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I'm selling my wizzard it's a year old and has superrom 1.1 running on it, it's in good codition, Make me an offer ! it's got a 2 GB SAN DISK card with it.
No business from me, but I'm wondering whats you next phone?
Yeah been looking into that, it will some sort of smart phone, that does e-mail has a calendar, etc, Its a bit of a pain, but no more of a pain that a WM5 phone crashing all the time, To be honnest the only reason i never sent it back when i got it was because of this site, but as the rom's are not avaliable any more. I'm taking my business else were.
If you are toying with it by adding all kinds of software, trying experimental ROMs, hacking the registry to squeeze some additional speed out of it, adding cabs, etc...you are going to increase your chances of having problems.
Download and install one of Molski's or Faria's 2.2/2.3 roms, install only the necessities and then leave it alone.
Get a M$ powered WM5 Smartphone then. My old Typhoon ran flawlessly. Less likely to crash cause you can't fool around with it as much. Or you can get a Razr like the rest of the public. =P
I'll give ya 100 for it right now
I think getting rid of your phone because of this rom issue dont solve the problem. After all, you already paid for it.
I think the right thing is to continue to use it. But in future, stop buying any HTC or MS products and that will hurt them where it hurt most!!!!
simple ? do u guys think htc will also update htc magic/rogers 32a with 2.0 like the hero? im pretty sure they will but i want to know if the xda community thinks that as well.
Yeah i like to know too. would be cool to have a Eclair Magic
well, it seems like rogers doesn't give a cr*p about it's customers (i.e.,still no donut 1.6 yet...still not paid apps), so I wouldn't hold your breath for eclair or sense UI... maybe 6 months after everyone else gets it.
porky1981 said:
well, it seems like rogers doesn't give a cr*p about it's customers (i.e.,still no donut 1.6 yet...still not paid apps), so I wouldn't hold your breath for eclair or sense UI... maybe 6 months after everyone else gets it.
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The Canadian carriers are bottom feeding scum. They provide horrible levels of service at the highest rates, while making huge profits.
As a long time Rogers customer I doubt you will ever see a 2.0 update from Rogers. 6 months to 1 year after the rest of the world they will roll out a 2.0 phone and offer it as a sign your life away for another 3 years upgrade.
Root and enjoy the freedom to load and run what you want.
Rogers blows
Yeah ... I wouldn't put money on Rogers coming up with a 2.0 release any time soon.
I sent them a formal complaint about the half-assed state of their android OS (on Dream) ... all I got back was a long email full of fluff and BS. About twice the length of my complaint with absolutely no content. There wasn't a single answer to any of my questions, just the usual "valued customer" BS.
Canadian carriers are truely scum. Let's hope with Bell and Telus going GSM, this'll create some competition and things get better ... though I think it'll just turn into a group Monopoly where they all get together and find the best way to gouge the customers.
ok what about finding an official google branded rom and installing it on a 32A Magic
It not only in Canada =/
In Denmark the HTC Magic (32a) is not affected by the carriers, so its up to HTC to release ROM updates, but they never do...
Havent seen 1.6, no official HTC Sense on the way and I wont even wait for android 2.0.....
People can always say "go root and install some custom ROM". Well yeah its nice, but it will never be like having the stock ROMs =/
I have to disagree on this one.
Rooting your phone is ultimately better than having the Rogers-provided stock ROM for a number of reasons like:
- One-touch FULL backup and full RESTORE of your whole phone;
- Wireless tethering;
- Ability to go on the Market and purchase apps as required;
- App2SD and swapping capability, etc.
OK well i might be buying a 32A Magic, but i was wondering if original google ROM with OTA updates can be used on the 32A
Root account
Does unlocking root account voids the warranty?
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I have to disagree on this one.
Rooting your phone is ultimately better than having the Rogers-provided stock ROM for a number of reasons like:
- One-touch FULL backup and full RESTORE of your whole phone;
- Wireless tethering;
- Ability to go on the Market and purchase apps as required;
- App2SD and swapping capability, etc.
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Well yea, compared to a branded phone.
But as he said: In Denmark HTC phones are not branded, no sim-lock no nothing. Meaning the phones haven't been altered at all.
And I would rather have a rom especially built for a certain device, than a cooked version designed for a completely different one.
Just like Sense before there was an official HTC release.
Sure it was fast and most things work, however some things just could'nt be fixed properly.
Regarding wireless tether.
Would'nt it be possible to develop a program not needing root access?
Eskibo said:
Regarding wireless tether.
Would'nt it be possible to develop a program not needing root access?
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Not easily. Android is built on top of a customized Linux and the underlying permissions and rights are pretty fundamental to the OS. You could open everything up to allow non root users the access they need but I bet that "bad things" (highly technical term for difficult to debug file system changes, corruption, etc... would happen as some other poorly written program could then trash the OS. Plus you would have to deal with how the Dalvik machine sitting on top would complicate things. Perhaps once it is opened up to allow running user applications in C it might be simpler, though they are still going to be running virtual.
Much, much simpler to use SuperUser Permissions and explicitly grant access rights to specific programs.
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Not easily. Android is built on top of a customized Linux and the underlying permissions and rights are pretty fundamental to the OS. You could open everything up to allow non root users the access they need but I bet that "bad things" (highly technical term for difficult to debug file system changes, corruption, etc... would happen as some other poorly written program could then trash the OS. Plus you would have to deal with how the Dalvik machine sitting on top would complicate things. Perhaps once it is opened up to allow running user applications in C it might be simpler, though they are still going to be running virtual.
Much, much simpler to use SuperUser Permissions and explicitly grant access rights to specific programs.
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Correct. Also, the wireless tether program that everyone uses is essentially just a gui for executing the necessary iptables commands to handle the routing/nat stuff. Iptables has been in existence for like 10 years now. That's way more than you can say for products like PDANet.
One of the things that makes Linux more secure than other OS's is that it inherently has user separation built in. The advantages that are gained from this far outweigh the minor inconveniences.
I checked a few days ago and the source hadn't been released yet.
Apparently someone here has ripped the 2.0 from a Moto Droid and put it on a G1 (Dream), but according to the same article it's not issue-free yet.
I'm sure Cyanogen would be on it as soon as the source is released
Sense UI on Magic
Came across this:
Sense UI on Magic
Epicardium said:
Came across this:
Sense UI on Magic
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Old news. I hasn't made it to Canada. I read somewhere that HTC may be releasing it to Rogers around Christmas.
porky1981 said:
well, it seems like rogers doesn't give a cr*p about it's customers (i.e.,still no donut 1.6 yet...still not paid apps), so I wouldn't hold your breath for eclair or sense UI... maybe 6 months after everyone else gets it.
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Actually the reason why Canada (Bell, Telus, Rogers) still don't have paid apps on their Android devices is because the Carriers want a piece of the action. They watch Apple rack in a TON of cash and now they want a cut of the profits.
Eskibo said:
Regarding wireless tether.
Would'nt it be possible to develop a program not needing root access?
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No wireless tether requires root access, there is not way to tether without it. It plays around with some settings in the phone that only root access will give you.
tozes said:
Does unlocking root account voids the warranty?
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It does, but you can always unroot if you need warranty service.
Hey guys, I have been using smart phones for a while and usually get around great without rooting. I had the HTC Dream back in the day and couldnt use it without rooting, lol. I am upgrading from the G1 which has met the end of the road for me. What are the benefits of rooting? With the Vibrant which I will finally have on Tuesday, is it necessary? And if it is HIGHLY recommended, how do I go about rooting it?
i would say root it cause its really easy takes not even 5 minutes seriously lol but i would also root it cause there is lots of bloatware on this thing so many apps that arent needed
I am not generally a rooter but this one seemed so easy (and it is) that I did it.
I didn't root the phone to dig into the files, I did it just so I could install stuff that I couldn't otherwise install. It bugged me to see a cool app and then read "YOU MUST HAVE ROOT ACCESS". That's not a problem anymore.
You certainly don't lose anything by rooting so I would say go for it.
Any other disadvantages/advantages
really there are no disadvantages accept maybe warranty but i think theres a way to unroot so no probs but once everything starts picking up there will be way more advantages than disadvantages
Besides the fact of removing awful apps (Bloatware), you can use your phone to tether. Also you can use an app called SetCPU to overclock your processor to actaully use your 1GHZ processor which speeds your phone up, along with a ton of other root apps. Youll be able to flash custom ROMS, flash themes, etc. Not sure if there is a volume hack for the vibrant yet, but that has been a reason for past rooted phones as well.
I highly recommend it...
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reasons to root
1. Use apps that require root access (such as Titanium Backup and Drocap2)
2. Remove preloaded bloatware (who needs TeleNav when Google Maps Navigation is totally free?)
3. Full access to filesystem (useful for developers and general tinkerers)
reasons not to root
1. Always involves some risk (however small) of irreversibly damaging your device
2. Could void warranty or official support
3. Makes it easier for you to accidentally mess up your system.
I only rooted my mytouch and g1 phones so i can get apps2sd, wi-tethering, and overclockcpu.
however, since the upcoming froyo update will allow most of that, i chose not to root for the time being. the phone is very fast and stable for my current needs and has an ample amount of internal memory. the only other reason to root for me would be to flash roms/themes because of my dislike for Samsung's TouchWiz.
it depends on what you ultimately want to get out of your phone.
ryan562 said:
I only rooted my mytouch and g1 phones so i can get apps2sd, wi-tethering, and overclockcpu.
however, since the upcoming froyo update will allow most of that, i chose not to root for the time being. the phone is very fast and stable for my current needs and has an ample amount of internal memory. the only other reason to root for me would be to flash roms/themes because of my dislike for Samsung's TouchWiz.
it depends on what you ultimately want to get out of your phone.
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Same for me i had the g1 loved to root however i switched to unlocked iphone and now im back with the vibrant , the vibrant does everything i want now and the ease of the rooting might have me root if froyo is delayed by Tmobile or something.
Understood, also from reading I dont think there is a way to unroot the phone at all is it? And another ? since you all are being so helpful, is there already an app to at least see what speed your processor is running at. i know that task managers arent really needed, but some of them showed ur cpu speed as well as the load on it. is that something that anyone had an interest in and found. thanks for all of you all's help
Hmm, still debating on rooting. Waiting for my Froyo update. Plus I want to port my Harley-Davidson theme I made for my G1 to Vibrant. Hopefully they don't use those CRAMS files on Vibrant, cause that is when I had to stop themeing my G1. CRAMS was too difficult to mess with. Is the signing file method gonna be the same as G1, or is there a different testsign file? Plus I hope to see my stock file, plus a thinned down, less bloatware file, and themeing templates. So many factors to consider.
I say ROOT! I've never rooted a phone till this one. I just couldn't stand all the bloatware that was in this phone. They just had to be removed. Now all I'm waiting for are some sick ass ROMs I've seen done for other devices to hit this one. I'm sure I'll need help doing so, but this community has been fantastic when help is needed.
Plus side for me is that I also have a 3 week old New still in the box Nexus One as a backup phone in case I screw this one up.
I rooted mine because people kept saying you could tether, but none of the tethering apps actually WORK. They install fine, and Wireless-Tethering says it's working, but the access point never shows up. And Wired-Tethering says the kernel isn't compatible.
So I'd like to hear from any rooted users who actually got them working AND successfully tethered a laptop with it.
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Same for me i had the g1 loved to root however i switched to unlocked iphone and now im back with the vibrant , the vibrant does everything i want now and the ease of the rooting might have me root if froyo is delayed by Tmobile or something.
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if there's any delay on the froyo update, i'd blame it on samsung
I was hoping not to have to root the phone so soon - especially until I could reset it back and a recover like Amon's is available, but after a glorious couple of days of honeymoon, the lags are just killing the experience for me. And I don't think I have a choice now, but to root. I'll try a general reset and see if it works. I have another Vibrant that seems to be only slightly laggy. But I have to return that one and keep the problematic one :-(
Even moving icons on the desktop now takes almost 2 second. Linpack still clocks at 8.5. No problem at all playing a video - just OS operations. The camera froze for 5 minutes and I finally had to just restart the phone. Restarting the phone is not painful on this device though. Very fast.
At this time so early in Vibrant development.. it honestly doesn't really make much of a difference if you root early or root later. Just enjoy the phone for what it is as of right now until the modding community becomes settled in. Just be aware if there are any incoming OTAs if you are unrooted to make sure that the OTA didn't do anything that would change the rooting process.
- Recovery (ability to flash custom ROMs) is in the making
- Custom ROM developers -- in the makes soon
So here's the question. Should I go ahead and invest on a Vibrant (but work for it will begin when I get the Slide done) cont... about 7 hours ago via HTC Peep
If I keep getting the donations I am now, I can get the laptop along with the Vibrant, just considering the Vibrant first ...cont about 7 hours ago via HTC Peep -WesGarner
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I would personally go ahead and root it to unlock some essential applications and it takes <1 minute to do and its pretty simple. But there isn't any rush to root it now or later.. not at least CyanogenMod6 (Android 2.2) gets released for this beastly phone to have JIT.
nm found it
N8QDogg said:
Understood, also from reading I dont think there is a way to unroot the phone at all is it? And another ? since you all are being so helpful, is there already an app to at least see what speed your processor is running at. i know that task managers arent really needed, but some of them showed ur cpu speed as well as the load on it. is that something that anyone had an interest in and found. thanks for all of you all's help
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With the root method given so far, I think the only thing you have to do to unroot it is to remove Superuser Permissions. That's the only thing that the root procedure added to the phone.
I'm rooting my phone when I get it, just because to me (at least) it is a part of the true android experience. I'm just geek enough to like to play with my equipment! Hurry up T-Mobile!!!
Just a quick lil' documentation as to my Cellular South HTC Hero's first major downfall after over 7 months of use.
After using many different ROMS and lots of use on my phone, I decided to RUU to get a new radio and such, and see how it would run. So, after running the update, I noticed the SD card was "removed" and Sense was slow as ever. So, after playing with a few different cards and making sure the cards worked, I called CS, told them the issue, and for the short version, said "LOL borked, invoke your warranty!". So, nice and simple, I went to the store, paid the fee to do it on the spot, and got a brand new Black Hero with the new hardware, plus the 2.1 update 1 (to be rooted shortly, and CM back in. XD )
In short, has anyone had this issue before, and has anyone noticed a difference between the silver and black hardware? Take care, y'all!
~Akkeresu
Same phone, just black.
http://androidandme.com/2010/08/pho...ellular-south-unveils-htc-hero-6250-in-black/
I used XDA Forums for quite awhile for my Samsung Epix, updating that to WinMo 6.5, etc, etc.
I wanted an Android Phone since the G1 first came out, but not having a REAL cell plan (using GoPhone forever, just switched 2 mo ago to the new T-Mobile 4G Monthly), I had to wait for prices to drop (I'm also VERY cheap).
Well, 2 weeks ago, I found a G1 on eBay for $30 (I was the ONLY bidder..Works PERFECT, one minor crack on 'chin'), and got my phone. It is a Bronze (hate the 'lighted keyboard'), ran 1.6, and had a 'bulged' battery, but would hold a charge for a whole 15-20 min, as long as I didn't make a call...lol
So, I hopped on the forums here, and read. And read, then I decided to read some more. Decisions, decisions, decisions... First, I followed the Cyangenmod 6.1 guide, and put that on there. Nice. But a little..Slow? Laggy? It worked OK, but just wasn't right. So I looked at more ROMs. I looked at ICS, Ginger, but settled on Froyo, because I needed stable, and fast, because this is my 'main' phone.
Since I run Linux almost exclusively at home, ADB, and so forth, were not an issue, and the file system on the phone made sense to me. I finally chose the Froyo by Lazlo ROM, and ezterry's kernel, and flashed them. Boy, I am one happy little Droid now. Snappy, fast (once I partitioned my sdcard correctly, and went to ext4 and actually turned on the swap...lol). I also use Google Voice/GTalk a ton at home (I said I was CHEAP), so found Talkatone, which works just right for wifi calls when I run out of the 100 minutes on my Prepaid plan.
So, within 3 days I had a Froyo, wifi-calling, Android running little phone.That battery life I could measure in seconds. So, off to Amazon, and bought one of those extended-2400 mAh batteries and back covers. What a difference! HOURS of use! Days, even!
So, for around $50 (including shipping for phone, and cost of new battery), and about 2 hours of actual "work", I have a Froyo G1, that I'm VERY happy with!
Thank you, Google, HTC, XDA-Developers, Lazlo, ezterry, and whoever made the battery.
For an 'old' phone, it sure does work great!
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marketplace alternative?
have the current froyo by lazlo on my G1, but when trying to add talkatone the marketplace (Now Google Play?) says this is not compatible with my htc dream.
Any suggestions or workarounds? thanks!
korimako said:
have the current froyo by lazlo on my G1, but when trying to add talkatone the marketplace (Now Google Play?) says this is not compatible with my htc dream.
Any suggestions or workarounds? thanks!
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Same, tried looknig it up on the play store on my phone, it wasn't shown on there. lol. Groove IP doesn't have good quality for some reason.
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Talkatone is in the market, just doesn't show up since these phones are really only supposed to allow 1.6... Just went looking for the apk and suprised to find it available on Talkatone's website. Works great, came here to post, and had a message from the OP - Thanks. pretty slick old phnne for $10! I downloaded the "side loading" version from w w w.talkatone.com/android-side-apk.html (sorry not allowed links ) Must have "allow installing" checkbox checked.
UPDATE
I stuck with Froyo By Laszlo (FBL) for quite awhile, and then have been "experimenting" with different ROMS.
So far, most of the GB roms (for me, at least) seem to be either too laggy, or have random reboots, lockups, or memory is HORRIBLE. At least, having my 'giant' battery makes battery life a moot point, so I don't figure that into whether I 'like' a ROM or not.
So far, it seems a tie between FBL and ezTerry's "Official AOSP 2.2 OTA" as far as stability/speed is concerned. The first time I used the AOSP rom, it had some 'odd' behaviors, but when I retried it, it may have been a 'bad' download.
AOSP does a better job with moving all programs, data, and caches over to the SDCard, too, so the apps have more 'memory' to play in.
I'll update this thread as I learn more, and my thoughts and 'concerns' with the ROMs I try out.
Happy Modding!