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Hi Guys,
I'm back on XDA Forums again after straying over to maemo.org (Nokia N810 internet tablet) for a year or so. Great hardware, but software just wasn't there yet (for me) so it went to ebay as soon as I read about the HD.
Anyway, I was wondering. Given these large sensitive screens and new input methods like shapewriter & swype on the way (if they ever get round to releasing them), do you really think a real qwery keyboard will still be a requirement for most people.
I'm an ex Universal owner (still got it, but needs fixing). But having seen the demo's of shapewriter etc. and having played around with a couple of examples on my Tablet PC, I'm really excited about these sliding based input options. I reckon 50+ words a minute looks quite manageable with very little training.
I don't think I will miss the qwerty input except when entering very technical stuff (things that would not be recognised by the dictionary).
What do you guys think ?
If you don't know what shapewriter or swype are, take a look at :
www.shapewriter.com
www.swypeinc.com
Zuber
Zuber said:
Hi Guys,
I'm back on XDA Forums again after straying over to maemo.org (Nokia N810 internet tablet) for a year or so. Great hardware, but software just wasn't there yet (for me) so it went to ebay as soon as I read about the HD.
Anyway, I was wondering. Given these large sensitive screens and new input methods like shapewriter & swype on the way (if they ever get round to releasing them), do you really think a real qwery keyboard will still be a requirement for most people.
I'm an ex Universal owner (still got it, but needs fixing). But having seen the demo's of shapewriter etc. and having played around with a couple of examples on my Tablet PC, I'm really excited about these sliding based input options. I reckon 50+ words a minute looks quite manageable with very little training.
I don't think I will miss the qwerty input except when entering very technical stuff (things that would not be recognised by the dictionary).
What do you guys think ?
If you don't know what shapewriter or swype are, take a look at :
www.shapewriter.com
www.swypeinc.com
Zuber
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Typing faster and more confortable than in a real keyboard won´t be as easy to achieve as it seems, at least for today technology on KB on screen, we are far away...
need a real keyboard?
...just add it!
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard/devices/3848&cl=US,EN
pzucchel said:
...just add it!
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard/devices/3848&cl=US,EN
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I've got one of these. I'm not sure how you think it's supposed to work with an HD.
Zuber said:
Hi Guys,
I'm back on XDA Forums again after straying over to maemo.org (Nokia N810 internet tablet) for a year or so. Great hardware, but software just wasn't there yet (for me) so it went to ebay as soon as I read about the HD.
Anyway, I was wondering. Given these large sensitive screens and new input methods like shapewriter & swype on the way (if they ever get round to releasing them), do you really think a real qwery keyboard will still be a requirement for most people.
I'm an ex Universal owner (still got it, but needs fixing). But having seen the demo's of shapewriter etc. and having played around with a couple of examples on my Tablet PC, I'm really excited about these sliding based input options. I reckon 50+ words a minute looks quite manageable with very little training.
I don't think I will miss the qwerty input except when entering very technical stuff (things that would not be recognised by the dictionary).
What do you guys think ?
If you don't know what shapewriter or swype are, take a look at :
www.shapewriter.com
www.swypeinc.com
Zuber
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I must say that the videos are very impressive and at this moment, it seems to be a very good alternative to a physical keyboard. Looking at those videos I had the urge to test the softwares out but they are not available yet.
Not even betas.
Shapewriter has a free software download but it's on iTunes and it's only for iPhones...
Ruudfood said:
I've got one of these. I'm not sure how you think it's supposed to work with an HD.
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Well, i don't have neither the dinovo mini neither the touch hd . However, if you browse google you can find that various people have succeeded to connect PC bluetooth keyboards to windows mobile, so i think it should be possible.
http://www.windowsmobiletraining.com/connection/forums/p/1045/3357.aspx
Zuber said:
www.shapewriter.com
www.swypeinc.com
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Already been done! There's a keyboard that's already been officially that allows you to "draw" from letter to letter. I remember reading about it maybe even 2 months ago. Its been posted in the general forum/subforum.
pzucchel said:
Well, i don't have neither the dinovo mini neither the touch hd . However, if you browse google you can find that various people have succeeded to connect PC bluetooth keyboards to windows mobile, so i think it should be possible.
http://www.windowsmobiletraining.com/connection/forums/p/1045/3357.aspx
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Well in that case...
I have to say though that the keys on the DiNovo Mini are quite small even though the device itself is quite big (it's bigger than an HD) so not something you'd want to carry round with you or type large amounts of text with. Handy for occasional use, but then again if you're only using it occasionally you might as well stick with the various software keyboards that are available.
pzucchel said:
...just add it!
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard/devices/3848&cl=US,EN
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Mercí
I was not aware of that product!
I´ll get one once I recieve my HD!!
Great demo video on swype
Found a good youtube video on swtpe that goes into a little more detail rather than the basic promo stuff.
It doesn't have the nice graphics, but the technology looks good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anYvTSnXWbk
Zuber
I am glad you all liked the concept you have seen. Because unlike Swype and which is only an idea for now, and Shapewriter which isn't much of a use in the ihone, there is a company who also manifested this idea and it is available for the public allready. I found it in some forum a few weeks ago, and since then I am simply amazed.
It's called SlideIT, has free demos.
Here is a video for it if you like to see it in action first:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkFSGfe2NEQ
Check it out then: http://www.mobiletextinput.com/Product/SlideIT/SlideIT.php
Jim Me said:
I am glad you all liked the concept you have seen. Because unlike Swype and which is only an idea for now, and Shapewriter which isn't much of a use in the ihone, there is a company who also manifested this idea and it is available for the public allready. I found it in some forum a few weeks ago, and since then I am simply amazed.
It's called SlideIT, has free demos.
Here is a video for it if you like to see it in action first:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkFSGfe2NEQ
Check it out then: http://www.mobiletextinput.com/Product/SlideIT/SlideIT.php
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I just saw the youtube video.
I'm not sure I like the layout of the keyboard. what's up with that "pizza pie" format?
That's a bit weird.
The added graffiti recognition feature is pretty cool.
I owned an HTC Universal too, but to be honest, hardly use the keyboard.
HI, following your comments i started evaluating the demo version of slideIT for curiosity...simply amazing, i am tempted to buy it but i will wait for the HD to make sure it works OK on 800x480. I make much fewer errors than with normal soft keyboards, and in a few trials i realized i am equally fast...i couldn't believe it myself.
Indeed, the pen is mandatory...but so what?
...anybody which had tried swype? as far as i understand, the software doesn't exist yet...
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HI, following your comments i started evaluating the demo version of slideIT for curiosity...simply amazing, i am tempted to buy it but i will wait for the HD to make sure it works OK on 800x480. I make much fewer errors than with normal soft keyboards, and in a few trials i realized i am equally fast...i couldn't believe it myself.
Indeed, the pen is mandatory...but so what?
...anybody which had tried swype? as far as i understand, the software doesn't exist yet...
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Nope, both shapewriter and swype don't exist for WM yet. If you own an iPhone you could get a free copy of shapewriter on iTunes.
I'm wondering what is swype waiting for. We've all seen the software being used on videos on youtube. So what's with the delay of the release?
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Nope, both shapewriter and swype don't exist for WM yet. If you own an iPhone you could get a free copy of shapewriter on iTunes.
I'm wondering what is swype waiting for. We've all seen the software being used on videos on youtube. So what's with the delay of the release?
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Yes, I find it really frustrating. I've had a tablet pc for several months now and the only thing I find problematic is data input.
Shark was around years ago, but they pulled it to go commercial with ShapeWriter (you can't get hold of the old Shark beta software anymore).
Swype has obviously been around in beta for quite some time as well, but again not for the public. In the demos, I'm sure I've seen it running on windows mobile.
I took a quick look at slide it, but personally, I'm only interested in the slide input and SlideIt seams to have put too much effort into the "three input methods". I'm more interested in the realestate being dedicated to a single input method with large buttons.
Also I get the feeling that swype/shapewriter have better algorithms for "sloppy" input.
Finally, SlideIT is Windows Mobile only. I want a common input method on my tablet and my PDA.
I do wonder if both camps are holding back while thier legal teams sort out where they stand on patents etc.
Just my thoughts...
Zuber
pzucchel said:
...just add it!
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard/devices/3848&cl=US,EN
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Did you manage to get Divo Mini Logitech keyboard to work with the HD?
If it does that wiould be the perfect combination for me. Hopefully you can balance the HD on the cover as well.
Comments would be greatly appreciated!
CAlli
pzucchel said:
...just add it!
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard/devices/3848&cl=US,EN
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Did you manage to get Divo Mini Logitech keyboard to work with the HD?
If it does that wiould be the perfect combination for me. Hopefully you can balance the HD on the cover as well.
Comments would be greatly appreciated!
CAlli
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Did you manage to get Divo Mini Logitech keyboard to work with the HD?
If it does that wiould be the perfect combination for me. Hopefully you can balance the HD on the cover as well.
Comments would be greatly appreciated!
CAlli
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Hi Calli, the comment is very simple: nobody here has a touch HD yet!
...anybody who has tried the dinovo mini on a diamond to comment? i am sure it could be a good proxy...
Good point. Got carried away in anticipation!
Calli
Does anyone have an idea or thinks HTC will launch HTC Touch HD with QWERTY and call it HTC Touch HD Pro?
Anyway, that would be my perfect phone. I was about to buy HTC Touch Pro but when HTC Touch HD came out, I kinda relaxed thinking HTC Touch HD might be the right product for me. All I can think of now is, will those fellas in Taiwan come up with the Pro version for HTC Touch HD?
Any suggestions?
bjluv said:
Does anyone have an idea or thinks HTC will launch HTC Touch HD with QWERTY and call it HTC Touch HD Pro?
Anyway, that would be my perfect phone. I was about to buy HTC Touch Pro but when HTC Touch HD came out, I kinda relaxed thinking HTC Touch HD might be the right product for me. All I can think of now is, will those fellas in Taiwan come up with the Pro version for HTC Touch HD?
Any suggestions?
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I had the same thoughts, then I realised that we did not have qwerty with the original Pocket Pc's. Therefore why not use a fold up (stoway) keyboard. Carry with you only when needed and it is better sized keyboard as well. Then when not required you only carry a thin phone with you the HD!
Calli
I was going to post the exact same thoughts. I too wanted to pick up the HTC Touch Pro. But after seeing the HTC Touch HD, I convinced myself I would be willing to wait up to a year, for something with that screen and a QWERTY slider. I hope HTC has this in their recent plans.
The thing is as the screen is quite large, the keys on the virtual keyboard may be quite wider and therefore make your typing more accurate. Also there are third party software keyboards that are full screen such as spb full screen keyboard. Google "spb full screen keyboard screenshots" and go to the first result.
BTW, does anyone know how I can get rid of the vodafone logo at the top right corner of this post? I am not on vodafone anymore. Cant figure where in my profile settings I can remove it.
The truth of the matter is, when it comes to engaging in multiple sms texting communications, it's hard to beat an actual, physical keyboard. It seems HTC would agree by their decision to produce the HTC Touch Diamond and HTC Touch Pro (I know there are other hardware specs also).
What would be the harm to allow consumers to have the option? I don't consider a portable folding keyboard as an option, to engage in texting and emailing discussions. That would be too cumbersome for quick messaging.
Come on HTC..........bring this to reality.......bring this to the states for ATT 3G. Hopefully this could be a true Hapy Thanksgiving in 2009. I'm prepared to wait it out a year for this one.
bjluv said:
Does anyone have an idea or thinks HTC will launch HTC Touch HD with QWERTY and call it HTC Touch HD Pro?
Anyway, that would be my perfect phone. I was about to buy HTC Touch Pro but when HTC Touch HD came out, I kinda relaxed thinking HTC Touch HD might be the right product for me. All I can think of now is, will those fellas in Taiwan come up with the Pro version for HTC Touch HD?
Any suggestions?
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here's a hint:
Wouldn't that be the already in production Athena???
Pawel062 said:
here's a hint:
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Seems you know...or are testing...something we don't know about. If this dream phone comes out, and it doesn't have US 3G frequencies, I just may have to try and slit my wrists with my HTC Trinity
Pawel062 said:
here's a hint:
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so where is it? Give us more info if u have something else up ya sleeve brother
calli said:
I had the same thoughts, then I realised that we did not have qwerty with the original Pocket Pc's. Therefore why not use a fold up (stoway) keyboard. Carry with you only when needed and it is better sized keyboard as well. Then when not required you only carry a thin phone with you the HD!
Calli
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This is almost impossible. A friend used to have something like that for one of his old HTC PPC without the physical QWERTY - I think it was cruise or p3600. He gave it away for a kaiser so nothing beats the physical.
Imagine dropping ur fold-up keyboard home thinking, ok no heavy texting today. Suddenly, during the day you find yourself out of the office and had to send loads of emails and txt colleagues. Damn you will bite those fingers
Was thinking Athena earlier before Touch Pro. My brother got that and I wasnt all that impressive with what I saw. I wanna belive HTC Touch HD Pro will come out Q1 2009
HTC Touch HD Pro is what I am waiting for if it would finally see the daylight.
tboy2000 said:
BTW, does anyone know how I can get rid of the vodafone logo at the top right corner of this post? I am not on vodafone anymore. Cant figure where in my profile settings I can remove it.
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Here ya go:
Quick Links > Edit your details> scroll down to Additional information and change from GSM Provider.
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So someone add more networks to Finland. We do not have Telia anymore here
I just want a bigger screen then my Tilt with VGA and 3G here in the USA
the keyboard to me is no big deal
Looks like I will do the upgrade to the Fuze from my Tilt on my wifes upgrade then maybe if the HD comes to the USA in 2009 I can do the upgrade on my account
I hope
If they could also add
-Flash
-VGA video recording at 30 fps
-DVB-H (we got nation wide coverage of DVB-H overhere in the Netherlands)
and maybe even :
-Opticall zooming
Then it would come close to the perfect phone untill Nvidia tegra processors arive.
thanks Bjluv!
Read here please:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=437646
It looks beautifull with keyboard!!
Hope this can become true
it is coming...just watch out for it
bjluv said:
it is coming...just watch out for it
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Do you know this from a trust source? or it´s just your personal thinking
Thanks,
there is too much rumours out there but I think it is coming or it should come... I want to think I know so...
orb3000 said:
Do you know this from a trust source? or it´s just your personal thinking
Thanks,
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listen people will not go straight out and say that yes there will be one. u need to put 2 and 2 together if u know what i mean.
Pawel062 said:
listen people will not go straight out and say that yes there will be one. u need to put 2 and 2 together if u know what i mean.
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Agree!
Cheers,
Can anyone guide me and tell me if it's worth upgrading my Omnia to the HD?
I know the processor in the Omnia is faster but there some other things that make it a less atractive phone..
Any input from you guys would be appreciated
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Can anyone guide me and tell me if it's worth upgrading my Omnia to the HD?
I know the processor in the Omnia is faster but there some other things that make it a less atractive phone..
Any input from you guys would be appreciated
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the moste importand thing you will notice is the interface. The touch Flow 3D is much more simple and effective than the Omnia widget based interface.
Yes i know but have inmind that i have also the Diamond
I plan to upgrade to the HD if I can sell my Omnia, the Omnia is a great device but the external stylus is just not working for me, even though they are trying to get us all to use thumbs and fingers the stylus is an important part of a PDA for me.....
I'd wait till the phone is actually out and you see what everyday users have to say about it.
I already sold my Omnia after having it for one week only
I know it was stupid of me of rushing to getting it. I should do my research better before i got it.
But I don't regret selling it, from all the reviews, videos I've seen I doubt that the HD will dissapoint me!
It would be worth upgrading just for the fact that the HD is supported by the great XDA forum!!
galaxys said:
It would be worth upgrading just for the fact that the HD is supported by the great XDA forum!!
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10000000000% agree
galaxys said:
It would be worth upgrading just for the fact that the HD is supported by the great XDA forum!!
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true. that it the main reason why i didnt get the omnia and decided to wait for the HD.
that is why i buy HTC, because it is supported by a colossal, active, and talented xda-community.
also the omnia has wqvga
to me, i didnt go for Omnia because its dimension is narrow, not good for reading emails or watching video. HTC HD has a more or less 16:9 ration like iPhone which makes sense.
http://www.expansys.com.hk/video.aspx?id=1561&i=173502
Raziel1 said:
the moste importand thing you will notice is the interface. The touch Flow 3D is much more simple and effective than the Omnia widget based interface.
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yeah, but what about when you flash the rom and put touchflo on your omnia?
galaxys said:
It would be worth upgrading just for the fact that the HD is supported by the great XDA forum!!
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+1 !
love it here!
sold my omnia with less than 1 month usage
I'm much happier with my htc touch pro, even with smaller screen and worse camera
respider said:
sold my omnia with less than 1 month usage
I'm much happier with my htc touch pro, even with smaller screen and worse camera
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Why? Please elaborate!
Hi,
Im just curious what Leo users think of the HD Mini and if they plan to downsize?
Cheers
If i had HTC Mini I would change to Leo..
No way i got my leo for the size and speed, i don't want something less lol
i am a hd one user i would upgrade to hd mini to save money as both hd2 and hd mini will not get wp7 so why spend more money
trev666 said:
No way i got my leo for the size and speed, i don't want something less lol
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Exact, same here! Definitely no way!
GLO said:
Hi,
Im just curious what Leo users think of the HD Mini and if they plan to downsize?
Cheers
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blasphemy!!
No way... Honestly, I don't know if I could go back to a device smaller than an HD2. It is absolutely perfect for me. I hope this size is more common in new HTC devices. I would hate to ever have to use one of those tiny ass phones again.
downgrading from the snapdragon will certainly be noticable on the mini. The size may be tempting for some its not for me.
most of us both the HD2 for the big screen so why downsize?
I'm tempted to downsize to a smaller, less powerful, rubbish WM 6.5.x version of the HD2 - sounds like a bargain*
* Not really, what a silly question!!! lol
NO WAY...............................
Only someone out of their friggin mind would do such a lame thing!
ryuu55 said:
No way... Honestly, I don't know if I could go back to a device smaller than an HD2. It is absolutely perfect for me. I hope this size is more common in new HTC devices. I would hate to ever have to use one of those tiny ass phones again.
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+1 I agree
Lmao this should be moved to the LOL section of XDA (we do have such a thing, right??? Please say right)
I was messing with a friends brand new phone (which phone has left me for the time being lol).
But all I could say when using it was 'wow, its so small. How do you live with that screen?'
I'd not change my HD2 for the world.
+1 for me too... i the that the HD2 is the best phone on the market at the present time....
whoa!
Such a resounding No!
Can only mean that the HD2 meets its expectations!
Im keen on the HD2 but still like the dpad and hardware buttons on my Kaiser!
The HD Mini is a cut down version of the Touch HD... Not in the same league as the HD2.
Lol, no way for me XD at least don't cut down processor speed
What do you think?
dont get it! htc app on dell? get a htc
ajftl said:
dont get it! htc app on dell? get a htc
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Yes, this is a hard decision. But I truly love portrait KB. I can type with two hands or one depending on the situation. I don't need super wide keys.
I have had two BB Pearls in the past, and when I had them I thought the landscape KB was going to be awesome. I have had a G1 now for two years with it's landscape KB. I develop iPhone apps, among other things, so with it's virtual KB and the android KB (iPhone sucks without swype lol) I have logged many hours with all the KB types.
Some messages or responses are long, some medium, and some short. With a portrait Slide KB I can use whatever medium I want.
Wow, and the Dell is sexy as hell.
So HD7 has 4.3 inch screen and Dell has 4.1. I'm still leaning towards the Dell
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What do you think?
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You won't be able to without some sort of hacking, as the manufacturer-specific apps are part of the OEM "differentiation" that Microsoft is promoting.
Why? Is there anything actually worth having? Applications with pointless eye-candy, why would anyone want those?
efjay said:
Why? Is there anything actually worth having? Applications with pointless eye-candy, why would anyone want those?
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Lol, just thought about the other end of the spectrum. Command line phone.
Call ########## -gc -speaker -vol:75
I guess could just write a script if I used it often enough...
Yeah, I like the HTC fluff.
he3 said:
Lol, just thought about the other end of the spectrum. Command line phone.
Call ########## -gc -speaker -vol:75
I guess could just write a script if I used it often enough...
Yeah, I like the HTC fluff.
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I'm all for apps that look good but the HTC apps on WP7 don't really seem to serve much purpose at all. The animations take forever and there's lots more usable ways of implementing them.
May be for now htc hub is useless but later may be there is application added by htc that make differance
The Question is .. is all Hubs developed by companies can be easily move from one device to other company device
i liked the Dell device as well, but in a long run i will stick to the HD7 and for the first time in a long time i will be using a phone with out a physical keyboard.....
i will rather have a HTC device then any other as i like to try the goddies from XDA gods (chefs)...
and dell is not selling in Asia anyway... maybe as a second phone i will get the venue pro...
Having had an HD2 for a while and a Touch Pro before that, oh and a TyTn before that, I think HTC's software is just bloaty eye-candy at best.
The app store will cover everything you need anyway.
I like the weather app and the equalizer.. wouldn't mind having them on my Venue Pro.
The Dell Venue Pro would have been perfect (for me) if it had:
1) HTC Locations (/ maps)
2) HTCSense.com functionality
3) Flash (as per the HTC Desire HD)
All Windows Phones have HTCSense.com functionality built in... MyPhone
so, we won't be able to get it.
i'm sure there must be a way to unpack it from the rom and make a (how are the cab's called now?)...
cheers all
victor
vicie said:
so, we won't be able to get it.
i'm sure there must be a way to unpack it from the rom and make a (how are the cab's called now?)...
cheers all
victor
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This is the direction this thread was supposed to go, heh. But it got moved out of development general. Oh wells.
he3 said:
This is the direction this thread was supposed to go, heh. But it got moved out of development general. Oh wells.
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I'd say it was moved from the Dev general forum because you asked about a specific device...
Maybe you could start a new thread in the Dev general (or Win7 Dev) asking about the possibility of extracting the Sense stuff and getting it onto other non-HTC WP7 devices?
yeah but what is the file structure like in comparison to venue pro? Is the application hw or sw based? and how do we recompile the container to install on our side?
we may need a jailbreak =/
I'm only guessing, but I'd say it's only software based and will work on pretty much any WP7 device if it can be pulled from an HTC one.
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I'm only guessing, but I'd say it's only software based and will work on pretty much any WP7 device if it can be pulled from an HTC one.
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I read a tweet that said some of the HTC apps are native... No proof though.
so, is there a new thread, or not?, cuse we might make work of it (is that english??)