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So this documents my sad experience with XDA's culminating in a regreful decision NOT to buy the HTC Advantage.
I have bought 3 generations of past HTC based XDAs including the Wallaby, Andes and Universal.
Primarily I need a phone and a PDA in a single unit with the promise of also using it as a media player in situations where I'm without my laptop or subnote.
The fastest media player that I have used always seemed to be the TCPMP player but this was too slow to play conventional DIVX .avi or other FULL SIZE movie streams.
I dont have the time to constantly convert movies from standard 700 MB .avi format to PPC pixel size. But the Universal was simply NOT fast enough to play the uncoverted movies. (Plus the Universal has some issues when it comes to slooowly receiving and making calls .. another story)
As a standby measure I use a Fujistu Loox N560 (and Nokia 7380 combo), with a 624Mhz Xscale processor. Wiith TCPMP IT IS fast enough to play movies on its VGA screen without really any noticable skipping.
This was a temporary measure until HTC could produce a phone PDA combo that I could again use as a do-it-all device.
BUT after much monitoring xda-developers I conclude that the HTC advantage with all its other features will not do this job. I really really wanted the Advantage to work for me but post after post have indicated that it just cant cut it for displaying videos.
How difficult can it be to produce a device and software that can do this! Like I say, I dont want to spend all my waking hours converting .avi files from one format to each other, just to play the regular 700MB / 2hour standard .divx file.
The x7500 is a phone and a PDA, not a video player. Yes, it can play Videos and movies, but they need to be converted as you already stated.
So if you want to watch videos in their native format, why would you think a phone would work as a video player.
Why not just go buy a mini-video player...And if you already knew the answer and you don't want to convert to a format that can be played on a PDA......
Why did you waste our and your time explaining the obvious!
I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that the HTC Athena, with it's dedicated ATI graphics chip, might have a chance to play the same videos he's able to play on the Loox (another PPC device that uses the same 624Mhz Xscale processor).
Hopefully either the CoreCodec folks will be able to work around the buggy ATI drivers driving the Athena, or we won't have to wait long until someone releases a device with better a dedicated GPU.
i see ur point...i have converted many videos and most took no more than 15-20 mins max. but thats due to my core 2x duo processor.hopefully we see some software upgrades to solve this.
mmh,... I do not really see the point you mentioned.
The TCPMP is not able to use the Ati drivers but with the RawFramebuffer and DIVX (XVID) converted movies it runs brilliant.
I also convert DVDs to approx. 600 video and 128 audio @ res of 640x480. with this I will come up
with about 500-600 MB per movie. Excellent quality and no lags...
And what is your exact problem with converting.... Du you want to
but a DVD content auf 4GB on your MD ? uncoverted movies on a mobile
device makes no sense... or didnt I get the point here ?
Definitly I can not confirm your statement mentioned. Also standard divx movies at 700MB CD size will run like a charm.
But now some experience from my side:
I used the SPB Mobile DVD to convert files directly from DVD... a big mess... audio/video goes out of sync and if paused the whole movie
become laggy. 5-10FPS .... I was searching the Inet and also XDA Devs for this problem...
At the end I had to find out the SPB Mobile DVD converting program is SH** !!!!
Now I use Pocket-DVD Studio... converting with the newest XVID drivers. Excellent performance as mentined before...
So maybe this is your problem... give try to another converter and see what happens. (Use one with not installed codecs... use one where you can make
setting and use the system installed codecs)
So from my side: The Athena is a good mobile movie player (with TCPMP)... my opinion
errr...
Hiya people,
I must say that this is a bit confusing to me. I use the ATI driver on my Ameo (advantage) with TCMP as long as you dont use the hardware acceleration it works perfectly. There are many threads regarding this subject.
All in all, any 700-800 MB movie that I err......come accross and copy directly to my Ameo plays perfectly for me. Xvid or Divx.....
I dont do any conversions or anything. I just download and play.
Maybe I get the odd frame skipped here and there but its not an issue for me. I watch many action films...no problemo.......all standard 700 mb+ Avi files....I have Simpsons amd Resi Evil extinction on my Microdrive now...both 700MB plus..
Example my copy of RE:E 717 MB
MPEG4 Vid
608 by 256
25 FPS
After 2000 frames, I had dropped 42...
Lol maybe I am just not fussy and this is a nuisance to everyone else. I have not found an AVI that I have been unable to watch yet....
Then again, I used to watch 160 X 120 movies on my HTC Voyager using Pocket DIVX encoder which really really sucked and I thought it was cool.
I can also confirm that no convertion is needed, I have a lot of convertions which are over 2gigs, I watch these on my pc, but have watched them on my Ameo.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=308952
amouses said:
So this documents my sad experience with XDA's culminating in a regreful decision NOT to buy the HTC Advantage.
I have bought 3 generations of past HTC based XDAs including the Wallaby, Andes and Universal.
Primarily I need a phone and a PDA in a single unit with the promise of also using it as a media player in situations where I'm without my laptop or subnote.
The fastest media player that I have used always seemed to be the TCPMP player but this was too slow to play conventional DIVX .avi or other FULL SIZE movie streams.
I dont have the time to constantly convert movies from standard 700 MB .avi format to PPC pixel size. But the Universal was simply NOT fast enough to play the uncoverted movies. (Plus the Universal has some issues when it comes to slooowly receiving and making calls .. another story)
As a standby measure I use a Fujistu Loox N560 (and Nokia 7380 combo), with a 624Mhz Xscale processor. Wiith TCPMP IT IS fast enough to play movies on its VGA screen without really any noticable skipping.
This was a temporary measure until HTC could produce a phone PDA combo that I could again use as a do-it-all device.
BUT after much monitoring xda-developers I conclude that the HTC advantage with all its other features will not do this job. I really really wanted the Advantage to work for me but post after post have indicated that it just cant cut it for displaying videos.
How difficult can it be to produce a device and software that can do this! Like I say, I dont want to spend all my waking hours converting .avi files from one format to each other, just to play the regular 700MB / 2hour standard .divx file.
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i play "regular" 700 mb avi file on my uni without any lag.
what u smoking
dude what are u smoking video on the advantage is freaking sweeet. plus if u install projet athena 3 on it, the thing is a marvel of design and technology. they guys that made project athena put so much into it. infact i dont even need to use my hardware keyboard anymore. the teksoft keyboard works even better than the hardware one. but i digress, the tcpmp that is includded on the project athena uses the ati graphic card. i have never seen better video even better than the psp. no need to convert. i use full videos no conversion at all.
why on earth does the g1 not capture video?
???? street view.. yes? video capture..no?? wtf
There will be a 3rd party program within a week that can record video. Jailbroken iPhones do it, the G1 is completely open... No worries.
g1 recording video
I think ( *think* ) the reason is that qualcom and broadcom are in a legal dispute over some aspects of H.264 encoding in hardware and until till that is cleared up, no "official" recording apps will be made.
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I think ( *think* ) the reason is that qualcom and broadcom are in a legal dispute over some aspects of H.264 encoding in hardware and until till that is cleared up, no "official" recording apps will be made.
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Yeah, I never said official. I just know there are plenty of people out there who want it, so developers will throw a program together in no time.
G1 Video File Formats...?
I have a trip coming up, with lots of airport connections/layovers. I used to convert video files and copy them to microSD cards for playback in my WinMo device. Will I be able to do this on my G1? What, if any, file formats will it support?
From what I can read, it plays videos with a YouTube player; can I somehow use that...?
youtube's format is flv you can try to convert to that
other then that it support whatever formats people develop
players to support
Does the g1 support video output?
Well...does it? It would be very convenient if it did. :-D
the G1 does not have video out at this time.
well duh....i was thinking more along the lines of the hardware. the chipset has to be able to output video using the ext-usb cable thing...
only way is over tcp/ip. But there are no apps for that yet.
it could be like a vnc server or video streaming.
but how would it be convenient?
Every attempt i have had at playing a video ends up in the same scenario....
My video will play for 3-4 second then begin to lag out and then i get a error saying sorry this video cannot be played.
no one has any advice?
Anyone having the same issues?
try encoding you videos using the instructions posted in this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=441063
works perfect for me.
will this be required for every single video on my g1?
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will this be required for every single video on my g1?
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unfortunately yeah for know until there is an update that supports other video formats i know it kinda sux
but the encoder found in that thread is pretty fast depending on the length of the video. also most mobile sites that stream 3gp vids work on the g1
What sucks is handango has a video player and converter for sale for the g1. I was all set to buy it but i tried downloading free trial and it says it is not intended for this device, DENIED!!!!
I have like 7 movies including the dark knight all run on mp4 and run great with video player from the market
benjimen said:
I have a trip coming up, with lots of airport connections/layovers. I used to convert video files and copy them to microSD cards for playback in my WinMo device. Will I be able to do this on my G1? What, if any, file formats will it support?
From what I can read, it plays videos with a YouTube player; can I somehow use that...?
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you can go to WAREZ SITES ARE NOT ALLOWED and search for "iPod" and filter by video
all those videos that show up should play on the G1 using Cinema or other Video Players. This is NOT legal however and NO ONE SHOULD DO IT and I AM NOT ENDORSING OR RECOMMENDING IT. There is no Divx player that I know of and there may not ever be as playing mp4 and h.264 is extremely simple but Divx/xvid will need software decoding.
The battery in the G1 is MUCH MUCH less than your old WinMo, the battery is physically 1/3 of the size so expect 2 hours of video from disconnecting from the charger. May be more on plane mode and lower screen brightness, BT, Wifi, GPS all off.
The G1 has always had audio and video codecs for playing MP4 vids, put Google did not create a player interface to use it.
The three apps on the market now are interfaces that should have been in the player in the first place.
Mega lame times infinity squared.
This is the app that I use to convert my dvd's,it works like a charm,I recommend mp4/h624 and 320x176,it'll be around 250/300mgs which is nice for a G1 screen...of course it could be 500 or 700mgs and the quiality will be better.
www.dvdfab.com
I just got an Advantage x7510, and am absolutely thrilled to bits with it - beautiful screen, something you can do something with, like the Psions of old!!!
I would like to watch some DVD's on it, but being completely new to ripping etc. don't know what format to rip to, what size and so on. I tried to rip a 30 minute DVD to .wmv, but was appalled at the slowness thru the native Windows Media app. Someone suggested I get Coreplayer, which is better, but I think I need a steer on how to do the ripping for the best. What would show best, with best lip-sync and fewest dropped frames, and acceptable quality?
Can someone point me in the right direction? Your help would be much appreciated.
thanks
rjstep3
AVI is the best with Smart Movie
I tested almost media softwares for video in my X7501, and i found sth here.
BAD video players:
- Core player
- Windows media player (worst)
- TCPMP
And all of them got the same issue: flash screen and not smooth.
Then I try Smart Movie, WOW, i can watch movie in my X7501 as a champ.
And u only need software to convert to AVI file
DOESN't MAtter what size of the frame and file, it works perfectly.
( I watch Jackie Chan movie with the file is about 400mb, nothing wrong, so nice)
enjoy
thanks for the suggestion vqscorpions, I have just downloaded a trial.
One point straightaway is that I don't like the look of their licensing - it seems to be one licence per device, whereas I use several devices, not of course simultaneously, and like to load my software on to all of them, to use when I have that particular device with me.
However, if the software works, I may just have to swallow my pride and fork out for it.
thanks again for your time
rjstep3
i have the full file with license and also the converter for Smart movie.
if u like it, i will upload here
enjoy
PS: I just have Crystal softcase for Athena. cheer
Excellent. I'de like to give it a try.
I have found that nothing works, not Lonely Cats or anything else. the lip sync is awful, the video jerky and generally not a pleasant experience.
What I take from this is that Windows Mobile is basically not a video media friendly OS - works fine with audio, not with video. For that I think you need a dedicated laptop/gadget.
rjstep3
i really feel curious that yr x7510 can not work with it.
actually it has the same hardwares but may be it uses another OS.
however, which version of Smart movie u use? which converter software u use? and how about the settings for the file
(to be honest, the movie that i use usually is more than 300mb and Smart movie works well)
I have tried the most basic settings, but it depends on what you mean by acceptable. I expect decent image, good soound, no skips at all, and perfect lipsync. On no WM device can I get this, but if I am prepared to compromise, then I concede that the Touch HD can deliver nearly to my exacting standards.
My conclusion is that, if I really want video on the go, watch it on laptop - better/larger image, near perfect rendering. use the WM gadget for audio only.
rjstep3
ok well im slowly getting to grips with my touch, now obviously it comes with windows media player, i have also installed core player.
on my pc i have total video convertor and pocket divx convertor. which program should i be using to convert various avi's that i have to get the best quality, what format should i be converting into, and what program should i be using on my touch to watch them, iv had a few attempts and everything i convert seems to come out rather jumpy etc and just not good to watch.
thankyou.
Please use the search function or atleast google. This has been addressed many times over. In fact, it's been discussed so much that several great xda members have even made various programs/applications which will convert whatever input to an output which performs best on the HD. Most of these are in the Applications part of the Blackstone forum.
In a nutshell, the built in TF3D player is the best way to go since it's the only player which uses hardware acceleration and will give best results when playing mp4.
sincere apologies, i was just being lazy
will search now and delete core player lol
Hello pugme
Go here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=467112 and download this free video converter it’s the best one out there. The Touch HD has its own player and the quality of these 2 apps together is superb. If you put the converted films on to your sd card in a folder called films or what ever you want then start/programs/album/albums/storage card/films then select to play or add albums to your programs short cut.
Quality when watching is like half hd
use Duttys ROM with coreplayer i can play pretty much anything i want without jumping, dont get me wrong the converting programs on here are very good but why convert if you dont have too!
What program is used to play the Transformer movies? It does not have much options like CorePlayer but it did a good job of playing the Transformer movies.
Also, if I want to use it to play other movies that I encode using this same player, where do I put these new movies. Do I put it in the folder called "Transformers" in the SD card? But then how do the Transformer movies have their own icon? Still trying to figure this out.
It's the HTC video player, which is basically a reskinned Windows Media Player.
The Transformers icon is there because the TMoUS HD2 ships with a launcher app (which is basically just a list of two links, tapping on them opens the file).
The launcher app is not customizable, though it should be pretty trivial to build something similar.
Which would be a better player? The default one on the HD2 or CorePlayer (the latest version). I know that CorePlayer is not free but I just like to know which one performs better. CorePlayer can play .mkv files so that is a good advantage.
The HTC player (WMP) works well for some file types. I have CorePlayer installed for any odd media types, but the UI is pretty poor. Also give TCPMP a shot (it's the evolution of the open-source predecessor of CorePlayer, and now it has a new touch-friendly UI too).
Though to be honest I've personally sort of given up on high-quality video playback on the HD2-- the performance is just so inconsistent. Even the Transformers movies it comes with (which I've since transferred to my Class 6 16GB MicroSD) don't always play smoothly and sometimes stutter or slow down when I'm demoing them, so the only safe settings are lower quality, at which point it becomes useless because I don't have time to transcode videos (that's partially the point of having such a powerful processor, but it seems WM can drag down even a 1 GHz Snapdragon).
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The HTC player (WMP) works well for some file types. I have CorePlayer installed for any odd media types, but the UI is pretty poor. Also give TCPMP a shot (it's the evolution of the open-source predecessor of CorePlayer, and now it has a new touch-friendly UI too).
Though to be honest I've personally sort of given up on high-quality video playback on the HD2-- the performance is just so inconsistent. Even the Transformers movies it comes with (which I've since transferred to my Class 6 16GB MicroSD) don't always play smoothly and often stutter or slow down when I'm demoing them, so the only safe settings are lower quality, at which point it becomes useless because I don't have time to transcode videos (that's partially the point of having such a powerful processor, but it seems WM can drag down even a 1 GHz Snapdragon).
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hmmmmm.... i dont know but transformers plays very smoothe on my hd2 and also i recommend latest TCPMP with custom setup.i also convert dvds to mp4 in my pc then sync it to my hd2 and it plays on windows mobile player and and TCPMP,but doesnt play well on my coreplayer though.
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hmmmmm.... i dont know but transformers plays very smoothe on my hd2 and also i recommend latest TCPMP with custom setup.i also convert dvds to mp4 in my pc then sync it to my hd2 and it plays on windows mobile player and and TCPMP,but doesnt play well on my coreplayer though.
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They generally work fine if I soft-reset and make sure Wifi, etc. are off and nothing else is running, but otherwise in normal operation, where I might have email open and 3G + Wifi enabled in the background, I often get less than perfect playback. Usually still watchable, but hardly impressive (and definitely not something I'd show to iPhone 3GS-toting friends, who instantly notice the frame drops and such).
amb9800 said:
It's the HTC video player, which is basically a reskinned Windows Media Player.
The Transformers icon is there because the TMoUS HD2 ships with a launcher app (which is basically just a list of two links, tapping on them opens the file).
The launcher app is not customizable, though it should be pretty trivial to build something similar.
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The HTC Streaming Media Player is not a skinned WMP. Its specifically developed by HTC to take advantage of the hardware acceleration for MP4 files with the Snapdragon processor. The video performance is far superior to Coreplayer or WMP.
You can convert your video files to take advantage of this hardware acceleration by using Touch HD Encoder (search
i recently synced mp4 movies to the "transformers file" and it plays as the same high quality as the transformers does.
GHOST99K said:
i recently synced mp4 movies to the "transformers file" and it plays as the same high quality as the transformers does.
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It's pretty clear (to me, at least) that the native Video Player is the best player between the 3.
Video Player plays very limited file types, which is a minus. re-encoding video files to MP4 takes long time, and file size goes up, if you want to keep the same 'high-quality' video.
CorePlayer does a great job playing various file types, so it's easier to view movies, that's for sure.
being a video editor by trade, i have no problem re-encoding video prior to transferring media to my phone as i have the hardware and software to do so painlessly. starting from a high quality/high resolution video file and encoding down to an mp4 correctly yields in smaller filesize while retaining amazing quality. i've recently encoded a full 1080p 25min video (which started at 4gb) down to an HTC Video Player friendly video that was a hair over 300mb...with nearly no difference in quality. it plays perfectly in the native player...no problems whatsoever. i've considered doing a write up for the boards and may do so if i have time, but if you have any questions, fire away.
Transformers movies path
Hi, can someone write the exact path of the Transformers path in the SD card, so the application luncher can find them.
Thanks in advance
CorePlayer
fnuna said:
Hi, can someone write the exact path of the Transformers path in the SD card, so the application luncher can find them.
Thanks in advance
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Just make a folder named 'Transformers' on your memory card, install the files to it and it will find it.
Transformers looks wonderful, but converting is such a chore with getting all the settings right and such. Of course, I would want the exact conversion process that was used on Transformers. Coreplayer is the best for me. No converting, just play and the quality is very high. Plus, best music player and streams Youtube videos. It's the only app I've paid nearly $30.00 for and would do it again. I must have it.
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being a video editor by trade, i have no problem re-encoding video prior to transferring media to my phone as i have the hardware and software to do so painlessly. starting from a high quality/high resolution video file and encoding down to an mp4 correctly yields in smaller filesize while retaining amazing quality. i've recently encoded a full 1080p 25min video (which started at 4gb) down to an HTC Video Player friendly video that was a hair over 300mb...with nearly no difference in quality. it plays perfectly in the native player...no problems whatsoever. i've considered doing a write up for the boards and may do so if i have time, but if you have any questions, fire away.
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Yes I would love to see a write up, the prob Im having is I have been trying different programs & settings for burning my dvd's to my phone and none have looked as good as the Transformers movies. Any insight would be appreciated