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Why doesn't HTC make the Android OS available for the Blackstone? They just released the HTC Hero (very cool video as well) here:
http://www.htc.com/europe/product/hero/gallery.html
and the hardware specs are almost identical as the Blackstone -
HTC should make the ROMs available without direct support and let the XDA community keep it going (for those who want away from WinMobile)
I LOVE my Blackstone (especially with Dutty's ROM) but would prefer an Android based device if possible.
Maybe we should petition HTC to let Android loose for the Blackstone device (at least have access to the Hero ROM for porting)
What do you think??
Thx,
R.Fox
rfox said:
Why doesn't HTC make the Android OS available for the Blackstone? They just released the HTC Hero (very cool video as well) here:
http://www.htc.com/europe/product/hero/gallery.html
and the hardware specs are almost identical as the Blackstone -
HTC should make the ROMs available without direct support and let the XDA community keep it going (for those who want away from WinMobile)
I LOVE my Blackstone (especially with Dutty's ROM) but would prefer an Android based device if possible.
Maybe we should petition HTC to let Android loose for the Blackstone device (at least have access to the Hero ROM for porting)
What do you think??
Thx,
R.Fox
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I don't think a petition would make much difference, people will still go out and buy HTC devices, so why should they change?
Also, HTC are aware of sites like XDA and know it would only be a while before a version compatible for the HD was created....so why should they do it?
I'm with you though. I wish the support HTC provided for existing customers equalled Apples who offer free upgrades etc
Android on Touch HD
If the specs of the HD and Hero are so similar, then surely it is possible just to port the OS over, as is? It is Open Source after all. It doesn't need HTC's permission for us to put it there. And as for support, surely the Android community in partnership with XDA-D would be enough?
porting a rom from a device with 3 times as small native res would be some feat
Hello,
first of all, I am new here and must say - really great work here!
Touch HD vs. Hero:
OK the specifications are almost the same, almost! Hero has multitouch, this is a step against Touch HD! Touch HD has the better resolution, if I am not wrong.
Windows against Android (inc. Sens): If I look on the new Hero product tour on htc - great - I want quite clearly Android! However, I am confident that this will be available on Touch HD... sooner or later, official or unofficial!
Android
Rudegar said:
porting a rom from a device with 3 times as small native res would be some feat
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Ah yes, forgot that difference!
Fallen Spartan said:
I don't think a petition would make much difference, people will still go out and buy HTC devices, so why should they change?
Also, HTC are aware of sites like XDA and know it would only be a while before a version compatible for the HD was created....so why should they do it?
I'm with you though. I wish the support HTC provided for existing customers equalled Apples who offer free upgrades etc
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Unfortunately there is a slight flaw with that. The new device creation along with inherent new OS and/or Software allows companies to diversify their wares to a much larger extent than Apple. Whilst Apple, as I agree, manage to keep their users up to date with the latest and greatest they produce, the breadth of what they produce is sadly lacking.
It's a trade off and as anything comes down to money and a business model.
it's not hard to figure why
its a business and about making money
plain and simple
The shipping ROM of the HTC EVO 4G has now been leaked. The RUU_Supersonic_1.32.651.1_Radio_1.39.00.04.26_release_171253.exe file is the official ROM present on the devices that will go on sale on June 4th (and probably originates from one the handsets offered yesterday during Google I/O). You can grab the file here. I guess that the next logical step will be an attempt to port this ROM to the HTC HD2.
http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010/05/21/official-shipping-htc-evo-4g-rom-available-for-download/
I wonder how long it will take......Hopefully not longer than June4th
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I wonder how long it will take......Hopefully not longer than June4th
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My prayers are with your post
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Im sure the awesome modders here in the greatest mobile phone fourm in the UNIVERSE can work their magic
hd2 is watching u!
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plzlordplzlordplzlordplzlord.....
Im sure the awesome modders here in the greatest mobile phone forum in the UNIVERSE can work their magic
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+1 lol. can't wait to see android on this hd2.
I think it is better to wait for froyo if this rom can be installed on the HD2.
this i would love to see
Could someone who knows about the difficulties associated with porting ROMs quickly describe how feasible getting a work of port of android from the EVO 4G over to the HD2 would be?
I imagine the fact that the camera is different would cause problems?
laserviking said:
Could someone who knows about the difficulties associated with porting ROMs quickly describe how feasible getting a work of port of android from the EVO 4G over to the HD2 would be?
I imagine the fact that the camera is different would cause problems?
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Lawl, you guys must be smoking some pretty good pot. This will take months. You are assuming that every single internal part save for the camera is identical. I'm pretty certain it won't be. It'll be a long time before any port of Android is working on the HD2. Until then, it's best you not get your hopes too high because you'd surely be disappointed if you think a working port is feasible in 4 ~ 8 weeks.
this topic has been beaten to death over and over guys. i'm not trying to come off as a ****, but please search and read before making posts, because it upsets the devs. A LOT of parts are different between the HD2 and EVO, they don't even use the same touchscreen. This is going to take some time. Be patient.
a quick Google search will reveal picture and video evidence of this already working, along with Windows Phone 7 succesfully ported on the HD2. problems arise with the assignment of the hard buttons more than anything else.
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Lawl, you guys must be smoking some pretty good pot. This will take months. You are assuming that every single internal part save for the camera is identical. I'm pretty certain it won't be. It'll be a long time before any port of Android is working on the HD2. Until then, it's best you not get your hopes too high because you'd surely be disappointed if you think a working port is feasible in 4 ~ 8 weeks.
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I've got no such expectations, for one I pointed out at least the camera is different and I assume a whole lot of other stuff is too.
Anyway, here's a question I've never seen addressed in any topic but is interesting for layman plebs:
What information do official HTC devs have access to which XDA devs don't, which makes churning out working drivers, etc. for phones doable for the former and nigh-on impossible for the latter? Please don't misinterpret this post as accusing XDA devs of being lazy or anything, I'm just curious as to why it's so difficult.
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Anyway, here's a question I've never seen addressed in any topic but is interesting for layman plebs:
What information do official HTC devs have access to which XDA devs don't, which makes churning out working drivers, etc. for phones doable for the former and nigh-on impossible for the latter? Please don't misinterpret this post as accusing XDA devs of being lazy or anything, I'm just curious as to why it's so difficult.
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The knowledge that a hefty paycheck is arriving at the end of every two weeks and that if they don't perform, they'll get replaced with another person who is qualified and willing to deliver on said schedule. Things change when you do it as a hobby and when you're struggling to make a better life for yourself and/or spouse and kids.
Even a somewhat working version of Android on the Blackstone came out what, 12 months after its release? Making Android work on a Windows Mobile device is not some plug and play magic or drag and drop process as a lot of you are making it out to be (not directly at you, in general). While I'm only a beginner in programming, I know the difficulty that goes into making a good single working software, let alone making an entire OS work on a completely different set of hardware.
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I've got no such expectations, for one I pointed out at least the camera is different and I assume a whole lot of other stuff is too.
Anyway, here's a question I've never seen addressed in any topic but is interesting for layman plebs:
What information do official HTC devs have access to which XDA devs don't, which makes churning out working drivers, etc. for phones doable for the former and nigh-on impossible for the latter? Please don't misinterpret this post as accusing XDA devs of being lazy or anything, I'm just curious as to why it's so difficult.
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The official developers get the hardware datasheets from the manufacturers and software apis because they are licensed to work on these devices. If xda devs got those things, it would be much easier.
CraigBirnie said:
a quick Google search will reveal picture and video evidence of this already working, along with Windows Phone 7 succesfully ported on the HD2. problems arise with the assignment of the hard buttons more than anything else.
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Android has not been ported yet. I don't know where you saw that, but its probably fake. There have been videos of WinPhone 7, but it hasn't been established whether its fake or not.
CraigBirnie said:
a quick Google search will reveal picture and video evidence of this already working, along with Windows Phone 7 succesfully ported on the HD2. problems arise with the assignment of the hard buttons more than anything else.
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Oh hey, thanks for the link.
Kids on here are incredibly stupid.
zarathustrax said:
The official developers get the hardware datasheets from the manufacturers and software apis because they are licensed to work on these devices. If xda devs got those things, it would be much easier.
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Thanks! I knew there had to be a missing link somewhere.
It seems to me that wm6.x is a dying OS.
I love my hd2 but i am now becoming concerned that no one is developing for it, especially in the games department.
Even adobe have dropped flash support saying that wm6.x lacks the API's they need.
With no official wm7 upgrade, we will all be relying on clever people here to get wm7 or android on are HD2's
All in all I feel very disappointed. Anyone else feel the same way?
wish34 said:
It seems to me that wm6.x is a dying OS.
I love my hd2 but i am now becoming concerned that no one is developing for it, especially in the games department.
Even adobe have dropped flash support saying that wm6.x lacks the API's they need.
With no official wm7 upgrade, we will all be relying on clever people here to get wm7 or android on are HD2's
All in all I feel very disappointed. Anyone else feel the same way?
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Yup, didn't expect the HD2 to get obsolete so fast especially considering the amount we paid for it. Really hoped HTC would do something to keep the HD2 feeling fresh during its 2 year lifespan, but they obviously don't care about costumer service at all.
As I understand it both Samsung and HTC are lacking in this department and then people wonder why people choose the iPhone over competing phones.
If it weren't for XDA I would have given up on WM much earlier.
HD2 is ,imho, a "business" platform which would have great gaming potential.
And yes, I agree that both MS and HTC seem not to care about existing customers - they have not understood the concept of doing "iBusiness". Means, understanding the own customers and offering products and solutions which are requested by those important stakeholders.
As the posting before mine mentioned, Samsung is not better at all - they never understood customers. And I know what I am talking about...
I think even if WP7 is going more into the "iBiz" direction, it will not really succeed the way Apple did. Android will fill there. But, you never know. MS will try to move some XBox success over to the mobile platform...
In the sum, I knew about all this when I bought my HD2. In the past, I rarely used any device for more than 2 years - in this case, probably summer 2011, with iPhone 5G and Android "3rd generation", I will take my next choice... until then, I am perfectly fine with my HD2, thanks to xda.
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It seems to me that wm6.x is a dying OS.
I love my hd2 but i am now becoming concerned that no one is developing for it, especially in the games department.
Even adobe have dropped flash support saying that wm6.x lacks the API's they need.
With no official wm7 upgrade, we will all be relying on clever people here to get wm7 or android on are HD2's
All in all I feel very disappointed. Anyone else feel the same way?
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Yes i am afraid thats is true..you have been uber-mugged...Thank the god there is xda...and quite honestly, here you can find anything you could want(more or less) that MSFT or HTC would even sweat getting for their customers..HTC being the lesser of the 2 evil since they built this beat and beauty at the same time AND covering so effectively the visual hiddeousness of 6.x platform (visually wise)..You are not on your own, you have the greatest community ever by your side but fact remains , your purchase alone was a money drain (if you do exclude xda and take it as a winmo phone)
i bought hd2 few months ago knowing now what i ignored then about windows 6,.5 dying i would never have bought it but thanks to xda people they gave it the extra mile that was lacking and made it look way more beautiful ,like co0kies tabs, 3G switch in comm manager,and the most beautiful skins from diniks ,what else would you want ?
this sound awfull... cell phone brands leaving their customers on their own or leiving them to a community they dont control..... (don't miss understand me, XDA rocks)
But that kind of brand "policies"... S*ck
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Even a cheap chinese cell phone like "Ciphone" has it's own community to help users, give updates and apps. Cifans forum. I had the c6 and that community did a great job for me. HTC did a lot less...
Its true, I do love my HD2 very much, but if it wasn't for XDA Developers, I really would have gone for a android device instead. I am just pleased that custom ROMs, Cookie's Home Tab and MaxManila are doing so well. The reasons for not providing WP7 as an upgrade are quite poor and is something that HTC and MS can easily sort out together but are just deciding not to - I reckon anyway.
gmatharu12 said:
Its true, I do love my HD2 very much, but if it wasn't for XDA Developers, I really would have gone for a android device instead. I am just pleased that custom ROMs, Cookie's Home Tab and MaxManila are doing so well. The reasons for not providing WP7 as an upgrade are quite poor and is something that HTC and MS can easily sort out together but are just deciding not to - I reckon anyway.
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The main reason that they dont is that they have set very high gaming standards for the wp7 devices for the xbox live plans they got and snapdragon's fill rate is very low to fit their needs.
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The main reason that they dont is that they have set very high gaming standards for the wp7 devices for the xbox live plans they got and snapdragon's fill rate is very low to fit their needs.
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I can understand that. Fair enough, well now I am about to flash a new ROM, I really want to try messing with MaxManila's new interface. Yeah, the HD2 may never see a fully working WP7, but as long as I have the HD2 - I don't think I'll ever get bored of messing with WM6.5/6.5.3/etc, flashing ROMs, and so on. haha. Talking about the gaming standards, I am looking forward to what developers come up with.
This is true and I hate that no sites have had the balls to post about this fact. It's just something both companies I guess feel they DON'T have to take care of and don't feel it's any loss anger a few customers about this issue. The hardware issue is such bull**** in my opinion. This isn't the first time there were phones with different hardware. Simply make some apps for certain phones and obviously the higher end apps will support the higher end phones. The games has been a big issue, but nothing really to care about. FPSECE covers most of that. As far as XDA while I do love the site and it does develop a lot of new and unique things for the HD2 recently it's mostly been custom UIs that are just flooding the HD2 section.
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The main reason that they dont is that they have set very high gaming standards for the wp7 devices for the xbox live plans they got and snapdragon's fill rate is very low to fit their needs.
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snapdragon 1ghz cpu is the miniumum standard for Wp7 isnt it?
I would have thought the HD2 opengles was fast enough....oc better drivers
would help as chainfire has allready shown...xda to the rescue again
My point is this is the fastest cpu /phone ive ever used, its capable of far better games perfomance, but as winmo 6.5 phone its never going to see any
games such as gameloft ashphalt 5
There are several games out there that should be updated such as Cod2 and thps2, these would sell to the HD2 comunity and i doubt it would be that difficult or expensive for EA and the like to get these older tittles working
" Anyone else think MS and HTC have let us down? "
nope, can't say I do.
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That would make a seriously good topic title.
htc has let us all down.. look at sony ericsson, they have hundreds of apps and the xperia x2 is getting official rom updates now.. which feature WinMo 6.5.x (start button positioned down). it it weren't for xda, i would have used my hd2 as a weapon to injure people! Screw u MS and HTC.
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htc has let us all down.. look at sony ericsson, they have hundreds of apps and the xperia x2 is getting official rom updates now.. which feature WinMo 6.5.x (start button positioned down). it it weren't for xda, i would have used my hd2 as a weapon to injure people! Screw u MS and HTC.
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Have you used an xperia x2 lately? It is slow as a snail compared with the HD2.
It shouldn't be long until they (yes the xda gods) port us android. Windows is and will always be rubbish.
Look on the bright side, the EVO is coming so soooon.
HTC's total failure
not only HTC let us down but make us to feel as idiots that just financed their stupid OS selection by buying HD2. Personally i am wont participate in other their action, will trow away HTC HD2 (and just because the WM...otherwise i like it!) and will never ever buy another HTC product. For now the market is full with alternatives.
NO, because anyone who has done research before buying the phone would already know this. I did, and i bought it anyway, because xda will always help when ms and htc wont.
If you look through other HTC phone models on XDA, you will find that very often when the forum has come up with good ideas, and there has been a lot of interest in them, HTC (who read this forum), take it on board and add the idea to their official updates.
So if a large percentage of HD2 owners say they are dumping their HD2 phones, why should HTC bother with updates?
If you do not like your HD2 phone, or MS software, hard luck, don't complain to XDA. The forum did not twist your arm to buy it.
You would not buy a car or computer, without checking its performance first, so why buy a phone without checking its performance first.
se1988 said:
NO, because anyone who has done research before buying the phone would already know this. I did, and i bought it anyway, because xda will always help when ms and htc wont.
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I did my research there but I bought my HD2 when I read somewhere it can be upgraded to WP7. A few weeks after I bought it, well...the bad news came up.
I really like the looks and feel of the HD2 but I'm wishing HTC can give us end users an option which OS to use. I'd grab Android anytime. But hey, in a sense, MS let me down but not as much as HTC did.
ofc till xda is here and members have free time to solve problems occurring because of WM and HTC carelessness.
and pls can u explain here how u mek market research on usage of totally new phone on the market. (if u are in the 1st buyers list). i am just curious!
and still believe that companies must have responsibilities to their customers!
I'm a big fan of this phone. The Mango update has added a lot of core functionality to the WP7 OS. However, it still extensively hinders the ability of this hardware. I'm not interested in a new phone, I own a Captivate.
Lets look at the idea of Android on the Focus. I don't want to argue that I need a new phone, I would like to put everything together for it here.
Ex. Locate drivers, and other android phones that share the hardware in part.
I'm looking for this to be a learning experience for myself and others.
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I'm looking into gathering drivers, and looking into android devices that share hardware.
Do we have anyone else in this forum with any interest porting android to this device?
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Most people here just not so capable doing that kind of stuff.
Also, Focus is a near dead device. They'll just trade it with Focus S / Titan or an Android.
So I don't really think it worth the effort.
It would be cool to get android, but we don't have a method to flash any non-authorized roms to the phone. But there was a collection taken to purchase a Focus to be hacked by Cotulla (and possibly DFT) to try and hack the Samsung phones. Hopefully that would lead to other OSs and custom Roms.
I think the reason why there's no interest in porting android is because ppl who buy a wp7 device really wants wp7, i can not say this is the case for most android devices.
Yeah, it is really pointless to be honest. I was bored and thinking of something stupid I could do with this WP7 phone I have laying around.
I learned a lot about these phones and android just searching but I think it is too much work to do really for this phone.
I'm interested in knowing why the Leo is capable of running multiple OS's, is it because of the hardware/software or that it has a hardworking community here in XDA?
mainly an open bootloader
hardware that is very simlar to other devices running diffferent operating systems
hard work of devs/hackers to get things ported
so basically it is both a combination of hardware and software
Thank you very much for anwering!
Richy99 said:
mainly an open bootloader
hardware that is very simlar to other devices running diffferent operating systems
hard work of devs/hackers to get things ported
so basically it is both a combination of hardware and software
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Because it was released just when Android was really starting to take off and because the device itself was ahead of its time as far as hardware goes.
Many devs/chefs got the device because of sheer power and then wanted to have the next big thing (Android) running on it.
The reason why its still going strong and has the biggest dev community on XDA is because the hardware still stands up today and there just isnt any big enough reason to move onto a new device yet.
In addition to the above mentioned, its original WM OS was not very popular after iphone has been released. Besides the biggest asset is that in addition to being ahead of its time, more than 3 million had been sold.
I would guess due to it being released with amazing hardware and an already outdated, perhaps dying OS. And since the bootloader is open and it uses a qualcomm chip, there was no need to upgrade to any other phone cause the HD2 could already run both Android and WP7
here is a similar thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1042866
and here is a link to my reply in that thread, seeing as how the facts haven't really changed and the reasons for the HD2's "success" are still pretty much the same:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13069330&postcount=5
Kick ass devs!
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Kick ass devs!
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Amen to that...when people ask me similar questions I respond with the following illuminating equation that explains my personal love of the HD2:
Antipathy for iphone + (antipathy for Verizon / general satisfaction with TMO) X (killer h/w + killer s/w) + world class Devs + unmatched customizability + economical replacement cost = LEO IS KING!!!
If Meego is ported, what are the benefits over other OS choices?
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If Meego is ported, what are the benefits over other OS choices?
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Hi,
IMO nothing at all. The HD2 is, despite it's "old age", still the best device around, despite other devices with bigger screens - Amoled - other OS's etc. The HD2 remains the most versatile device around, cause it can run (almost) all of the existing OS's around. Orther devices are not capable of that.
regards, Kuzibri
Regarding WP, kinda helps that hd2 was used as a test bed for WP too and is the older brother of the NEAR identical hd7, it was luck more than anything, it came out at the right time in the WP development program
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