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Upgrading: A Way to Escape AIM Charges?

I Hard-SPL'd my Wing and threw Touch-It 4.4 on it. From what I am understanding, this means I can now use my phone with any carrier. Does this also mean that while using it with T-Mobile that they won't be able to charge me for AIM messages that I sent thru wi-fi now? They have a nasty policy of charging for AIM messages even if you send them thru private wifi.

hidavi said:
I Hard-SPL'd my Wing and threw Touch-It 4.4 on it. From what I am understanding, this means I can now use my phone with any carrier. Does this also mean that while using it with T-Mobile that they won't be able to charge me for AIM messages that I sent thru wi-fi now? They have a nasty policy of charging for AIM messages even if you send them thru private wifi.
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You have tp PAY when you are using wifi????
when gprs isn´t connected and you are using wifi - that COULD not happen in my eyes.
BUT often when GPRS is connected AND wifi also the programs go through GPRS!!!!!! ths the problem. allways disconnect GPRS!
there is a liitle app "MoDaCo - Nodata" that prevents GPRS for connecting - if you don´t wish it to...

Trust me. I had the GPRS connection deleted from the connection manager. It could not connect thru there at all. I even called them and they said themselves, "there's a portion of the IM that travels thru T-Mobile" They wouldn't tell me for what, just that it has to. Bull**** because when I'm using hacked AIM 2.0 (they block the official AIM 2.0.), guess what? No AIM charges...
But I hate AIM 2.0. The software is ancient and therefore annoying.

How does Tmobile charge you for the AIM message? As data? As a sms?
Like the other guy, I dont understand how Tmobile would even "know" your aiming if you are doing so via WAN. Hmmmmm strange.

hidavi said:
I Hard-SPL'd my Wing and threw Touch-It 4.4 on it. From what I am understanding, this means I can now use my phone with any carrier. Does this also mean that while using it with T-Mobile that they won't be able to charge me for AIM messages that I sent thru wi-fi now? They have a nasty policy of charging for AIM messages even if you send them thru private wifi.
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what you said means that Hard SPL " Sim Unclock Herald" Is that true? !!!

chris30_2001 said:
How does Tmobile charge you for the AIM message? As data? As a sms?
Like the other guy, I dont understand how Tmobile would even "know" your aiming if you are doing so via WAN. Hmmmmm strange.
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Tmobile's OZ instant messaging application allows you to use AIM, YIM and ICQ .. but the catch is, it uses the text plan in order to avoid having to use a data plan. So people use the IM application then get a bill for 1,000,000 SMS messages and they have no idea where it came from.

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Tmobile's OZ instant messaging application allows you to use AIM, YIM and ICQ .. but the catch is, it uses the text plan in order to avoid having to use a data plan. So people use the IM application then get a bill for 1,000,000 SMS messages and they have no idea where it came from.
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I swear, my OZ messenger would not work if I wasn't on Wifi.

duprade said:
Tmobile's OZ instant messaging application allows you to use AIM, YIM and ICQ .. but the catch is, it uses the text plan in order to avoid having to use a data plan. So people use the IM application then get a bill for 1,000,000 SMS messages and they have no idea where it came from.
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Yeah thats exactly the way I understand it. I figured b/c he was talking about going over wireless he was using IM+ or something.
hidavi, have you tried a third party program like IM+ ??

Doesn't matter, they still charge thru IM+. I know cuz for a whole month I used IM+ thru wifi and I got overaged $80 for AIM messages. I swear, if I'm not on data or wifi, my IMs won't go thru, not thru OZ not thru IM+.

This is from a product review
What I didn't know is that it is not a true online instant messenger application. Behind the scenes, it sends instant messages using SMS, and on the other person's end, repackages those SMS messages into the IM application. It seems like a novel idea, but the side effects are awful: OZ Messenger's ability to stay "connected" for chat, report the online/offline status of others, and report YOUR status as online/offline is hit or miss. Sending and receiving messages is also very unreliable. During the three days I struggled through this, roughly half of my messages weren't sent due to a "network error", despite having 4 or 5 bars and a full EDGE connection. (Side note - I'm also worried T-Mobile will bill me for SMS usage when I used this instant messenger)

hidavi said:
Doesn't matter, they still charge thru IM+. I know cuz for a whole month I used IM+ thru wifi and I got overaged $80 for AIM messages. I swear, if I'm not on data or wifi, my IMs won't go thru, not thru OZ not thru IM+.
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Wow doode.....that sucks....

Well, I'm not getting charged nowadays since I'm using hacked AIM 2.0, but I really wish this program had a Today plugin and a easier to use interface...

From what I found in the guts of the registry, OzIM uses a T-Mobile server as a portal for the IM system. Since every IM you send filters through their server, they have full control to see where and what you are sending, saying, seeing, etc, even if you are on a WiFi connection.
I've seen several recommendations for alternate IM systems that Don't Suck. Slick was recommended by somebody, but I haven't personally tried it yet.

verizon releases mobileim for windows mobile

along with the xv6800 update and vzwnavigator, verizon has also released mobileim for windows mobile. its an IM client that uses text messages for communication. so now you can send ims from aim, live messenger, or yahoo, on the verizon network without using data. however, it does consume sms messages, but thats not bad if you have an unlimited messaging plan and no data plan (like me)
EDIT: Upon testing the software I noticed that the software initiates a data connection. According to the download page it only uses sms messages. going to call verizon tomorrow morning and find out whats actually going on. (i really had hoped that this would be like the get it now mobile im, as i mentioned before, i have no data plan. unfortunaty for me it started using the data network)

I installed and tried it a few days ago. The interface is clean. But you can't be logged in to more than one account at once. If you're on Yahoo IM and receive a message on AIM, you must exit Yahoo IM to read the new message. I prefer an integrated program, like JiveTalk or IM+.
I have unlimited data but a very modest allotment of phone minutes; since I knew I'd be using the Web and JiveTalk extensively, I didn't pay extra to get free SMS. For me, the new Verizon IM service would cost, right?
Does anyone know whether it accepts file transfers? I think it does not.

I tried to have a PDA phone with no data plan for a while... I had a text message plan and thought that it would cover me. I then noticed that when I sent/received a text message my data would connect.
I called VZW and they indicated that on a smart phone, when you send or receive a text message you use data... on a non-smart phone you consume minutes. Either way you pay two times to send or receive text messages.
Verizon does have a 29.99 unlimited data plan... I would suggest that... 1 MB of data with no data plan is like $15 bucks.

Ah, great: Since I have the $30 data plan, I can use this Verizon app for free. I think I'll try it out, if only to advise my friends whether to use it or a third-party app like my beloved BeeJive JiveTalk.

Do you have a cab? i can't find the download for this and my girlfriend is dying to have aim on her touch

lol.
this is funny. verizon not happy only with getting their money-hungry grips on gps but now they're tryin' to leech the instant messaging too... seriously, this is why i got a pda in the first place, cuz it's the only platform verizon isn't locking down and forcing you to use their money-sucking apps. now they're clearly trying to corner that market as well.

Picture Messaging On The Touch

im sure that there might be a thread for this already ..... but ive been lazy and i havent asked sprint about it ... but is the touch capable of mobile to mobile picture messaging .. everytime i wanna send a pic the selctions i get are only able to send to email... i cant select to send to a contact... is it jus cuz i cant figure it out or is the touch incapable of mobile to mobile pix messaging

mms is not yet available on sprint. in the future, you can use the search button located on the top right of this page.

there is, but since you're lazy about it maybe you should try kngtut79's advice and try searching.

you can use dashwire. I am on Bell CDMA in Canada and it allows you to send a sms to your contacts as a link to the picture which is the closest I have come to so far. Hope that helps www.dashwire.com

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=22509
works great

Verizon
dave032766 said:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=22509
works great
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Does anyone know if there is a program like this for Verizon?
Erik

erikcave said:
Does anyone know if there is a program like this for Verizon?
Erik
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Yeah, it's called MMS, it's stock!

Not without data
TheChampJT said:
Yeah, it's called MMS, it's stock!
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Verizon MMS requires data usage to send or recieve pictures and video. I am specifically looking for a program to send and recieve MMS messages without using data. The program linked above, called sMMS, does it without using data.

erikcave said:
Verizon MMS requires data usage to send or recieve pictures and video. I am specifically looking for a program to send and recieve MMS messages without using data. The program linked above, called sMMS, does it without using data.
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This will not work for you then, it still uses data, and you need the Sprint Picture Messaging, which is of course not available for VZW users.
Verizon charges you for a MMS like it's a SMS. If not it's $0.20/msg, the package for, I believe, 250 SMS is $5/mo.

TheChampJT said:
This will not work for you then, it still uses data, and you need the Sprint Picture Messaging, which is of course not available for VZW users.
Verizon charges you for a MMS like it's a SMS. If not it's $0.20/msg, the package for, I believe, 250 SMS is $5/mo.
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I have unlimited texting, but was told that smartphones on Verizon don't use MMS, instead they use data somehow.

erikcave said:
I have unlimited texting, but was told that smartphones on Verizon don't use MMS, instead they use data somehow.
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You are referring to the xv6900 right.....

Sprint Windows Mobile Users. Picture Mail Officially Available. Just Remember To Add Picture Mail To Your Plan.
http://softwarestore.sprint.com/wap/picturemail.php
EDIT: WORKS BETTER IF YOU JUST GO THROUGH THE LINK ON YOUR MOBILE PHONE FOR DETECTING REASONS. OTHERWISE JUST FIND YOUR PHONE, GO TO FREE/TRIAL>PICTURE MAIL

I`ve been trying for a couple weeks now to get MMS working on my Touch. I got a thread going but no luck in fixing it. I came across this today though http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=35616. I called Alltel after I changed the setting, but the MMS network happened to be down at the time, so I don`t know if the setting work since nobody could send any at the time. The representative talked to the advance service tech and googled it as well, but neither could figure it out. I`m gonna call back tonight ( they said the network should be up by then) on a different phone to see if they can diagnose it. It kinda sounds like a problem with flashing roms. I know it worked for me before I started flashing, but it also happens even when you flash to an official alltel rom with a locked phone as in the case with my brother`s touch. When I upgraded his radio his stopped working. Perhaps its a network problem, hell I read that Sprint took it away from there users.

Unlimited Internet + 400 Text messages

Ok... so I have heard that IM counts as a text message but to me that doesn't make sense because that is internet and part of the data package. With IM clients on my tilt it just went thru the internet and never charged me as a text message. Does anyone know how that will work?

Yeah the only bad thing about this phone so far is the messaging and data.....weird to pay so much when ive only been paying 20 for data since 04

rantrav said:
Yeah the only bad thing about this phone so far is the messaging and data.....weird to pay so much when ive only been paying 20 for data since 04
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exactly... and if you look we are basically paying for the $20 internet + the $4.99 for 400 text. So I guess it's fair if you get text but for someone like me that get's about 2 text messages a month I don't care about the 400 text.... just give me internet.

dagentooboy said:
exactly... and if you look we are basically paying for the $20 internet + the $4.99 for 400 text. So I guess it's fair if you get text but for someone like me that get's about 2 text messages a month I don't care about the 400 text.... just give me internet.
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im wondering how this is going to change my plan.....i have 4 lines and unlimited txt and data so on.......it says that once i change it to the g1 stuff it will change my account.........so what does this mean exactly?????

rantrav said:
im wondering how this is going to change my plan.....i have 4 lines and unlimited txt and data so on.......it says that once i change it to the g1 stuff it will change my account.........so what does this mean exactly?????
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What everyone here and at tmonews have been saying is this:
Your shared voice plan won't change unless you choose to. When you add the G1, you add a G1 data plan...regardless. You'd add the lower-priced plan of the two available to yours and when you go over on SMS, it'll draw from your shared pool you already have. So your bill will probably go up an extra $25/month.

GoogleTalk does work as part of the data package, so it's 'unlimited'; the others will cost you a text message for each IM sent and received. I'm hoping MS will slap Google by launching a data based IM client. Until the G1, I didn't know Google had a chat client. I looked up a review on CNET that referred to it as the 'cheap motel room of chat software'. It's definitely basic, which doesn't really matter -- but -- no one uses it.
FYI -- GoogleTalk is somewhat integrated with AIM, however, on the G1 you won't be able to add AIM chat buddies to GoogleTalk -- you have to chat with them via the AIM buddy list, and pay (or use one of your 400 texts) to chat with them.
If you do a lot of non-GoogleTalk IM-ing, you're better off with the unlimted data/messaging plan.
dagentooboy said:
Ok... so I have heard that IM counts as a text message but to me that doesn't make sense because that is internet and part of the data package. With IM clients on my tilt it just went thru the internet and never charged me as a text message. Does anyone know how that will work?
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When i spoke to the G1 representatives (i spoke with 3 different ones) they said that the $25 plan has a certain function that the $20 plan doesnt this function is suppose to register your device to google with a gmail account. one of the reps clam it has to register through the 3G network, not the edge or gprs; and the 3G is available in the $25 and $35 plan.
but what i theorize is, if its possible to change android to wm then you can switch back to the $20 plan. otherwise, according to the 3 reps, tmobile is trying to create a plan just for the G1 for data and they said it would be priced around $20.

But if you did that, it would defeat the purpose of getting a G1 in the first place. You'd have a cheaper data plan, but you'd have an OS that couldn't use all the hardware the phone has to its best abilities.

Something you'll also be getting along with your new G1: a new SIM card. It's required to access 3G service, and once initialized, will replace your exisiting one.
There's no 'function of the 3G' plan that relates to Gmail, however, it is a function of the G1 device -- you won't be able to initialize and use it when you first power it on without a Gmail address (or a hosted Google Apps login). 3G will work Gmail-free with any compatible device, if you have the $25/$35 service; Gmail is required only if you have a G1.
statixchaos said:
When i spoke to the G1 representatives (i spoke with 3 different ones) they said that the $25 plan has a certain function that the $20 plan doesnt this function is suppose to register your device to google with a gmail account. one of the reps clam it has to register through the 3G network, not the edge or gprs; and the 3G is available in the $25 and $35 plan.
but what i theorize is, if its possible to change android to wm then you can switch back to the $20 plan. otherwise, according to the 3 reps, tmobile is trying to create a plan just for the G1 for data and they said it would be priced around $20.
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benjimen said:
Something you'll also be getting along with your new G1: a new SIM card. It's required to access 3G service, and once initialized, will replace your exisiting one.
There's no 'function of the 3G' plan that relates to Gmail, however, it is a function of the G1 device -- you won't be able to initialize and use it when you first power it on without a Gmail address (or a hosted Google Apps login). 3G will work Gmail-free with any compatible device, if you have the $25/$35 service (and the new SIM card); Gmail is required only if you have a G1.
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so we use our old sim to log in and upload contacts and then use new one???

rantrav said:
so we use our old sim to log in and upload contacts and then use new one???
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that's another thing I wanted to know... and is the new sim special (more storage or different format) in any way or is it just a set of S/Ns that get 3G? What happens to people that aren't in a 3G area? How do I sync my old contacts to my google account?

dagentooboy said:
How do I sync my old contacts to my google account?
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to prepare for getting this device i connected my device to nuevasync and got all my calendars, contacts, etc synced with my google services. now when I get the device all i will need to do is enter in my gmail account info and all my old contacts/calendars will be there.

Getting the $20 data only plan is gonna be easy. I've done stuff like this allot with my MDA. If some feature i want isn't automatically avaible for my phone, i either temperaily slip my sim card into another phone and log back into my.t-mobile.com to switch features, or just click the "This isn't my phone" link at the top of the page and tell them it's really something else. Once the features are changed the way i like them, switch back to my real phone and the features stick the way i wanted them.
I really doubt the data with the $25 is any different then the $20 plan. Verizon did the same thing with smartphones requiring an unlimited data plan cause they didn't want people complaining the phone didn't work or getting huge data bills cause they used the internet without a plan. (i know t-mobile doesn't work that way, but...)

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Something you'll also be getting along with your new G1: a new SIM card. It's required to access 3G service, and once initialized, will replace your exisiting one.
There's no 'function of the 3G' plan that relates to Gmail, however, it is a function of the G1 device -- you won't be able to initialize and use it when you first power it on without a Gmail address (or a hosted Google Apps login). 3G will work Gmail-free with any compatible device, if you have the $25/$35 service (and the new SIM card); Gmail is required only if you have a G1.
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I'd like some confirmation about this one. It's something no one else is talking about. I know the manual talks about a new SIM, but most T-Mobile phones ship with new SIM cards if you're a new customer. Others, if you buy in the store, they keep the SIM card that comes with the phone. Same goes for re-upping with a new phone online. They take the SIM out before shipment.

Did T-Mobile Raise Internet Rates?
rantrav said:
Yeah the only bad thing about this phone so far is the messaging and data.....weird to pay so much when ive only been paying 20 for data since 04
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To echo what everyone else said already... (I need to tell SOMEONE to keep from going crazy!)... T-mobiles Internet rates are the SAME as they have been for 10 years.... $20 a month. It is just with the G1 they are making you buy 400 texts or unlimited text and bundling it in. Sure ATT is $30 a month. Then you have to ADD another $15 for texts.
T-mobile still rocks everyone else.

This plan is not to bad but I do need to get the unlimited texting...

texasaggie1 said:
To echo what everyone else said already... (I need to tell SOMEONE to keep from going crazy!)... T-mobiles Internet rates are the SAME as they have been for 10 years.... $20 a month. It is just with the G1 they are making you buy 400 texts or unlimited text and bundling it in. Sure ATT is $30 a month. Then you have to ADD another $15 for texts.
T-mobile still rocks everyone else.
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Amen to that! Unless you were grandfathered in on some special rate plan, this new plan is exactly the same rates as you would be paying- so why is everyone so pi$$ed?! Still cheaper than anything else, and faster now.
(waits for someone to say "...but we cant tether!" LMAO)

gospeed.racer said:
Amen to that! Unless you were grandfathered in on some special rate plan, this new plan is exactly the same rates as you would be paying- so why is everyone so pi$$ed?! Still cheaper than anything else, and faster now.
(waits for someone to say "...but we cant tether!" LMAO)
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WAIT! BUT WE CANT TETHER HAHAH...im not pissed i just wanna know how this will affect my plan that i already have...i have 4 lines with unlimited txt...i know that my data plan will switch over but...will this unlimited txt replace it for my whole plan or just this phone???? i guess i could call..but i am lazy and will wait to find out

luckily
G1 data service can be used with other phone used as modem, or data card
you can even add VPN tag with it (will use internet3 APN)
have a regular 3G phone or data card ready if you have laptop

400 Text Messages.. Tethering
I Just think T-Mobile forgot the consider the customers who have family plan. Most people who have family plan do end up getting the unlimited Messaging plan.
So that 400 text messages are basically waste. or thats a way they are trying to extra money...
T-Mobile puts alot of effort into Customer Service. So i am sure they will fix that ust like they changed the 1Gb Cap for 3G
But for Tethering.. Just give it some time maybe a month or so.. I will assure someone will definetly create a app to make the phone work as a modem. Even they announced that in the conference...

T-mobile Visual Voicemail

Looks like someone managed to get an unofficial release of t-mobile's wm6.5 which now has visual voicemail, they extracted the files for it and im wondering if anyone has the capabilities of creating a cab file from this. Check out this post for the files http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5302910&postcount=13

datrada said:
Looks like someone managed to get an unofficial release of t-mobile's wm6.5 which now has visual voicemail, they extracted the files for it and im wondering if anyone has the capabilities of creating a cab file from this. Check out this post for the files http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5302910&postcount=13
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5306032&postcount=24

Doesn't Work yet.
I just tried calling T-Mo and asked to enable Visual Voicemail and they said it is not available. Rumors say might be able to convince them to enable it if you say that you have an android phone and would like the android data plan but I don't know what the implications of that are. Personally until people start reporting an efficient way to get it working or T-Mo officially releases it I'm going to stick with Phone Fusion for now.

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I just tried calling T-Mo and asked to enable Visual Voicemail and they said it is not available. Rumors say might be able to convince them to enable it if you say that you have an android phone and would like the android data plan but I don't know what the implications of that are. Personally until people start reporting an efficient way to get it working or T-Mo officially releases it I'm going to stick with Phone Fusion for now.
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All depends on what current data/messaging plan you have...
I had the $35 unlimited data/messaging 'Smartphone' plan, switched to the MyTouch Unlimited Data/Messaging plan for the same amount and was able to activate VVM no problem.

Love it.
I started seeing that as a trend over in the other thread so I have updated my phone on the tmobile site to a MyTouch and changed to the android data plan. T-Mobile Visual Voice Mail works great. Absolutely better then Phone Fusion.

sancmat said:
I started seeing that as a trend over in the other thread so I have updated my phone on the tmobile site to a MyTouch and changed to the android data plan. T-Mobile Visual Voice Mail works great. Absolutely better then Phone Fusion.
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+1 on that, I never liked Phonefusion, even the Android version sucked

Downloaded visual voicemail from here and worked fine after installed and restarted phone.

will this work for att

It will not work with ATT. it is a service from T-Mobile.

well i still cannot get it to work. do i need to have tmobile switch me to the android data plan? i have a my att touchpro unlocked for tmobile.
it says that I do not have the visual voicemail feature enabled....thats my error

cediesaid said:
well i still cannot get it to work. do i need to have tmobile switch me to the android data plan? i have a my att touchpro unlocked for tmobile.
it says that I do not have the visual voicemail feature enabled....thats my error
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how many lines are on your plan? you may be selecting the wrong one. thats what i did. figured it out after 10 tries

Go to my t-mobile.com,select plan & services under manage,click on change services then scroll down to check visual voicemail.It will state that its free but you have to submit the changes and then it will work.Did mine about 2hrs ago.

molten83 said:
Go to my t-mobile.com,select plan & services under manage,click on change services then scroll down to check visual voicemail.It will state that its free but you have to submit the changes and then it will work.Did mine about 2hrs ago.
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thank u soo much now this sounds like it will work

cediesaid said:
thank u soo much now this sounds like it will work
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well wait. i do not see anywhere to choose visual voicemail. should i change my phone selection? visual voicemail is not an option to change services....

nevermind thats what i needed to do yayyy! hopefully it works now! thanks sooo much!

Ok,try changing your phone to my touch 3g and it surely will work.

I called in last night and had it activated on my phone. The employee had to have their supervisor put it on because according to their system TP2 does not support it and therefore I must have been using a 3rd party app which is unsupported, but working anyway!

T-mo VISUAL voicemail synchronization
Does the t-mo VISUAL voicemail automatically synchronizes and updates its list with a new VM or does one have to do it manually each time a new msg is received?

I have the 5.99 t-zones data plan. If change my phone to the my touch 3g, it is going to require a different data plan. Will my account get flagged in a negative way?
This would be a fun feature to have, but I am willing to not use it if it's going to require me to upgrade from t-zones.
Any help or feedback is appreciated!
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So I'm talking with the reps and they are saying if they switch to MyTouch and Adriod plan that Internet on the Tpro wont work possibly, I assume that is BS and they are only saying that for support reasons yes?