Hi, I am very curious about the new iPhone's ability to record video at VGA 30fps having only a 3.0 MP camera onboard. If that is possible for iPhone 3G S, would that not also be possible for HTC Dream? Is this a software issue or a hardware issue? I always thought that VGA recording is only possible for phones with 5MP quality or something.
Would appreciate if someone can explain to me this part of Video Recording. Thank you!
The mega pixels really doesn't have anything to do with the frames p/s recording rate. While something of a better quality can be achieved at 30 p/s I would not think it too essential for a phone and 24 is more than adequate. If one is trying to shoot a movie, then I would imagine that a video cam would be a little better I think it is really just hype... ooooh my iPhone can record at 30 frames p/s ... trust me it's not a big deal really.
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I know the people here are very talented and I hope someone can help. I had high hopes for the video recording on this phone. When the reviews came out I was very disappointed in both the pic and video quality. Every 8 mega pixel camera phone out there beats it. Even the 1 year old Omnia HD. I can live with the pic quality but the video quality is what really frustrates me. Yea it records in 800x480 but whats the point if its pixelated and washed out. Not to mention the highest frame rate it can go to is 26fps. Ohh and the audio quality is horrendous. When the Omnia HD came out it also suffered from bad audio quality but in a later update they addressed the issue. Most phones coming out now record in AAC audio which the Incredible obviously doesn't. I just wish someone can up the frame rate to 30fps, give the video a higher bitrate, and change the audio to AAC. IF you have spare time can you unlock the 720p recording.
I'm just curious and want to know if the hardware in the HD2 is capable of higher quality video recording
OK so I have been looking at other phones with a 5MP camera and they can record video higher than 640x480.
One example is the N900. It can record up to 848x480.
Another example, the Droid can record 720x480.
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Why are you posting multiple threads asking the same question (i.e., the other thread here)? You think someone will magically say yes?
For Windows Mobile, it is unlikely you'll see anyone develop any improved drivers for higher resolution video camera recording.
If you're unhappy with this fact, sell the phone and buy the phone that comes with the resolution you want to record at if video recording is so important to you. Didn't you even do your homework prior to buying the HD2?
I only asked if the hardware is capable of a higher resolution.
The hardware.
Read before you answer, ty.
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I'm just curious and want to know if the hardware in the HD2 is capable of higher quality video recording
OK so I have been looking at other phones with a 5MP camera and they can record video higher than 640x480.
One example is the N900. It can record up to 848x480.
Another example, the Droid can record 720x480.
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Do you really feel the HD2 video recoring its bad. I maybe used the recoring on my phone maybe 4 times in my entire life. The recording its above decent. There might be a hack for it but I doubt people actually dislike the quality of it
It's not so much a question of hardware as it is a question of software and drivers.
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It's not so much a question of hardware as it is a question of software and drivers.
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Well it could be a hardware issue too. most camera sensors have a still picture mode and a video mode. If the video mode is only designed to do 640x480 then that's all your gona get. Sure an app may be able to be written to capture video frame by frame in still pic mode, but can the camera take pics that fast? does the sensor module to motherboard link have the bandwidth to do 5mpixel at 30fps? i doubt it. im guessing that the link between the module and motherboard is either an I2C serial bus or maybe just standard USB, Though in video mode the camera module itself might be doing the mp4 encoding, taking that workload off the CPU, if you tried to capture frame by frame, then your going to have the CPU convert either the raw data or jpeg data from the module into a video format.
I firmware hack or mod for the camera module might be able to enable say 720p video output from the module, but i find it doubtful that anyone is going to get their hands on that firmware and we dont even know if it is "field programmable"
i remember that the nexus one could do 720... is it possible to do that with the hd2...
Well Im sure if it can be done it will, but as it stands that's seen as a luxury (720p) and not really a necessity. We still need fully functional camcorder..
Here's to hoping though!
The hardware is there, we just need a little help from developers.
Hmmm more to HD than resolution methinks
While I'm all for our devices doing more and unlocking their full potential, have you actually seen sample nexus one "720p" videos? It looks like badly upscaled 480p video (which in reality it probably is...). For me, 720p recording and playback ain't that big a deal when the gain in quality is so minimal in terms of the larger files. But I could totally go for some 720p video playback if for nothing more than bragging rights
If you think 720 resolution is going to dramatically improve video quality then you are mistaken. You will just have a larger version of the same video. The quality really hinges on the lens and our lens is not the best.
Is there a custom ROM or even a simple app possible that can capture 720P video at LEAST 25fps for the Evo? I have yet to be able to capture anything better than 22fps. It's unacceptable. Also the audio quality is TERRIBLE. 8Khz? Seriously HTC?
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Is there a custom ROM or even a simple app possible that can capture 720P video at LEAST 25fps for the Evo? I have yet to be able to capture anything better than 22fps. It's unacceptable. Also the audio quality is TERRIBLE. 8Khz? Seriously HTC?
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HTC Phones are good but the camera is very poor. If it was recording at 25fps it would still suck... Droid X does 720p recording very well like a mini camcorder. I have HTC Desire..
I managed to get around 30fps..
Audio still poor though
But here's how you do, go to Camera(not video, photo!), change ISO -> 800 (not Auto), then -> Video recording, and it should be more stabile and higher fps.
Regards.
This has been bugging the hell out of me since I got this phone. All the reviews made such a huge deal out of the phones camera quality and capabilities. But upon using it myself.. I am not all that impressed. When I record a video in say 1280x720, the resulting video always looks like it was recorded in say 800x450 or something along those lines. No matter what bitrate I choose, it looks like a lower resolution. You can't zoom the video hardly without it degrading. Go ahead, try zooming on some text in 720P. Now compare it to 720P on some other phone. Now, when I record in say 1920x1080, the resulting video looks like it was recorded in 720p, not 1080.
I have 720p videos I recorded from my Galaxy S4 that look FAR FAR better than so called 720p on the V20. It seems like the camera on the V20 is UPSCALING the video recording output to the next highest resolution than what is ACTUALLY being recorded. 720p appears as 480p, 1080p appears as 720p etc. As someone who is picky about quality, this has been a major blow since I got this phone. I am surprised no one has ever posted about this.
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This has been bugging the hell out of me since I got this phone. All the reviews made such a huge deal out of the phones camera quality and capabilities. But upon using it myself.. I am not all that impressed. When I record a video in say 1280x720, the resulting video always looks like it was recorded in say 800x450 or something along those lines. No matter what bitrate I choose, it looks like a lower resolution. You can't zoom the video hardly without it degrading. Go ahead, try zooming on some text in 720P. Now compare it to 720P on some other phone. Now, when I record in say 1920x1080, the resulting video looks like it was recorded in 720p, not 1080.
I have 720p videos I recorded from my Galaxy S4 that look FAR FAR better than so called 720p on the V20. It seems like the camera on the V20 is UPSCALING the video recording output to the next highest resolution than what is ACTUALLY being recorded. 720p appears as 480p, 1080p appears as 720p etc. As someone who is picky about quality, this has been a major blow since I got this phone. I am surprised no one has ever posted about this.
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Iv noticed it, but I brushed it off as I felt nothing could be done to fix by me or other devs that I am/was aware of. Now that I think if it more from your words, maybe could be fixed by overclocking the 4k to 6k, or 8k, to get a 4k resolution. Need root to try this though.
Well, at least I'm not the only one who noticed. Is it the same way on Oreo? I mean, did the update "fix" anything related to video recording resolution or is it still upscaled? (I'm still on 7.0 Nougat for battery reasons, but if 8.0 has a video improvement.. well, game changer). This seems like false advertising meant to try and push 4k capability when it really couldn't. If the camera really isn't capturing 4K, then does that mean it would be too much a burden on the hardware to actually be pulling 30 4k FPS ...VS 30 1080P FPS upscaled to 4K?
Are you talking about the quality on Google photos, or the out of camera quality?
have you tried exporting it to your computer via USB? Cos, for some reason the quality and resolution are lower on G Photos.
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Well, at least I'm not the only one who noticed. Is it the same way on Oreo? I mean, did the update "fix" anything related to video recording resolution or is it still upscaled? (I'm still on 7.0 Nougat for battery reasons, but if 8.0 has a video improvement.. well, game changer). This seems like false advertising meant to try and push 4k capability when it really couldn't. If the camera really isn't capturing 4K, then does that mean it would be too much a burden on the hardware to actually be pulling 30 4k FPS ...VS 30 1080P FPS upscaled to 4K?
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I don't think a burden but more of how's it's coded. 4K on tripod is hard to tell vs 1080p. Note 3 was same way. Oreo cam may be better but I can't really tell. Idk why 16mp is not fully utilized for 4K 16:9 either. Coding that I personally don't know how to do. Slow mo don't even have sound via stock cam.
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Are you talking about the quality on Google photos, or the out of camera quality?
have you tried exporting it to your computer via USB? Cos, for some reason the quality and resolution are lower on G Photos.
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Camera output. That is, the resulting video file from the camera after pressing record button.
I know there is a loss of quality from compression. But it's not compression artifacts causing this. Bitrate doesn't make any difference. You can clearly see the video detail is not even close to what it says it is. I especially noticed this with text. I was recording a video while in a car. There was a car maybe 1-2 car lengths ahead. One can easily read the license plate. In the recorded 1280x720 video, I could NOT make out the plate at all. You'd thought I recorded in 960x540 or close. It's rather blurry. I think that's why LG added all that oversharpening.
I even set it to take photos at 1280x720. And even with high jpg compression zoomed/cropped, it doesn't look like the 1280x720 zoomed/cropped video of the same exact item being photo'd.
Been using Mark Harmons OpenCamera and trying all sorts of video bitrates. Then changing photo save resolution. I found that a photo resolution of between 960x540 and 800x480 (cropped) looks very similar to what a cropped 720P video appears. It seems as if there is some kind of preprocessing going on with the image that makes it appear extremely muddy (smudged blurry detail cropped). Nothing at all changed with the quality whether the bitrate was set at 5Mbps or 50Mbps. Quality remained unchanged.
Mysticblaze347. I don't think a burden but more of how's it's coded. 4K on tripod is hard to tell vs 1080p. Note 3 was same way. Oreo cam may be better but I can't really tell. Idk why 16mp is not fully utilized for 4K 16:9 either. Coding that I personally don't know how to do. Slow mo don't even have sound via stock cam.
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Sounds like Oreo update isn't worth the trouble. As far as how it's coded... I think it's the awful preprocessing muddying up the image detail as I mentioned above. Using massively high bitrates does no good at all.
4K on tripod VS 1080 on tripod is quite noticeable on the V20 due to the appearance of upscaling (or horrible preprocessing.. whichever it is).
I didn't know Slo-Mo was supposed to have sound. I mean, the option to enable sound would be interesting (say a time-stretched audio instead of slowed down pitch).
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Camera output. That is, the resulting video file from the camera after pressing record button.
I know there is a loss of quality from compression. But it's not compression artifacts causing this. Bitrate doesn't make any difference. You can clearly see the video detail is not even close to what it says it is. I especially noticed this with text. I was recording a video while in a car. There was a car maybe 1-2 car lengths ahead. One can easily read the license plate. In the recorded 1280x720 video, I could NOT make out the plate at all. You'd thought I recorded in 960x540 or close. It's rather blurry. I think that's why LG added all that oversharpening.
I even set it to take photos at 1280x720. And even with high jpg compression zoomed/cropped, it doesn't look like the 1280x720 zoomed/cropped video of the same exact item being photo'd.
Been using Mark Harmons OpenCamera and trying all sorts of video bitrates. Then changing photo save resolution. I found that a photo resolution of between 960x540 and 800x480 (cropped) looks very similar to what a cropped 720P video appears. It seems as if there is some kind of preprocessing going on with the image that makes it appear extremely muddy (smudged blurry detail cropped). Nothing at all changed with the quality whether the bitrate was set at 5Mbps or 50Mbps. Quality remained unchanged.
Sounds like Oreo update isn't worth the trouble. As far as how it's coded... I think it's the awful preprocessing muddying up the image detail as I mentioned above. Using massively high bitrates does no good at all.
4K on tripod VS 1080 on tripod is quite noticeable on the V20 due to the appearance of upscaling (or horrible preprocessing.. whichever it is).
I didn't know Slo-Mo was supposed to have sound. I mean, the option to enable sound would be interesting (say a time-stretched audio instead of slowed down pitch).
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Who wouldn't want sound with slow mo? That's like no sound with regular video lol.
LG also made it to where 4k can barely be done via third party. Gcam can't...Open Cam can. Nothing can be done without root tho. Even then... limitations upon availability and know how. Manual setting is your best bet. Auto is well...auto, so definitely postprocessing will be involved and yes it's not the best, unless fixed with some mod, even if that works. LG hardcoded lockdowns. Camera firmware can be possible tweaked...but I do not know how.