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hd2 graphics vs iphone 3gs? which is better

can someone answer this please?

When the drivers of the HD are sorted, the HTC will be better,

iPhone 3GS, even after the drivers get sorted out on the HD2 (like Pagnell says..)

Well since the HD2 drivers are not yet "sorted" then its not yet possible to rule out the HD2. but if you take into account a larger screen, much higher resolution and faster processor on the HD2 this should give the HD2 the advantage.

Realistically the iPhones wins this one. The CPU is slower, but the GPU is slightly faster, and since the iPhone is a single closed system, apps are able to make full use of it. This just rarely happens on winmo and HTC have messed up the drivers yet again.
However if more games like Electopia appear that could all change.
The HD2 has a much better screen and it has 2.5x as many pixels, but the games and apps are just not there, yet.
If you dont count games then i think Sense is better than the iPhone interface visually and movies look better on the HD2.

he's talking about graphics and not speed. the GPU chipset on the iPhone 3GS is more powerfull than the one in the snapdragon chipset

If you show a fact (a link or something), that will certainly help since we have different opinions here.

if its real that the 3gs has SGX535 gpu then its moore powerful than Z430 that are in snapdragon

While I hate Apple, the GPU in the 3GS is stronger and it is driving a much lower resolution screen.
A little like running a Radeon 5750 driving a 1920x1200 screen (HD2) vs a Radeon 5870 driving an 800x600 screen (3GS). Even at the same res the iPhail would be slightly quicker, at a much lower res the poor HD2 will get slaughtered, and even were that not the case, a Winmo developer will want his game to also run on those horrible MSM7200 528MHz chipsets in like, every HTC in recent memory, so the games won't ever be designed to exploit the Snapdragon.
I want Tegra

An often-quoted list of theoretical specifications:
Nintendo DS: 120,000 triangles/s, 30 M pixels/s
PowerVR MBX-Lite (iPhone 3G): 1 M triangles/s, 100 M pixels/s
Samsung S3C6410 (Omnia II): 4 M triangles/s, 125.6 M pixels/s
ATI Imageon (Qualcomm MSM72xx): 4 M triangles/s, 133 M pixels/s
PowerVR SGX 530 (Palm Pre): 14 M triangles/s, ___ M pixels/s
ATI Imageon Z430 (Toshiba TG01): 22 M triangles/s, 133 M pixels/s
PowerVR SGX 535 (iPhone 3GS): 28 M triangles/s, 400 M pixels/s
Sony PSP: 33 M triangles/s, 664 M pixels/s
PowerVR SGX 540 (TI OMAP4): 35 M triangles/s, 1000 M pixels/s
Nvidia Tegra APX2500 (Zune HD): 40 M triangles/s, 600 M pixels/s
ATI Imageon _ (Qualcomm QSD8672): 80 M triangles/s, >500 M pixels/s
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You can see that the Snapdragon GPU (in the Toshiba TG01) has a similar triangle rate to the iPhone 3GS GPU, but the iPhone is capable of pushing three times as many pixels per second.
The iPhone has a smaller, lower-resolution screen, which means the graphics are arguably less sharp, but run correspondingly much faster than the difference in GPU power might suggest.

HD2 CPU/GPU Query

I have a question regarding the Processor in the HD2, we all know that its a 1GHz Snapdragon but in real terms how does this compare to something like the 600Mhz OMAP processor in the N900?
I read that the N900 also has a GPU to go with the 600MHz processor, how is this different to what the HD2 does?

hmmm
im not sure but the diffrents is in the graphic chip,battary consomption,speed and thats it,iwill wait for the genius friends in the forum

chrism_scotland said:
I have a question regarding the Processor in the HD2, we all know that its a 1GHz Snapdragon but in real terms how does this compare to something like the 600Mhz OMAP processor in the N900?
I read that the N900 also has a GPU to go with the 600MHz processor, how is this different to what the HD2 does?
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Looking at the specs of the GPU which is a PowerVR SGX.
It is an opengl 2.0 compatible GPU and supports many other standards, it basically means it would run a larger array of programs with graphical attributes compared to other devices with just a CPU.
Now the HD2's snapdragon processor also supports OpenGl 2.0 so in theory the additional GPU in the N900 would be redundant if it were put into the HD2's circuitry.
On the other hand due to the fact that the 600MHz OMAP in the N900 doesn’t have support for things like opengl and other it makes a large improvement in performance just like a GPU does in a PC compared with integrated graphics. Personally without any tests I would say the snapdragon would still be faster as long as you were running something like FPU enabler to make sure all the instructions are there and supported by the OS which the N900 wouldn’t be able to support them instructions and would use much slower less efficient instructions.
Also the n900 is running a diffrent OS so it makes it very hard to compare.
for more info on snapdragon opengl support go here
Hope that helps

chrism_scotland said:
I have a question regarding the Processor in the HD2, we all know that its a 1GHz Snapdragon but in real terms how does this compare to something like the 600Mhz OMAP processor in the N900?
I read that the N900 also has a GPU to go with the 600MHz processor, how is this different to what the HD2 does?
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Snapdragon is not just a CPU, it's an entire chipset, including a GPU, wifi, GPS, etc.
The CPU component of Snapdragon is roughly the same speed as the OMAP CPU clock-for-clock, but obviously clocked a lot higher. The GPU is significantly less powerful than the PowerVR chip that is usually paired with OMAP processors (though I haven't actually checked if it's the one included in the N900).

Shasarak said:
The GPU is significantly less powerful than the PowerVR chip that is usually paired with OMAP processors (though I haven't actually checked if it's the one included in the N900).
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The N900 has a SGX 530 GPU which is slower than the 535 in the iPhone 3gs and also slower than the snapdragon's Z430 (It probably has drivers with functional vsync though)

christonabike said:
The N900 has a SGX 530 GPU which is slower than the 535 in the iPhone 3gs and also slower than the snapdragon's Z430 (It probably has drivers with functional vsync though)
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My apologies, should have looked it up.

don't know which z430 you've been using, but I am finding it utter crap.

Nintendo DS: 120,000 triangles/s, 30 M pixels/s
PowerVR MBX-Lite (iPhone 3G): 1 M triangles/s, 100 M pixels/s
Samsung S3C6410 (Omnia II): 4 M triangles/s, 125.6 M pixels/s
ATI Imageon (Qualcomm MSM72xx): 4 M triangles/s, 133 M pixels/s
PowerVR SGX 530 (Palm Pre): 14 M triangles/s, ___ M pixels/s
ATI Imageon Z430 (Toshiba TG01): 22 M triangles/s, 133 M pixels/s
PowerVR SGX 535 (iPhone 3GS): 28 M triangles/s, 400 M pixels/s
Sony PSP: 33 M triangles/s, 664 M pixels/s
PowerVR SGX 540 (TI OMAP4): 35 M triangles/s, 1000 M pixels/s
Nvidia Tegra APX2500 (Zune HD): 40 M triangles/s, 600 M pixels/s
ATI Imageon _ (Qualcomm QSD8672): 80 M triangles/s, >500 M pixels/s
I think it's safe to say that the Snapdragon performs admirably, but the SGX blows it out of the water.

aethelbert said:
Nintendo DS: 120,000 triangles/s, 30 M pixels/s
PowerVR MBX-Lite (iPhone 3G): 1 M triangles/s, 100 M pixels/s
Samsung S3C6410 (Omnia II): 4 M triangles/s, 125.6 M pixels/s
ATI Imageon (Qualcomm MSM72xx): 4 M triangles/s, 133 M pixels/s
PowerVR SGX 530 (Palm Pre): 14 M triangles/s, ___ M pixels/s
ATI Imageon Z430 (Toshiba TG01): 22 M triangles/s, 133 M pixels/s
PowerVR SGX 535 (iPhone 3GS): 28 M triangles/s, 400 M pixels/s
Sony PSP: 33 M triangles/s, 664 M pixels/s
PowerVR SGX 540 (TI OMAP4): 35 M triangles/s, 1000 M pixels/s
Nvidia Tegra APX2500 (Zune HD): 40 M triangles/s, 600 M pixels/s
ATI Imageon _ (Qualcomm QSD8672): 80 M triangles/s, >500 M pixels/s
I think it's safe to say that the Snapdragon performs admirably, but the SGX blows it out of the water.
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most of informations listed here are not true iphone 3gs tests shows only (7million triangles ) samsung omnia 2 (has 9 million triangles not 4 )

hoss_n2 said:
most of informations listed here are not true iphone 3gs tests shows only (7million triangles ) samsung omnia 2 (has 9 million triangles not 4 )
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The 7 million triangles/sec number was based on AnandTech's incorrect guess that the 3GS used a lower-end SGX instead of the SGX 535. Samsung initially specced the Omnia 2's GPU (an in-house project by Samsung) at 9 million triangles/sec but then revised it down to 4 million at launch.
Much more info here (see tables at the bottom in particular):
http://www.techautos.com/2010/03/14/smartphone-processor-guide/

Gt i9500 gpu

The Antutu Benchmark and quadrant standard benchmark test identify the gpu on my galaxy s4 gt i9500 as powervr sgx 544 mp. It should actually be powervr sgx 544 mp3. Is there a fault in my phone. Can anyone help me to identify the gpu correctly?. The phone is original with bill and not rooted. Pls help urgently. Thx.

Nothing's wrong with your phone. Stop trying to be so intrusive about petty details.
PowerVR SGX 544 Mp3 = PowerVR SGX 544 Mp in AnTuTu. The 3 signifies 3 cores in the GPU.
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Nothing's wrong with your phone. Stop trying to be so intrusive about petty details.
PowerVR SGX 544 Mp3 = PowerVR SGX 544 Mp in AnTuTu. The 3 signifies 3 cores in the GPU.
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Thanks for the quick reply. I just wanted to know why the Antutu does not show the 3. The Micromax Canvas HD also has a PowerVr SGX 544 MP and the same is shown by Antutu. I just wanted to know the difference as seen on Antutu or Quadrant apart from the benchmark scores

SGX531 Ultra vs SGX540[Performance Analysis]

SGX531 is a old gpu (create in Oct 2006) but recently a new version of SGX531 come : SGX531 Ultra. Same numbers of units but a big overclock. His frequency is estimated between 400 and 522 Mhz. Compared at the SGX540(Nexus S, Galaxy S base frequency, 200 mhz for memory) it's a huge difference. I know overclocked version of SGX 540 exist.(Galaxy Nexus, Optimus 3D, etc). But the architecture of SGX 531 is exactly the half of architecture of SGX 540. So in theory, if we set the frequency at the exact double of SGX 540, we should get the same results but... the reality is quite different. In fact after many tests, I've comparables results of SGX531 and SGX540. Unfortunately I do not know the exact frequency used by the SGX531. Many news phones(a lot of chineses phones apparently) use this "new" gpu on low cost smartphones. The tests were performed on models with similar configurations. (mono core processor 1 Ghz, 512 mb ram, same resolution 800*480)
Results :
GL Benchmark 2.7 : (Theorical Benchmark)
Triangle throughput Textured C24Z16 Offscreen : SGX531 Ultra 7,866,918 Triangles/sec | SGX540 4,490,935 Triangles/sec 17% Better
Triangle throughput Textured C24Z16 Onscreen : SGX531 Ultra 14,021,563 Triangles/sec | SGX540 11,053,386 Triangles/sec 27% Better
Fillrate C24Z16 Offscreen : SGX531 Ultra 267,150,928 Texels/sec | SGX540 219,676,416 Texels/sec 22% Better
Fillrate C24Z16 Onscreen : SGX531 Ultra 197,397,584 Texels/sec | SGX540 128,086,480 Texels/sec 54% Better
Taiji 3D Benchmark : (Geometry Benchmark)
SGX531 Ultra : 9,21 fps / SGX540 : 11,15 fps 21 % Lesser
Nenamark 2 :
SGX531 Ultra : 23,5 fps / SGX540 26,3 fps 12 % Lesser
We notice the overwhelming superiority of SGX531 Ultra on theoric tests but SGX540 is better in real conditions
With this results i can estimated the frequency of SGX531 Ultra, 522 Mhz is possible. (the fillrate is very dependent of processor, the processor used for the tests of SGX540 is slightly recessed relative to that of SGX531 but is not limited mostly)

Does the Zuk have 64bit processor?

Curious to know and what verison of 801? AB AC or AA?

According to Zuk web page:
"CPU: Qualcomm Snapdragon MSM8974AC"
http://www.zukmobile.cc/zuk-z1-u-touch-4g-lte-dual-sim-mobile-phone.html

According to the review from Android Authority on YouTube it's a 32bit processor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFnBdS5Sn1Q

MSM8974AC
(Snapdragon 801)
28nm LP
4 x Krait 400 2,45 GHz
Qualcomm Adreno 330 578 MHz
Dual-channel 32 bits LPDDR3 1.866
Source: http://www.xataka.com/moviles/qualc...a-de-64-bits-y-8-nucleos-snapdragon-610-y-615

So basically this has a better processor than the Oneplus X! apparently they are using the old AA version.

No 32 bit