Yesterday I purchased a HD2 also called Leo, running original WWE ROM from HTC
I have installed several apps including Sloved dictionaries, Lingosoft dictionaries.
Some are in "touch mode" version, some are not. Those apps who are NOT in touch mode, are virtually impossible to operate, due to the new screen. Small Icons and scroll down menu are almost impossible to "touch" they never give the correct results.
Leo seems NOT very compatible. The reason, I guess, is the new screen type: it it different, it is similar to iPhone. They call it resistive screen.
Both iPhone and HD2 you cannot use stylus or pen (simply the screen does not react). Both cannot use the nail of the finger (it does not react).
The thumb and the finger tip areas (which is the only area which can input into the device) are too gross and wide to be precise....
You need to use the soft part of the finger (I guess in English it is called finger tip, or end of the finger), below the nail, in order to have the screen react to your inputs.
I have tried many times: in my software the small icons on top bars, and all scroll down menus ARE TOO SMALL to be tipped with finger tip or thumb tip.
They cannot accessed, or they give wrong results or you need tens of attempts to get it right. Most of the time inputs are not responsive, sometimes they are, with unpredictable or wrong results (for example you open phone ring scroll down menu and click on a ring type "A" and the phone interpret as ring type "C")
This is terrible...altough I admit the 4.3" screen is awesome and superb...What can be done?
1. is there an application which restore or adjust the screen sensibility so that it can be used with NON-TOUCH softwwares?
2. or are all developers going to release new touch-friendly version of their software...suitable to this type of screens?
Thanks a lot
Saulo
saulo866 said:
1. is there an application which restore or adjust the screen sensibility so that it can be used with NON-TOUCH softwwares?
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You can try pinch zooming.
saulo866 said:
2. or are all developers going to release new touch-friendly version of their software...suitable to this type of screens?
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They will, but it may take some time and won't happen overnight. They will have to do it to stay alive because of WM7 compatibility requirements.
It may be a (huge) inconvenience for some users like you, but it's a trend that won't be reversed.
Congrats on the new handset.
saulo866 said:
Leo seems NOT very compatible. The reason, I guess, is the new screen type: it it different, it is similar to iPhone. They call it resistive screen.
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The screen on the HD2 and the iPhone is capacitive, not resistive.
saulo866 said:
Both iPhone and HD2 you cannot use stylus or pen (simply the screen does not react). Both cannot use the nail of the finger (it does not react).
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You can use a special kind of stylus, I believe some people have bought one for the iPhone on ebay. Also, HTC has patented a magnet tipped stylus which will work on capacitive touchscreens. As the HD2 is built with a 4.3 inch screen I don't think there will be much problems.
I can use my X1 without a stylus just fine.
Is it totally impossible to manage tiny acreen elements?
Is a conductive (metal) "stylus" possible?
Thanks
zolom said:
Is it totally impossible to manage tiny acreen elements?
Is a conductive (metal) "stylus" possible?
Thanks
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A conductive stylus should be possible. Apparently, you get conductive plastics, which are used to package up ICs (integrated circuits), something like could work. But would would need to find a way to make it into a rod somehow. Would be expensive I imagine.
The are capacitive styluses on eBay. They are also quite cheap. However, their tips are quite large compared to a resistive stylus.
I'm going to experiment a little bit when I get my HD2 (hopefully on Friday).
But to be honest, I can use my finger for almost everything on my X1. And that was a tiny screen compared to the HD2. So I don't see the problem. Seems like a lot of people are making a fuss over nothing.
I tried to use morph gear on mine and NONE of the buttons work at all.
I guess the use of capacitive screen is only advantageous if and only if the OS and applications are designed for it. Window mobile would not be able to enjoy this benefit now. I hope WM7 would change that.
madindehead said:
A conductive stylus should be possible. Apparently, you get conductive plastics, which are used to package up ICs (integrated circuits), something like could work. But would would need to find a way to make it into a rod somehow. Would be expensive I imagine.
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HTC have licenced one already...
DinoZ1 said:
HTC have licenced one already...
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They have filed a patent yes. They haven't made it yet tho. Certainly not to the general consumer.
That's B.S
If you use softwares from 1996 then sure, it won't be finger friendly.
Almost all software from recent year are finger compatible.
I just went through all the software installed on my touch HD, from about 30 software installed zero are not finger friendly. The only thing I have non finger friendly is some of the WM6.1 screens.
madindehead said:
A conductive stylus should be possible. Apparently, you get conductive plastics, which are used to package up ICs (integrated circuits), something like could work. But would would need to find a way to make it into a rod somehow. Would be expensive I imagine.
The are capacitive styluses on eBay. They are also quite cheap. However, their tips are quite large compared to a resistive stylus.
I'm going to experiment a little bit when I get my HD2 (hopefully on Friday).
But to be honest, I can use my finger for almost everything on my X1. And that was a tiny screen compared to the HD2. So I don't see the problem. Seems like a lot of people are making a fuss over nothing.
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No, no one is making a fuss. I hate the stupid posts of "visible dot matrix in the screen, HD2 is slower than other phones, HD2 has no video out and so on". But I quite get the feel of problems the poster is trying to address. You didn't get the point here, X1 is with the typical resistive screen, it is entirely different when you operate on a capacitive screen, and it is not about the size of the screen. I now start to worry about the 3rd party apps as I've been relying on many apps with my Touch HD. I really hope somehow the software developers will come out with apps exclusively support HD2 capacitive screen!
I don't understand .. sure, it's harder to press small elements. But even now a lot of software is finger friendly, and the trend will only get stronger. Actually I use only fingers with my current X1, I use stylus like once per week, since some parts of WM 6,1 can't be used well with fingers.
Is there some other problem ? What do you mean by exclusive HD2 support ?
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I guess the use of capacitive screen is only advantageous if and only if the OS and applications are designed for it.
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For me personally, and, I believe, for many others, the major advantage of a capacitive screen is the glass screen surface and no need to use those stupid screen protectors anymore. I don't use outdated apps with tiny elements though, so it's not a big deal for me. If you are tied to them for some reason then it's a different story I guess...
well it doesnt need to be exclusiveto the hd2... just finger friendly would do the trick... I use my stylus only on some drop-down menus...
Exemple of applications which are NOT working??
I got mine few minutes ago, I am using it, and I dont have ANY problem with tiny elements, maybe sometimes you need to click 2 times but nothing. 0 problems for me.
This device is fracking awesome.
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No, no one is making a fuss. I hate the stupid posts of "visible dot matrix in the screen, HD2 is slower than other phones, HD2 has no video out and so on". But I quite get the feel of problems the poster is trying to address. You didn't get the point here, X1 is with the typical resistive screen, it is entirely different when you operate on a capacitive screen, and it is not about the size of the screen. I now start to worry about the 3rd party apps as I've been relying on many apps with my Touch HD. I really hope somehow the software developers will come out with apps exclusively support HD2 capacitive screen!
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I did get the point. He said small menus are hard to press without a stylus.
I am asking why he finds this, as with a bigger screen (same resolution) the menus are now bigger. If I can use a small menu with my finger on the X1, the SIZE of the icon will be bigger on the HD2 (given the increase in screen size).
I wasn't saying that capacitive and resistive react the same way to a finger press. All the apps need, is to become finger friendly.
They won't react any differently on the HD2. Unless you have a drawing application you use, in which case that will be different.
But my original point still stands. The icons shouldn't be any harder to press on the HD2 as they will be bigger than on an X1 (I have smallish hands, but quite chunky fingers. I have press icons on the X1 fine, so I'm not worried about them on the HD2).
Even with big fingers, it's just a matter of skill. The phone detects center of pressed area and it always sends single point to the application. It does not mean that you can't press very small element with big finger, it just may be harder to hit.
I recommend simply trusting the device, not trying to do anything special ..
let me clarify what I said: let me make some more examples to make you understand what huge discomfort this "otherwise awesome screen" is giving to me:
try for example, (on any HD2) to do the following:
settings > input > options > try to change default zoom level from 200% to 100% (you need to access zoom scroll down menu)...I have tried for 20 times and I failed...sometimes I get 300% sometimes I get 75%...no way you can select the right level.
No way you can use your nails (since the settings are in a small area)
any other settings in which you need to select a choice from a scroll down menu results in a pain and several attempts...
In this condition even the internal settings on wm 6.5 are hard to accomplish...better to shift back to HD1 or to iphone, whose software is simplified enough to make the use of thumbs finger possible
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let me clarify what I said: let me make some more examples to make you understand what huge discomfort this "otherwise awesome screen" is giving to me:
try for example, (on any HD2) to do the following:
settings > input > options > try to change default zoom level from 200% to 100% (you need to access zoom scroll down menu)...I have tried for 20 times and I failed...sometimes I get 300% sometimes I get 75%...no way you can select the right level.
No way you can use your nails (since the settings are in a small area)
any other settings in which you need to select a choice from a scroll down menu results in a pain and several attempts...
In this condition even the internal settings on wm 6.5 are hard to accomplish...better to shift back to HD1 or to iphone, whose software is simplified enough to make the use of thumbs finger possible
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Just carry a laptop round with you that has MyPhone installed on it and use that. Simple!
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i have been searching for the iphone touch scroll and media player for the hermes 8525 phone. is there anyone working on this? also is there anyway to make the touch screen to a multi tocuh screen like the iphone.
The multi touch screen is totally different hardware, although it would be cool if there was a way...
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The multi touch screen is totally different hardware, although it would be cool if there was a way...
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i thought so but i would think if you hack the dll file maybe there is a way to make it read multi times i dont know i am not an expert on hardware or software hacking.
I thought I heard somewhere that there might be someone working on doing something like that. given hardware constraints, it wouldn't be perfect. It would detect the space between the fingers as being pressed as well (I'm assuming), e.g. if you have fingers on the screen like this:
__........__
|__|.....|__|
it would see this:
_________
|_________|
So it would have to figure out by the shape of it where your fingers really are.
Still, I hope someone does. Multitouch would be very nice...
EDIT: due to the restrictiveness of this forum, just imagine that the periods in my ASCII art above dont exist.
That would be amazing, and something i would definately pay for. Looks like it would be like the drag box on a PC desktop. If you put two fingers on then it could drag things or select the space within.
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I thought I heard somewhere that there might be someone working on doing something like that. given hardware constraints, it wouldn't be perfect. It would detect the space between the fingers as being pressed as well (I'm assuming), e.g. if you have fingers on the screen like this:
__........__
|__|.....|__|
it would see this:
_________
|_________|
So it would have to figure out by the shape of it where your fingers really are.
Still, I hope someone does. Multitouch would be very nice...
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Detecting the space between fingers would only be possible with double touch screens one on top of the other. To simulate it on the present hardware would require low-level programming to continuously scan the screen within milliseconds so that it could detect minute differences of whichever finger came in contact first. It will not detect it if both fingers pressed on the screen at exactly the same time. Theoretically it should be possible to do but that would really slow down the system just to do it that way.
for multi touch, i'm not sure how it would be useful but i was thinking, maybe it somehow "remembers" a first click, then that second click is processed. for example, the iphone zooming feature. a single click, then a second, separate clickanddrag to zoom in and out
Well, many of the features can actually be done without requiring multi touch. For example, as the screen of the phone small enough, you can actually assigning area in the viewing screen to be doing something specific. For example, on my notebook touch pad, I can assign part of the right portion to do a scroll function. Hence, it is possible to implement the dynamic zoom function on a WM (non-multi touch device) by assigning (say) right hand area to do a zooming. It wont be as cool though.
would it still be cooler than a generic scroll bar? i like to think so.
Hello everyone,
I'd like to buy a X1 but i'm hesitating with the future TOUCH HD ...
My question is : "Could you give me some arguments to prefer a hardware keyboard, instead of a fullscreen soft keyboard such as the SPB full screen Keyboard"
I'm a SonyErricson Fan, but the fact is i have not so many arguments to prefer hardware keyboard instead of a soft one on a huge screen like the one of the the HTC TOUCH HD (3,8 Inches)...
Maybe you'll have some very good arguments...
Thanks very much.
zoltan_cs said:
Hello everyone,
I'd like to buy a X1 but i'm hesitating with the future TOUCH HD ...
My question is : "Could you give me some arguments to prefer a hardware keyboard, instead of a fullscreen soft keyboard such as the SPB full screen Keyboard"
I'm a SonyErricson Fan, but the fact is i have not so many arguments to prefer hardware keyboard instead of a soft one on a huge screen like the one of the the HTC TOUCH HD (3,8 Inches)...
Maybe you'll have some very good arguments...
Thanks very much.
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1. god forbid that you get into an accident and cant see, you are in a better position with a tactile keyboard where you can feel what keys you are pressing.
2. Another point is that in my opinion with the tactile keyboard they typing is much much more accurate and faster than on screen.
3. Another with 700 and 1000 dollar phones I try to minimize my screen contact as much as possible just out of personal preference.
4. Just having the option to use the tactile keyboard is a plus ... i sorta dont like having one option.
One advantage of a hardware keyboard is that you have more screen real estate to use when entering text, plus typing on a windows mobile touchscreen keyboard without a stylus is asking for trouble.
The X1's keyboard is very good.
hutchy69 said:
One advantage of a hardware keyboard is that you have more screen real estate to use when entering text, plus typing on a windows mobile touchscreen keyboard without a stylus is asking for trouble.
The X1's keyboard is very good.
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But the Touch Pro´s is even better
Mr.Sir said:
But the Touch Pro´s is even better
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But screen resultion is lower, X1 has more hardware buttons (I am using App Button Plus to have single and double click) and last but not least the battery on X1 is much better according to the information on this forum.
Downside:
X1 has a "frame screen", Touch Pro is "frameless"
Because of the hardware buttons and the battery I am in favour of the X1
The hardware keyboard is for me not the key decicion maker
Claus
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Downside:
X1 has a "frame screen", Touch Pro is "frameless"
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He means that the X1 has a recessed screen (makes the edges difficult to touch with your fingers/can be a dust trap/protects the screen) whilst the Touch Pro's screen is flush with the case (making edges easy to touch and alleviating the dust problem but leaving the screen Vulnerable to scratches).
ah ok, he means "recessed" thank you for clarification
BuddyLee said:
1. god forbid that you get into an accident and cant see, you are in a better position with a tactile keyboard where you can feel what keys you are pressing.
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LOL. BuddyLee: this is so funny.
BuddyLee said:
2. Another point is that in my opinion with the tactile keyboard they typing is much much more accurate and faster than on screen.
4. Just having the option to use the tactile keyboard is a plus ... i sorta dont like having one option.
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Thanks for the answer.
Could someone else give me his/her opinion on theses points... i ask because i really have no idea if it's really much faster to have a hardware keyboard.
Thanks a lot for your responses.
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LOL. BuddyLee: this is so funny.
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But so true my friend, so true
dingolino said:
Downside:
X1 has a "frame screen", Touch Pro is "frameless"
Claus
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Isn't that a good thing? Not that easy to get unesesary scratches?
zoltan_cs said:
Hello everyone,
I'd like to buy a X1 but i'm hesitating with the future TOUCH HD ...
My question is : "Could you give me some arguments to prefer a hardware keyboard, instead of a fullscreen soft keyboard such as the SPB full screen Keyboard"
I'm a SonyErricson Fan, but the fact is i have not so many arguments to prefer hardware keyboard instead of a soft one on a huge screen like the one of the the HTC TOUCH HD (3,8 Inches)...
Maybe you'll have some very good arguments...
Thanks very much.
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Hi Zoltan_cs,
back to a year ago or so it didn't matter most people used the phones
just for that: To call. Not any more. Phones are closing the gap with
the laptop. And the Xperia is one the leaders of the pack.
Soon you will be involved with a lot of practical applications that
need heavy data entry and the keyboard gives you 40 to 60 keys
to do it with efficiency.
As for a touch keyboard to be REALLY efficent the screen needs to be
larger and that point it will be too bulky to carry, and even then you
lose a lot of screen for your documents.
So by now you can guess that I want a laptop on my shirt pocket
but with hardware keyboard.
As for the xperia Keyboard, in a small space it has the biggers keys
and the more space between the keys than any othe comparable
phone. Besides the layout of the keys is like in a real keyboard.
The PRO for example has an square checkerborad layout with small
keys very close together and with 5 rows i get lost finding a key.
Some say the keys of the PRO have a better click than the Xperia.
Personally, the pros of the Xperia weight for me more than the cons.
NOTE: If you only make call, text msg and listen to music.
You don't n eed a hardware keyboard.
I'm just curious of one thing ...
How fast is it to type a full A4 page on the X1 (or phones with hardware keyboard) instead of a laptop or a Desktop PC ?
Pinguino1 said:
Hi Zoltan_cs,
back to a year ago or so it didn't matter most people used the phones
just for that: To call. Not any more. Phones are closing the gap with
the laptop. And the Xperia is one the leaders of the pack.
Soon you will be involved with a lot of practical applications that
need heavy data entry and the keyboard gives you 40 to 60 keys
to do it with efficiency.
As for a touch keyboard to be REALLY efficent the screen needs to be
larger and that point it will be too bulky to carry, and even then you
lose a lot of screen for your documents.
So by now you can guess that I want a laptop on my shirt pocket
but with hardware keyboard.
As for the xperia Keyboard, in a small space it has the biggers keys
and the more space between the keys than any othe comparable
phone. Besides the layout of the keys is like in a real keyboard.
The PRO for example has an square checkerborad layout with small
keys very close together and with 5 rows i get lost finding a key.
Some say the keys of the PRO have a better click than the Xperia.
Personally, the pros of the Xperia weight for me more than the cons.
NOTE: If you only make call, text msg and listen to music.
You don't n eed a hardware keyboard.
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i'd rather have the larger screen and use a BT keyboard when i need to enter lots of data with my phone...
Zoltan_cs
Dude, I am exactly in the same situation as you are Waiting for the 3rd of november to actually GO TO THE STORES AND TRY BOTH OF THEM!
A friend of mine has an X1 and as I can mention, the screen is very scratch-sensitive, at least more than one of Diamond or T-Pro. The plastic coating on the screen is not that "bulletproof" and a first feeling I get is being-afraid-to-scratch-it-with-my-nails. Xperia-users, what do you say?
I am a guy and I have my thumb and little finger a little long and I'd be damned if I were to use my xperia without any screen protection. Worse yet if you are asked by someone to show them the phone and they rough up the xperia. Someone would have to die
Which is why ill use the keyboard if I have to and the screen when it is necessary.
My reasons:
I prefer my phone to be a bit fatter but smaller in the other dimensions.
Soft keyboard uses screen space.
Tactile feedback. I find it easier to find the right letter n the first try. I am having less typing errors now that I'm using a hardware keyboard. I admit I never tried an iPhone but from seeing people using it I wouldn't like to. I would like to try a BlackBerry Storm though.
Playing action games (console emulators) is a lot easier.
And of course you can still choose to use the soft keyboard in those cases where you prefer to.
Hello El filou
I see that you are from belgium ... in fact i'm french but i work and live in Belgium...
Thank you for your post these arguments seem to be very clear.
A question : For emulation game ? do you think it will be easy with the Xperia hardware keyboard to play these games without directional keys ?
thanks
A few emulators allow to map keys to console buttons. You can map letters on the hardware keyboard, which has the advantage of better mimicking a console pad layout more than using the dpad on the right.
Console emulators migt be considered warez by the board admins so I won't discuss this much further.
And if it doesn't work, I hope some nice developer will make an emulator panel.
It´s been a month since I "upgraded" from Diamond to the X1
Overall I am very pleased with the X1, BUT:
1.- I miss the smooth (flat) screen edges!! Corners are difficult to reach with my thumbs in the X1 because the screen is depressed from the chassis. The diamond's screen was flat with the chassis, thus making it very easy to press/touch icons in the corners
2.- The VOLUME keys should be located at the left, not the right (IMHO)
3.- I miss the circular touch control from the diamond: it let me zoom/pan very fast in excel and opera (circular finger movement around the central button). At least a "jog dial (p800-esque?) would have been nice...
4.- It's easy to press the "panel" button (wrongly) to answer a phone call !!
5.- Having a hardware "back" button was a plus in the diamond
6.- The "power" button is too hidden.
7.- The mini-USB connector is located at the natural left finger position. It should be ergonomically positioned down the phone ??
8.- Regarding the HW keyboard, I miss a couple of extra keys from the TyTN (dedicated CTRL key, windows context menu key, those two "softkeys" up there... etc) and I find the first row of keys too close to the phone body, making it difficult to type in the upper row
9.- Sony's standard panel is cool but dull, TouchFlo 3D was VERY USEFUL and practical... I got so used to doing everything with my THUMBS instead of the stylus...
Anybody else has noticed/missed these hardware/design issues ??
I know this is Sony's FIRST WM PDA phone
Hope any Sony engineer is reading this post
ad 1. We discussed this topic before. A few users are with you opinion and a few users (including me) like the recessed screen because it protects the screen from scratches and I haven't got any problems with pressing anything until now.
ad 2. I never had a phone with the volume keys on the left. I think they are okay where they are. Good to reach, either you hold the phone in the left or the right hand.
ad 3. I don't know the circular touch, but it sounds interesting.
ad 4. What thumbs do you have?
ad 5. The touch button is okay for me. If not, you have the two buttons below the screens to configurate.
ad 6. The power button is perfect, because it wakes up the phone and therefore it has to be hidden. It shall not be pressed unintentional while the phone is in my pocket.
ad 7. Then the phone could not be charged while it is in a carholder. Most carholders are closed on the bottom so I'm very happy with the layout while navigating with the X1.
ad 8. A bigger keyboard would make the writing easier but the phone bigger. It's a good compromise in my opinion. I got used to the keyboard and now writing's very fast.
ad 9. That's a matter of taste, really! Let me quote myself:
The panels are great. With the SE-Panel you have everything you need in one panel -calender, messaging, weather, shortcuts aso...
You don't need to change pages like with the touchflothing. TouchFlo is one of the reasons for me not to buy a HTC phone.
I now have the SE Desktop Panel with everything I need, additionally a fullscreen weather panel if I want to know more about forecast, windspeeds and whatelse, one panel for everything that's multimedia and one panel is for the navigation software TomTom which works great with with the internal GPS
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Anybody else has noticed/missed these hardware/design issues ??
I know this is Sony's FIRST WM PDA phone
Hope any Sony engineer is reading this post
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Sorry to say that, but I like these "issues" and, as you can see, I have my reasons. But each user has its own pros and cons so the "perfect" phone is not going to happen
I too moved from a diamond to an x1 nearly a month ago, overall I think i prefer the X1.
my previous windows mobiles all had some kind of hardware keyboard, be that a full qwerty or dialpad,
(SPV c500, C550, C600, HTC wizard, HTC TYTN)
I really struggled at first without the keyboard,
I then got really annoyed with how dirty the diamond touch screen got from typing,
it also got VERY scratched because of the flat touchscreen, which i never experienced with previous phones,
yes the X1 has its little quirks, but I got to say its either equal to or better than any HTC device i know of, even htc never get it 100% right...
cheers
Steve
gtrab said:
1.- I miss the smooth (flat) screen edges!! Corners are difficult to reach with my thumbs in the X1 because the screen is depressed from the chassis. The diamond's screen was flat with the chassis, thus making it very easy to press/touch icons in the corners
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I've also got no problems with the recesed screen, actually I prefer it like that, gives a "little" more protection.
gtrab said:
2.- The VOLUME keys should be located at the left, not the right (IMHO)
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That's a matter of taste, anyways, they must be where the camera is, as they allo to zoom (on lower mpix. resolutions)
gtrab said:
3.- I miss the circular touch control from the diamond: it let me zoom/pan very fast in excel and opera (circular finger movement around the central button). At least a "jog dial (p800-esque?) would have been nice...
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Actually I don't like those "touch" controls that the newer htc's got...
gtrab said:
4.- It's easy to press the "panel" button (wrongly) to answer a phone call !!
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I've never pressed the panel button when answering...
gtrab said:
5.- Having a hardware "back" button was a plus in the diamond
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useless...
gtrab said:
6.- The "power" button is too hidden.
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better... sucks turning on accidentally your phone...
gtrab said:
7.- The mini-USB connector is located at the natural left finger position. It should be ergonomically positioned down the phone ??
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that's actually better for me...
gtrab said:
8.- Regarding the HW keyboard, I miss a couple of extra keys from the TyTN (dedicated CTRL key, windows context menu key, those two "softkeys" up there... etc) and I find the first row of keys too close to the phone body, making it difficult to type in the upper row
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yup, ctrl key would be great, but the other ones I don't need them, actually the upper part is in a nice position so is easy to combine keyb+screen
gtrab said:
9.- Sony's standard panel is cool but dull, TouchFlo 3D was VERY USEFUL and practical... I got so used to doing everything with my THUMBS instead of the stylus...
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Panels sux (actually) just like touchflo.
I've used touchflo in other devices and always end disabling it.
anyways, at least with panels we have a nice facebook one... let's hope more come soon.
10: I always cover the loudspeaker with my fingers while holding the X1. Would have been better position on the back- or downside of the device. But maybe i could just drill a hole....
Ah and
11: First touch resonse works on the Diamond, the X1 just brigthens the screenlight and you have to click again.
1. The screen design on the X1 is better, its too exposed on the Diamond.
2. Not true.
3. I like the joystic on the X1 better than the "wheel"
4. I have mapped my program launcher to the panel button + I dont have fat fingers
5. Not in my opinion, I found it rather useless. HW softkeys are much more usefull
6. No way, its better than in Diamond
7. USB connector is located in little bit weird place, but use your phone on landscape while connected, how does it sit now?
8. What you mean TyTN had CTRL, you mean you had Touch Pro not Diamond or TyTN? CTRL missing from the keyboard is disadvantage. Coming from TP I found the upper row to be close to screen at first, but now I do not experience this problem anymore, probably got used to it
9. I dont even have panels installed, or even TF3D
As you see most of these are just opinions...
One thing you did not mention is the magnetic stylus holder in the Diamond and Touch Pro... But you also did not write any of the pro's that X1 has over those devices...
I had Diamond and Touch Pro and I do prefer X1 over them... Only big thing we are missing is a stable and tweaked rom... Dutty's comingggggggggggggggggggg.....
What people seem to be forgetting is that you couldn't make a phone with a flush screen and a metal housing.
The Diamond / TP does a little vibrate when someone picks up your call, am i right? (I'm not a Diamond user)
That is a VERY handy feature in my opinion. Would've been great if that would be possible on the X1.
I have a Polaris/Touch Cruise/Orbit 02, and also got an X1 a couple of weeks ago. I really miss the scroll wheel from the Polaris as well as the Cube/touchflo. Navigation for me was much simpler. Maybe it's just the usual case of configuring Window Mobile to personal preferences. I've installed HTC Home flike I had on the Polaris and this has made things easier.
I Also find the non-flush keyboard a problem, especially when typing on the screen keyboard. On full qwerty keyboard I find it difficult hitting the keys on the left or right edge of the screen.
I remember when I got the Polaris (after having a Hermes) I had to change settings/software until I was happy with it's operation/navigation. Hopefully, it'll be the same with the X1.
SomeoneSimple said:
The Diamond / TP does a little vibrate when someone picks up your call, am i right? (I'm not a Diamond user)
That is a VERY handy feature in my opinion. Would've been great if that would be possible on the X1.
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This is a software feature that I would imagine wouldnt be that hard to transfer to X1...
Yes, its a software feature with the Phone application. Should work on any custom ROM with the Blackstonephone - like on mine ...
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10: I always cover the loudspeaker with my fingers while holding the X1. Would have been better position on the back- or downside of the device. But maybe i could just drill a hole....
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UPS I forgot that one !!
That's so true: hold the phone with your left hand and sound mutes (because the speaker hole gets covered)
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...ad 9. That's a matter of taste, really! Let me quote myself: "additionally a fullscreen weather panel"...
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A dedicated weather panel ?? Sounds great. I'm searching for it right now
And yes you're right: matter of taste (and use).
Don't get me wrong: I am writing my oppinions to make this phone EVEN better. As I stated before: I am overall please with the phone, I've have them all ("near" all ) and the Xperia is my best phone ever.
Matter of choices and tastes of course, but I wanted to know if somebody shared my thoughts about that minor "issues".
Regarding panels, I think it is a fresh new idea with great potential.
1.- A "camera" panel would be OK (how about a panel that turns your phone into a full Sony Cybershot digicam?? )
2.- A GPS panel would be OK too
3.- More customization options for the strandard Sony panels would be even better !!
I would have preferred the screen flat too, it doesn't need more protection as I keep it in a soft pouch. Besides I find overall its LESS protected as the dirt that gets stuck in the recessed screen is more likely to get wiped across the surface repeatedly before you actually get it removed. It also makes the grease buildup extremely hard to clean off.
My other gripe is the keyboard. I had wished the whole phone had been a little bit wider so that they keyboard was more like my Wizard. Sure you get used to the screen being so close to the top row but it does slow you down. When I go back to my Wizard I can ALWAYS type easier and quicker because the keyboard is more spaced out.
The rest listed are none issues for me. I may even like the panels in the end as I am going to play with the SDK.
haha the funny thing is that the x1 is made by HTC
What's so funny about that?
There has always been a difference between one HTC device and another. In all other respects the Wizard was rather underpowered compared to other HTC devices at the time and it was/is rather chunky. Also technically I own a T-Mobile MDA Vario, its just from visiting these forums I learnt about updating the ROM to WM6 and that its a HTC Wizard (WIZA200 actually) in a T-Mobile branded shell.
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haha the funny thing is that the x1 is made by HTC
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The X1 has been designed by sony ericsson, build in cooperation with htc and produce by htc.
so it's not a made by htc . Sony got an idea and ask one of the most experienced winmo company to make it. And they are not so pleased with htc they have stopped their partnership with them. Seems they reproach htc to have underpowered x1 software and got a lot of production problem with them.
Just want to know:
can anyone of u use his elf just with the finger? like the iphone?
i always have to do everything with my fingernail.
Yeah, paying attention to how I use it, you're right I always use my nail to get to the smaller objects, even the Start Menu, and keyboard. The only place I use my whole thumb is when scrolling the TF2D menu.
mhh yeah. but i mean if you are able to use your finger :> because it seems like the touch has some kind of problem with the complete finger. i have to push the screen very hard until it recognizes that im touching
@freaksey ... have a look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=360564&highlight=touch+pressure+threshold
for info on changing what pressure you need to register a touch. i found that helped.
re tiny buttons ... the two main things i did to make mine more finger friendly (i hate having to use stylus on something called Touch) are
- install RandomAccess.exe ... the Contacts app from Touch Dual ... much better than the (awful) one that came on early Elfs (if yours is recent, it may have this anyway)
- install better keyboards. there's lots about, user preference dictates which is best. i've currently got Gullum's Diamond keyboard which is nice.
yeah yeah i know :> i have this already on 80866... i just want to know if this problem with "whole thumb pressing" exsits only for me. the sensebility is already awesome, the only prob is that everything just works when i touch the screen with my nail and not when i do this with my thumb.
That would probably because your nail is recognized by the screen at the distinct location it is hitting it and the phone knows what you want to click on, but your fat fingers may hit a few different 'touch' areas and the phone is unsure which of those was to be accessed so it ignores the entry.... my only presumption.
You guys are right. I never noticed before that using the pad of my thumb or even finger does not work very well. I also out of habbit use my finger nail. I implemented the sensitivity tweaks about 6 months ago and noticed a dramatic improvement with the amount of pressure I had to implement to use my device but it still works best using finger nail rather than the pads of your fingers or thumbs. I have to make several attempts using much more pressure to use the pads of my fingers or thumbs. It's too bad really but not that big of a hassle now since I am use to using my finger and thumb nails and with the sensitivity tweaks it works really well.
I've got the onxy rom at the moment but before i just downloaded a different keyboard and can use it fine with my fingers.
Im using the Touch Of HD Rom and I have no problem getting around my device every day without getting the stylus!
Somtimes i forget the stylus is even there
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Hi Guys,
Just got my HTC HD2 last night on O2 Ireland (Silent release yesterday),
Love the phone but one thing that is really annoying me is the onscreen keyboard, the qwerty and compact qwerty are useless to me, even in landscape mode, but I can use the numeric keypad one although I often have the odd mistake here unless I type really slow and think about it.
Basically what normally happens is as I have quite big fingers, sometimes I tough most of the key I want and a small amount of the key underneath, which is really irritating me as it's taking me 10x longer to send a message than it does on my N95 8GB.
I love the phone but the slow text entry really is making me stick with the N95 8GB right now. I was wondering if anyone had any advice? I wish I could have some nice bigger keypad like when you put the pin in when you turn the phone on and that would be much easier for me!
Is there any way I can use or install any other text input options, or what about bluetooth keypads (Keyboards not really acceptable as they're too big but a keypad could work)
Cheers for any advice
Dear JustinJJ,
I had the same problem, until I relaised I had a hardware screen problem. There are a number of tests you can do to find out if you have a hardware problem.
Just have a look on the forum.
Regards and best wishes with your typing.
Oh, just to let you know, I am on my third HD2 in less than a month, and this is the first time I can type the A-Z without making a mistake. So it was hardware not my fingers.
ADC (Yateley, UK)
Try another keyboard, like Swype?
It needs lots of practice, especially when you were using phone with keypad in the past.
I was going to try Swype over the weekend and see how that goes, it looks quite good but I have doubts because of the much smaller key size which makes me worry a little bit.
I've already tried to recalibrate the screen which helped a little bit, but it's still nowhere near as nice as typing with an actual phone keypad.
It really annoys me as I love the phone so much for everything else apart from text entry!
Practice makes perfect seriously though, it just takes a bit of time to get used to it. Back in December someone made a handy little programme - I think it's called touch mark - which plots where you touch the screen and compares it to where you should be touching the screen, quite handy to "retrain" your finger/eye coordination... will go see if I can find the link to it.
Edit: found it http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=594158&highlight=touchmark
going from resistive to capacitive screen is a big jump; you WILL make a lot of mistakes on the "fat finger" phenomenon, but eventually you will get better (right now i can type faster and with better accuracy on the iphone screen than my X1a keyboard )
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Practice makes perfect seriously though, it just takes a bit of time to get used to it. Back in December someone made a handy little programme - I think it's called touch mark - which plots where you touch the screen and compares it to where you should be touching the screen, quite handy to "retrain" your finger/eye coordination... will go see if I can find the link to it.
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Touch mark can be quite helpfull to retrain your touching skills
Grtz,
Degake
I use swype and it's mostly great (using it now, in fact) quite surprising how inaccurate you can be with it and it still gets it right.
regarding the capacitive screen in general, the angle of your finger can make all the difference, the pad being recognized much more accurately than the tip/edge, and even the temperature.... cold dry skin = jumpy detection.
I also found that no matter how much I align the screen, for best results my aim must always be slightly up and left if where I'm aiming....not much, just a bit.
I used Cootek touchpal on my HTC HD. I use the predicitive text feature with the 3 letters in each box. It does a hell of a job predicting my words. I find that it types faster than when I was on my blackberry. As in all things new you have to train yourself on it and eventually it becomes natural.
The only typing I never wanted to master was the number pad t9 crap. I got so fed up with it I didn't use it went to blackberry...
I went from a SE W910i with a physical numpad to the HD2 and the first week typing on the HD2 was torture, I dreaded typing a simple "On my way" SMS and kept everything as short as possible. After a week or two I started understanding how it works and started retraining myself in regards to hitting the right key. A few things I noticed are that you don't press the key like you would on a physical keyboard so you need a much "lighter" touch and try to just tap the screen with the tip of your finger. Patience is one of your biggest friends when learning to type and I've sat down with my HD2 for dedicated sessions on typing and have learnt a lot. I also avoid using my thumbs as they are too wide and flat and tend to not hit the keys I want, I usually hold the phone in one hand and "type" with the index finger of the other hand. Now I can type as fast as I would on a normal numpad keyboard but not as fast as I could with my G1.
I've owned a N95 and found the keys were too small and I usually hit more than one at a time which was most annoying. So I don't think your fingers are too big.
I've never tried any other keyboard program but Swype looks like it could be loads of fun as well as more accurate. So give it a week or two to get used to typing and if you still have problems then you may have a faulty screen.
i also use touchpal as it has a great auto correction. first i used the three letters in one box, but now i'm learning full qwertz to be more flexible.
never tried swype but this and touchpal seems to be the most famous osk's around.
a good way for me to reduce the sensitivity and also reduce errors is to apply a screen protector. i got one from - i think e-cell, which was recommended by a lot of users here at devs.
Tried swype, that was awful, partly because my fingers were too big and partly because I had to think about the letters and stop when moving my finger which messed the word generation up.
Tried Touchpal and found that a little better than the built in keyboard in keypad mode but the fact they moved the space to the right of the 9 key really messed it up for me, if they had it underneath it would be perfect but it really messes me up right now and the key after hitting it I always end up hitting wrong.
Then I tried Cliquick! I was in love straight away with it's huge keys this is the only editor I can type accurately with, and not make any mistakes by accidentally pressing the wrong keys. The only problem was this has no predictive text or no standard hardware style keypad mode so it is a little slow having to use multi-tap and an unfamiliar layout, but least it's accurate and less frustrating even if it is slow.
Does anyone know if they plan to release a predictive text add in or perhaps a standard keypad layour, or is there any plug-ins I can use to achieve the same effect.
So it isn't just ME...
samsamuel said:
...I also found that no matter how much I align the screen, for best results my aim must always be slightly up and left if where I'm aiming....not much, just a bit.
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That's funny. I thought it was just ME. I realigned the screen and picked spots slightly BELOW the X.
Works great now when I actually click ON the icons...