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First Cooked ROM from Midget_1990 on Saturday!!

OK friends, before you start asking about exact times, I don't know and neither does Midget.
ltxda and myself have been in touch with the rest of the team and our ROM developer Midget.
We could have had a 90% complete ROM uploaded sometime tonight, just to see the extent of the ROM under development, but we advised against this as after all the wait we believe our donators in particular and the rest of the Athena community would rather have a 100% complete ROM worth flashing over our existing ones.
So there it is people. Saturday some time unspecified, we get our first completed cooked ROM form Midget. Don't expect it to be the final ROM though, as some will undoubtedly find something that needs tweaking or added to the base ROM, but given the time Midget has spent on it thus far, we can hope for a pretty stable and fast ROM as I know he spent a lot of time twaeking it.
Happy flashing this weekend.

Any chance of a manifest?

copperwave said:
Any chance of a manifest?
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Probably not, as it's so close to release, but no doubt one will be put together after the initial ROM reaches Final ROM status.

anxiously waiting
I cant wait anxiously waiting

Call it the "Disadvantaged" Rom !!!!!!!
Then we know it is for us peeps who didnt get the official update
Irrespective of the name I cant wait though, better start charging the batteries and take out the memory card so long ....
This actually give us enough time to do backups as well !
Thanks Cant wait

what about the ext-rom? is the problem fixed? is it unhide & unlock? is ther a way to be?
Special tnx Midget! Can't w8 longer.
Cheers, Hirad

today is saturday and still no rom!

yes and it is still saturday for another 13 hours (in britain at least)
Right at the top it says that there are no details about time so just chill out and wait for it.
No wonder people like oli and Midget get pissed off! They work damn hard for this place and all they get is whining!!
Even if they over run by a few days, just be grateful that they have done it at all, instead of complaining that it is late or wondering where it is!
I'll be waiting patiently and be thankful if it appears at all...especially as the Athena is not a huge seling device and is always going to be one of the least hacked devices for that very reason!

rhedgehog said:
yes and it is still saturday for another 13 hours (in britain at least)
Right at the top it says that there are no details about time so just chill out and wait for it.
No wonder people like oli and Midget get pissed off! They work damn hard for this place and all they get is whining!!
Even if they over run by a few days, just be grateful that they have done it at all, instead of complaining that it is late or wondering where it is!
I'll be waiting patiently and be thankful if it appears at all...especially as the Athena is not a huge seling device and is always going to be one of the least hacked devices for that very reason!
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C'mon, tiger! Get your claws back in!

My Bad...Sorry next Saturday 1st September.
Sorry friends I made a mistake. I got in touch with Midget today to check on the progress, to find he's still away from a PC until early next week when he could upload the 90% ROM we told him to hold off from as Saturday would be the day for the Complete 100% ROM.
Stupid me assumed it was this Saturday. I re-checked my txt messages from Midget and indeed he did say 'back early next week and can upload 90% ROM then and complete ROM by Saturday'.
Sorry all, my excitement must have got the better of me.

cool man it's ok we can wait!
Anyway currently for the cooked ROM what's the advantages/disavantages or any items included/excluded? New to this kinda stuff just hope my questions do not seem dumb.

hey guys! cool down! i'm really sorry for that kinda posting! 2 proud of myself... u know? sorry now i really apreciate this situation and this hard working from both of our heroes(Oli & Midget)! and mackaby007 it's not your fault we are all excited to see the first cooked rom for our devices! have nothing to add on this! 2 sorry man.
Cheers, Hirad

what is a cooked Rom and does it come with chips and beans?

spacecat said:
what is a cooked Rom and does it come with chips and beans?
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More like bricks & toast, if you don't know what you're doing!

I think we all just need to calm down and wait patiently for the ROM. Midget did wonders on the Universal, and now we will get the same great ROM style on the Athena - so we wait....
It's not as if we dont have an interim WM6 we cant use? If you're really desperate then bung on the one that's been available for a few months and then do it again when Midget's is ready - otherwise just stop bugging the poor guy!!

Let's prepare for the forthcoming ROMs.
Hi all. I don't know all the details, but I know this much;
Midget has been working on the Dopod u1000 version ROM, but has changed to be a default European ROM (last I spoke to him) and has made optimized it for speed and reliability, getting rid of unnecessary ****e etc.
He was already very close to completion a few weeks back before his PC died on him. So he had to put most of the ROM back together from memory alone, plus the usual setbacks of life.
Expect a new thread for the new 'Cooked ROM' when it arrives. It will be tweaked with some apps included that should be standard in all ROMs.
For those who are new to ROMs and cooked ROMs, look at it like a software container for the Operating system and specially chosen 3rd party apps etc. Once you flash any ROM with a different one, you completely loose all your previous data, except what you have on the MicroDrive (MD).
Now is a good time to get all your favourite .cab files and exe's (for which you need to use Active sync to install them) ready, as you can't use back-ups from apps like Spb Backup or sprite, to restore your old backups onto a new ROM. Well you can, but you'll have lots of corrupted software and may be putting back what was thoughtfully removed from the cooked ROM.
So a cooked ROM is something made up by an individual to replace the default ROM you get from the seller/manufacturer of the device (all THEIR customized crap).
A base ROM is like the absolute essential parts only, i.e. the WM6 ROM and those apps needed to retain the original functionality of the device as when you bought it....like a stripped down version. Then the developer adds what he thinks will make a fast and stable ROM. In this instance the developer Midget_1990 is doing this for the Athena Project, which was formed and funded by many members of Xda developers and some others from other forums and parts of the world, as this is not the common device for most PPC owners to have and we needed help in getting it unlocked (SIM free and capable of having any HTC Athena ROM being flashed to it, without bricking it).
Olipro (Developer 1 and top notch low-level programmer) has already fulfilled his obligation to the project, by developing and releasing the unlocking tools for the Athena and also made our devices virtually unbrickable due to his clever method of Hard SPL patching the Athena. Thanks Olipro.
Midget_1990 (Dev 2, VGA ROM Cooker) is to use his specialist knowledge of the VGA Universal (he's made some great ROMs!) to make an VGA WM6 based cooked ROM which will enhance and improve the basic functionality of the box-standard WM5 Athenas we originally bought. This is somewhat more time consuming, especially as 'WE' the project contributors and community here, have rather varied requests in what we would like to have in this first ROM. So finding the balance of what works best and doing the actual work and in some cases conversions (i.e. TrueVGA compatibility) is what Midget is up against.
As an incentive both developers were given an Athena each for themselves with an understanding between them and the contributors, that this 2 fold objective could be realized.
We're more than half way there with Olipro's Athena Unlocker and we'll soon have completed our objectives once Midget has released the first Cooked ROM...soon amigos.
So....let's be patient just a little longer and continue to play nice, after all, we will still need Midget to support this or future ROMs for the Athena if it still needs tweaking or amending e.g. Athena Project ROM v0.1 or 1.0, if you follow my drift.
Also it was clearly stated that the devs not be hassled or pressured by anyone, but that has already happened...let's hope no more.
Don't get me wrong friends, if any one is unduly rude or derogative towards you, you have every right to retaliate...only it's not in any ones best interest to argue on these types of forums.
Word to the wise; when this or any other developer releases a ROM in the future, we'd do well to read up well, before asking questions that may have been asked dozens of times before and try to point out what does not work with the ROM and why, if you know, or positive suggestions and feedback.
This is my last long post regarding this project. LoL yeah, thank God!! everyone cheers. ROFL. Seriously though, it's been a bit of a struggle but mostly rewarding and made some really cool new buddies on this forum.
Thanks to all of you in the Athena community and beyond, but most of all a big thanks should go to the financial contributors, without whom this project may never have taken off as soon as it did or even at all.
No more to say.
See you around in the forums.
P.S. If you have something negative to say, please PM who you are not happy with and let's keep this forum as a civilized developers forum for all interested parties.
And one more thing, if I may humbly ask all non-new members or visitors to NOT abuse newbies as they are by no means fools just because they are new to this and deserve our respect.
As others have mentioned before, if someone posts a stupid question or something that has been asked a thousand times, simply point them to the wiki or give them the right keywords to put in the search engine as the wiki is still under development.
Peace & Unity

well said. you should be a moderator mate.

duttythroy said:
well said. you should be a moderator mate.
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agreed.

wOw mackaby007! TrueVGA compatibility??? is it possible? i can't w8 for! i really suggest high rank admins to make u and some others the admins of athena! hope to see u soon! (not u mackaby007! i'm with our little nutty,sweet, cooked ROM!!!)

Mackaby007 -> Very well said. Thank you.

The Only Thing That I Got From This Forum!

HELLO
EVERY DAY SINCE THE ISSUED OF THIS FORUM ----I CHECK IF THERE IS A NEW THING APART FROM HOW TO LIBERATE THE SHIFT AND THERE IS NOTHING
ALOT OF WRITING AND TALKING AND ALOT OF POSTS WICH IS USELES ^_*
NO BODY CN FIGURE OUT ANY NEW THING
NO GPS, SD , RAM ,HD , BLUETOOTH , EVEN THERE IS NO GOOD SOFTWARES FOR UMPC
ALOT OF ROOMS WICH NOT WORKING
IT IS A WASTING TIME FORUM

spoke too soon i guess the terminology, u got a fully fledged working liberated rom for gps, and its a good edition, we have to continue to talk even if no result appears so we can show the honored developers that we are still egger for what ever they are finding so they continue to develope, otherwise they will think theretime is just lost for bunsh of ghosts, if you look at my post onto ways of using ur shift so u can make it more intersting untill that time where u its completly unlocked, i think september is going to be the best month for shift full of good news and following to that xmass time where the big bomb phone being enabled am not ofcourse basing this on any finding nor i have contacted Nostradamos lately , its how i wish things to go

(1) And what did you contribute?

pcangel said:
HELLO
EVERY DAY SINCE THE ISSUED OF THIS FORUM ----I CHECK IF THERE IS A NEW THING APART FROM HOW TO LIBERATE THE SHIFT AND THERE IS NOTHING
ALOT OF WRITING AND TALKING AND ALOT OF POSTS WICH IS USELES ^_*
NO BODY CN FIGURE OUT ANY NEW THING
NO GPS, SD , RAM ,HD , BLUETOOTH , EVEN THERE IS NO GOOD SOFTWARES FOR UMPC
ALOT OF ROOMS WICH NOT WORKING
IT IS A WASTING TIME FORUM
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[2] Do you have better ideas to help this out?

I do not contribute, since I do not know anything of programming, but at least, read and support the work of many, many people, which do it for free. However, one of the things I will never do is demand anything here, only wait patiently.
Since I bought my Tytn two years ago, one of the reasons I bought the Shift (and very soon the Diamond) was the existence of "xda-developers" and the people which is in here.
Please, be more sensible to all of us: read the forum if you like, take and use the software which suits to you, but never, never demand anything here. The only thing you can do is to be grateful to all those unknown people which make possible the existence of this site.
José.

villalain said:
I do not contribute, since I do not know anything of programming, but at least, read and support the work of many, many people, which do it for free. However, one of the things I will never do is demand anything here, only wait patiently.
Since I bought my Tytn two years ago, one of the reasons I bought the Shift (and very soon the Diamond) was the existence of "xda-developers" and the people which is in here.
Please, be more sensible to all of us: read the forum if you like, take and use the software which suits to you, but never, never demand anything here. The only thing you can do is to be grateful to all those unknown people which make possible the existence of this site.
José.
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i agree 100% with you am a user of windows based mobile since 2003 and i still use it because of this forum, it always made any phone i buy worth 4 or 5 times more than its reall value, even the shift now if it coasts 1400
i would say my return value is like that
600 for vista laptop side
300 for winmo side
the remainder is what this site will give me and guess what after 1 year from today the value will be another 900 dollars which is more than the original value where you have bought this phone at

pcangel said:
HELLO
EVERY DAY SINCE THE ISSUED OF THIS FORUM ----I CHECK IF THERE IS A NEW THING APART FROM HOW TO LIBERATE THE SHIFT AND THERE IS NOTHING
ALOT OF WRITING AND TALKING AND ALOT OF POSTS WICH IS USELES ^_*
NO BODY CN FIGURE OUT ANY NEW THING
NO GPS, SD , RAM ,HD , BLUETOOTH , EVEN THERE IS NO GOOD SOFTWARES FOR UMPC
ALOT OF ROOMS WICH NOT WORKING
IT IS A WASTING TIME FORUM
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Firstly, take your caps lock off, it means youre shouting!
Secondly, I have owned a Shift since the day it was released in the UK. these forums have been invaluable to me personally. Using the forums I have: -
Liberated my Shift
Dual Booting my shift with XP
Solved a Wi-fi problem
Taken advice on the dissapearing SD card issues
And will be trying the new ROM
How can you possibly say its a waste of time. Its comments like yours (which are obviously written in anger) that really annoy me. I am not a programmer so I cannot assist with ROMs etc, but I check this forum everyday and I am thankful the guys/gals at XDA-Developers keep this site up and running for FREE for the likes of you and me.
I suggest you get off your high horse and apologise. If it wasnt for the likes of Cmonex, Prof and Febelus (who worked so hard finding XP drivers) sites like XDA-Developers would not exist, then we'd all have to work a lot harder to make our devices more usuable.

pcangel said:
HELLO
EVERY DAY SINCE THE ISSUED OF THIS FORUM ----I CHECK IF THERE IS A NEW THING APART FROM HOW TO LIBERATE THE SHIFT AND THERE IS NOTHING
ALOT OF WRITING AND TALKING AND ALOT OF POSTS WICH IS USELES ^_*
NO BODY CN FIGURE OUT ANY NEW THING
NO GPS, SD , RAM ,HD , BLUETOOTH , EVEN THERE IS NO GOOD SOFTWARES FOR UMPC
ALOT OF ROOMS WICH NOT WORKING
IT IS A WASTING TIME FORUM
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Please if you do not like it think that no one forced you to join.
respect the effort of all the members.
if you cant find anything usefull then try harder to find it, myself I found a lot of things here.
regards
and keep your voice down.

pcangel said:
HELLO
EVERY DAY SINCE THE ISSUED OF THIS FORUM ----I CHECK IF THERE IS A NEW THING APART FROM HOW TO LIBERATE THE SHIFT AND THERE IS NOTHING
ALOT OF WRITING AND TALKING AND ALOT OF POSTS WICH IS USELES ^_*
NO BODY CN FIGURE OUT ANY NEW THING
NO GPS, SD , RAM ,HD , BLUETOOTH , EVEN THERE IS NO GOOD SOFTWARES FOR UMPC
ALOT OF ROOMS WICH NOT WORKING
IT IS A WASTING TIME FORUM
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If you dont submit anything and only like to take you have no right to say anything .
I dont know how to program and therefore Iam very happy with this site it helps me a lot there is a answer here for most problems and there are people here dedicating a lot of there spare time to help us and I suppose themself out . we should salute them not attack them .
There is ofcourse a better solution please stay of this site or keep silent.

Agree with everyone's comments - firstly, please respect the work that has already taken place...it is not insiginificant as you would have us all think. Secondly, liek me you propbably cannot contribute to code work, but you CAN contribute support by discussing experiences no matter how small.
Communities are about sharing, not sitting back waiting for those doing the work to deliver rewards at your feet...wake up...

I guess the most obvious statement would be :
" When you bought the Shift, didnt you know about all its limitations
or do you just want to mooch of contributions to this forum? "
i am so tired of people who buy their devices, expecting the members
of this forum to turn them in to marbels of technology.
I bought the shift because I thought it would be useful for me, and it is.
Any modification, hint or advice from the people here and any contribution
i can make, are god given.
Thank you all for the hard work guys and girls...

Well said!
aquasesh said:
I guess the most obvious statement would be :
" When you bought the Shift, didnt you know about all its limitations
or do you just want to mooch of contributions to this forum? "
i am so tired of people who buy their devices, expecting the members
of this forum to turn them in to marbels of technology.
I bought the shift because I thought it would be useful for me, and it is.
Any modification, hint or advice from the people here and any contribution
i can make, are god given.
Thank you all for the hard work guys and girls...
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aquasesh
You are right. I come here regularly, so that I could learn something and make my devices for better usage by extending and expanding their capabilities. This forum is more educative than anything else. Sometimes you have to wait for a better result. This is not a paid forum or support. Everyone here is putting their free cycles and making these devices more powerful and useful. the more you wait, the more you learn. Majority of times it takes a lot of time, because it is step by step advancement not a single day work, because most of us have to learn and understand device architecture and remove barriers; even a human's birth takes well more than 9 months and patience. There will be people like pcAngel, who would want everything right immediately, well then, they should not buy Shift.
Thank you very much to everyone, who is contributing to make our devices powerful.
My 2 cents
Ram

I find myself as a long time lurker needing to come out from under my rock and finally comment about this quite stereotypical noob troll. From his utterly 733tspeak, caps lock pounding, noob troll bleat we can determine that he most likely is the quintessential internet tough guy that can not afford one of these devices unless he steals it. I am in awe the moron here can find something on the internet other then 2girls1cup and his hand on his snake. That being said, after powering through his 12 year old fresh on a post board rant, I am still lost as to what if anything this troll wants to express other then the " I am entitled to it because I [email protected]#$ing say so" post of the ignorant. That being said I am curious, junior, whether your 12 year old idiot ass, understands what goes into reverse engineering a device ROM and then building a custom built ROM? Please let us know so we can add you to the project.
Jackass...

Well..........
I agree with saiweb, worldpcdude and aquasesh....
What if anything has pcangel contributed? You show your complete ignorance of the device by basically missing the point of XDA altogether...
The likes of pof / thaihugo / cmonex etc that have made invaluable progress for us all in regards to the shift's functionality should be respected and appreciated...
Yes many of us would like things faster but if you can't add to the collective through your own abilities at least have the common courtesy of not showing you complete lack of intelligence by your ill advised, impolite initial post...
If you have nothing constructive to say, spare US ALL (yes I shouted that) your indignant rant and just say NOTHING AT ALL...
Any basic research into the shift would have provided you an understanding of what it would do and where it's shortcomings were and many of us bought a shift (I was one of the first in the UK to have one) with this acceptance...
XDA has shown over many years they are masters at making a device do what it was never designed to / intended to do, and we have all been the better for it.... We need more people like the XDA developers and LESS PEOPLE LIKE YOU...
Blitzspear

Men of Little Faith.......
Someone please inform this fellow that XDA Developers is not a government department. Deep down I have a feeling that the guy never meant what was stated. My gut feeling is that his is bad case of a stale joke. So let us all laugh off the joke and live happily ever after......
I hate cowards. The fellow started this thread and vanished. If he/she/it is serious about the nasty comments why not post a response in defence of his position. He is the type that start bar brawls and quietly slip out while jaws are being broken.
Most of us bought our Shifts with full knowledge of its limitations. We all know the hardware is fantastic but the problem is the supplied software. Its like hTC merely built for us a very nice house but supplied crap furniture. And someone is working on the best formula to get us the perfect furniture for our beautiful house. Can anybody in their right mind start abusing the person who is working on a formula to supply the furniture for free??????
I bet this guy has never made similar rants against hTC. Yet he has the audacity to insult the guys who are working to make the Shift the device that we all yearn for. Methinks the fellow should be bumped off the forum!
Men of little faith!!!!

PlayStation said:
Someone please inform this fellow that XDA Developers is not a government department. Deep down I have a feeling that the guy never meant what was stated. My gut feeling is that his is bad case of a stale joke. So let us all laugh off the joke and live happily ever after......
I hate cowards. The fellow started this thread and vanished. If he/she/it is serious about the nasty comments why not post a response in defence of his position. He is the type that start bar brawls and quietly slip out while jaws are being broken.
Most of us bought our Shifts with full knowledge of its limitations. We all know the hardware is fantastic but the problem is the supplied software. Its like hTC merely built for us a very nice house but supplied crap furniture. And someone is working on the best formula to get us the perfect furniture for our beautiful house. Can anybody in their right mind start abusing the person who is working on a formula to supply the furniture for free??????
I bet this guy has never made similar rants against hTC. Yet he has the audacity to insult the guys who are working to make the Shift the device that we all yearn for. Methinks the fellow should be bumped off the forum!
Men of little faith!!!!
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Just one word for you
THANK YOU *10000000000000
NB: ALSO CAPS ON

pcangel said:
Just one word for you
THANK YOU *10000000000000
NB: ALSO CAPS ON
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That's two words.... if not more.

...the forum done a lot for me.
My Shift changed from useless to useful.
OK, the development is a bit slow, but there are people who do their work on a free base.
Many thanks to them!!!!

pcangel said:
Just one word for you
THANK YOU *10000000000000
NB: ALSO CAPS ON
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LMAO
dude, evidently you didn't read the post, or you might have noticed that he called you for what you are... A Troll.

well....... again..........
Whilst it never gets old insulting a 'troll' could a mod lock this thread or even delete it please.
Blitz

Is the IPAQ 910-12-14 manufactured by HTC?

I ask, because seeing this forum, is the first time I've seen that mentioned.
In another forum (not XDA-dev) I saw the manufacturer listed as Inventec.
And in an HP IPAQ forum. someone asked if the HTC mini-USB to 3.5 or 2.5 audio adapters would work on the IPAQ 910. Someone else answered "no", saying that the HTC mini-USB ports are eleven pin, while the one on this IPAQ is ten pin.
If the phone were made by HTC, I would think that they would use the same kind of mini-USB port, as on their other phones.
Is it known for sure, that the IPAQ 910 was manufactured by HTC?
Has anyone here tried one of the mini-USB audio adapters made for HTC, on their IPAQ 910? If so, how well did it work?
HTC chargers seem to work.
Thanks for your feedback.

no it is not made by HTC.
for audio adapter , see here

keyx said:
no it is not made by HTC.
for audio adapter , see here
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Why is it listed here then, under "Other HTC manufactured phones-Sable"?
So, do you agree with those who say that the mini-USB audio adapters made for HTC phones, will not work well with the IPAQ 910?
It's OK to use the same chargers and sync cables though, no? They seem to work--I hope not harming the phone in some way.

because we don't have other better place to meet & group the threads together haha, so people just just post here for any HP IPAQ i suppose
anyway adapter made for HTC won't work on 91x because the pin-layout is different for audio.
It is ok to use the same cable for charge and sync because the charge and data transfer is a common standard in mini-usb. No audio is defined in the standard so manufacturer define their own-standard

Thanks for the info.
It is weird then, that manufacturers make their own proprietary headphone port, and then do not even make an adapter for it.
Shame on HP for doing so! (At least HTC makes an adapter for theirs, including one that has another mini-USB for charging, and a 2.5 and 3.5 headphone ports.)
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Ha Ha. So the "HTC Sable" is a non-existent phone, an imaginary HTC phone, to list non-HTC phones under, so that the board admins don't know that people are discussing a (GASP!) non-HTC phone on their HTC-only board?
Oops, I hope they don't read this thread!
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By the way, Keyx, since you seem to be very technically knowledgeable, if you have a chance, please take a look at the following thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3619813&posted=1#post3619813
and let me know, if you have any insight into the question.
If I had known about this board, I might have posted it here. Not knowing, I posted it in the general WinMo board.
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HTC Sable exist and made by HTC, it is one of the older IPAQ model, i forgot the model number though
EDITED: look at the text under the main title of this subforum: Also known as HP iPAQ hw69xx (hw6915 / hw6925 / hw6945 / hw6965 / hw6910 / hw6920 / hw6940)
Traditionally a few IPAQ were made by HTC but not 61x/91x this time
I don't have a data plan now so can't really look into DUN issue..may be a few weeks after i can,definitely not now though

keyx said:
because we don't have other better place to meet & group the threads together haha, so people just just post here for any HP IPAQ i suppose
anyway adapter made for HTC won't work on 91x because the pin-layout is different for audio.
It is ok to use the same cable for charge and sync because the charge and data transfer is a common standard in mini-usb. No audio is defined in the standard so manufacturer define their own-standard
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As I mentioned already some time ago, there is a better place. Setup specially for ipaq 614/914 etc .... And ppl waiting to get news
Look here
Dirk

dirlan2001 said:
As I mentioned already some time ago, there is a better place. Setup specially for ipaq 614/914 etc .... And ppl waiting to get news
Look here
Dirk
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There is an IPAQ 910/912/914 forum there now, but zero posts there yet. I guess people are reluctant to post, if they think no one will read and respond there.
Someone has to start posting there........

I used to work on the HTC Juno (T-Mobile Shadow) in the Smartphone General section of xda-developers, and after a year or so they finally gave us our own sub-forum. They may eventually do the same here. You're right that there's a bit of an HTC-only vibe with the way the forum is organized, but certainly I've seen Toshiba and Samsung-manufacturered device ROMs around here too.
The benefits of staying with xda-developers are clear: we use the same tools and methods that are used for HTC devices. Not to mention that despite the new iPAQs having a different manufacturer, they share much of the same kinds of underlying hardware (i.e. Qualcomm chipset, ARM processor). Those who own an HP 61x or a 91x are likely to have owned an HTC device in the past and may own an HTC device in the future. It is nice for us to stay with the same community
The big irony, of course, is that we've seen far more progress on xda-developers for the 61x and the 91x than we have for the (older and uglier) iPAQ h6300, which was actually made by HTC. Just ask brewhoxs - he'll tell you all about how there's no custom ROM developed for that device at all
Maybe rather than jumping to other forums we should put the pressure on xda-devs moderators to give us a sub-forum of our own.

benjaminries said:
I used to work on the HTC Juno (T-Mobile Shadow) in the Smartphone General section of xda-developers, and after a year or so they finally gave us our own sub-forum. They may eventually do the same here. You're right that there's a bit of an HTC-only vibe with the way the forum is organized, but certainly I've seen Toshiba and Samsung-manufacturered device ROMs around here too.
The benefits of staying with xda-developers are clear: we use the same tools and methods that are used for HTC devices. Not to mention that despite the new iPAQs having a different manufacturer, they share much of the same kinds of underlying hardware (i.e. Qualcomm chipset, ARM processor). Those who own an HP 61x or a 91x are likely to have owned an HTC device in the past and may own an HTC device in the future. It is nice for us to stay with the same community
The big irony, of course, is that we've seen far more progress on xda-developers for the 61x and the 91x than we have for the (older and uglier) iPAQ h6300, which was actually made by HTC. Just ask brewhoxs - he'll tell you all about how there's no custom ROM developed for that device at all
Maybe rather than jumping to other forums we should put the pressure on xda-devs moderators to give us a sub-forum of our own.
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Well that's the problem .. the guys at WinMoDev made an agreement with XDA to keep out each others fishingpond. XDA for HTC-phones and WinMoDev for other. Although I must agree I haven't seen much life on WinMo, the forum being many times down for some reason.
So wether we keep 'hiding' in the Sable-forum, or move over depends on the posters and on the readers, of course.
Just my 2c
Dirk

dirlan2001 said:
Well that's the problem .. the guys at WinMoDev made an agreement with XDA to keep out each others fishingpond. XDA for HTC-phones and WinMoDev for other. Although I must agree I haven't seen much life on WinMo, the forum being many times down for some reason.
So wether we keep 'hiding' in the Sable-forum, or move over depends on the posters and on the readers, of course.
Just my 2c
Dirk
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Really? This is the first I've heard of such a mutual no-compete agreement between the voluntary operators of two free forums.
Interesting. Not to toot anyone's horn, but we'd probably get a successful one-shot transition if keyx, sergiorus, ke_steve_le, Montecristo and myself all moved at the same time.
And maybe we should? Except winmodevelopers.co.cc says they are moving to new phpbb forums that will be at winmodevs.com. Plus when I visit the existing site it tries to install an unknown ActiveX control. Not cool!
Haha we should shop around wmexperts.com and ppcgeeks.com for competing trade offers

benjaminries said:
Really? This is the first I've heard of such a mutual no-compete agreement between the voluntary operators of two free forums.
Interesting. Not to toot anyone's horn, but we'd probably get a successful one-shot transition if keyx, sergiorus, ke_steve_le, Montecristo and myself all moved at the same time.
And maybe we should? Except winmodevelopers.co.cc says they are moving to new phpbb forums that will be at winmodevs.com. Plus when I visit the existing site it tries to install an unknown ActiveX control. Not cool!
Haha we should shop around wmexperts.com and ppcgeeks.com for competing trade offers
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Hi,
Here's the topic in which Jay mentionned it ... The forum is still on the original *.forumer.com, so indeed rather confusing.
I use Firefox, no ActiveX seen or heared
Dirk

hey guys
im sorry to see you have had isues with the forum
at one point there was a very confusing time as we were gonna move to another brand of forum but that fell through, as for the downtime that was due to us perfecting the forum
one change that was implemented though as we have taken away all of the device forums this was mainly due to fatc that more and more device makers are bringing out winmo phones this makes it very hard for me and the other admins to keep track of
also we needed a place for non htc android devices to go
HOWEVER
the forum is up and running if you fancy moving there now
http://winmodevs.com
all the non htc devices are still welcome
also just to note the only reason there isnt a lot of posts is because if people dont se others helpoing they wont post so basically i need you devvers to get all you stuff moved over and theyll be a who load of new posters

Good news, here is another video from my country! HD2 runing the WP7!!!

Sorry guys, we still dont know who has the rom, but i guess, she may be a businessman. the reason why she dont want to release the rom is that she just want to raise the prices of HD2. i hate this practice. I have inquired the mobile char, its belong to the Shenzhen City.
You may have already seen the video, but somebody may need it:
Link:http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjIwODU2NzQ0.html

no idea why anyone would want to watch another video of someone else's phone.
The hype over wp7 on hd2 has got totally out of hand. It's not even particularly good on a wp7 phone.
Bored of wobbly videos. They should release it so people here can try it or shut up!

hi, guy, Don’t be so grumpy about it. we just want to confirm that the HD2 can really run WP7, sooner or later they will release the rom, whatever it takes, this is a good news, right?

woion0415 said:
hi, guy, Don’t be so grumpy about it. we just want to confirm that the HD2 can really run WP7, sooner or later they will release the rom, whatever it takes, this is a good news, right?
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+ 1.. let us shut up and wait, Thanks for the effort Sir!

Far out man all these noobs posting last weeks news...
Learn to search and read before posting!!!

Am i just work too hard to make you feel unfomfortable? then shut up man, i am not doing this for you, little extremist!

Don't mean to sound grumpy or put anyone's efforts down.
But its just not news anymore. I think most rational minded people have probably accepted wp7 on hd2 exists. That much we know from Devs inside XDA already.
Yeah I'll try it on hd2 when released.. but I already know I'll use 6.5.3 as my daily driver for a good while to come. WP7 is everything we here should hate given its so locked down - it really isn't worth this fuss!

Ok nice but wheres the link????

DJW6927 said:
Don't mean to sound grumpy or put anyone's efforts down.
But its just not news anymore. I think most rational minded people have probably accepted wp7 on hd2 exists. That much we know from Devs inside XDA already.
Yeah I'll try it on hd2 when released.. but I already know I'll use 6.5.3 as my daily driver for a good while to come. WP7 is everything we here should hate given its so locked down - it really isn't worth this fuss!
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I think one of the reasons people are hungry for news of running Windows Phone 7 on the HTC HD2 is that it is part of the inherent spirit of the original purpose of organizing XDA-Developers in the first place. XDA of course was a brand name used by 02 on the first phones they sold that were manufactured by a relatively young Taiwanese company that had changed its name of Hi Tech Computers to HTC. The original XDA-DEvelopers guys were mostly engineers and were determined to unlock more features of these PDAs, as well as making these PDAs do more than what they were first intended to do. The XDA-Developers guys knew that the more people involved, the more knowledge could be gained and shared.
I still have an old O2 XDA II that is happily running Windows Mobile 6.5.3. It originally came with Windows Mobile 2003, Chinese version. XDA-Developers has allowed this old PDA to have a really extended life.
XDA-Developers has really changed over the years as membership grew. Much civility of the older members is being drowned out by new members, to the point where a noob of a few months calls others noobs and cannot offer any other information than to search.
I enjoy seeing any news on the development of Windows Phone 7 on the HD2; it is similar to when our PDAs running on 2003 could migrate to 2005, and then 6.x
I also appreciate the fact that our friends in China are participating more now. Some of the younger guys there now are really highly trained specialists in areas that pertain to smart phones. And, I appreciate the fact that some of these guys in China are making an effort to keep us updated on any progress that is made there.
I think we should all also remember that for some Chinese it is a daunting challenge to navigate a complex site like XDA-Developers, and that it is not always easy for them to communicate what they really want to when they have to translate from Chinese to English. It is much more difficult to do this than, say, translate a European language into English.
So, hopefully, allowances should be made, and we should all welcome the participation of our Chinese friends. Now, I wish HTC would go back to making truly global phones, rather than regional phones, LOL

Thank you for your understanding.

Thank you for the info, but i can't find the link to the video ^^

Plenty of intelligent comments there. Hey I wouldn't be reading the thread if I wasn't interested in the news.
On the subject of spirit of XDA though - until there's openess and sharing then they're not complying to what this place stands for. Right now its just building publicity and we're all wondering for what gain for them.

DJW6927 said:
Plenty of intelligent comments there. Hey I wouldn't be reading the thread if I wasn't interested in the news.
On the subject of spirit of XDA though - until there's openess and sharing then they're not complying to what this place stands for. Right now its just building publicity and we're all wondering for what gain for them.
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My own personal opinion is that there has been no sharing of the ROM demoed in the videos is that what we saw was actually an earlier test of Windows Phone 7 on the HD2. I am sure you know that the HD2 was used as a testbed for the earlier development of Windows Phone 7. Others have commented on certain elements in the video that appear to be similar to earlier testing ROMs.
So, I guess, in the end, those in China who are in possession of the HD2 running WP7 are not much closer to developing a flashable ROM than others. In short, I think there is no ROM yet to be shared.
I think we also need to distinguish those who filmed the video (who may well be doing it for financial gain) from our Chinese friends who have signed up as members of XDA-Developers. Clearly, there is a major difference between these two groups of people.
Of course, all the above is just my opinion. Your mileage may vary.

You got a good point.

True, patient is a virtue. Please get yourself a seat and wait! Hope that gooooood news pop out soon!

This is an english only forum, please start writing in english before a mod comes here and erases your posts.

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I think we should refrain from making posts in languages other than English as the rules of the forum are that it is an English forum. XDA-Developers moderators tend to get upset when they see other languages!
Other than that, no way will I get involved in flag disputes, but I do love those old Japanese style bath houses in Beitou, just north of Taipei. Really a relaxing experience after debating on XDA-Developers hours on end.
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Hi tell you. My hate japan

Ok, i just talking with my fellow countryman in personal question. Still, it was my fault.

be patient and wait
yah im still happy with my hd2 running android 2.2
btw哥们你跑来这儿发群嘲贴太牛逼了哇

woion0415 said:
Ok, i just talking with my fellow countryman in personal question. Still, it was my fault.
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Preface: The continuity of posts leading to the following mini-essay were rightly deleted by the mods, as those posts contained languages other than English. However, I feel the main points of this mini-essay remain valid. I am not trying to create conflict, but remind others what XDA-Developer is all about: inclusiveness instead of exclusiveness, and technology, not nationality.
Although, due to historical and geographical reasons, I am much more familiar with Traditional Chinese characters, rather than Simplified Chinese characters, I was able to follow the gist of the conversation. Even though the conversation was mostly in jest, it still was somewhat unsettling to me.
Just as I will stand up for you guys in China, so I will do for the Japanese. If you check all the different forums on XDA-Developers you will find many Japanese who have made exceptional contributions to the site and its members. XDA-Developers is really a global tech site, which should remain inclusive rather than exclusive. So, when we log in, I think we should drop our nationalistic preconceptions at the door and get down to the work of concentrating on our devices supported by XDA-Developers. What do you think about that?
In the past I have chastised those who use cheap nationalist jokes against others from another country, and I will do that again. You know that to be a truth, as you have read some of those posts.
I know some of you guys from China have had a bit of a tough time breaking into the social community of XDA-Developers, so I hope you guys don't dish out to others what you suffered when you first joined this site.
Well, that is said and done, and soon to be forgotten.
And, I can climb down from my soapbox again. I think I need a vacation from climbing up and down from that soapbox. It is really tiring me out!
PS. A couple things to always remember, always post in English, don't assume "others" aren't comprehending what you type in your native language, and park nationalist prejudices at the door so that you can truly enjoy what XDA-Developers has to offer without causing conflicts.

HD2 NAND and new keyboard

If you ended up to this thread by just clicking on it, because you thought, it has got something to do with HTC HD2 NAND or New Keyboard, I am really sorry and I do apologize to you.
The only reason I have created this thread is because the way one of the HD2 forum moderators have just deleted a thread I created out of the blue! I could not find who, how and when deleted my thread but it's gone!
I don't just find it unjust but I also found it ridiculously childish behaviour! I nudge or a PM would have made better sense before deleting!
The OLD Thread that is now deleted din't do any flaming or spamming either! All I had asked was If any HTC HD2 developer would be willing to help us lot in TG01 forum in developing Android kernel, the way they helped out here. I din't post it in ROM thread or any other forum. I posted that thread in 'general Q&A' as that was where it fitted the best.
DEAR MODERATOR BEFORE YOU DELETE THIS THREAD AS WELL:
If you read any of this (unlike earlier thread) please CONTACT ME first! Deleting thread only because it's title said TG01 doesn't mean I am stupid enough to write TG01 query in HD2 forum! I have created this thread with HD2 and NAND in title - so that themoderator who can't even be bothered to read into the content will NOT delete this as the title relates to HD2!
To all the users who come to this thread:
I ONLY APPEAL to please be at my place and see this situation! I am not intending to flame, spam or anything! I wanted to ask for help from all HD2 developers so that our android development in TG01 forum which has paused right now due to lack of help and guidance can go forward. After all I thought XDA was all about helping each other out!
I again apologize to all users! I am not writing this thread to cause you any inconvenience. The old thread, had correct title and correct format of posting into XDA forums. I had followed all rules. Only because I asked for help for TG01 forum and not for HD2, it was deleted! Where else can I ask for help from ALL developers at HD2? Can't be sending PMs to hundreds of you lot - that would be spamming!!

Hey
Have you tried sending out just a few pm's to hd2 chefs, maybe someone will point you in the right direction,
also have you also tried the irc channels since your query is a dev related

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Hey
Have you tried sending out just a few pm's to hd2 chefs, maybe someone will point you in the right direction,
also have you also tried the irc channels since your query is a dev related
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Thanks a lot for the response!
Since I wasn't sure who the hd2 chefs are - I couldn't PM them. If you please guide me towards profiles of chefs involved in android port to HD2, I will PM them and see if they are interested in helping us out.
Also, am new to IRC. How do I go about that as well?
Once again, thanks for the answer, and I hope the mods don't delete this thread again before I get some help

drupad2drupad said:
Thanks a lot for the response!
Since I wasn't sure who the hd2 chefs are - I couldn't PM them. If you please guide me towards profiles of chefs involved in android port to HD2, I will PM them and see if they are interested in helping us out.
Also, am new to IRC. How do I go about that as well?
Once again, thanks for the answer, and I hope the mods don't delete this thread again before I get some help
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Hey
Some of the main devs behind the actual HD2 Android port were Cotulla, dcordes, NetRipper, LeTama, Markinus, just to name a few, though i doubt you will get much response (with maybe 1 exception)
As for HD2 chefs, its a bit worrying to hear you say you're not sure who they are, they're fairly easy to find...
head over to the HD2 Android NAND Development sub forum & look at the author of the threads, if he/ she states its their build/rom, there is your HD2 Chef
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1040273
its not for me to suggest any names, just take a random pick, most seem friendly enough someone might able to give you some pointers.
have to say tho, really cant understand why you dont sell up & just buy a dedicated android or if you want something to tinker with, why not a HD2 (it is starting to show its age tho).
Anyways, Goodluck

kam333 said:
Hey
Some of the main devs behind the actual HD2 Android port were Cotulla, dcordes, NetRipper, LeTama, Markinus, just to name a few, though i doubt you will get much response (with maybe 1 exception)
As for HD2 chefs, its a bit worrying to hear you say you're not sure who they are, they're fairly easy to find...
head over to the HD2 Android NAND Development sub forum & look at the author of the threads, if he/ she states its their build/rom, there is your HD2 Chef
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1040273
its not for me to suggest any names, just take a random pick, most seem friendly enough someone might able to give you some pointers.
have to say tho, really cant understand why you dont sell up & just buy a dedicated android or if you want something to tinker with, why not a HD2 (it is starting to show its age tho).
Anyways, Goodluck
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Thank you very much for this answer! It helps a lot!
I am not a chef for HD2 forum roms. I mainly interact in TG01 forums. Hardly pop-in to these forums. Hence had no idea who is very active developer out here. But now the tast seems easier to contact them.
The reason I din't want to sell up (and mostly others out there too) is the contracts. We are tied up in 18-24 months contracts and as much as we hate the bloated OS that our respective carriers have put on this nice piece of hardware, we do want to explore the development on this device to it's max. Hence we were trying to see if someone could help us take the stalled development further on Android.
Most likely TG01 owner might move to android or WP7 in next 6-8 months and then the community might be dead, but android development on this device will bring a new life to enthusiasm

drupad2drupad said:
Thank you very much for this answer! It helps a lot!
I am not a chef for HD2 forum roms. I mainly interact in TG01 forums. Hardly pop-in to these forums. Hence had no idea who is very active developer out here. But now the tast seems easier to contact them.
The reason I din't want to sell up (and mostly others out there too) is the contracts. We are tied up in 18-24 months contracts and as much as we hate the bloated OS that our respective carriers have put on this nice piece of hardware, we do want to explore the development on this device to it's max. Hence we were trying to see if someone could help us take the stalled development further on Android.
Most likely TG01 owner might move to android or WP7 in next 6-8 months and then the community might be dead, but android development on this device will bring a new life to enthusiasm
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+ 10 my friend