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apps2sd or no?

i'm confused about this. i've seen people recently saying that apps2sd is no longer needed, but lots of people still run it.
i currently run dwangs latest 1.6 rom, and its blazing fast... does this have apps2sd built in? if it doesnt, why do people say its no longer needed? i also run ra recovery console 1.2.2. if dwangs doesnt have it built in, all i need to do to move to it is click the link in my console right? (i already formatted fat32/ext2)

It's not needed for the Magic because it has enough internal memory for your apps. Many ROMs are developed primarily for the G1 which has less space and hence could do with apps being stored on the SD.
I recently removed all partitions from my SD so the apps are now on the phone and also there is no swap. With the latest Cyanogen ROMs I have found this to be a more stable setup, don't think I'll ever partition the SD again.

Being a newb SUCKS!

Ok so.. I finally after months flashed my second rom
HAd some trouble, I have to admit..
DC~~
I had trouble and I did some wiping and messing with my SD chip and that was the only way I could functionally get a flash..
I just spent a day and a half setting my phone up to my liking and its become apparent apps2sd isn't working and my SD card only has one 1.5 partition out of 2 gb.
Sorry if there are posts with directions of how to work from this point to keep everything while enabling apps2sd and transfering
I dont know where to start searching.
Thanks guys.
"The noob"

get a app called dconfig, it has an option to move your apps so they're on the card.
other than that im not sure what youre asking.
it might be simpler just to flash your phone, format your card and start from scratch.

Cloned2 said:
Ok so.. I finally after months flashed my second rom
HAd some trouble, I have to admit..
DC~~
I had trouble and I did some wiping and messing with my SD chip and that was the only way I could functionally get a flash..
I just spent a day and a half setting my phone up to my liking and its become apparent apps2sd isn't working and my SD card only has one 1.5 partition out of 2 gb.
Sorry if there are posts with directions of how to work from this point to keep everything while enabling apps2sd and transfering
I dont know where to start searching.
Thanks guys.
"The noob"
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do some searching on here, goggle & ppcgeeks for how to root, flash a recovery image, partition your sd card and flash a rom. just make sure the guide you are using and the rom you use is for a cdma based hero.
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=90380 heres good guide to get you started.

I'm rooted I might just need to flash the Rom with the SD card.formatted correctly... I'm going to try to re find where the apps are stored and save them... id love to just be able to correct my SD config and set up apps2sd and move em over so I can keep my home screen set up as well as the info supplied in my apps and todo lists..
Thanks for the info ... on the road right now (passenger.seat )
Maybe I'm not a newb, I'm just stupid... I rooted using ubuntu karmic and I had apps2sd working before I moved to damage control
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hmm.. Damage control rom comes with Dconfig and it has apps2sd enabled and move apps to sd checked.
Ok heres the thing..
I had a Modaco rom before and with apps2sd enabled and the SD formatted properly.
Plugging my phone into a computer would open up 2 drives... One 1 designated to be 1.5 gb and another .5 gb
How ever now I only see one.. the 1.5 gb
My memory is running low as if everything i've installed is in the phone.
searching through the phone i can't seem to find where these apps are being saved...
Are they on the elusive .5 gb partition I can't seem to see??
i think not... I just rebooted and my available space is 63.74mb
It's all becoming a no brainer that i should reflash the rom with the correct specifications to the SD chip...
But what I want to know, is there a way around this. ( I don't see any options, but I'd love to reformat my SD correctly and get apps2sd working on my own, moving all my apps over there while keeping any stored data intact...) <--- is this possible??
[maybe i should learn how to communicate clearly LOL]
For the moment, Ill back up my SD contents and hunt down how to partition correctly.. then I'll see if I can't find the folders where it is storing downloaded apps... then I'll disable then enable the apps2sd setting in dconfig and download an app... if all goes well i'll start pushing my apps over and do the whol "fix apk uid" in the recovery menu...
Hell maybe ill even decide to get a newer recovery besides 1.2.3 while im at it hahah.. any suggestions would be appreciated

# cd /data/app
# pwd
/system/sd/app
# cd /data/app-private
# pwd
/system/sd/app-private
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So... Why is my memory so low???
I'm about to take my SD chip out and see if I cannot access the contents of these folders without it in...
MY APPS2SD IS WORKING AND HAS BEEN WORKING
Sorry guys... somethings just up[or rather DOWN] with my memory and my SD card reads differently...

Cloned2 said:
Being a newb SUCKS!
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There's only one way to stop being a n00b: Learn.
You're doing fine. My suggestion is to not take it all on at once. Focus on one problem, fix it, learn from it and move on to the next one. You'll be a pro in no time.
I would guess that you need to repartition the SD card when moving from one ROM to the next, but I've never really played with apps2sd. See? You know more about it than I do!

download app: quick systems info
to see if your a2sd is working and how much is being used.
use the dconfig to make sure you have dalvik cached moved to sd... reboot the phone.
i am guessing at this....
you say you had a2sd working before with Madaco and could see 2 drives... that sounds wrong to me. if a2sd was working, then you should not see the 2nd drive. you are only able to see the main larger drive and that is it.. the others are used by android and not available to us.
now that you can not see the 2nd drive. sounds like a2sd is working. the app i suggested should confirm for you.

I did get everything working and my memory remains the same when I install applications.... perhaps I could see the second drive because I'm running Linux and/or the way I formatted the sd or the extension...
Sent from my HERO200 using Tapatalk

I think what you are describing is your SD-EXT partition (the a2sd partition you made). If you have a 2GB card and partitioned your card to be .5GB EXT, then it will appear your SD is 1.5GB. You get what I'm saying?

I used to be able to see 2 partitions as well. I think it was only with 1.5 ROMs.
If you want to mount both partitions then all you need to do is reboot into recovery and select the USB mount. Then both partitions will show up.
But you really don't need to mess with that second partition. Go to the market and download Titanium Backup. That will backup all your apps and settings. Restoring is a little annoying to do since you have to click for every app but if you buy the donate version then you don't have to do that.

centran said:
I used to be able to see 2 partitions as well. I think it was only with 1.5 ROMs.
If you want to mount both partitions then all you need to do is reboot into recovery and select the USB mount. Then both partitions will show up.
But you really don't need to mess with that second partition. Go to the market and download Titanium Backup. That will backup all your apps and settings. Restoring is a little annoying to do since you have to click for every app but if you buy the donate version then you don't have to do that.
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I perfer Backup For Root Users... does the same thing but is free and is one-click one-shot deal.

[Q] App2SD files locations

I want to know where App2SD moves the files. I have flashed my device with RUU (official) and before I did that I had lots of apps moved to SD and now am not sure if the files from those apps are still on the SD card or not and if they are, where ?

It moves your apps to a magical place where they can roam free and happy

teh5abiking said:
It moves your apps to a magical place where they can roam free and happy
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I could have guessed that myself (the name gives it away). What I meant is which directory on the filesystem and is it system directory that I can not access from the phone itself (unrooted)

If you are asking about Android's built-in App2SD functionality, check the .android_secure directory of your sdcard.

theSpam said:
If you are asking about Android's built-in App2SD functionality, check the .android_secure directory of your sdcard.
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Talking about this one
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.a0soft.gphone.app2sd&hl=en
As far as I know 2.2 doesn't have this functionality

froyo has it aswell check out .android_secure

nonione said:
froyo has it aswell check out .android_secure
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I am using the app that I mentioned so even if Froyo has it, it wont matter
The directory is empty

telerian said:
I am using the app that I mentioned so even if Froyo has it, it wont matter
The directory is empty
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Here's the thing - Froyo DOES have that functionality. If you're rooting you should try to know a bit more about your device before attempting something so drastic.
Now, that app does NOTHING that stock app2sd doesn't already do. Only if the dev allows the app to be moved can it be moved. If nothing is in the .android_secure folder then no apps are on your sdcard - plain and simple.
a2sd (a2EXT) is much different. It moves every bit of every app to an ext partition. You need Linux or a program capable of reading ext partitions if you're on Windows to see the apps and copy them over.
You could just get Titanium Backup and save the apps so you won't have to worry about any of this while switching between ROM's or whatever else you decide to attempt.
EDIT: Just to make it clear - the RUU doesn't touch your sdcard so whatever was on there before is still there, or should be unless you updated while on LSD and hitting yourself in the head with a hammer.

KCRic said:
Here's the thing - Froyo DOES have that functionality. If you're rooting you should try to know a bit more about your device before attempting something so drastic.
Now, that app does NOTHING that stock app2sd doesn't already do. Only if the dev allows the app to be moved can it be moved. If nothing is in the .android_secure folder then no apps are on your sdcard - plain and simple.
a2sd (a2EXT) is much different. It moves every bit of every app to an ext partition. You need Linux or a program capable of reading ext partitions if you're on Windows to see the apps and copy them over.
You could just get Titanium Backup and save the apps so you won't have to worry about any of this while switching between ROM's or whatever else you decide to attempt.
EDIT: Just to make it clear - the RUU doesn't touch your sdcard so whatever was on there before is still there, or should be unless you updated while on LSD and hitting yourself in the head with a hammer.
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Here is the deal, I rooted my phone and found out that I have no Arabic after downgrading my firmware to 1.34 so I got the RUU with Arabic (1.85) and updated the phone. before all that I used App2SD to move some apps to the SD card to save phone storage and after going toe Arabic RUU, the apps are not in that directory but everything else (photos, documents, maps, etc ..) is still there which means the SD was not wiped. I also used astro to backup my apps before doing the downgrade but it only backed up the ones on the phone storage and not everything.
I am a bit of Android newbie but am an expert in Linux (which is what Android is). I would love to root the phone but it is not possible to downgrade to 1.34 without losing Arabic .
Maybe I should mount the SD card on my laptop and do a find

SD Apps

Hi,
I did a quick search and couldn't find anything on the topic.
I was wondering for a while now, some applications (usually the bigger ones like Angry Birds) must be installed on NAND for it to work - given the HD2's limited onboard phone memory, I can't install very many of these at the same time - requiring me to move it to SD when I don't use it very often to save on space.
A bit of a pain really. I was just wondering if there's a fix for this issue? I'm using one of the older CyanogenMod7 builds if I recall correctly.
Cheers.

use a rom that uses app2sd+ (a2sd+ whatever, ) or data2sd, , one that uses an EXT partition on the sd card. the system will treat the EXT as internal memory and apps such as angry will work. If the EXT is already there when you install such a rom, you dont have to do anything, it will detect the EXT partition and use it, no interaction on your part needed.
Most roms are set up to use an EXT, go read your roms first post.

Right, that makes a whole lot of sense. Cheers!

HD2 WP7 and Android Dual Boot File Swap

I apologize if this isn't in the correct forum. I wasn't sure since it's dealing with two dif os's.
Anyways, my question is Can I access files on the android jellybean partition from inside of wp7? I would like to be able to play movies, look at pics in wp7 that are in the android partition.
Also, what about vice versa? One last question. Wp7 seems to run very quickly, but Android seems to run pretty slowly. I assume its because it's running from the SD card. Is there any way that can be sped up to run at normal (fast) speed?
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is it possible to put android on the nand, and wp7 on the sd so that the android os would be faster?

So.
Yes, you can access files from FAT partition on WP7. Few file explorers allow you to do that, just have a look at them and check if Storage Card folder works. They also allow you to watch videos, view images and play music, but forget about playlist support, subtitles or anything complicated. We don't have software to do that yet.
Vice versa is not possible since WP7 uses its own file system which Android can't see nor use.
Android will always run slower because it's an unoptimized piece of sh- I mean software. But you can try ROMs which take advantage of EXT4 partitions using NativeSD method - these are noticeable faster, no more waiting for minutes for apps to launch. You can also overclock CPU and use higher read ahead value for SD card (SD Speed Increase from Market).
Putting Android on NAND and WP7 on SD is not yet possible. It might be when Magldr 2.0 will be released (and it won't be really that anyway), but we don't know when.

thank you
thanks for the detailed and thorough explanation. i see that you are also using a dual boot. how slow/fast does your paranoidjellybean operate? i'm going to look into ext 4 and cpu boosts. i guess i will have to reinstall/delete everything in my android partition to do an ext 4? and i guess if i go ext 4 wp7 won't be able to read it? i'm going to look into it. i will update this with whatever info i find.
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I'm going to try and use the roms you name in your signature area that you are using, and see if it works any better. what sd card are you using? I'm using a micro center micro sd class 6 16gb one. i'm getting a 8000ffff error in this wp7 rom when trying to get something from marketplace, and the droid is too slow. going to try the ext method for the droid. (can't dl apps on droid either!) so i will post what happens here.
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ok, i'm thoroughly confused by these instructions (somewhat vague in parts ) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1869673 Is there a video tutorial where it is shown what to do step by step to get a native sd setup for a dual booth with android sd and wp7? Do I just do it the same way I did before (install wp7, then reset / repartition, but instead of using fat32 i make a fat32 (how big) and an ext4 (or 2?) and which comes first (the fat or the ext) ? Afterwards, ALL partitions are primary?
i found this info for installing ext4. but do i create the ext4 BEFORE or AFTER i install WP7 ?

I'd say Paranoid JB is pretty fast using NativeSD (EXT) method. You will need to create an EXT partition first, but keep a FAT partition, because on EXT the ROM will keep only its own data and apps, the rest is still on FAT (just like now, but instead of data.ext and system.ext in ICS folder there is a partition just for those). Windows Phone 7 will not be able to read content of EXT partition, but it will not be needed, since there won't be anything worth looking at and all media files you will still keep on FAT. You will also have to make a backup of everything on your FAT partition because it will be lost, and fresh install will be necessary. You might want to backup your applications with Titanium Backup though.
For more information on partitioning please visit NativeSD thread.
I'm using a 8GB Transcend Class 4 card with 4GB FAT, 1GB EXT and rest (2.4GB) WP7FS. I don't have any errors with downloading apps on neither WP7 nor Android. Are you sure you entered that special code for Marketplace and logged into Google account on Droid?

furthermore
actually, i installed the hd20 rom you're using and had no problems with marketplace. at this point i have hd20 wp7 set up, activated, and working. i'm just trying to understand some of the more advanced information in the forums about setting up the ext4. i found some very technical instructions (edit: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=534714 ) for setting up an ext2 with gparted via dos then upgrading it to ext4. i don't know if that will mess up the wp7 partition, and if i should have done this before i installed wp7.
i had already read the nativesd thread, and the extended threads from it. i'm afraid i'm just not knowledgeable enough currently to fill in the gaps of information i find in a lot of the instructions. but i'm not giving up.
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this has gotten way off the original topic so I've started a new thread with a diferent topic here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=31356468#post31356468