I understand that everyone's builds are different and with different tweaks and apps but what are the primary differences between Cupcake, Ion and Roger's based Roms?
I come from a Windows Mobile background and I know the different sys files in a rom made a world of differences from performance to features, is this the same with Android?
Here:
http://www.simonwalkerphotos.com/android/android_build_information.asp
Thats the best answer you will get, it tells you everything you need to know.
Oh and obviously the rogers rom is only for rogers .
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Here:
http://www.simonwalkerphotos.com/android/android_build_information.asp
Thats the best answer you will get, it tells you everything you need to know.
Oh and obviously the rogers rom is only for rogers .
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That's the only answer I have gotten through PMs and it is not what i am asking.
I understand the difference between the different Rom builds but what is the difference between 3 Roms with the same tweaks and apps but 1 is Ion based, 1 is cupcake based and ,1 is roger's based (and I am running a Rogers Rom on Tmob so they are not only for Rogers )
jady said:
That's the only answer I have gotten through PMs and it is not what i am asking.
I understand the difference between the different Rom builds but what is the difference between 3 Roms with the same tweaks and apps but 1 is Ion based, 1 is cupcake based and ,1 is roger's based (and I am running a Rogers Rom on Tmob so they are not only for Rogers )
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Isn't Rogers still cupcake based?
They're all "cupcake based." The Ion version runs quick, but lacks the T-mobile features of AmazonMP3 and the IM that has Yahoo, AIM and MSN. Rogers adds Exchange support to that (and isn't only for Rogers).
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They're all "cupcake based." The Ion version runs quick, but lacks the T-mobile features of AmazonMP3 and the IM that has Yahoo, AIM and MSN. Rogers adds Exchange support to that (and isn't only for Rogers).
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So then if I understand correctly ion just strips down the rom and optimizes the build and rogers just adds some other support (exchange) but they are all basically the same as far as abilities and features?
What is the difference between the HTC and Google builds? I recall HTC and Microsoft having 2 separate development trees for WM6.5. Is this similar?
Thanks for the help guys, I have limited Linux experience but tons of WM experience and have had the G1 for 3 weeks now. I am still trying to wrap my head around the structure and organization of the Roms.
What is the difference between the HTC and Google builds?
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The only differences you will really see betweek the two are the Dialer, Camera, VK, some marble game, and a PDF viewer.
I think thats all...
None of these responses really answer the first posters question. Those links are all great for showing the different features but it would be great for someone to post something that will help us understand just what those charts even mean. For example, one of the sites, Androidspin is fantastic as a chart for picking your ROM but it assumes already that you know what cupcake, doughnut, rogers, hero... is. Here in Utah, I had no idea that Rogers was a carrier. I thought it was a model of HTC phone?
Can someone explain all the different terms. Something like (pulling out of my butt cause I'm in the dark here)
Physical phones:
Dream
Magic
Hero
Operating systems:
cupcake
rosie
doughnut
Carriers:
Rogers
T-Mobile
Cyanogenmod = great for speed but lacks features
JacHeroski = based on Hero, yadda yadda yadda..
There are so many different ROM's I'm totally lost as to which one I would want to load on my G1 that is fast, stable and has lots of great features.
Man, all I can say is spend a few hours on these boards and read the stickies
Im not trying to be a **** by any means... Its just that at this point theres so many different flavors of Android out there that it would take us longer to explain it as opposed to you just readin those posts.
As far as:
Operating systems:
cupcake
rosie
doughnut
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is concerned... In short Android is the overall OS... Cupcake is the first of many updates to the operating system which included things such as soft keyboard, MMS attachment save, etc. Rosie has NOTHING to do with Android, rather its an update created by HTC to lay over the existing home screen and provide some nice eye candy. Donut is the latest update on the verge of being released.
Check this site out to get really in depth:
http://developer.android.com/guide/basics/what-is-android.html
Related
This is thread about porting the ORIGINAL ROM of HTC HERO that HTC announced in its event on 24th June...........
Any one who gets hold of the ROM please upload it here so that the devs can start porting ...
The ROM that original firmware has is slight different and it seemed to be much more complete and smoother....
THE ROM IS NOT YET THERE>>> THIS IS FOR DISCUSSION
If this a discussion thread then i will move it to general, thanks for the clarification
i cant wait until we get it. hopefully Haykuro shows up with it out of the blue and becomes our Hero.
How does everyone think the Sense UI Rom will run on our G1s? Do you think it will be as fast as it was in the Hero Demo or will it be slightly slower than that because the Dream has less ROM/RAM vs the Hero?
im sure that it will be faster than our current hero rom with a2sd. It might be a little slower but i dont think it should be that noticeable of a difference.
it should be able to run well...swapper will make up for the ram we dont have and a class 6 card will also help our cause.
HTC Hero G3 Released to T-mobile and G1 update
looks like T-mobile will Released Hero by November and December and
will released the flash player to all G1 (OTA UPDATE)
update code Name: flash (V2.0) update..
"HTC's Sense UI not coming to any "Google" branded phones"
We've got some good and bad news... mostly bad, though. First, the good news: HTC is looking into finding a way to bring its new Sense UI -- the one featured prominently in the new Hero -- to its non-Google branded Android devices, such as Canadian carrier Roger Wireless' Magic. Unfortunately, and this is the bad news, even that's not a sure thing, and as you can probably guess from the wording, any phone that's got the "with Google" branding, like T-Mobile USA's G1 and myTouch 3G, won't be getting a chance at all due to the same licensing terms that prevented Microsoft Exchange clients on those same phones. Them's the breaks, folks, but we're sure some hacker with enough know-how will bypass the silly restrictions and do it anyway.
taken from - http://www.engadget.com/ -
well until the Rogers phones get rooted, they better not leave out the Dream on Rogers or I'm going to be rather upset.
Of cousre I'll take root and a hacked ROM any day
Rosco911 said:
"HTC's Sense UI not coming to any "Google" branded phones"
We've got some good and bad news... mostly bad, though. First, the good news: HTC is looking into finding a way to bring its new Sense UI -- the one featured prominently in the new Hero -- to its non-Google branded Android devices, such as Canadian carrier Roger Wireless' Magic. Unfortunately, and this is the bad news, even that's not a sure thing, and as you can probably guess from the wording, any phone that's got the "with Google" branding, like T-Mobile USA's G1 and myTouch 3G, won't be getting a chance at all due to the same licensing terms that prevented Microsoft Exchange clients on those same phones. Them's the breaks, folks, but we're sure some hacker with enough know-how will bypass the silly restrictions and do it anyway.
taken from - http://www.engadget.com/ -
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heh this isn't much to worry about. as soon as someone gets hold of the phone, it's only a matter of doing a "adb pull /system system" and uploading it somewhere for us to be able to grab it and run with it
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well until the Rogers phones get rooted, they better not leave out the Dream on Rogers or I'm going to be rather upset.
Of cousre I'll take root and a hacked ROM any day
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why not both? ;P
haykuro said:
heh this isn't much to worry about. as soon as someone gets hold of the phone, it's only a matter of doing a "adb pull /system system" and uploading it somewhere for us to be able to grab it and run with it
why not both? ;P
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This is why I love xda
does anyone think that this could be done without root, similar to the manual update for T-Mobile 1.5? Maybe you could just edit the contents of T-Mobile 1.5 to add the UI changes?
I really doubt it, if it were possible I think we would've done that with some of the ROMs that have been released. You're on a developer website, you have to take some risks because this is "in development' not finished.
as I stated in another thread, HTC is not bringing sense to "with Google" branded phones, however, there are non google dreams out there, I think roger's is one of them. Once rogers gets rosie, it's gonna be an easy port to any dream rom.
Anyway, if somebody dumps a hero rom, there shouldn't be a reason why it wouldn't run on Dream. Hero is comparable in hardware (memory size and storage capacity) to the sapphire, so it'd only be a matter of making rosie run in less memory (192 vs 288) and fit in a smaller space (256 vs 512). The processors by Qualcomm on both devices are very similar, the hero's being a revision of dream's and sapphire's processors, and they both share the same arm11 core. Both processors are capable of running at 528mhz, so, really, there's very little difference between both devices. Again, a rogers dream port would be better, but Hero port will still work fine on dream
Hi,
I am new to this forum and would just like to know if anyone has any idea if there will be an official release of the HTC Hero's UI on to the G1.
I have heard that it will be available for all other Android and Windows Mobile phones except the G1.
Please let me know.
Thanks a Lot
Pretty doubtful I think because it uses HTC's custom libraries to create the user interface, while the G1 was officially shipped using open source code available in the cupcake branch. Some devs are adding features though from the donut branch also whick keeps us G1 users up to date with the latest features but eventually the hardware will get limited to support these additions.
I've not actually tried out a Hero build myself but from the threads posted about it so far, the ports to the G1 are still pretty slow and bloated, especially the widgets.
The answer, sadly, is no - HTC has confirmed that the Sense UI will not be ported to any device that is branded "with Google" such as the G1 or MyTouch 3G.
Won't it be ported to the Roger's G1 though? That's not a "with google" phone.
its already been semi ported. If you have rooted your phone you can already install a Hero Rom on your G1, although there are some things missing like bluetooth, it is getting updated almost daily.
cool, thanks a lot for all your help.
Hi, i am a person who is not looking for many functions in a ROM, i am wondering if someone could make a ROM which only includes the basic apps such as Contacts, phone, message, calendar, default Launcher,Mail, Gallery, android Music player ,Market,Youtube,Browser,clock, calculator, camera ,HTC lockscreen and this ROM is based on the hero base.
May i know if this is possible? This will run hero as smoothly as possible. Thanks!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=534479
go to this thread
navigate to the bottom of the 1st post
click link under all other builds can be found here......
download JACHero 2.7.3 SuperLite.zip
remove anything you do not want from the build from the .zip file
(if there is anything you would like to add now is the time to add it to the .zip file)
resign it (if you do not know how to sign it search or pm me)
then put it on your sdcard and flash
this is the easiest way to get a bare-bones version of hero that is fast,simple, and imo one of the main reasons for a hero build, flash 9.
you.... must be kidding... right? JacHero?.... you might as well fill up a rom with fart apps and install it on your g1. He's looking for a basic rom, and, us being sans JF, the best other thing we have is;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=538456
this rom has choices, and choices are always good. You can either download the basic rom (either ADP based or T-Mobile based (go with T-mo's, more space left in data)), or download the full one which has several of the modifications that have been developed in this forum. if you don't wish to have all that enabled by default, you can just download the basic one and use an expansion pack later on if you decide you want a little more.
Seriously, for your sanity, steer clear of any hero roms (unless you're ok with rebooting your phone every 3 hours to get usability back)
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edit, because i just re-read and noticed you do want to run hero.... search the threads and look for haykuro's hero beta 4. It's, by far, the best basic hero rom out there. Nothing, I repeat, NOTHING, compares (hero-wise) to how good, fast, and well put-together it is.
Seriously, steer clear of hero roms...
jubeh said:
you.... must be kidding... right? JacHero?.... you might as well fill up a rom with fart apps and install it on your g1. He's looking for a basic rom, and, us being sans JF, the best other thing we have is;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=538456
this rom has choices, and choices are always good. You can either download the basic rom (either ADP based or T-Mobile based (go with T-mo's, more space left in data)), or download the full one which has several of the modifications that have been developed in this forum. if you don't wish to have all that enabled by default, you can just download the basic one and use an expansion pack later on if you decide you want a little more.
Seriously, for your sanity, steer clear of any hero roms (unless you're ok with rebooting your phone every 3 hours to get usability back)
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edit, because i just re-read and noticed you do want to run hero.... search the threads and look for haykuro's hero beta 4. It's, by far, the best basic hero rom out there. Nothing, I repeat, NOTHING, compares (hero-wise) to how good, fast, and well put-together it is.
Seriously, steer clear of hero roms...
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actually jachero superlite is very fast..its just like running a stock cupcake. or just a watered down hero
hazeline said:
Hi, i am a person who is not looking for many functions in a ROM, i am wondering if someone could make a ROM which only includes the basic apps such as Contacts, phone, message, calendar, default Launcher,Mail, Gallery, android Music player ,Market,Youtube,Browser,clock, calculator, camera ,HTC lockscreen and this ROM is based on the hero base.
May i know if this is possible? This will run hero as smoothly as possible. Thanks!
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and jacxhero 1.1 in my opinion is the best hero rom so far. its a collab wit with drizzy (known for making the speediest hero roms) jacxhero 1.2 is a bit slower.
just download overclock from the market. and then underclock settins should me max: 385 and min:380
hero roms seems to run better when underclocked to 383mhz
but bluetooth and leds dont work still
brian_v3ntura said:
actually jachero superlite is very fast..its just like running a stock cupcake. or just a watered down hero
and jacxhero 1.1 in my opinion is the best hero rom so far. its a collab wit with drizzy (known for making the speediest hero roms) jacxhero 1.2 is a bit slower.
just download overclock from the market. and then underclock settins should me max: 385 and min:380
hero roms seems to run better when underclocked to 383mhz
but bluetooth and leds dont work still
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my issue with jachero lite is that it's removing everything from hero that makes it hero... you might as well use a smaller rom (80 mb v 40) and download twitter and facebook apps. I've never understood why you'd want to use a hero rom and remove all that makes it hero and then leave behind all the garbage of framework that HTC put there for nothing but two apps. Also, it's beyond me why roms are being made from the second and third releases of hero. They come odexed, which means that the code has been optimized FOR THE HERO. The dream device, though it shares some of the same equipment, is not the same. People should be working off of full jars and apks (haykuro's original hero releases) so that the dalvik vm can create optimized code for the dream, not the hero.
It's not that Jac's rom is fast. Hero is inherently fast. Any and all hero roms you install will originally be that fast. The lag comes from the bad memory leaks of HTC's framework, and there's hardly anything JAC or anybody else can do about it. Its' tolerable in the Hero device because of the higher memory available, and the workaround in the dream is the lousily executed idea of a sawp file. Install haykuro's original release, and you'll see that it's every bit as fast, if not faster, than Jac's releases, that's because the code is optimized for the dream.
I like JACxROM since it is pretty fast and has all your basics
Hey Guys,
I was wondering that since Google is already sharing the Donut Love with G1's and Magic's when are we gonna see some Donut love for our lovely piece of Hardware we all know as HERO ...
I am guessing Htc is working on the 1.6 SDK provided by Google to integrate it with ROSIE, but i am thinking the Developers here are alot faster than the guys and HTC.
So can we get a Rosie with 1.6 which is rooted ofcourse but nothing else... no other modifications i mean.
Respect to all.
Cheeers
nadeemhasnaat said:
Hey Guys,
I was wondering that since Google is already sharing the Donut Love with G1's and Magic's when are we gonna see some Donut love for our lovely piece of Hardware we all know as HERO ...
I am guessing Htc is working on the 1.6 SDK provided by Google to integrate it with ROSIE, but i am thinking the Developers here are alot faster than the guys and HTC.
So can we get a Rosie with 1.6 which is rooted ofcourse but nothing else... no other modifications i mean.
Respect to all.
Cheeers
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Good question, I would love to see that as well... BUT I suppose it is not possible without the kernel sourse, unless Sprint's Hero comes out with 1.6 and then its ROM is ported to our European Heros. That's up to the devs!
Well the Sprint Hero HAS to come with Donut... It's CDMA, and that's only supported in Donut, so I'm almost 100% positive it will ship with Donut.
chaoscentral said:
Well the Sprint Hero HAS to come with Donut... It's CDMA, and that's only supported in Donut, so I'm almost 100% positive it will ship with Donut.
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That was what I thought. But Joshua @ Engadget told me that their Sprint Hero review unit only has Android 1.5 on it. Well, Android 1.6 added support for CDMA does not necessarily mean that one cannot write a driver for Android 1.5 to support CDMA.
But anyway, I do think that it is almost likely that HTC will release a 1.6 update for the Hero in a not too distance future.
The Google experience G1s and Magics are purely that - stock Cupcake ROMs. The Hero presents a slight challenge as HTC put a lot of love into the ROM, with the addition of SenseUI. Hopefully, it won't take that long to cook a Donut ROM with SenseUI, but just making the transition of the great innovations from HTC for the Hero will be the stumbling block for a Donut-based ROM.
HTC Response to my Donut question.
I asked when they'd release a ROM using Dognut ( 1.6 ) for the Hero.
Their reply:
Good Morning, HTC do not release the ROM updates. Google do. If you have any questions relating thier operating system, the updates, its benefits and release dates please visit www.android.com for further support. Here at HTC, we manufacture the hardware on the device and release hotfixes for when reported bugs needs resolution. If you have a technical support related query regarding the device, please do not hesitate to contact us again. Kind Regards, HTC Europe
This has constantly been my experience with HTC - ask them a question and they say contact Google.
J-Zeus said:
I asked when they'd release a ROM using Dognut ( 1.6 ) for the Hero.
Their reply:
Good Morning, HTC do not release the ROM updates. Google do. If you have any questions relating thier operating system, the updates, its benefits and release dates please visit www.android.com for further support. Here at HTC, we manufacture the hardware on the device and release hotfixes for when reported bugs needs resolution. If you have a technical support related query regarding the device, please do not hesitate to contact us again. Kind Regards, HTC Europe
This has constantly been my experience with HTC - ask them a question and they say contact Google.
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Man thats so frustrating innit. I am sure if we ask google, they wont comment either coz our hero is not with "GOOGLE EXPERIENCE" ..... what a load of cr*p
well i actually snooped around and heard a couple of ppl say that it should not be a difficult task for HTC to induce Rosie into 1.6, infact one of them even said " should be a peice of cake" so i am a hopless optimist and hopefully it'll be sent as an OTA upgrade or " HOTFIX " by HTC soon...
I'll call HTC too and see if i can get any more info out
update
Just got off the phone with a customer support officer from HTC UK. And she said that while they dont have the exact date on when HTC will issue and update bundled with Donut, It is under works and will be sooner rather than later..... now the waiting games begin
correct me if I'm wrong, but 1.6 doesn't bring that much for us Hero owners right? When the first announcements came I looked through the "Whats new" list and I didn't start shouting from excitement
dipje said:
correct me if I'm wrong, but 1.6 doesn't bring that much for us Hero owners right? When the first announcements came I looked through the "Whats new" list and I didn't start shouting from excitement
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well the only notable improvement might be of the speed and performance, although google didn't shout about it so i m thinking it'll be minimalistic ... however detailed battery usage, universal search and test to speech are a few things i wouldn't mind having....
But actually for me its just about getting the latest updates on the Android flagship device...
dipje said:
correct me if I'm wrong, but 1.6 doesn't bring that much for us Hero owners right? When the first announcements came I looked through the "Whats new" list and I didn't start shouting from excitement
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One benefit will be being able to run any future apps that require 1.6 (use 1.6-specific API features). We already have apps that run only on 1.5 or higher...
system-wide search feature would be nice...
I'm not sure if anyone has noticed this, but I signed up to point it out:
http://www.htc.com/europe/product/tattoo/specification.html
http://developer.htc.com/htc_tattoo_developer.html
The Tattoo will be shipping with Android 1.6, and it uses the Sense UI. That should mean that it isn't too far off for the Hero.
Looks promising! and the Tatoo is Due to launch orange UK this month
VPN and Global search are the two main features I am most excited about in the Donut
It's supposed to be faster also.
Does 1.6 not also include the improved App Store for Android?
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Does 1.6 not also include the improved App Store for Android?
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yes it does
http://drop.io/g1i9pj0 hero is getting donut....you might also be getting a snapdragon hero.
I installed donut on my girlfriends g1 yesterday and it seemed much faster than cupcake.
Hi guys,
im trying to get my phone jtaged so i can finally have it rooted. are there any suggestions on the best mod to use for the g1? i know we have limited memeory and i beleive we cant even run 2.0 or 2.1 on the phone is that correct?
THanks!
does this mean we get 2.1!!!
Posted by Cyanogen in Home on May 21, 2010
A whole bunch of us have been working hard to get Android 2.1 (CM 5.0.7) running perfect on the HTC Dream and Magic phones and I think it’s nearly ready to go. This release is almost exactly the same as the Nexus One and Droid versions of CM now, minus a few of the heavier apps.
This was an incredible community effort and I hope everyone likes the result. Breathing new life into old hardware is always awesome.
I expect that a stable release of 5.0.7 should be ready for all devices in the next few days.
And after that.. Google has confirmed that Android 2.2 (FroYo) will be available for ION phones, so it’s guaranteed that CM-6 will continue to support the G1 also when the source code hits AOSP.
Cyanogen 5.0.7test7 runs pretty sweetly on my G1 and its based on 2.1
does it lag at all? are there any limitations that i should know of
I find it ok with comcache enabled, around the same speed (if not a little quicker) then the stable based on 1.6.
It is still a "test / experimental" build though, so proceed at your own risk etc...
Link to the download and details - http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/index....ic-would-you-like-a-pony-v507-test7-05222010/
Changelog for test7 - http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php/Release_Notes#5.0.7-DS-test7_.28experimental.29
omgkush said:
Hi guys,
im trying to get my phone jtaged so i can finally have it rooted. are there any suggestions on the best mod to use for the g1? i know we have limited memeory and i beleive we cant even run 2.0 or 2.1 on the phone is that correct?
THanks!
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Running the Rom on my signature which is CyanogenMod5, latest version themed and tweaked. It is a 2.1 and is running very fast/stable so far. Major downside is the battery life however and is a bit hard to get used to vs. a 1.6 Donut Rom.
In all honesty Id say you try SuperD v1.11 (Best Donut Rom in my opinion) first and then flash the Eclair Roms later on. Sooner or later I am sure a developer will improve the battery degradation problem on the 2.1's.
vixsandlee said:
I find it ok with comcache enabled, around the same speed (if not a little quicker) then the stable based on 1.6.
It is still a "test / experimental" build though, so proceed at your own risk etc...
Link to the download and details - http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/index....ic-would-you-like-a-pony-v507-test7-05222010/
Changelog for test7 - http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php/Release_Notes#5.0.7-DS-test7_.28experimental.29
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Its been released "stable"
omgkush said:
Hi guys,
im trying to get my phone jtaged so i can finally have it rooted. are there any suggestions on the best mod to use for the g1?
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And what, might I ask, is a "g1"?
This phone you speak of is an HTC phone called "DREAM".
i know we have limited memeory
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That statement is absurd. EVERYTHING has limited memory. Unlimited memory is by definition IMPOSSIBLE, even the smallest memory component possible would consume more than the total available space in the universe to produce unlimited/infinite memory. In fact, it would consume the space consumed by INFINITE UNIVERSES. Inconceivably huge, eh?
and i beleive we cant even run 2.0 or 2.1 on the phone is that correct?
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And just where did you come up with this nonsense? Do you realize that all the chicken littles in the world will always say "your old hardware will never see this!" -- fact is that this is NOT WINDOZE!! Just because windoze phones don't get to see the newer versions does NOT mean that WE won't get to see our newer versions.
**** this guy is annoying with this rooting ****...
You push too much dude. People don't want to work on your phones cause your too pushy
You start threads about the same thing.....useless