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Touch Diamond2 to get WM6.5 and updated Manilla!

"HTC has confirmed an update to Windows Mobile 6.5 for the HTC Touch Diamond 2, Touch Pro 2 and HTC Snap. The update will also bring updated versions of TouchFlo3D, bringing it closer to the HTC Sense user interface, said Lars Christian Weisswange, Regional Director of HTC for Germany, Austria and Switzerland (DACH), in an interview with AreaMobile. de.
The update will be provided as a free download from HTC’s website. Whether the software update will be released on October 6th or later is not known yet however, but should not be long after."
Via: wmpoweruser.com
This makes me happy!

Not long now

good news~~~~ cant wait for it... wondering how Garmin can be transfer or not..

That's really good news!!!
I have liked WM 6.5 and Manila 2.5 / 2.6 since i have found it here, but i only flash original ROM's.
The waiting payed off.

Cool.. Thanks for the news... Hope this will resolve issues like battery drain .

Can someone advise? I have never flashed a ROM and have kept my phone standard.
Will it wipe all data and will a hard SPL be needed when upgrading?

ijob said:
Can someone advise? I have never flashed a ROM and have kept my phone standard.
Will it wipe all data and will a hard SPL be needed when upgrading?
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HardSPL is only for cooked ROM's and stuff, not for branded ROM's.

ijob said:
Can someone advise? I have never flashed a ROM and have kept my phone standard.
Will it wipe all data and will a hard SPL be needed when upgrading?
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Yes, installing a new rom will wipe all data. However you can backup contacts, calendar, notes and tasks with ActiveSync and you can backup everything with PIMbackup.

Windows Mobile 6.5 to (finally) arrive October 6th
Microsoft have announced that they will be launching the first 6.5-powered phones on October 6th. Some handsets, such as the Diamond2, will be getting updates while new handsets will be appearing with..
"New customer experiences through an improved, easy-to-use user interface, better browsing capabilities and access to valuable services, including Windows Marketplace for Mobile and Microsoft My Phone."
More info: http://www.coolsmartphone.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=29764
and: http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2009/sep09/09-01WindowsPhoneAvailablePR.mspx
and: http://www.gsmarena.com/windows_mobile_65_hitting_markets_worldwide_on_6_october-news-1096.php

HTC told us this before the phone was even released!

will this have the twitter integration?

ijob said:
will this have the twitter integration?
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No twitter integration on manila 2.1

The question I've been asking myself is, will D2 really handle WM6.2+Manila 2.5 without lag issues? I mean, Manila 2.5 was ment for Leo with a 1ghz processor, not a weak ****ing 528mhz..

you're quite right to be conerned.. but actually a std 2.5 Manila was fine on mine (As shipped with Duttys latest ROM)
Just don't put all the fancy animated backgrounds & pretty clocks that you can get on this site or you're bolloxed. The thing ran like it was like walking through treacle. Once I'd reflashed back to a std black & background it was fine..

Skymarket/ WMMarketplace for WM6.0/6.1

Here is a cab for 6.0/6.1 users for WM Marketplace or WM6.5 if its not installed in rom. I made it from 23053 skymarket oem pkg. Its for WWE only and only for devices that have a bootlauncher (IE no apache.) Let me know if it doesn't work on stock roms as its not signed as I'm not sure if signature is required but it will run on cooked roms with full kernel trust enabled.
Edit from reports it seems to run on stock roms too
Some reports that it errors if IE isn't default browser also.

Have they taken the site down? I keep getting a "Marketplace could not connect because the server is unavailable" message.

shanksv said:
Have they taken the site down? I keep getting a "Marketplace could not connect because the server is unavailable" message.
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I also have that error.

Probably a trail run for the big launch tomorrow

Marketplace has been closed today from 3 PM. I think they will open it with many apps included!

I just tried it using the app in my ROM.. It downloaded a new version, and connected to the Marketplace, but there's only about a dozen apps online atm, and almost no free ones...

Hey, thanks! Works perfectly for me in the UK with my cooked 6.5 ROM!
I can admire my app online now!
Btw, it has a serious flaw. It doesnt require a PIN when purchasing something, thus anybody that may get his hands on your phone may start charging you as he likes.

Thanks a lot for this app, I don't have it on my 6.1 ROM. I'll give it a try tomorrow

Hi I have the ROM "Valkyrie XPERIO" (the latest version).
I have installed the CAB and when I click on it I get the message:
"Windows Marketplace for Mobile cannot connect. There may be a problem with the Marketplace service right now. Check your internet connection and try again later."
I know the internet connection is fine, I didn't have marketplace built into the ROM so just wondered if someone has seen this error message?

Works good on HTC Raphael with official 6.1 ROM, but very poor choice of apps for now.

Works fine on HTC Touch running NFSfan's v14 ROM. Thanks man!

pilgrim011 said:
Works good on HTC Raphael with official 6.1 ROM, but very poor choice of apps for now.
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The same on my treo pro

Problem
Hi,
After download the cab and install it, when I launch the program, 3G is activating, but nothing else on my screen.
I'm on WM 6.1 Rom Mania Adrenaline final FRE.

ok mine ended up working in the end, just took a few attempts to connect the first time. Works a treat now
And yeah I saw the £10 calculator!! WTF?! Just wondering if we'll see anything like BING or Skype on here?

marketplace is opened from now
office mobile price is 29$. i don't know why but i think it free

dape said:
Hi,
After download the cab and install it, when I launch the program, 3G is activating, but nothing else on my screen.
I'm on WM 6.1 Rom Mania Adrenaline final FRE.
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As he said in post #1, you may make IE your default browser and not Opera.

nhatminh87 said:
marketplace is opened from now
office mobile price is 29$. i don't know why but i think it free
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It's been open since at least yesterday.

I have IE default browser, I use a HTC Touch Elfin with a Spanish ROM
I have installed Marketplace in the main memory.
Installed correctly but when i press the shorcut in programs, nothing appears...

nkhangura said:
And yeah I saw the £10 calculator!! WTF?!
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Yeah, I saw that. You have to wonder what the hell the devs of that have been smoking. £10 for a calculator? <bleep> off!
Not impressed with the startup so far though.. Very small selection of titles (I count 39 apps in total. 39!!), and almost NO free stuff, not even trial versions!

Is there a chance to have it working with Opera as browser ? Today all cooked ROM are using Opera instead of IE...

Custom ROM with small RAM-footprint

Hi all!
I really enjoy reading this great forum for quite some time. This time I'll start asking :
Since I like Igo8 a lot (esp. TTS), I was quite disappointed to see TTS not working on my NeoTouch official ROM 3.003EN, no Today-Plugins loaded and soft-reset (it is (was) working fine on my X900 and Ipaq214) though. AFAIK, it can be boiled down to insufficient fee RAM on WM6.5 devices. Indeed, I can pick a TTS voice from the Igo menu and actually hear it talking it's version text etc. but Igo crashes a few seconds later.
Is there any chance to brew a custom ROM with a significant lower RAM footprint compared to the official one?

I would suggest you first to try the 3.003b official ROM and then if it's something you don't like reflash to a cooked one..

Philippe_Raimo said:
I would suggest you first to try the 3.003b official ROM and then if it's something you don't like reflash to a cooked one..
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Thank you, but I have flashed 3.003 already. Sorry for the typo.

Anyone get TOMTOM to work on the US version?

I have TOMTOM 6 and 7 for my unlocked tilt but can't get either one to work on my Tmobile US version HD2... Very sad since we have the huge screen and I really don't want to use the TELNAV that came on it. Anyone have any luck with this by chance?
Mahalo Paul

Check the HD2 apps section. There is a working TomTom version for HD2 there.
Actually, here is the link.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=647096
Next time post something like this in General not ROM development though.

alooohaboy said:
I have TOMTOM 6 and 7 for my unlocked tilt but can't get either one to work on my Tmobile US version HD2... Very sad since we have the huge screen and I really don't want to use the TELNAV that came on it. Anyone have any luck with this by chance?
Mahalo Paul
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Hi Tomtom 7 works great on HD2.The only problem is u have to buy maps from tomtom and u cannot use the downloaded maps as it does not recognize them in any way.tomtom will allow you to download one city map for free.
One more thing .Install tomtom 7_915.9196 version only.
If you try the other versions it will knock off your blue tooth.its really amazing.
i got garmin Xt to work somehow.I jumbled up different versions and finally its working and i linked it to navipanel. with small glitch.when i click the phone now in navipanel the app freezes.trying to figure out why?
best of luck

i use igo primo,and works fine,also.

kable said:
Check the HD2 apps section. There is a working TomTom version for HD2 there.
Actually, here is the link.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=647096
Next time post something like this in General not ROM development though.
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Yes that version works fine .. You can add it to the whitelist for the gsensor and that also works well ...
Also on the forum there is a patch that makes it work with the navipanel, if I cannot find the thread, or you can't I think I still have the patch ... Don't want to post it and insult the original poster till other options are tried ...

Question about ROMS, NAVIPANEL and COPILOT (SOLVED!)

I've read that some people have removed CoPilot and Navipanel from their custom Roms. Thing is I've flashed to 2.10 and 2.11 STOCK Roms and never saw that NaviPanel and Copilot were working together. I saw Navitel working with NaviPanel even after installing CoPilot and the Copilot update for HD2. So why can't it work? What Roms were you guys using that did work with NaviPanel and Copilot?
Also, to anyone making custom roms, PLEASE don't remove NaviPanel. No one has been able to restore it through cab files and the ROM is usually the culprit that can't get it restored. Just asking because a lot of custom Rom creators are taking away or putting in programs that require updates or you'll require to install and you can't do it. So please don't do that anymore

Bump, come on somebody. Why are all the custom rom's NaviPanel not working?

By not working I mean all the buttons except PHONE are grayed out.

I think I've figured out some things here. The ORIGINAL HD2 NOT THE TMOBILE VERSION came with CoPilot being run by default on NaviPanel. TeleNav was the one that NaviPanel runs by default on Tmobile version of HD2. I just wonder what differences could be made to enable NaviPanel. Some have posted some success with some minor registry tweaks to just OPEN their GPS program of choice, but not the actual ACTION which the button is suppose to do (Like Navigation, Home, etc.)

Navipanel and Copilot
I also have been having quite a bit a problems with this.
After a number of rom flashes, I now have some basic functionnality.
For the record, I have a telstra hd2 with Miri rom (with the 576 mb of ram). I got the full version with sense. This is available at htcpedia.com.
First thing, you need to download the Laurentius27 GPS copilot 1.0.0.457 cab.
Here is the link:
http://www.4shared.com/file/192636567/3129888e/Laurentius26_GPS_Copilot_1_0_0.html
The 659 version (see the 2577 file) provided by Copilot will not work with Navipanel. Also, the April 6 copilot hd2 us update also does not work with navipanel.
Also, I found that I needed to install an icon and a .lnk file in the registry (I modified the cab of Laurentius) so as to do this. This enabled all the buttons whereas before I only could use the phone button.
All the buttons work. I can access my phone and favorites as well as footprints photos etc.
The problem is that none of the info is transferred to copilot. So clicking on the home button will only open copilot. Same for the recent etc.
I am looking to see if there is some intermediary file that may be missing to enable communication between copilot and sense. This should be some type of database or xml file. I am guessing that this file was present in the early european rom but not in the later asian and tmobile ones. All the cooks migrated to the newer roms and the file was left behind.
So, to install and have copilot working with navipanel on HD2.
1. Uninstall copilot but not the maps on your storage card.
2. Install in memory (not storage) the Laurentius gps cab above.
3. Install in memory (not storage) the icons using the attached cab navipanel cab file.

Thanks for your reply. Still before you replied I went ahead and tried the Dutty's Rom at HTCPedia. They had a CoPilot cab that did the same thing you explained. Problem now is, it doesn't do the exact ACTION that it's supposed to do (like you stated). So now I'm looking for that solution. Any chance you know how to fix that?

darrengladysz said:
I also have been having quite a bit a problems with this.
After a number of rom flashes, I now have some basic functionnality.
For the record, I have a telstra hd2 with Miri rom (with the 576 mb of ram). I got the full version with sense. This is available at htcpedia.com.
First thing, you need to download the Laurentius27 GPS copilot 1.0.0.457 cab.
Here is the link:
http://www.4shared.com/file/192636567/3129888e/Laurentius26_GPS_Copilot_1_0_0.html
The 659 version (see the 2577 file) provided by Copilot will not work with Navipanel. Also, the April 6 copilot hd2 us update also does not work with navipanel.
Also, I found that I needed to install an icon and a .lnk file in the registry (I modified the cab of Laurentius) so as to do this. This enabled all the buttons whereas before I only could use the phone button.
All the buttons work. I can access my phone and favorites as well as footprints photos etc.
The problem is that none of the info is transferred to copilot. So clicking on the home button will only open copilot. Same for the recent etc.
I am looking to see if there is some intermediary file that may be missing to enable communication between copilot and sense. This should be some type of database or xml file. I am guessing that this file was present in the early european rom but not in the later asian and tmobile ones. All the cooks migrated to the newer roms and the file was left behind.
So, to install and have copilot working with navipanel on HD2.
1. Uninstall copilot but not the maps on your storage card.
2. Install in memory (not storage) the Laurentius gps cab above.
3. Install in memory (not storage) the icons using the attached cab navipanel cab file.
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Truth is I think even the American HD2s had NaviPanel written to CoPilot. Tmobile never had it so no use looking there. The Asian ones I can't say I know anything about. At one point there HAS to be a stock rom that had copilot working with navipanel. It just confuses me that this is one of those things that NO ONE tried to fix/perfect in any of their own roms.

Copilot - Navipanel lack of interaction
Phenomenon said:
Thanks for your reply. Still before you replied I went ahead and tried the Dutty's Rom at HTCPedia. They had a CoPilot cab that did the same thing you explained. Problem now is, it doesn't do the exact ACTION that it's supposed to do (like you stated). So now I'm looking for that solution. Any chance you know how to fix that?
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Interesting. I tried Dutty's copilot cab with Miri's rom and it did not work!
Guess the problems might even be more rom specific then I thought.
Did that cab install a navipanel icon for you and if so where?
What is the version of the copilot that it installed?
BTW for your info, the European rom is the one that had navipanel (rom 1.43 and 1.48). The reason I suspect this is the htc hd2 user manual details how to use navipanel. I suspect the missing links are buried in the 1.43 and 1.48 rom which were the initial roms with the t8585. Now cooks are on 2.1. so it will be a challenge to find a cook to return to an old rom to find missing links to then integrate the missing links in the new roms.
BTW here is the link to the latest English Uk rom v1.48 (from htcpedia)
http://htcpedia.com/official_wm_updated_rom_htc_hd_leo_english_europe_version/soft/htc-leo-rom.html
I may try to flash a stock 1.43 or 1.48 to see if it works and if so I will install a kitchen to try and extract this.
Thanks

darrengladysz said:
Interesting. I tried Dutty's copilot cab with Miri's rom and it did not work!
Guess the problems might even be more rom specific then I thought.
Did that cab install a navipanel icon for you and if so where?
What is the version of the copilot that it installed?
BTW for your info, the European rom is the one that had navipanel (rom 1.43 and 1.48). The reason I suspect this is the htc hd2 user manual details how to use navipanel. I suspect the missing links are buried in the 1.43 and 1.48 rom which were the initial roms with the t8585. Now cooks are on 2.1. so it will be a challenge to find a cook to return to an old rom to find missing links.
I may try to flash a stock 1.43 or 1.48 to see if it works and if so I will install a kitchen to try and extract this.
Thanks
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Well, I'm not sure what version it is. I think it's a older version, because when installing the newer "HD2" version the UI changes a little. Duttys apps tend to be very specific to his roms. I know only because I've tried his other apps like the eReader, Documents tab, etc and they never function on other roms as well as on his. I can't say I've seen any Tmobile roms that had the CoPilot app in it. Even the stock roms here have the TeleNav on it routed to NaviPanel by default. NaviPanel never really had an icon for me. I just did the /Windows NaviPanel thing to open the NaviPanel program. I'm currently just waiting to get my carkit to use it correctly. I dunno, I contacted Dutty and it seems he doesn't have a solution for routing the correct action to it either. So we'll have to see what happens.

darrengladysz said:
Interesting. I tried Dutty's copilot cab with Miri's rom and it did not work!
Guess the problems might even be more rom specific then I thought.
Did that cab install a navipanel icon for you and if so where?
What is the version of the copilot that it installed?
BTW for your info, the European rom is the one that had navipanel (rom 1.43 and 1.48). The reason I suspect this is the htc hd2 user manual details how to use navipanel. I suspect the missing links are buried in the 1.43 and 1.48 rom which were the initial roms with the t8585. Now cooks are on 2.1. so it will be a challenge to find a cook to return to an old rom to find missing links to then integrate the missing links in the new roms.
BTW here is the link to the latest English Uk rom v1.48 (from htcpedia)
http://htcpedia.com/official_wm_updated_rom_htc_hd_leo_english_europe_version/soft/htc-leo-rom.html
I may try to flash a stock 1.43 or 1.48 to see if it works and if so I will install a kitchen to try and extract this.
Thanks
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Just remember though the Dutty CoPilot install didn't get me anywhere different than where you are. The only thing it did was ungray the buttons and every button except FootPrint and Phone launch CoPilot. It seemed to have installed the version of CoPilot that just came with the original HD2 (im guessing so because Dutty owns a normal HD2 not Tmobile branded). Of course I think that when he extracted it not ALL of the registry or xml or database was extracted with it. By the way I'm using the latest version of Duttys rom. The one with the 2.11 OEM driver build from tmobile.

Navipanel icon
If you want, try the navipanel cab I posted. It should give you an icon (credit for the icon goes to Laurentius),
All this does is copy a navipanel png to the windows directory and registers a link for that icon.
Let me know if it works.
I will try stock rom 1.48 shortly Too curious.

darrengladysz said:
If you want, try the navipanel cab I posted. It should give you an icon (credit for the icon goes to Laurentius),
All this does is copy a navipanel png to the windows directory and registers a link for that icon.
Let me know if it works.
I will try stock rom 1.48 shortly Too curious.
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Cool, let me know how it goes.

darrengladysz said:
If you want, try the navipanel cab I posted. It should give you an icon (credit for the icon goes to Laurentius),
All this does is copy a navipanel png to the windows directory and registers a link for that icon.
Let me know if it works.
I will try stock rom 1.48 shortly Too curious.
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the 1.48 is a european rom right? I'm in US so I don't think itd work with me.

I just thought i'd suggest you use iGo8. Im using it with my us htc hd2, in california, works perfect no data usage needed and was free =]]
Whats good about copilot and navipanel???

Navipanel and 1.48 rom
Just downloaded and flashed 1.48 uk rom.
Navipanel works fine but the links only open copilot. Address, recent etc. do not work. Maybe at a later date.
Going back to a more recent ROM
I looked into the user guide for the uk versions. Here is the link:
http://member.america.htc.com/download/web_materials/Manual/HTC_HD2/091229_HD2_HTC_WWE_UM.pdf
It does not mention any special link with address, recent etc. So I guess that may be why it is not working. Maybe in the future
I am looking into getting a copilot sdk and maybe there is something to do with this but then I also need to modify the navipanel dll and exe! More learning ...
Also, the only mention of copilot was to save the footprint pictures in the my document\my poi folder on device and folder and these would be accessible to copilot photonav but did not have any success there as well.
I am looking at copilot as this is I find it cool that it integrates with navipanel and the pinch to zoom is nice. Although I must say that their maps are outdated. At present, if I believe their maps, I would be underwater I posted an update request as their ask we do so will need to look into if this is actually followed up.
Google maps is still the most acurate but now I have a limited data plan and want to be able to use the maps features when roaming or in Europe.
javydawg please check your inbox
Thanks

javydawg said:
I just thought i'd suggest you use iGo8. Im using it with my us htc hd2, in california, works perfect no data usage needed and was free =]]
Whats good about copilot and navipanel???
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Well it's not that we can't get CoPilot to work. Any GPS program works on the HD2 as far as I've read (some with some tweaks). We are just trying to find a way to run it from NaviPanel. Navipanel is something that activates whenever you plug it into your carkit for the HD2. Nothing is so "great" about it, but it's a feature that we want to activate and use. And as I've said before no one that has built any custom rom has been able to correctly apply NaviPanel with any GPS program to date.

darrengladysz said:
Just downloaded and flashed 1.48 uk rom.
Navipanel works fine but the links only open copilot. Address, recent etc. do not work. Maybe at a later date.
Going back to a more recent ROM
I looked into the user guide for the uk versions. Here is the link:
http://member.america.htc.com/download/web_materials/Manual/HTC_HD2/091229_HD2_HTC_WWE_UM.pdf
It does not mention any special link with address, recent etc. So I guess that may be why it is not working. Maybe in the future
I am looking into getting a copilot sdk and maybe there is something to do with this but then I also need to modify the navipanel dll and exe! More learning ...
Also, the only mention of copilot was to save the footprint pictures in the my document\my poi folder on device and folder and these would be accessible to copilot photonav but did not have any success there as well.
I am looking at copilot as this is I find it cool that it integrates with navipanel and the pinch to zoom is nice. Although I must say that their maps are outdated. At present, if I believe their maps, I would be underwater I posted an update request as their ask we do so will need to look into if this is actually followed up.
Google maps is still the most acurate but now I have a limited data plan and want to be able to use the maps features when roaming or in Europe.
javydawg please check your inbox
Thanks
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Sigh, I guess it's just a feature that never existed then. I can't find much proof that it ever did unless it was a HTC HD2 unbranded. Thanks anyways tho man.

darrengladysz said:
Just downloaded and flashed 1.48 uk rom.
Navipanel works fine but the links only open copilot. Address, recent etc. do not work. Maybe at a later date.
Going back to a more recent ROM
I looked into the user guide for the uk versions. Here is the link:
http://member.america.htc.com/download/web_materials/Manual/HTC_HD2/091229_HD2_HTC_WWE_UM.pdf
It does not mention any special link with address, recent etc. So I guess that may be why it is not working. Maybe in the future
I am looking into getting a copilot sdk and maybe there is something to do with this but then I also need to modify the navipanel dll and exe! More learning ...
Also, the only mention of copilot was to save the footprint pictures in the my document\my poi folder on device and folder and these would be accessible to copilot photonav but did not have any success there as well.
I am looking at copilot as this is I find it cool that it integrates with navipanel and the pinch to zoom is nice. Although I must say that their maps are outdated. At present, if I believe their maps, I would be underwater I posted an update request as their ask we do so will need to look into if this is actually followed up.
Google maps is still the most acurate but now I have a limited data plan and want to be able to use the maps features when roaming or in Europe.
javydawg please check your inbox
Thanks
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After digging around I think I found some information, but nothing amazing unfortunately.
According to HTC HD2 users, while it was normal for NaviPanel to be hard coded to CoPilot the beginning version (the one built into the rom) didn't do anything but just OPEN the program itself. That's right, basically we are where they were in the beginning.
BUT
After CoPilot came out with the "HD2" update it fixed 2 things. The Home button would open up the menu for you to click your home location and be routed there. Also, the Footprint button would open up CoPilot to again route to where that footprint was taken. Those 2 things were the ONLY improvements on that "HD2" update. Now, yeah it's not an amazing update, still I want to have those features. So currently I'm just looking to see if anyone can provide the original files that were linking CoPilot and NaviPanel. SOMETHING in those will provide the solution to this.

Navipanel copilot integration update
Hi,
I have been exchanging emails with copilot support for navipanel integration. They were very helpful and prompt.
I am happy to post that they have got the integration fully working!
They sent me an upgraded licence key that enables full navipanel and copilot interaction.
Home now opens up copilot and takes me home within copilot.
Recent opens up copilot and gives me my recent locations.
Adresses now opens up adresses in copilot
Footprint also works, I can now get to the Statue of Liberty! Paris is a bit tougher however From Canada at least. You can now take geotagged pictures in footprints and route to them using navipanel and copilot!
If you have copilot, contact support to get the upgrade code (it is free)!.
You need to contact support at:
CoPilot Technical Support
http://support.alk.com
Navipanel is a cool feature to have, make sure your custom rom supports however or see my previous post!

Yep, that really did it. I was just talking to ALK when you sent me that PM lol. Turns out the upgrade key somehow manages to enable those functions for NaviPanel. Please somehow make this a sticky. At one point people WILL come in asking for a NaviPanel/CoPilot fix.