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Using a dev phone to access the paid apps marketplace

Can it be done?

emudojo said:
Can it be done?
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No, search next time please =)

Short answer is no with an adp build but if you really want paid apps you can install JFRC33 to get access to them.

I don't know where these guys are coming up with their info. You most definitely CAN access paid market with ADP, IF you have installed the update available at www.htc.com in the support section.
The only requirement is that you have a US or UK sim card installed, I don't think that it is necessary for the card to be active.

not so short answer
Well, people are kind of right about not being able to download paid apps. I have an ADP1 1.1 phone using Three as my provider here in the UK and I see SOME charged apps. BUT apps that the developer 'copy protects' arel not available. (see below for the unfiltered version)
This is a load of cr4p on Google's part because the 'copy protection' is simply installing the app to a protected directory (no encryption, no validation, nothing). As the ADP1 phone has root, we can get easy access to the apk file, and since we are all criminals we will post them to warz sites. Of course the reality is that there are far more rooted G1s out there (that CAN get all forms of paid apps) then there are ADP1s.
But, of course, Google has plausible denyability when it comes to hacked G1s. This is not the case with ADP1s. I suspect that this was a decision from the law department in Google.
The only sure way to get ALL the apps on an ADP1 is to install one of the hacked JesusFreek ROMS or flash it to a stock G1
Here is the official word from the android developers (http://android-developers.blogspot.com/)
"Some developers have asked about the support for copy-protected apps on developer devices, and indeed there is a limitation you should be aware of. Many developers are concerned about the unauthorized redistribution of their applications, so they make use of the copy-protection feature (known as "forward locking") which prevents applications from being copied off devices. However, developer phones like the ADP1 allow for unrestricted access to the device's contents, making it impossible to enforce copy protection. As a result, the Market application on such devices is not able to access copy protected apps, whether they are free or paid. If you choose to add copy protection when you upload your application to the Android Market, then you won't be able to test it on the ADP1's Android Market client. Your application will always be accessible to users who have standard configurations though, and if your application (whether it is free or paid) is not copy-protected it will appear on all devices, including developer configurations."

lbcoder said:
I don't know where these guys are coming up with their info. You most definitely CAN access paid market with ADP, IF you have installed the update available at www.htc.com in the support section.
The only requirement is that you have a US or UK sim card installed, I don't think that it is necessary for the card to be active.
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What update????

Try clicking on the link and going to the support section as I said. THAT update.

I don't see any updates for the G1 under the support section, only FAQ, User Guides, and Tips & Tricks. Do you have a direct link?

http://www.htc.com/www/support/android/adp.html

Thanks for the direct link. I was looking under G1... opps. I want to try and switch over to adp, but wont flashing the updates from the link mean I cant flash to a modded build? Even if I can see protected apps with this update, if I chose to use a Modded image, then I will lose the ability once again right?
Im sorry if im not getting this, but I just want to be on an ADP1.1 build that allows me to see AND purchase all apps... Even protected ones, while still being able to run the scripts and other developments that this community has brought. Will this help me accomplish that???
Sorry in advance

ADP1 incarnation of the Dream and copy protected apps

Newbie disclaimer: I've researched this but I have no practical experience with Android and the Dream. I'm trying not to be irritating but please bear with me if this has been asked a thousand times before (can't find anything useful by searching) or if I've got completely the wrong end of the stick.
I'm considering paying out for an ADP1. I'm concerned to hear that the ADP1 won't access copy-protected stuff on Android Market.
What I would be happy with - and this is my question - is the ability to choose to flash RC33 onto the ADP1 and have access to copy protected stuff, or flash ADP1.5 on and have the dev tools but not be able to access copy protected software.
My concern is that the restriction to Android Market is based on some kind of device identifier (if there is one) rather than based on the firmware running on it. I suppose I'm also asking if mainstream RC33 can be flashed onto an ADP1.
Is this the case? Have I got it all wrong? Is this flamebait? Should I give up and stick to engorging myself on Steve Jobs' manhood instead? Who knows.
Grateful for any help!

It will all work. You can flash almost any build and get paid apps. just look in the development section to get the builds and it will all be fine.
Sources: I did it myself

So just to confirm...
Thanks for your help - I just want to absolutely make sure that you're referring to copy-protected apps and not just paid apps that aren't copy-protected before I shell out. Is this the case?
Really appreciate the information!

synthclarion said:
Thanks for your help - I just want to absolutely make sure that you're referring to copy-protected apps and not just paid apps that aren't copy-protected before I shell out. Is this the case?
Really appreciate the information!
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If you flash a TMo US or TMo US based build then you will for all intents and purposes have a G1, along with all the benefits that entails (copy protected and paid apps from US Android Market). If you flash most any "modified" build like JF1.51 (US, UK, ADP1; doesn't matter) you will also have access to protected and paid apps.
Note that if you are not in the same region as the Android Market you want to access (e.g. you are in UK but you want to access the US store) then you need to use Market Enabler every time after you cold boot the phone, as Market detects what region you are in by reading the GSM properties that are initialized when your phone first boots up.

Courtesy of the two of you I now have a solid answer to my question and can trip and fall over an ADP1 without worrying about copy protection.
Thanks so much!

paid apps in denmark

hello
I can't find it any where so i need to ask, is there any way to get paid apps on my desire, when i can't download paid apps from market ?
Fisken -

I am in Denmark too. I use Marketenabler and so I can fake my provider as T -Mobil (US), and see both paid and free apps.
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i can't install that, is that because i need to root it first ?

Fisken said:
i can't install that, is that because i need to root it first ?
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Yes.
Another easy solution is to use a sim card from another country where paid Android applications is possible. I have tried with an austrian sim card in Denmark without problems. Just download the applications using WiFi.

Unfortunately yes. It needs root privilege.
Sent from my HTC Hero using Tapatalk

There's a third way that requires neither root nor foreign sim. It does require that you install Android SDK on you computer, and it's a bit of a hassle to set up the first time, but once you've done that, you have easy access to paid apps. It's what I used before I rooted, and it worked like a charm.
It's too complicated for me to remember off hand, and I'm a new user so apparently I can't post links, but try googling "paid apps i emulator" or "paid apps i telefonen"; it's the top search result for me. *
(it's in Swedish, but being Danish you should have little difficulties with that; sorry non-Scandinavians - try googling key words... Although we're probably pretty much the only ones left without paid apps in Market by now
* If it doesn't work, let me now, and maybe I'll just post the whole damn thing right here (if I can get the author's permission).

move to USA or something is another solution LOL.
ok I think the safest way for you to do this is buy a sim from a country that has market enabled. Rooting your phone just to be able to buy apps is a bit risky. Installing the SDK might be the cheapest solution tbh. And you just cant brick your pc doing that

I was able to install the SDK, but I failed to grasp how to install market.

vikinguser said:
I was able to install the SDK, but I failed to grasp how to install market.
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Not sure what you mean; you don't "install" Market per se...
Once you've installed SDK on your PC, you create an AVD (Android Virtual Device), which is basically an Android emulator on your PC. In this emulator you can buy whatever you want from Market, and then push (or copy) it to your actual phone.
Are you following a guide? If so, which, and how far have you gotten?
If you understand Swedish, try this (exchange | for / ):
blogg.tthe.se|index.php|other|paid-apps-i-emulator

eham said:
Not sure what you mean; you don't "install" Market per se...
Once you've installed SDK on your PC, you create an AVD (Android Virtual Device), which is basically an Android emulator on your PC. In this emulator you can buy whatever you want from Market, and then push (or copy) it to your actual phone.
Are you following a guide? If so, which, and how far have you gotten?
If you understand Swedish, try this (exchange | for / ):
blogg.tthe.se|index.php|other|paid-apps-i-emulator
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Dear eham, it seems to be a good workaround for me (for I don't wanna risk rooting and dont wanna change to sim card too frequently), just a few questions to ask about the emulator method.
would I still be able to update the paid apps if I download the paid apps through emulator? and will I be able to install it back if I flash my phone?
thx

hongkongtom said:
would I still be able to update the paid apps if I download the paid apps through emulator? and will I be able to install it back if I flash my phone?
thx
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"Dear eham"? why so formal
The answers are yes and yes.
You own the app (it's tied to your google account), so it's yours to update or whatever, but as long as you're unrooted you will have to do it in the emulator (as you can't access the paid app's Market page on your phone), and then push the updated .apk to your phone, replacing the old one. Be sure to add an SD-card to your emulator, and use ASTRO in your emu-phone to backup your apps to it as your emu-phone will have the same ****ty amount of internal memory as your real phone (if it's anything like mine .
And yes. Use ASTRO (or any app backup.. app) to also backup your apps to your real SD and/or your PC, and you can reinstall them whenever you want.

eham said:
"Dear eham"? why so formal
The answers are yes and yes.
You own the app (it's tied to your google account), so it's yours to update or whatever, but as long as you're unrooted you will have to do it in the emulator (as you can't access the paid app's Market page on your phone), and then push the updated .apk to your phone, replacing the old one. Be sure to add an SD-card to your emulator, and use ASTRO in your emu-phone to backup your apps to it as your emu-phone will have the same ****ty amount of internal memory as your real phone (if it's anything like mine .
And yes. Use ASTRO (or any app backup.. app) to also backup your apps to your real SD and/or your PC, and you can reinstall them whenever you want.
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Very well said, Thx mate! I'll go try it out! Really wanna support paid apps! Anyone got an idea when will Google bring paid apps to other countries or Paypal for paid apps? It's non-sense for me in HK to be able to buy N1 though Google checkout and not able to buy paid apps.
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You're welcome
Btw, you don't have paid apps in HK?! That surprised me, I thought for sure you did.
But yeah, I second the question. What's the damn holdup, Google? Anyone got the scoop?
The last I heard (for Sweden) was January 2010. I'm starting to think that's not gonna happen...

i had marketenabler for 2.1 but upgrading to 2.2 stops the program from working unfortunately... =/

eham said:
You're welcome
Btw, you don't have paid apps in HK?! That surprised me, I thought for sure you did.
But yeah, I second the question. What's the damn holdup, Google? Anyone got the scoop?
The last I heard (for Sweden) was January 2010. I'm starting to think that's not gonna happen...
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It didn't only surprised you mate, you shocked me as well when Iphone's app store has already been working in HK since like 2-3 years ago? Man!
well, one more thing to ask, Google had just push out the newest SDK, I am using it for the workaround, but seems it uses 1.6 for the emulator, could I use 2.2 (or at least 2.1) instead so that I could install my apps onto the SD card?
besides, how could I push .apk to my phone? basically how could I find the stuff on SD on my emulator?

Like I said in an earlier post, I went and rooted my phone, so I haven't used the SDK method in a while, and I couldn't really tell you if you could use 2.2 or not. I see no harm in trying, but I'm going to leave the answer up to someone who might know a little better.
But really, why would you? Maybe I'm missing something, but once you've pushed/saved, and backed up, the apps, you don't really need them on the AVD (emu-phone) anymore, so if you're running low on memory just uninstall as needed. You've paid for them, so you can always reinstall from Market if you ever feel the need.
Not entirely sure what mean by the last part. If you mean how do you push the files that you moved to SD using App2SD, I don't know. I don't have 2.2 or A2SD, so again I'm going to have to leave that for someone else to answer. Personally, I probably wouldn't bother with a 2.2 AVD as I see no real benefit, but hey, that's me.
So to reiterate: Use 1.6.

eham said:
Like I said in an earlier post, I went and rooted my phone, so I haven't used the SDK method in a while, and I couldn't really tell you if you could use 2.2 or not. I see no harm in trying, but I'm going to leave the answer up to someone who might know a little better.
But really, why would you? Maybe I'm missing something, but once you've pushed/saved, and backed up, the apps, you don't really need them on the AVD (emu-phone) anymore, so if you're running low on memory just uninstall as needed. You've paid for them, so you can always reinstall from Market if you ever feel the need.
Not entirely sure what mean by the last part. If you mean how do you push the files that you moved to SD using App2SD, I don't know. I don't have 2.2 or A2SD, so again I'm going to have to leave that for someone else to answer. Personally, I probably wouldn't bother with a 2.2 AVD as I see no real benefit, but hey, that's me.
So to reiterate: Use 1.6.
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Dear eham (I really have to be this formal to express my appreciation )
finally got all things sorted out and successfully purchased 1 app and pushed to my phone (automatically through Android market), finally I can show my appreciation to the apps developers!
well, even though I can now get paid apps, being a non-root user with 2.1, I still have to wait for the official Froyo update from HTC to further enjoy apps (my memory is certainly full just after the 2nd day I bought my Desire).
anyway, great great help from xda!

Glad I could help

[Q] Whats the first thing to do after I'll turn on my a500 for the first time?

What you guys did, after you tear down the box and turn on your acer a500 for the first time, excluding language and timezone selection?

Check for update manually

root it

ibila said:
Check for update manually
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What's the easiest way to do this?

ken_sadgit said:
root it
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I don't know what is it, or how they do it, but first I wanna know why they do it. All I heard is root! root! root!

get to know it
Do not root update install 3rd party apps until you know honeycomb and android
Of course root is obviously needed it also puts system files in your hands to mess up.
Please be careful and read all the forums and threads here
Thanks for hearing my 2 cents
If you dont know why you most likely do not need to do so yet
There are a great bunch of people here .take your time and do not jumpinto to deep

If you're not going to root, obviously the first thing is to set your tablet up with your Google account (either an existing GMail account or a new one.) Then set up any other email accounts, and install any apps you know you want that aren't on the tablet already (Kindle/Nook, games, utilities, TweetDeck, Pandora, MoboPlayer, etc.)
Find yourself a good File Manager; Android doesn't come by default with a program to let you view the files on your tablet :| I personally use ES File Explorer, but HD File Manager is also pretty good and was designed for Honeycomb/tablet size displays.
As Erica said above, don't even consider rooting until you've worked with Android a bit. If you don't need the tools root provides, you're better off not doing it.
Rooting your tablet (or other Android device) installs a "SuperUser" application which can allow other apps to act as the owner of the operating system (for Windows user, Administrator level privileges rather than User). In most cases, the method of getting root involves using a device- or Android-version-specific exploit/security hole.
With Root/SU, you can:
Run root-only apps like Titanium Backup, SetCPU (profiles only currently)
Remove and/or replace apps and other files not normally in the "user" space (CAUTION: Acer's update process expects damned near all of the pre-installed apps to still be there, so ALWAYS back up the original files!)
Once the hard-working and never-appreciated-enough Devs figure out a way around the bootloader (or Acer unlocks it), you can replace the kernel files, overclock, replace the entire ROM with a custom one
Some caveats:
Rooting will almost certainly void your warranty (if discovered should you have to return it for warranty service) and if you do it wrong, you can brick your device (i.e. you now have a flat black brick, not a functional device)
Some apps will not work on devices that are rooted (and/or have the SuperUser app present). Currently this includes at a minimum Google Movies and Blockbuster.

DON'T waste you time trying to update. It's been pulled until release fo HC 3.1.
DO enjoy the unit!
DO download apps and play.
Root at your own risk, but HC 3.1 is around the corner and you will have a dificult time getting it if you don't know what your not a techie.
Lastly, put it in Airplane mode before sleep mode to save battery. If you are turning it off, no dif.
Get Astro file mgr - free
Get Weatherbug for HC - free
Get Pandora - free
Load a micro mem card with all you music and videos, and enjoy one of the best devices in production.
If you have a memory card reader, blow you Ipad friends minds by asking them to borrow the memory card in their digital camera, plug it into the USB and swipe through their pictures. They don't have an app for that.

I have had my A500 since last week. I have basically just been trying out apps and browsing Forums to get more info. In the end the forum here seems to be most active and contains the most interesting information.
Also try to google for list with "Optimized for Honeycomb". This will make you fiind the apps that are optimized for the Tablet.
I did not root my device as I dont have any need for it (yet), but I am certainly waiting for 3.1. The current version of honeycomb is a bit unstable.
For the rest just enjoy the tablet

Smile, you just bought a great tablet

So what are you guys saying is that I should not update my build version, and wait for the 3.1 update

Of course first have to buy a screen protector before remove the plastic cover. Apply the screen protector before it get dusted. Then only turn on the device, sign in your Google account and connect internet and do setting. Then go update the firmware.
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So what are you guys saying is that I should not update my build version, and wait for the 3.1 update
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Correct, unless you know what you are doing.

Rooting Nexus 7 - disadvantages (beyond blocked movie rentals)?

I've not got round to trying to root a device yet, and before I root my Nexus 7 in order to access files on USB Flash drives, I'd like to check out a few points please?
I'd heard that Google had previously blocked rooted Android devices from renting movies, eg in Wired and this very forum. Could anyone confirm please if that's still the case, or has Google removed that block since?
Secondly, does anyone know if rooted Android devices are being blocked or restricted in any other way on the Play Store? Eg after rooting, would I still have access to (and be able to re-install) all the apps I'd previously installed from the Play Store, particularly paid apps, would previously-installed apps still show up in my Play account, and would they still be automatically updated? I'd suspect so, & sorry if it may seem obvious, but I want to verify this definitively before rooting.
And what about OS updates, I assume I'd have to do those myself manually thereafter?
Are there any other major disadvantages to rooting please, apart from wiping my existing data and perhaps voiding my warranty? (I'm aware it may be possible to unroot before making any warranty claim - unless of course the fault prevents that!)

I am 99% sure that the root block on movies has now been removed for Google Play Movies
Root does not effect you installing other apps, however certain apps may be root protected i.e. won't work on a rooted device, there are not many of these and most of them you can "hide" root to use.

Lennyuk said:
I am 99% sure that the root block on movies has now been removed for Google Play Movies
Root does not effect you installing other apps, however certain apps may be root protected i.e. won't work on a rooted device, there are not many of these and most of them you can "hide" root to use.
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Cheers Lennyuk.
What about Play Store accounts, hopefully there's no indication of Google detecting rooted devices and disabling accounts or deleting apps from the accounts of people with rooted devices?

I really don't think Google cares. These devices are meant to be a stable platform that you can develop on, so they are going to expect people to root them.

Google don't care about root at all, people that do are usually OEM's (because they like an excuse to void warranty) and certain app makers like bskyb (they quote security reasons but deep down they just don't really understand root and are fearful of piracy)

Lennyuk said:
Google don't care about root at all, people that do are usually OEM's (because they like an excuse to void warranty) and certain app makers like bskyb (they quote security reasons but deep down they just don't really understand root and are fearful of piracy)
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Great, thanks very much Lennyuk and pjohnson87. After the movie rental blocking, I thought I ought to check if any other restrictions had been imposed by Google, whether under pressure from app makers or for some other reason.
As long as I don't lose the ability to (re-)install paid apps from the Play Store, that's the main thing I'm concerned about!