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A couple of days ago I decided to wipe my phone which was running cyanogen's 4.2.13 because it felt slightly sluggish and I figured it was because I've been through so many rom updates and havent wiped, coming from before the whole google/cyanogen cease and decist.
i wiped the phone, reflashed 4.2.13 and enoch theme and began restoring all my data and apps. I noticed very strange behavior coming from the phone shortly after this though. sometimes the phone would just become completely unresponsive, not even the red button would put it to sleep mode. only option was to pull the battery which allowed the phone to run fine after a reboot.
this has happened a total of 3 times since I wiped/reflashed it (monday night). today it happened again and I decided to let the phone run until I was able to open advanced task manager. to my surprise, about every single application I have on my phone was running in the Applications tab. after killing all, the phone was back to being responsive again. I did not execute anything to open these apps, the phone simply started lagging out and I suppose the reason is because every app was trying to get some use of the CPU.
now I am keeping a heavy watch on my advanced task manager list to see if this will happen again, and I noticed that the Messaging application has spawned itself on the list. is this normal? is something wrong with my phone? has it been compromised? I haven't downloaded anything strange, just the same apps I had before wipe/reflash.
No your location hasn't been compromised and there isnt any spyware or viruses on your phone. Those are services, just like on computers that do numerous things.Sometimes settings becomes active after using power control.You could just put the widget for the taskiller on you home screen if your concerned about speed. If your home screens are filled with hundreds of widgets try removing some and see if the speed increases.The 10MB hack might be helpful if you switch b/t a lot of apps.Or you could try another rom if you wanted.
im pretty sure an app like AK notepad doesnt run as a service, but it was populated a few times on my applications tab, along with other things such as calculator.
i don't use the power control widget either. leaving the task killer widget on my home screen to kill the processes as they fork bomb my phone is just a sloppy way to fix whatever is wrong.
and my home screens arent filled with widgets. the only widgets I use are weather, calendar, curvefish's bluetooth wifi silent screenlock, and overclock widget.
If all your apps keep running in the background try using advanced task managers auto end list
I tend to have 70-80mb free, I use task panel a bunch to kill all backgrounds apps once I get down to 40mb or so.
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I was about to make a new post asking for help for this...
I have a mytouch 3G.
When it was stock, the available ram varied from 20 to 30 MB.
At the moment I have Cyanogen 4.2.14.1, and my ram varies from 15 to 24 MB.
My info from system setting:
Baseband 62.50s.20.17u_2.22.19.26i
Kernel 2.6.29.6-cm42
Mod Version: CyanogenMod-4.2.14.1
Build DRC92
I thought this was supposed to speed it up, and not slow it down. Moment it drops down less then 22 MB, it slows down considerably.
The rebooting time is very high, and the only Widget I am using is Power Control. I would like to use calendar, and Retro Clock and weather or something, but cant even think of it, due to how slow it is.
I am using App2SD, and so I was wondering if anyone help me out and give me directions as to my next action.....
Thanks,
mumbojumbo01 said:
I was about to make a new post asking for help for this...
I have a mytouch 3G.
When it was stock, the available ram varied from 20 to 30 MB.
At the moment I have Cyanogen 4.2.14.1, and my ram varies from 15 to 24 MB.
My info from system setting:
Baseband 62.50s.20.17u_2.22.19.26i
Kernel 2.6.29.6-cm42
Mod Version: CyanogenMod-4.2.14.1
Build DRC92
I thought this was supposed to speed it up, and not slow it down. Moment it drops down less then 22 MB, it slows down considerably.
The rebooting time is very high, and the only Widget I am using is Power Control. I would like to use calendar, and Retro Clock and weather or something, but cant even think of it, due to how slow it is.
I am using App2SD, and so I was wondering if anyone help me out and give me directions as to my next action.....
Thanks,
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People;
Android is NOT Windows.
This means Android is supposed to use as much RAM as possible because Android is Linux-Kernel based, meaning Android properly and correctly handles RAM. It uses as much RAM as possible so every program that is running runs faster, it does not mean the phone is slowing down with less RAM. You guys have to get it out of your head.
"Unused RAM is useless RAM"
hol17 said:
People;
Android is NOT Windows.
This means Android is supposed to use as much RAM as possible because Android is Linux-Kernel based, meaning Android properly and correctly handles RAM. It uses as much RAM as possible so every program that is running runs faster, it does not mean the phone is slowing down with less RAM. You guys have to get it out of your head.
"Unused RAM is useless RAM"
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Thank you very much for your insight.... Please tell me how much RAM do you have left when you are running your system?
Yes low RAM does not mean that phone is slowing down.. but when at 19MB you start noticing your keyboard doesnt act properly, you are not able to open apps at the same speed that you were before when it was 25 MB... I believe that means its slowing down....
Or maybe I am just assuming things.....
mumbojumbo01 said:
Thank you very much for your insight.... Please tell me how much RAM do you have left when you are running your system?
Yes low RAM does not mean that phone is slowing down.. but when at 19MB you start noticing your keyboard doesnt act properly, you are not able to open apps at the same speed that you were before when it was 25 MB... I believe that means its slowing down....
Or maybe I am just assuming things.....
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I have 28MB of RAM left on average and that is with these running:
- Facebook App
- AK Notepad
- Browser
- Alarm
- Footprints
- Gmail
- Google Maps
- IM
- Mail
- Peep
- NetCount
- Stocks
- Weather
- People Widget
- And a few more.
The keyboard does lag sometimes but it's due to Android catching up and removing an app from RAM I believe. That's when it speeds up a bit.
See Right there is the issue,
You have 28MB ram with so many things running.
I have 21 mb Ram with
Power Widget
Messaging
Gmail
and Ebuddy running
Hence the reason why I was questioning this, and if I need to do anything to correct this.
I wasnt looking for 40MB ram or anything. I would just like it to run good with a few more things.
Moment I opened up Google Maps with the above, my Ram dropped to 18 MB and it slowed down that I could not even add the TO location for a while...
So again I ask, if I desire to reinstall the ROM etc, would someone please help me out with the steps, or direct me to it. Keeping in mind that I have App2SD. I would rather use another method then reinstalling the ROM.
Currently using Cyanogen 4.2.14.1 with Cyanogen latest recovery image.
Thank you
mumbojumbo01 said:
See Right there is the issue,
You have 28MB ram with so many things running.
I have 21 mb Ram with
Power Widget
Messaging
Gmail
and Ebuddy running
Hence the reason why I was questioning this, and if I need to do anything to correct this.
I wasnt looking for 40MB ram or anything. I would just like it to run good with a few more things.
Moment I opened up Google Maps with the above, my Ram dropped to 18 MB and it slowed down that I could not even add the TO location for a while...
So again I ask, if I desire to reinstall the ROM etc, would someone please help me out with the steps, or direct me to it. Keeping in mind that I have App2SD. I would rather use another method then reinstalling the ROM.
Currently using Cyanogen 4.2.14.1 with Cyanogen latest recovery image.
Thank you
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Even with all those things running, if I don't need my data enabled, I disable it. When you open Google Maps it tires to find your location, download map data and upload data. Even though mine is running, when I'm done with it I disable my data so none of my apps can slow down my phone by downloading/uploading.
I'm curious about this too if anyone could help, my phone seems to run really slow and often only shows around 25 megs free.
adambrouillard said:
I'm curious about this too if anyone could help, my phone seems to run really slow and often only shows around 25 megs free.
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Check if you have a 32A or 32B board first by going to the boot menu (Power + Back); if you have 32B then there is a reason why it's running so slow -- you have 50% less RAM overall then the 32A boards.
If you have 32A then disable GPS, data, bluetooth, anything after you are done using applications on your phone. Remember that applications run in the background and that means they actually still use all your wireless communications. Since your phone is receiving and sending out data it tends to slow down and feel sluggish.
If it still feels slow or you don't feel like turning off your wireless communications then use a task killer. Make sure to ignore ANY application that does not use wireless communications (ie, Clock, Alarm, HTC sense, Touch Input) and once you are done using an application like Gmail, you can go into task killer and kill the task. Just make sure not to use the widget because now the task killer application is running all the time in the background, monitoring your whole phone, it will drain the battery a bit faster.
I purchased the new MyTouch 3G 1.2 last Monday and installed approximately 60 apps on it and my available memory is at 235! And I must say the battery lasts me a full day with all everything on and heavy usage! I'm diggin' this new purchase!
zombierockstar said:
I purchased the new MyTouch 3G 1.2 last Monday and installed approximately 60 apps on it and my available memory is at 235! And I must say the battery lasts me a full day with all everything on and heavy usage! I'm diggin' this new purchase!
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Installing and running are 2 different things. Installing an app does not mean it is running in the background and using memory.
I'm also surprised that you have that much available memory with heavy usage because that seems impossible if you are opening many apps. You are looking either at false info or not reading the information correctly.
hol17 said:
Installing and running are 2 different things. Installing an app does not mean it is running in the background and using memory.
I'm also surprised that you have that much available memory with heavy usage because that seems impossible if you are opening many apps. You are looking either at false info or not reading the information correctly.
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Just went into settings/SD card & phone storage/ and it states my internal phone storage has 233MB available!
hol17 said:
Check if you have a 32A or 32B board first by going to the boot menu (Power + Back); if you have 32B then there is a reason why it's running so slow -- you have 50% less RAM overall then the 32A boards.
If you have 32A then disable GPS, data, bluetooth, anything after you are done using applications on your phone. Remember that applications run in the background and that means they actually still use all your wireless communications. Since your phone is receiving and sending out data it tends to slow down and feel sluggish.
If it still feels slow or you don't feel like turning off your wireless communications then use a task killer. Make sure to ignore ANY application that does not use wireless communications (ie, Clock, Alarm, HTC sense, Touch Input) and once you are done using an application like Gmail, you can go into task killer and kill the task. Just make sure not to use the widget because now the task killer application is running all the time in the background, monitoring your whole phone, it will drain the battery a bit faster.
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Yeah, I have a 32b. So pretty much 25 megs of free ram is what I should be expecting then?
zombierockstar said:
Just went into settings/SD card & phone storage/ and it states my internal phone storage has 233MB available!
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That is not RAM -- that is the amount of space available to install updates/applications on initial phone STORAGE.
This topic is about phone MEMORY. You can only view it with a third-party application from the market.
You read the information wrong and you posted something that is irrelevant.
adambrouillard said:
Yeah, I have a 32b. So pretty much 25 megs of free ram is what I should be expecting then?
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In short -- yes.
The 32B board has 192MB of RAM compared to the 288MB a 32A board has so you can expect the phone to run a bit slower.
My biggest problem with G1 is not having enough ram. While checking what sits in my ram with MemoryUsage app I noticed virtual keyboard. Since I almost never used it, I killed it. This caused home to reload, but I believe that keyboard has not been loaded instantly.
But after some time, I could see it there again hogging my precious 9MB. Since my phone has usually only like 15MB ram free, this was quite annoying.
After doing some research and BACKUP, since I am rooted I decided to rename the application to see if it will work. The app in question is LatinIME.apk. I renamed it to LatinIME.apkBkp. While I have been there, I did the same thing with LatinImeTutorial.apk. Both files are located in /system/app.
You have to remount it writable first, search this forum for how to do it.
After renaming that file (and maybe killing the app, don't remember exactly) my phone tried to reload home. It failed to do so, force closed and then tried again, resulting in infinite loop.
I rebooted the phone and it worked well, starting normally. Now I have more ram and performance of my phone improved a bit. My free ram stays a bit higher and apps are not so often removed from it.
Overall I am happy about the result and I am looking for more unnecessary stuff to remove.
I am on CyanogenMod 4 btw., so there might be different keyboard apps on other roms.
I have not found anyone mentioning this here, only some tutorials how to change default keyboard, so hopefully someone will find this useful.
If you have any suggestion how to sqeeze even more ram from my G1, bring them on please. (I know of swap, compcache, 10mb hack and keeping low number of apps)
raqua said:
My biggest problem with G1 is not having enough ram. While checking what sits in my ram with MemoryUsage app I noticed virtual keyboard. Since I almost never used it, I killed it. This caused home to reload, but I believe that keyboard has not been loaded instantly.
But after some time, I could see it there again hogging my precious 9MB. Since my phone has usually only like 15MB ram free, this was quite annoying.
After doing some research and BACKUP, since I am rooted I decided to rename the application to see if it will work. The app in question is LatinIME.apk. I renamed it to LatinIME.apkBkp. While I have been there, I did the same thing with LatinImeTutorial.apk. Both files are located in /system/app.
You have to remount it writable first, search this forum for how to do it.
After renaming that file (and maybe killing the app, don't remember exactly) my phone tried to reload home. It failed to do so, force closed and then tried again, resulting in infinite loop.
I rebooted the phone and it worked well, starting normally. Now I have more ram and performance of my phone improved a bit. My free ram stays a bit higher and apps are not so often removed from it.
Overall I am happy about the result and I am looking for more unnecessary stuff to remove.
I am on CyanogenMod 4 btw., so there might be different keyboard apps on other roms.
I have not found anyone mentioning this here, only some tutorials how to change default keyboard, so hopefully someone will find this useful.
If you have any suggestion how to sqeeze even more ram from my G1, bring them on please. (I know of swap, compcache, 10mb hack and keeping low number of apps)
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Unused RAM is wasted RAM. The system will kill applications when more memory is needed. Don't worry about it.
And time for you to upgrade to CM6, don't you think?
lbcoder said:
Unused RAM is wasted RAM. The system will kill applications when more memory is needed. Don't worry about it.
And time for you to upgrade to CM6, don't you think?
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Idiocy runs rampant at Dream forums, huh? Blame the stupid Advanced Task killer dev for getting all these idiots believing killing apps actually serves a purpose...
Anyway, if the OP is concerned about memory usage and bloat, I very much doubt CM6 is a step in the right direction. Maybe the latest CM 5 is a better option.
lbcoder said:
Unused RAM is wasted RAM. The system will kill applications when more memory is needed. Don't worry about it.
And time for you to upgrade to CM6, don't you think?
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Yep, I am very well aware how does it work, but killing the app and loading the other one uses CPU cycles and makes system slow. Especially if it happens all the time as it does on my phone. This is actually the biggest source of laggines imho.
Plus, I am pretty sure, that system apps are not unloaded (some of them at least) or they are unloaded as a last resort. Which was also the case here. I could see other apps being killed (which I did not wanted to be killed) while unused virtual keyboard was happily sitting there.
For the record, I do not use task killer of any sort, does not make significant difference for me and occupies more ram than it saves. So please save that 'idiot' for someone else.
I do not plan to switch to CM5 or CM6, because those need even more ram as CM4 does. Afaik, those roms use hw graphics support which prohibits 10mb hack. I definitely keep 10mb hack on my phone. Did a lot of good to it's speed.
Okay so what setup are you using?
I have tryed every which rom out there since i got into it and i usually only use my phone for browsing youtube music and normal phone stuff and am find these new firmwares to be getting sluggish. Basically i want a lightning quick basic build. I am interested in what exactly you are using.
elltg said:
Okay so what setup are you using?
I have tryed every which rom out there since i got into it and i usually only use my phone for browsing youtube music and normal phone stuff and am find these new firmwares to be getting sluggish. Basically i want a lightning quick basic build. I am interested in what exactly you are using.
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I am using last version of CyanogenMod from 4 series. That is Android 1.6 based.
I have apps2sd, 10mb hack and compcache enabled. No swap. Was not working for me. I removed all the apps that stay in memory like all widgets etc. The only things that is running in my memory permanently are: SeePU (to monitor my phone), JuiceDefender (to save battery), Battery Left widget and Astrid.
I set my phone to keep Home app in memory all the time, removed all the unnecessary effects in Spare Parts and removed virtual keyboard.
With this setup, my phone performs quite ok. Not as snappy as I would want it to be, but acceptable.
Hope it helps.
I have been using Super-D 1.9.3 with 10mb hack. Removed VPN, VoiceDialer, GenieWidget and some other misc things. Latest ADW instead of Launcher.apk, MusicMod 1.5 instead of stock music, latest 1.6 Phone.apk from Wysie. I also themed my lockscreen and Powertop widget. I has been about 4 months since I flashed it and it hasn't slowed down much at all (and I rarely reboot it). Not a singel FC! Battery lasts me thru the day (I have facebook, twitter and Gmail updating themselves). All in all, its one of the best set-ups I've used. I strongly suggest trying out earlier Super-D roms if you're looking for reliable daily driver (anything before 1.11 should be quite good, 1.11 is when it all went downhill)
Good luck.
raqua said:
I am using last version of CyanogenMod from 4 series. That is Android 1.6 based.
I have apps2sd, 10mb hack and compcache enabled. No swap. Was not working for me. I removed all the apps that stay in memory like all widgets etc. The only things that is running in my memory permanently are: SeePU (to monitor my phone), JuiceDefender (to save battery), Battery Left widget and Astrid.
I set my phone to keep Home app in memory all the time, removed all the unnecessary effects in Spare Parts and removed virtual keyboard.
With this setup, my phone performs quite ok. Not as snappy as I would want it to be, but acceptable.
Hope it helps.
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You have options.
-Remove apps2sd and use the mtd patch method. That way you cut out the slowest link on the phone: the memory card. With the MTD hack, you can get maybe 150 megs or more of internal space for apps on a donut rom.
-Use the latest version of setcpu since it doesn't stay in memory. You can try an overclock, it will help but shorten battery life some. Maybe 576 or 595 would be enough of an overclock to make it feel faster yet not drain battery like crazy.
-Keep CC on and lock home in memory
-remove the battery widget lol.
=Delete juicedefender and just use the power control widget.
-I usually remove apps that tend to launch on their own, such as the genie widget or the voice search, as well the the VK since I never use those. It's easy enough to write a script or remove them by hand from the terminal. for example, to remove the VK, open terminal and type
Code:
su
mount -o rw,remount /system
rm -f /system/app/LatinIME.apk
-reboot your phone often, and try clearing your cache using cachemate or similar
Hi,
I likes to use Weather and twitter,FB apps of Win8.But hot to close them after opening them?I have to go to Task manager to kill them.
When i go to task manager there was Suspended written in left side of Application name.
What does it indicate?
What is difference between Suspend & Killing??
Sorry for Bad English
My basic understanding is that it is sort of like a mobile OS (Android, iOS...). Suspended apps are kept in RAM for quick resume but not actively processed. They can also be cleared from memory automatically as soon as it is needed for something else. In theory, you shouldn't have to worry about it, just let it do it's own thing. In practice, task manager is there if something goes wrong.
Correct, Supended apps are held in memory, but they do not use any processor nor do they have any effect on battery life. Very effecient way of multitasking like Windows Phone 7.5.
someone tweeted about it to Sam Moreau in channel9.
and he explained people have to stop thinking about "closing" an app and have to close apps to get your computer work fast. of course they have to tweak it.
and difference with killing, its apps are suspended so they eat some memory but its not like it will kill your memory.
with all apps suspended and all, still I use like 10-15% less memory than windows 7. which is amazing
This is not completely true. Several days ago, I was playing with Windows 8 and I have noticed that it got significantly slower. So I opened a task manager and weather app was using 60% of the CPU. In background. I am not sure, what was doing but I guess that it was drawing weather animation?
Also another drawback is that you cannot control what is in "app switching menu". You just have to keep sliding apps to the right and hope that you find one you are looking for. Apps you don't need don't close and apps you do need might suspend/close.
matejdro said:
This is not completely true. Several days ago, I was playing with Windows 8 and I have noticed that it got significantly slower. So I opened a task manager and weather app was using 60% of the CPU. In background. I am not sure, what was doing but I guess that it was drawing weather animation?
Also another drawback is that you cannot control what is in "app switching menu". You just have to keep sliding apps to the right and hope that you find one you are looking for. Apps you don't need don't close and apps you do need might suspend/close.
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But its because its Dev Preview. and remember these apps are just place holders to have something to show in windows 8. its not like they will be there in the end, since they aren't optimized for example.
so the point is... you will not have to close the app. but since its a dev preview it will have problems. sometimes i cant even type here in IE desktop because it gets slow i guess for the spellchecker. and it wont stay that way in the end, they are fixing all this stuff, adding new features and making awesome apps for stuff like photos, people, messenger hub. stuff like that. but these apps you see like [email protected] and weather are just placeholders.
also developers have to optimize everything for their apps.
and the apps switching is for tablets, the swipe thing. you only click on the left of your screen and it goes to next app. if you pause a second and click again you will go back to your last app. also you can use scroll wheel. and alt+tab and win+tab. and ctrl+win+tab, ctrl+alt+tab.
so you don't have to think these apps you got in dev preview are going to be in RTM or beta. and apps will not be optimized to run nicely (like they do in WP7).
this OS needs work and it will have alot of bugs.
When I frist got my n7, I believe it took about 30-40 seconds to boot up. As I have installed apps it has taken longer and longer.
I've cleared up a fair about of space (1.5 gig free) but it's still a slow bootup.
I've read all about google 'takes of everything' and will kill idle processes, but really I don't want to give these apps permission to start in the first place. here's an example: appsales, a neat app that will let you see what is on sale. But I want to run it when I want to run, not get notifications in my task bar '5 new apps on sale!'. I'm not saying this app is the culprit but you get my point.
From what I've read, there's no real way to stop this, task killers just continually check and re-kill the app. I just wanted to confirm, there's no way, (even with a custom rom) to have control and say no this app can never launch?
If that's true, what do others use to kill background apps.
I was going to wipe it and install a custom rom, but I bet as I install all my apps again, I'll be back in the same boat. And I've read others install their apps one at a time to find which ones are causing issues, well there must be a better way.
Remember when you first started using windows 95/98 and you discovered msconfig? It was like, 'Cool now I can stop all these freaking apps from loading at startup!'
here you go, only enable the apps you want, and problem solved. https://play.google.com/store/apps/...wsMSwxLDEsImltb2JsaWZlLnN0YXJ0dXBtYW5hZ2VyIl0.
You could go one step further and use openpdroid. You will need to be rooted on a non-stock ROM, though.
Once you have it installed, you can control a slew of permissions, including the one that allows booting at start.