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Hey everyone,
I've decided to start a post on this cuz i haven't been about to find much on this recently released phone from telus (a canadian carrier). I currently have an HTC TyTN. However, the touchscreen is completely dead. Since this phone isn't sold by any canadian carriers, it's virtually impossible to get it repaired let alone replaced.
I've recently come across the Telus HTC P4000 which was officially launced by telus in april. I noticed the specs are very similar to that of the TyTN except for the following:
-A CDMA phone without a sim card slot.
-256 mb rom vs 128 mb rom
-64 mb sdram vs 64 mb ram? (**i dunno if the hermes ram is SD)
-a QUALCOMM MSM7500, 384 MHz CPU vs a Samsung 400 MHz CPU.
I'm thinking of selling my X01HT and signing up with telus and grabbing that phone. I could really use some feedback on this idea from my fellow Hermes owners. And could use some help measuring the pros and cons.
So far the major CON of going to this phone would be that it's slightly slower and looks to have ZERO upgradability in terms of OS, RADIO, or any type of rom flashing. Meaning no sweet WM6 upgrades from custel or jasjamming or any of the other cool chefs...
Here are some links:
http://www.telusmobility.com/content/clientcare/pcs_east/guides/htc_p4000/htc_p4000.pdf
-user manual (specs can be found here as well)
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/04/17/the-htc-p4000-for-telus-in-the-flesh/
-engadgetmobile article on this phone
Any feedback or thoughts would be great. Thanks guys...
I din't know how much money you want to spend, but expansys do a good range of phones - including the dopod 838 pro (http://www.expansys.ca/)
I think most of these are phone only, without contract etc but I'm sure you can shop around for something with a contract.
Personally for my style of useage I'd spend out on one of the Hermes varieties.
You could also try ebay - maybe pick up a bargain 8525 or an old hermes to repair yours with.
Good luck
I just bought 2 HTC P4000 for some of our work phones. One has been activated so far, and it is working great. It is allot slimmer than the PPC-6700, which I had last year. I am a newbie when it comes to upgrading these things or doing hacks etc, but I am quite happy with the phone so far. If you have any specific questions please feel free to ask me and I will try to answer them for you.
thanks guys,
I passed by a telus store today to check it out. The lady was nice enough to take a brand new phone out of its box and run it for me. I got to play around with it for a while and here are my impressions which are mostly positive:
-the slid out keyboard seems to have some kind of power assist feature (not exactly but you know what i mean, think hiptop) which makes it pretty cool and easier to slid out as oppose to having to manually push up the screen till you hear it lock into place (X01HT)
-The HTC P4000 is virtually the same size except just as twelveca stated, it is slightly thinner.
-same white default htc bootscreen + a telus logo screen and wm5 setup. I doubt the possibility of any kind of upgrade unless there are some crazy chefs out there that get their hands on this phone.
-has FN and CAPS lights just like a computer keyboard!
-black keyboard, dark gray screen housing, and a bumpy pattern on the back for added grip.
-I checked out the device info screen and to my surprise, it said it has a !400! MHz CPU as oppose to the 384 MHz stated in the specs. 64 MB RAM, 256 MB Onboard Flash memory confirmed.
-From the few minutes playing with it, it seems to perform at the same level (if not better) as the HERMES.
-Doesn't show any signs of screen alignment problems.
-EVDO High speed wireless capable.
There ya have it, looks like i'm leaning towards buying it. Just have to get over the idea that i won't be able to upgrade roms (for now at least) or use sim cards...But other than that, it seems like a great phone.
Oh i just found a link to a "Complete" review of the P4000 on HF
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1153541
It includes points i forgot to mention as well as ones i didn't even know of...
Here are some of them (note these are compared to the ut starcom 6700):
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-dual core processor??
- REV A compatible (with software upgrade which Telus has officially announce they will do)
-more buttons on face and sides
-better one-handedoperation
-bigger battery
-better battery life
-better brighter screen
-better 2mp camera with improved software and settings
-AKU 3.3 which brings with it A2DP among other things
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P4000
Just recently picked one of these up and have had a couple of days to play with it. I upgraded from an Imate PPC (original 2003 edition) and could not be happier.
This is a rock solid PPC, only wish my GPS hardware was compatable, sigh.
I was a little unsure of Telus but after my fiascos with Rogers, i dont expect them to give me half the grief.
cool, i'll be picking one up probably some time next week...just gotta figure out how i'm gunna cancel my plan with fido and transfer the number over...
...maybe we can start a new forum for this phone when more people have it...
Who that knows as to unlock Telus or P4000 ?
HTC TYTN
ji1386, how much do you want for your broken TYTN?
TYTN
ji1386, if you want to sell your broken TYTN, I could use it for parts if unable to fix it. Send me a PM with your offer. Thanks
I have this phone basically since it came out from Telus, and I must say I am quite enjoyikng it. Best Pocket PC phone out, IMO.
This phone is upgradeable to Windows Mobile 6.....however, there is no confirmed release date on when this will be. Also, checking the HTC site will most likely get you nowhere as Telus will need to configure this upgrade to have Telus aspects on there, for instance, The Telsus bootscreen, the today themes, etc.
GPS in HTC P4000
The GPS in this phone someone post what u gotta do to get GPS working on this phone in Stand Alone GPS Mode with No A-GPS.
Since I bought my Polaris, a decision between Polaris vs Kaiser based on form factor more than anything and the fact that I didnt think the keyboard was that necessary, I've noticed that the Kaiser seems to be more highly regarded than the Polaris,
Maybe its me, but isnt the Polaris similar specs to the Kaiser???
I also dont understand why the 3D issue seems to be addressed on the Kaiser but not the Polaris - is there different hardware involved?
The Kaiser was here before the Polaris, so this issue was here bevor the Polaris.
But i can't understand why a such thick and ugly device can have so many buyers.
Borizli said:
The Kaiser was here before the Polaris, so this issue was here bevor the Polaris.
But i can't understand why a such thick and ugly device can have so many buyers.
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the keypad is what a lot is users want.
Its cheap with contract, my friend got it for $60 bucks, its well featured for a phone, and keyboard is great for text-ers, plus this phone use commonly along with the wing and blackberrys as a buissness phone. While the polaris is to me niche market phone since its marketing aspect is a eye pleasing form factor and gps. Plus intially at launch it was around $700 USD so it didnt garner much attention compared to the tilt which was subsidized through AT&T and other carriers.
See I was reading this thread: Polaris vs Kaiser
and granted it was in the Polaris forum (!) so it probably had more polaris owners, but the general consensus seems to be its a matter of choice (keyboard vs smaller form factor) but most users seem to agree the Polaris was a better choice mostly i think because of its touchflo performance which I've read in a number of threads, that its a bit of an after-thought on the kaiser and poorly implemented.
But then there's the issue of the 3D drivers which seem to work on the Kaiser but not on the Polaris...
The real reson it's so much more popular is because of AT&T in the United States.
Being that AT&T is the largest mobile provider in the United States they have pushed the AT&T Tilt aka Kaiser. The AT&T Tilt (Kaiser) has been very affordable per say in the United States, which is why it's so popular with US customers.
Around the world the Kaiser is sold by every major mobile provider. Also making it more popular.
The only way for me to buy a Polaris in the United States is to buy one without a contract which would be far more expensive then buying a Kaiser with a contract.
So the reason it's so popular is because of how much supply and availability there is and the price with a contract from a mobile provider.
Well I suppose thats a pretty clear answer - so thank you alltheway
So ARE there any spec differences between the two (minus keyboard of course) and if not why wont the htc class action 3D drivers work? I read on the kaiser forum that the Polaris is missing a .dll file but surely that should not be too much of a problem? or am I thinking too simplistically?
HTC said in an official report that the slow 3d performance is more than just a missing DLL file, which I personally think is bogus, because all they have to do is bridge the gap between MS's Direct3D/OpenGL and the hardware. They claim they'd have to do more software development than its worth, so they're not pressing forward in that area, but they are releasing 3D performance fixes now, and one ROM cook, udK, is baking that solution into his next ROM release for the Polaris.
So officially there is a solution out there for the Polaris?
Hey there.I am really interested in thid brand.I,d really like to have one.But I dont know much abouy its price.plz help me.and also i want to know about the life of its battery.Is it cool?or like diamond?
what diamond not good ?
The HD is sold at around 650 Euro in Belgium I heard.
+ 1000 USD - approx 28-29.000 Taiwan Dollar - 7.500 Hong Kong Dollar.
Not taken in account conversion rate but price index of last HTC devices sold around here in Asia.
You can see loads of info related to Prices, locations, release dates etc in the BlackStone vendor wiki http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blackstone_Vendors
If anyone knows more dates and prices say it here
the life of its bbattery is not very good.it dies as soon as possible.and also the body of the cellphone gets dirty soon.
tanx 4 your replies all.keep smiling
Anonymous6372 said:
the life of its bbattery is not very good.it dies as soon as possible.and also the body if he cellphone gets dirty soon.
tanx 4 your replies all
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It seems odd that you would say this while like nobody on the planet owns a final version yet. Second, neither the casing nor the battery are equal to that of the Diamond.
Differences: Diamond has a 900MAh battery and the HD has 1350MAh which is equal to that of the Raphael. This gives you 50% more power and according to the specifications this indeed results in the added 50% which I almost agree with. Almost being that the processor and radios are the same as on the Diamond so should consume the same amount of power and that would make 50% increase accurate. However the screen is so much bigger that I doubt it, I expect nothing more than an increase of 35% - 40% and still that's welcome.
Now that my Diamond is configured properly and has the latest software, battery consumption is much lighter and I can easily last a day and a half with it, using regular mailing, some internet and some calling. When only calling, it lasts me two days. Turning it off during the night ups it to three days. A 50% bigger battery would make it last over 4 days in that manner, let's say 2.5 at heavier usage.
Second difference is the back of the unit, which is mostly matte and not glossy, making it much less fingerprint prone (only the front side needs to be polished all the time lol). IPhone and many other touch phones get dirty just as easily. What do you prefer? A matte screen would look worse and scratch much easier because it has a texture.
Looks like avg pricing in the Netherlands will be around 570 euros, which is nice Somehow the Raphael sells for over 600 everywhere in the NL...
In Mexico it will cost $1,400US!!!!!! and it will arrive till next year........
I am sure not buying here.......I asked a friend travelling to London to bring me one cheaper.
If only HD can have a keyboard!!!!
$1400 us?! wow... Tough bargain I just updated the Centralpoint release date as it keeps being pushed (29 oct now contrary to the 21 oct initially), probably to trick people into preordering from them. I guess they won't ship before the first week of November either, like the other NL shops.
Is there any seller in Usa for this phone
thxs
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Is there any seller in Usa for this phone
thxs
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Check here:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blackstone_Vendors
the blackstone is at 649,96 € on this french website : rueducommerce.fr/
it's not so expansive when you compare to the price of Xperia (780€)
orb3000 said:
If only HD can have a keyboard!!!!
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just what I thought, this device is absolutely perfect, will be the next Kaiser / Polaris (I think in terms of popularity they´re comparable).
If HTC just released a keyboard version as well...although, there´s the Touch Pro. And imagine, Touch Pro even bigger and heavier, wouldn´t even fit into my pockets *loool*
In Germany it will cost 619,- euros on Amazon.de
http://www.amazon.de/HTC-Blackstone...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=ce-de&qid=1223587885&sr=8-1
I sent my Touch Pro back, if I get my money back I will buy this one
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just what I thought, this device is absolutely perfect, will be the next Kaiser / Polaris (I think in terms of popularity they´re comparable).
If HTC just released a keyboard version as well...although, there´s the Touch Pro. And imagine, Touch Pro even bigger and heavier, wouldn´t even fit into my pockets *loool*
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hahaha LOL
For me using a beautifull/solid/big brick Universal won`t be a problem!
Hope HD w/key can be a reality!
P.d. By the way, Uni fit on my back pocket
I got a Diamond and on that I could really like a keyboard, the additional RAM/SD card slot/etcetera but I liked the Diamond form factor so much I went for that. The Diamond however is very small and as such typing on a keyboard is much easier than on the screen.
The HD however, sports such a huge screen that there is much less need for a keyboard. Also, I think the target audience of the HD really differs from that of the Pro, it is much more iPhone-esque than it is a corporate tool.
for the last few weeks I've just been planning on getting it here: http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.php?xProd=1464
£466.98 with US shipping (and tax) included.
what do you guys reckon this is in USD?
i gotta be honest tho, with a device:
being this fast,
having such a large screen,
having such a sharp screen, and
having such a sensitive screen....
so long as I keep using the skin htctoucher and i created for pcmk....i think I can honestly say that I will never even miss a hardware kb for a second.
I had a mogul for a while, then went to vogue (slow, unsensitive, small screen), and i only rarely wish i had a hardware keyboard...
jim256 said:
for the last few weeks I've just been planning on getting it here: http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.php?xProd=1464
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have you or anyone had experience importing RF devices into the states? I know the customs/FCC are very strict on importing such devices. I read somewhere someone (importer or exporter) need to declare the FCC ID on the form, if not the devices gets confiscated (that is, not returned to the sender). I am looking to import touch HD, but don't want to lose 800+ dollars.
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have you or anyone had experience importing RF devices into the states? I know the customs/FCC are very strict on importing such devices. I read somewhere someone (importer or exporter) need to declare the FCC ID on the form, if not the devices gets confiscated (that is, not returned to the sender). I am looking to import touch HD, but don't want to lose 800+ dollars.
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hmmm no i personally have not looked into that, but I guess I will be before putting my order in! thx for the heads up
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have you or anyone had experience importing RF devices into the states? I know the customs/FCC are very strict on importing such devices. I read somewhere someone (importer or exporter) need to declare the FCC ID on the form, if not the devices gets confiscated (that is, not returned to the sender). I am looking to import touch HD, but don't want to lose 800+ dollars.
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The best way to do that is asking a friend travelling to bring it for you, that way you don´t pay any cent.
Importing I´m sure depends of the qty. of devices you bring, if it´s only one, taxes won´t be that much. And US customs have a trusty/esay way of doing things.
Just finished replacing the Lcd touchscreen on my tilt. I bought it from E Bay for $28 shipped. The seller name is bestusstore. It is the OEM touch screen, comes with most the tools you need, and there are great websites around to show assembly/disassembly. Check it out! Though I would share.
Thanks for the tip...although you might be plugging your own store regardless it's good to know that there are numerous retailers stocking replacement parts for our Kaisers.
Not to mention that since the kaiser is now last-gen suppliers charge less for most parts. I'm in the middle of converting my tilt to the full fledged front camera kaiser as well as a few other tweaks for dirt cheap.
I have no desire to change phones due to lowered part costs and these forums keeping it alive!
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I have no desire to change phones due to lowered part costs and these forums keeping it alive!
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Amen -- I thought I would have a touch Pro 2 by now -- but since I now have a stable 6.5 ROM on my Kaiser there's not much reason for me to upgrade, as long as the Kaiser lives
Hello everyone,
I have been using the g2 for many years, probably used around 3 of them, however its hardware is aging and I have moved onto other devices, though I still keep my G2 as a backup phone. I am sure many of you here are die hard qwerty fans like me, and would apprecaite an upgrade, as such I decided to list a few phones that could be upgrades to your g2 below.
Phones I have personally used:
T-Mobile mytouch 4g slide
Specifications
Dev support for this device is pretty much dead, as the last active dev for it spoilt his phone, however there's still a 99% functional cm11(4.4.0) rom for it. This device feels really fast compared to the g2 and it is an overclock monster. Its keyboard doesnt feel as comfortable as the G2's, but it is still decent. You can easily unlock it and use it on any GSM network, it takes a mini sim and supports much higher 3g speed than the g2. It also has a removeable battery and sdcard slot.
Verizon Droid 4
Specifications
It has official cm11 support and an actively developed kernel. It is very fast thanks to its 1gb of ram, apps no longer get killed due to low ram. It has the best keyboard on the market, and once you've used it, there's no going back. It takes a micro sim and you can use it on any GSM network outside the US, with a few exceptions though. Unfortunately its battery is not removeable, however it does come with a sdcard slot and has 8gb internal storage. Used ones are dirt cheap on eBay.
You can choose the Droid 3 if removeable battery is a must for you, everything is the same as the Droid 4 except no ffc and a slower clocked cpu, and no LTE if you're using it on Verizon. It takes a mini sim
Blackberry Q10
Specifications
You are reading it right, yes, Blackberry. First of all, it has the fastest hardware among all the phones here, its OS is pretty much stock android with an overlay, and you can install just about any android app directly onto it (play store doesnt't work, so only sideload), so essentially it can be classifed as an android phone. It has a really good keyboard which is expected of a Blackberry, removeable battery and sdcard slot. If you want LTE you can just get the variant which works with your carrier's frequency.
Phone which I have not used myself
T-Mobile LG Optimus F3Q
Specifications
I can't comment much on this phone as I have not used it myself, it is currently only available through T-Mobile. It has the largest battery among all the phones here. As at the time of this post, it does not have a forum on xda, however, someone has managed to root this phone already (with a few hicups), you can read more about it here
I hope you guys will find this guide useful, it shall serve as my contribution to this forum as being on it for so long.
I didn't realize you can use the droid4 with most carriers, I take it you must unlock the sim though. Good to know thanks
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T-Mobile MyTouch Q (LG c800)
T-Mobile MyTouch Q (Huawei u8730)
Samsung galaxy s relay 4G
Sony Ericson Xperia Mini Pro
Sony Ericson Xperia Pro
T-Mobile mytouch 3g slide
demkantor said:
I didn't realize you can use the droid4 with most carriers, I take it you must unlock the sim though. Good to know thanks
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You do not need to perform any unlocking as long as your sim is not from a US carrier.
Ah but it is, T-Mobile
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The Motorola Photon Q looks good as well, pretty good development as it has official PacMan and an AOSP ROM. Unfortunately I can't have any of these phones as I'd have to import them from America for lots of money. I'm might just be a traitor and get a non qwerty phone next as long as the screen is so big that typing isn't a problem. It'd be cool to get my hands on a HD2.
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The Motorola Photon Q looks good as well, pretty good development as it has official PacMan and an AOSP ROM. Unfortunately I can't have any of these phones as I'd have to import them from America for lots of money. I'm might just be a traitor and get a non qwerty phone next as long as the screen is so big that typing isn't a problem. It'd be cool to get my hands on a HD2.
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The Photon Q does not have a sim card slot, you'll have to perform a hardware mod and it is quite tedious, however it is dirt cheap. A brand new in box one can be had for less than 90 usd. Personally I would suggest the droid 4 (or droid 3 if you want removable battery), a used one can be had for around 60 usd.
I was also forced to retire my G2 as it no longer charges right nor does it hold it charges even new batteries are being put in, plus it's getting so dangerously hot that I can no longer feel safe using it.
I am happy to say though that the LG Optimus F3Q by T-Mobile is a good replacement for the G2.
It's not the perfect replacement but it is certainly an improvement.
The keyboard layout is not as nice as the G2 as there is only one Caps key on the left instead on both side like on the G2.
The keypress feedback is also not as nice as the keyboard on the G2.
But everything else is almost an improvement. The Android run much smoother with 1gb of ram and the better processor.
However, like the G2, the F3Q is only useable if you root it and have Link2SD running on it plus the 2gb ext2 partition on the SD card as the internal memory is simply not enough for a practical android user.
Yes, for the same price of the F3Q, you can get a much faster phone with much bigger and better screen with double the rams and better looking phone like the Nexus5. That would be my choice of phone to get if I can give up the keyboard.
However if you need a GSM android phone with physical keyboard, the F3Q is really the only choice left for you.
I will be receiving a Droid 4 in a couple of days now. It is super cheap on ebay for a mint condition unit with a clean ESN, charger, battery, and back cover. I already purchased and transferred my number over to a MicroSIM that is currently in its non-punched SIM state, and when the Droid 4 is unlocked and I get SafeStrap running on it, I'll be just popping out the MicroSIM cutout and transferring it over to the new phone. I don't care if it runs the same version as the Desire Z, I just want a bit more ram, because the 384 or whatever is in the Desire Z is just not having it with 4.X ROMS. The 1GB on the Droid 4 should be plenty for testing new roms and whatnot.
Couldn't care less about the screen, to be honest.
The F3Q looks like the one to get because it's a SnapDragon processor, as opposed to an unsupported OMAP, but for the price, I went with the Droid 4, and will be trying that one out. Worst case, I just pop the sim card back into regular SIM punch-out, and tape the back of it so it doesn't move, then transfer it to the Desire Z again.
since the thread was brought back...
I have been looking for a replacement for my Desire-Z (AT&T sim) as well. running CM11 with little problems, but the phone is getting old. And im about out of memory no matter what i punt to SD.
got an XT860 (Droid 3), but its stuck at Android 2.3.4, so that was a no-go
using a Samsung Glide i927 right now.
- downsides:
stuck at Android 4.0.4. using anything else looks like it kills Bluetooth, camera and a few wifi issues.
no spell check/correction when using physical keyboard.
no physical notification lights (email/text/call)
no App to control "permissions" of other Apps (using AVG Tuner on DesireZ does this, need > Android 4.1 to get another App to do same)
that said it works well, but im not so sure I wont go back to desireZ do to stated limitations.
I had hopes the Droid 4 would get cracked for US/ AT&T but i dont see that happening.
a physical keyboard is not critical, but HUGELY important to me. I dont have feeling enough in my fingers most of the time to work the digital keyboard.
I went from the G2 to the Samsung Galaxy Relay 4G. As far as I am aware, it is the best QWERTY option available for T Mobile users.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s-relay-4g
We have our own forum, CM11 milestone release, somewhat working Lollipop ROMs available.
No way. The Droid 4 is a way better phone, specs wise. And after installing Lollipop today, I am a believer. It's the perfect replacement.
Snappy. Pretty good screen. Good Camera. Lots more ram. Accepts 64gb SDCard, and works on virtually all networks.
Safestrap is relatively easy to use, and with the Razr Utility, flashing to 4.1, rooting, and then installing safestrap 3.75 to install a loli rom is super easy.
Annnnnnd the one I got was 50 USD, and it was listed as MINT condition. When I got it, it was exactly as described. MINT. not a scratch on it.
Easily the best G2 replacement.
My only gripe is that the keyboard is a bit more tactile (I liked the subtle desire z keyboard), but it is larger and more roomy. the layout is also different, so it will take some getting used to. but it's waaaay brighter than the DZ keyboard anyways. which is a plus!
I've just realised that none of them is offered by my net provider in Poland.