HTC phone if the interface did not remind me 24 hrs a day.
i also resent the fact that the default is to have the Sense UI on. it would be ok if there was a more of a choice. maybe i havent yet learnt how to turn it off properly, im a bit of a android noob , i confess
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i also resent the fact that the default is to have the Sense UI on. it would be ok if there was a more of a choice. maybe i havent yet learnt how to turn it off properly, im a bit of a android noob , i confess
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Each to their own of course, but to resent Sense being the default UI is probably a bit harsh when Sense is one of the key features that Hero is marketed with!
If you really want to use the default home screen, the easiest method would be to download "Home Switcher" from the Market (yes, I know it can be done manually, but this is easier!).
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Dave
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i accept the point that this is about marketing, but its not like i would forget that this is a HTC phone if the interface did not remind me 24 hrs a day.
i also resent the fact that the default is to have the Sense UI on. it would be ok if there was a more of a choice. maybe i havent yet learnt how to turn it off properly, im a bit of a android noob , i confess
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You can switch to default Android home quite easily. Go to settings, mnage apps, findd touchFLO, reset it's default category. And press home button - you will be able to choose betwen 2 homes and set a default one again.
Hopefuly you will see how much worse the original home is - even sliding through homescreeens feels unpolished and not smooth. I use 1.6 on the Magic too and trust me, HTC is a savior for Android. Would not use Android at all without SenseUI.
Also, there is a myth that SenseUI stuff sit on top on original Android, like TouchFLO sits on top of WinMo. But that is not true. Since Android is open source, HTC just modify and manipulate it. HTC home is separate though, but it is based on Androids home and runs in the same level.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATUY6lO_bRE
i want that lock screen. and i want that theme. and i never liked the 6.5.x/6.6 builds but that looks great and i want it too.
htcs really gone off the deep end. wvga sense for android, half-vga windows mobile device, and a phone that doesnt run droid or winmo.
Your right it does look rather cool, hopefully someone will port this to the Leo.
Porthing the "Sense"
do you think that the HTC Sense on the HD Mini will be able to port over to more low end devices? I have my Touch Pro 2 now and I still miss my old LG Incite so as a last wish of respect for it is it possible to transfer HVGA to WQVGA?
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i want that lock screen. and i want that theme. and i never liked the 6.5.x/6.6 builds but that looks great and i want it too.
htcs really gone off the deep end. wvga sense for android, half-vga windows mobile device, and a phone that doesnt run droid or winmo.
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I agree with you 100%, that lockscreen would look great on my Vogue.
we need to get that build and matching theme too.
i just noticed they moved this thread. i wanted it on my rhodium!
The theme has been posted on XDA meanwhile......http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5801967#post5801967
Hey guys i was wondering how everyone likes their hd2 because i have a mytouch slide but this guy is willing to trade his hd2 for it and i know nothing about winmobile. Is it good i heard a lot of bad rumors about winmobile so just want some input from people who actually own this phone thanks.
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I wont lie. I never really liked the phone until after I flashed it. There were to many freezes and to me the start menu looked plain. I know the new tmobile rom fixed some issues but a custom really did the trick for me. Now, I don't think android could really satisfy me like windows mobile does. So, if you're not willing to flash I wouldn't trade.
What do you like best about the mytouch slide? I'm actually interseted in getting one cuz I miss having a real keyboard.
The keyboard is the best on this phone its actually fast as hell and the camera with flash is nice my only problem is there is only like two people deving for it so there arnt a whole lot of roms to choses from thats why im thinking about trading it.
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The keyboard is the best on this phone its actually fast as hell and the camera with flash is nice my only problem is there is only like two people deving for it so there arnt a whole lot of roms to choses from thats why im thinking about trading it.
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I'll tell you this much. The worst thing about the HD2 is it's keyboard. I don't care what anyone says its impossible for me to get use to it. Fortunately, the amount of the support for the phone is awesome. And I love that I can play avi movies, use as a wifi router, and customize everything about the phone. There is a lack of support on the Microsoft market but almost everything can be found on xda or the net if you look hard enough. The one app i need is an age calculator for the hd2, which I'm convinced does not exist. If I were you I'd keep the mytouch and buy an HD2 off craigslist. I believe they're running about $250, which isn't bad.
Edit: Just found an age calculator. It's very plain jane but it's exactly what I need for work. http://uploaded.to/file/5m2co3/age-calculator.1.0.CAB
I would go for the HD2 as long as it hasn't been abused. I would play with it as much as possible before making the trade to make sure. As has been already stated the HD2 really shines when you flash the ROM. Since you rooted your slide I am guessing you wouldn't be shy about that. My wife is using the latest Tmous ROM though and is happy with the phone. If you end up absolutely hating WM you might not be stuck as Android for the HD2 is moving along fairly quickly. I am perfectly fine with WM so I don't see a problem. The only downside to the trade could be non-comparable battery life and that the HD2 doesn't have a hardware keyboard. For me the soft keyboard + swype is considerably better than a hardware keyboard. Run to a Tmo store a try it out if you are on the fence, just make sure you try out swype when you do.
The Htc Leo is a beast it's the Godfather of Wm 6.5 phones!
Stock the phone is ok but a touch buggy. Replace the stock rom with Energy or another custom rom and your in hog heaven running 10 times more stable then Android or iOS. Now that being said if your used to Android or iOS, WiMo is way way different. Its like a real computer crossed with a phone, you will need to download cabs manually to install software. There are a couple markets but nothign like apple or droid. But if you search the internet theirs actually 10's or thousands more apps made for wimo then either of the other OS's just because wimo's been around a decade. Ok after all that wimo is a business phone, if you plan on needing FTP, HTML editing, GPS apps, WORD, excel, streaming TV, streaming radio, or doing anything "hardcore" on your phone wimo is your only option. Its just quite a curve. People have gotten spoiled with all the new OS's that do everything for you and lock oyu out of everything. Then they come over to a wimo where everything is open and you have to go find everything and some have issues, they juts wanna click a button adn be done.
I also agree with DECIM8 , the virtual KB is far superior to a real phone KB. Especially swype. I can actually use that. I have mutated thumbs where one is short and fat, the other is long and slender so my thumbs suck for phone typing. But with swype I can use my index finger and just fly through words.
The slide comes with swype as well so its nice. But the keyboard is so spaced out on the slide its so nice the only downfall is just the lack of support everyone is tryng to sell theirs to get the vibrant or the nexus one so it kinda feels like the phone is outdated already
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The most thing i like hd2 is the potential to run other OS such as: android, linux or even window mobile 7
take a lot of getting used to for WM users and even more fro those new to windows mobile, im still on stock rom and have been ok so far, i wont flash until ive experienced the real problems
Speed increase is worth flashing alone. I picked up about 50% more speed and smoothness with the custom roms over stock.
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I'll tell you this much. The worst thing about the HD2 is it's keyboard. I don't care what anyone says its impossible for me to get use to it.
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I agree about the virtual keyboard. Swipe works only when you hold the phone in one hand upright and use the index finger of your dominant hand. It's not a very natural typing position, especially if you're used to using your thumbs. I don't know what it is about the virtual keyboard, but it is impossible to type a message quickly without mangling up the entire thing with errors (even in xd9 mode).
has any one came over from android and if so what do you think
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Love the visibility of the screen.
Sense is nice, but not geared for those of us who need a lot of links to files on our devices.
Selection sensitivity of the screen was horrendous out of the box. I flashed Spikegotti's Unoff 23127 ROM and that helped alot, both with the sensivity and overall performance of the device.
It is very fast indeed, I think I'm going to like the Snapdragon processor a lot.
I installed Spb Mobile Shell 3.5.5 and I have to say that between that and Spike's ROM, it improves the device, for me, to the point where I'll use it as my daily phone. That being said, the capacitive screen is going to take some time to get used to. It is not really geared toward selecting small things on the screen, such as individual cells in Excel, especially when they are links.
The keyboard is OK. I am not really a fan of HW keyboards. If the QWERTY KB allowed for customization (ie remapping of keys), and over time I could get used to placing my fingers exactly so to get the key I want, I could grow to love it. But without the customization if is just OK. Also, in landscape it takes too much of the screen in some apps.
I've installed Gyrator2 after trying several other rotation apps. It makes the HD2 much more useful for reading and research of the documentation I rely on.
Radio reception seems to be as good for me, in my locales as the TP2. HTC has come a long way in that. My Nokias do not do any better than them anymore.
Is it perfect? NO. Is it as close to perfect as my TP2? In most ways yes, and in some ways it is closer. Do I regret my purchase? No, but I'm not giving up my TP2 yet either, just in case.
All right looks like tomorrow im doing the trade im really nervouse about leaving android
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I would do the trade assuming the HD2 is in good condition and works fine. Winmo doesn't feel as refined as android and imo isn't as good of an OS BUT, the HD2 has tons of support and you can already run android on it fairly well and things are moving very very fast here. I would expect a fully functional android rom for the HD2 pretty soon. The phone can also run ubuntu (though still in beta stages here too) and has potential for windows phone 7.
The hardware also blows the mytouch slide out of the water.
The hardware is key for me just because all the developers are skipping the slide in favor of the vibrant or nexus one
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I was using Milestone before picking up an hd2, and The hd2 is just awesome even if it's running wm 6.5.
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Came from a MT3G rooted. The hardware certainly flies compared to my previous phone and an iPhone 3g. The things I missed most are the pull-down notification bar, gmail integration (Android Gmail App), and the app market.
Yes, you can do just about anything and everything with the HD2 as people have already stated. Overall you will get a more "PC" like experience with this phone versus a "Touch-Optimized" experience like Android or iOS. The UI will scare you in a lot of aspects once you discover the WinMO underlinings, and the apps that you will find. If you don't mind asthetics, then this won't be so much a problem for you as it was for me.
As always, it comes down to what you are using it for, and what you expect from your phone.
What to update every one so I did the trade and tried windows for a bit just wasn't my thing but this phone runs android like a beast
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wow, have yall seen how smooth windows phone 7 is? the pinch to zoom , the great animations when going from app to app or screen to screen... apple pinch to zoom is better smooth and if you've seen windows phone 7, it seems like the manufacturer of the iphone gave the tips to windows phone seven manufacturers because pinch to zoom is almost identical in the browser. However, with ANDROID, it's not as nearly as smooth even without flash 10.1.. yall can't deny that and it's kind of annoying. Its with all android phones.. the only thing that comes close to iphone pinch to zoom is sense running on a fast processor but even then its still not as buttery. I wonder what you guys think. Will gingerbread address the lag with the browser?
Why on Earth did you feel this belonged in the Vibrant general forum? The browser works just fine for me on all three Android phones I've owned, one of them not even being native Android (HD2). My Vibrant and EVO both ran/run beautifully smooth (after the lag fix on the Vibrant that is), in the browser and everywhere else where pinch to zoom was applicable...
I think its ugly.
I'm using bionix and I can't believe it's not butter.
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I think its ugly.
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Plus this... That interface is just hideous to me. I understand that a lot of people will like it, and it will probably be rather successful, but it's just flat out obnoxious to me.
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Why on Earth did you feel this belonged in the Vibrant general forum? The browser works just fine for me on all three Android phones I've owned, one of them not even being native Android (HD2). My Vibrant and EVO both ran/run beautifully smooth (after the lag fix on the Vibrant that is), in the browser and everywhere else where pinch to zoom was applicable...
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I wish I could block you from my thread. I POSTED IT IN HERE BECAUSE I WANTED TO. It's a general discussion, question, opinions... get lost. Don't ask me why I post it in here and then give your opinion on the subject. what's wrong with yall people.
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Why on Earth did you feel this belonged in the Vibrant general forum? The browser works just fine for me on all three Android phones I've owned, one of them not even being native Android (HD2). My Vibrant and EVO both ran/run beautifully smooth (after the lag fix on the Vibrant that is), in the browser and everywhere else where pinch to zoom was applicable...
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I'm using bionix and I can't believe it's not butter.
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lol it's nice.. Im running it to but I don't even have the kernel overclocked and the phone is burning up!
Why dont you get an iphone or windows phone then?
The cake is a lie!
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I wish I could block you from my thread. I POSTED IT IN HERE BECAUSE I WANTED TO. It's a general discussion, question, opinions... get lost. Don't ask me why I post it in here and then give your opinion on the subject. what's wrong with yall people.
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Every thread you start you get in a fight with someone and yell how you have the right to post here.
This is the VIBRANT general section. Your post is about Android and WP7... not the Vibrant. Not only do I disagree with your sentiment, but you should not be posting this HERE.
Check out all of these threads you have started. This is absurd:
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Why dont you get an iphone or windows phone then?
The cake is a lie!
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Well I know I plan to get a HD7. I think it looks pretty cool and I love that they are trying to create a completely new UI. Lets face it people, Android at times seems just like iOS but with more options. WP& is breaking some fresh air into the mix.
And why can't we talking about reasons to or not to get a WP7 phone over our vibrants? Seems like a topic for a vibrant forum to me. Back on the N1 forum we had topics about the reasons to upgrade to a vibrant from an N1 threads. Yea we had some people go in their and wine, but not like this thread..... Hell we even had a thread mentioning the good things about the iPhone 4 when it was announced and people didnt have to go in there and start flame wars....
Seriously the self named mods who go in a thread and wine need to go back and hide in whatever corner they came from. Against your popular beliefs your posts 1) do not delete a thread 2) give a bump to a thread you disagree with. See the irony here?
And to get back to what the OP was saying, yes WP7 does appear to be smoother and more polished than android. It doesn't have all the features yet but I'm guessing by mid 2011 it will have every major feature android has.
Whenever someone cries about features like pinch to zoom or people who brag about how many homescreens they have. I automatically think NOOB. might be just me but why come to vibrant section to troll about wm7. I probably will get a wm7 phone because im a gadget junky.
Do you feel better after making this thread?
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WP 7 LOL
Windows products are always full of issues. I have a HD 2 and Vibrant. The hd2 even customized is only 65% as good as the Vibrant stock. I tried the WP7 its cool but it not Android. So, If you want to be wow'd by the baubles Like "it has a great pinch to zoom" feature Then you have identified yourself as a retail user.. Great !!
go buy one the others who know how to make a phones' op "Sing" will continue on
I'll have to agree with that. When I flick through homescreens, no matter what launcher I'm using, it doesn't even compare to my old ipod touch 2g, with its crappy 500mhz cpu. Same when I scroll through pages, etc. Apple just does a much better optimization of their OS in this way.
I'll keep my multitasking and copy & paste over a slightly better pinch n zoom. Some of the reviews I've been hearing about WP7 are bad. Like games taking 3 minutes to open and over slow 3rd party apps.
UI hardware acceleration. It is coming, but not here yet. I can live with a bit of UI lag, so long as it is consistant. Although it will be nice when we do get hardware acceleration.
*Picks Up My Out-Dated Zune HD*
Dude Your Late, Now. GTFO!
My G2 and Vibrant(after installing Bionix/Eugene's ROM and with Voodoo) both are butter smooth as my iPad and previously rented iPhone 4. G2 is butter smooth out of the box.
As previous user have pointed out Apple uses hardware acceleration (GPU); so the UI seems more responsive. Since they build everything in house this optimization can be done much easier than say for Google to cater to different hardware by many manufacturers.
Now the bad new: UI hardware acceleration is in Gingerbread.
I'm getting a Windows Phone 7 because the pinch to zoom is better.
In related news: I'm a total toolbag.
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I'll have to agree with that. When I flick through homescreens, no matter what launcher I'm using, it doesn't even compare to my old ipod touch 2g, with its crappy 500mhz cpu. Same when I scroll through pages, etc. Apple just does a much better optimization of their OS in this way.
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2 words. No multitasking.