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charging problem

Today I had pluged my usb cable in my cell and when I unplug the cable my battery was 30% charged but as soon I unplug the usb cable i got battery low warning and suddenly my cell shutdown. When I start the cell it shows -1% battery and now if I chrage the battery from charger it wont showing charging (animated charging bar) but its actualy charging it very slowly but now if I again plug usb cable and unplug it the cell again shutdown instantly.
I have tried different pcs and cable but the problem still there. Should I hard reset it? I dont install new software or change any settings durring the day.

If there isn't any important data on the phone,yes , you can try the Hard reset,but most probably the cause for not charging, is something else and not the rom (OS),so Hard reseting will not boost up the charging.If the device is not charging ,its rather more of a Hardware issue than a Software. Try to charge with a Wall charger (Mains),if it charges normally,then the fault lies in the usb cable,it might be faulty or try with other usb input port on the pc,but if it still doesn't charge with the Wall charger,than most probably the mini usb port of the phone is faulty or damaged or it might be that the battery is giving upon you.Confirm and check all these options.

I have already tried the external (home) charger and different usb cable and pc.
I cant hardreset as the battery is lower then 50% charged.
Just for your knowledge that the active sync is working fine and ithink mini usb port is not totaly dead,
And the orange light on top is keep blinking when I have plugeed usb cable.
And battery status show +21mA and +68mW only. What it should be?

BTW battery status icon bar keep animating while I have pluged usb cable. does it mean its charging.
Also let you know that this morning my battery last to below 10% charged and after that the problem starts.
And after pluging usb cable for few minutes if i do softreset then after reboot the system shows few % battery charged ( around 10%) but its drains very fast (in 2-5 minutes).

azfar said:
BTW battery status icon bar keep animating while I have pluged usb cable. does it mean its charging.
Also let you know that this morning my battery last to below 10% charged and after that the problem starts.
And after pluging usb cable for few minutes if i do softreset then after reboot the system shows few % battery charged ( around 10%) but its drains very fast (in 2-5 minutes).
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Ah !
So it has gone below the retention charge, required to start the charging circuit ,thats why its not charging.
Now either try to charge with a wall charger capable of out put of 1.0 amp or you need to 'Jump' start the battery.

i dont understand can you explain it a bit more.

This it what he's trying to say:
The battery has a well-documented bug. If you drain it below a certain amount (around 5% IIRC) then it can ONLY be charged from a wall charger, regardless what else the phone says or does. Your symptoms are weirder than usual, but not too surprising.
Replacement batteries are cheap and readily available. Start shopping for a new one while you leave the phone on the wall charger for at least 6 hours, with the phone OFF. This is a last-ditch attempt to recover your battery. If it still misbehaves after that, it's probably toast.

Thanks for explanation.
does the usb cable hack work (connect the red and black cables to battery + and -)?

azfar said:
Thanks for explanation.
does the usb cable hack work (connect the red and black cables to battery + and -)?
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YUP !
Thats what is 'Jump' start.If the battery is only below the retention charge,it can be very easily recouped by this trick.If it works fine,otherwise get a new battery,many have recovered their batteries by Jump start.
Check out this link :-
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=374108

thanks for the link.

OK jump start do the trick (charged the battery) but my phone is still draining the battery very quickly (around 1% a minute) and I havent check the home charger or usb cable charging.

azfar said:
OK jump start do the trick (charged the battery) but my phone is still draining the battery very quickly (around 1% a minute) and I havent check the home charger or usb cable charging.
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ok,good if it has started to charge,now don't ever let it fall below atleast 30%,how did you charged it if not through home charger or usb cable,get the battery fully cgarged with home mains charger and then check the drainage of the battery.
Secondly,either the battery cells have gone weak and not retaining the charge for long or you are using GPRS more often,coz it drains the battery quite rapidly.it all depends on your usage.

I just charged the battery from naked usb cable and it charged it but the battery drainage problem still presist and if I charge the battery from usb or charger the os dosent shows it charging. I think i should look for new battery.
Can you explain me what kind of battery should i choose for wizard as here too many local batteries are available and I dont know about correct specs for battery like mah, mwh, volt, etc and kindly also let me know I also doubt on my home charger what kind of charger should I get (mah, mwh, volt, amp)?
BTW I dont fully charge (100%) the battery yet, do i still need a one full charge and I also dont shock the battery by 1amp charger aswell.

azfar said:
I just charged the battery from naked usb cable and it charged it but the battery drainage problem still presist and if I charge the battery from usb or charger the os dosent shows it charging. I think i should look for new battery.
Can you explain me what kind of battery should i choose for wizard as here too many local batteries are available and I dont know about correct specs for battery like mah, mwh, volt, etc and kindly also let me know I also doubt on my home charger what kind of charger should I get (mah, mwh, volt, amp)?
BTW I dont fully charge (100%) the battery yet, do i still need a one full charge and I also dont shock the battery by 1amp charger aswell.
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Yes ! you must first fully charge the battery and than check the drainage.
Secondly I can't recommend any specific battery,check the specifications on the battery and verify it.
If the home charger is doubtful,you shud get an original PDA phone charger capable of 1.00 amp out put.

ok I also don't able to installnew rom on it, its giving me erorr that phone is not connected to usb cable etc.

Now the active sync is not bieng connecting too and I think now my mini usb port is faulty is it repairable?

azfar said:
Now the active sync is not bieng connecting too and I think now my mini usb port is faulty is it repairable?
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Yes it is repairable or replaceable for that you'll have to contact the cellular company from whom you bought the phone,if its still under warranty. Otherwise get it repaired from any mobile repair shop.

ok may I know from where you belong?

azfar said:
ok may I know from where you belong?
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Don't you see my country flag on my posts and my city of residence is also mentioned there

hmm I see.

Battery first charge

hi
what the recommended method to charge the new battery?
1)charge few hrs till full and drain till 0% and charge again?
2)charge >10hrs?
I used to have N6288, it will auto stop charging when full.
Therefore i tend to charge my hp before i sleep and wake up in the morning to off the charger. So which is like charging for >10hrs.
Since i do not own htc before, so i'm not sure about how they charge.
lets say if battery full till 100%, will it auto stop charging?
i only afraid with my charging pattern (charging while sleeping) will make htc batt spoilt.
any advices?
thx alot

htctc16 said:
hi
what the recommended method to charge the new battery?
1)charge few hrs till full and drain till 0% and charge again?
2)charge >10hrs?
I used to have N6288, it will auto stop charging when full.
Therefore i tend to charge my hp before i sleep and wake up in the morning to off the charger. So which is like charging for >10hrs.
Since i do not own htc before, so i'm not sure about how they charge.
lets say if battery full till 100%, will it auto stop charging?
i only afraid with my charging pattern (charging while sleeping) will make htc batt spoilt.
any advices?
thx alot
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Of course it will stop. Every battery will stop charging when it will be full otherwise it would burn or explode.

erzketis said:
Of course it will stop. Every battery will stop charging when it will be full otherwise it would burn or explode.
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i see..thx
so how long u charge the 1st time?

Before when I bough Tytn II, I charge it over 10 hours and that works well (3~4 days). Recently I bought HTC Touch Cruise09 and I only charge it for 3~5 hours (because the LED turns its color and I just remove the charger). I will see how this battery works.

How to charge a new battery... the solution. ;-)
Hi,
As erzketis says, you have an internal tools wihc switch of your charge.
I'm an electronical technician...
As the charger is a 1Aand the battery is a 1.1 Ah.
In two hour maximum it should be OK.
For me, I went to the sport and 3 hours after, it was OK.
What we usually forget to says is 2 things:
- After the first charge try to use at maximum your battery, let put it close himself (memory effect even if we says taht Lithium has a minus effct, it's a bull****). Try to reperform the same thing 5 times before going on the second tab...
- Avoid to charge you phone when it's not necessary (desactive auto charge when connected on USB). I'll says, wait till 10~0% to charge it. I know it's not prctical, but you'll have a better battery life.
I hope it will help you.

Charging Weirdness in Android

So lately I've noticed that battery life is strange on my Vogue with android. When I let it charge overnight, I take it off the charger and it instantly falls to about 97%. At about 1 PM the battery hits around 30% so I plug it in.
Here's the weird part: it's only charged for a half hour and it's reached 80% according to the meter. After another half hour it will say 100%, and stops charging. If I take it off the charger, it will instantly drop to around 77%, and lower quickly. If it says it is not charging anymore, but I know it is not full, is it really not charging? Can I just leave it on and expect it to continue charging to the real capacity?
Is this just how it is? or is there anything to be done about this? I've tried completely discharging the battery a few times, but didn't really help at all that I could tell.
Curious about everyone else's experiences
Thanks!

I think I remember reading somewhere that Android reads the temp of the batt. to figure out what % is left....
Try this.... When your batt. is low, take it out and blow on the connectors for a few minutes... See if your % rises.

cbaty08 said:
I think I remember reading somewhere that Android reads the temp of the batt. to figure out what % is left....
Try this.... When your batt. is low, take it out and blow on the connectors for a few minutes... See if your % rises.
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Trying this now... lol
Would I have to do this every time I want to get a full charge? seems strange. Maybe this woudl explain why it charges overnight - longer period of time the battery can cool down, charge up more, cool down, charge

how long should the vogue legitimately take to charge? Seems as tho mine does well within an hour...

berardi said:
how long should the vogue legitimately take to charge? Seems as tho mine does well within an hour...
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3 hours usually.

gigermunit said:
3 hours usually.
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Perhaps my battery has just lost it's capacity - it is around 2 years old

Here's what I posted about battery issues in the thread for my Kaiser build:
Battery issues are due to the driver. It was written months ago and AFAIK hasn't been looked at since... I know it has some bugs, here are the ones I am used to:
Intermittent charging
stopping at certain percentages (like ~70%) and refusing to charge
when refusing to charge also does not detect when plugged into USB/ADB
won't fully charge
reports different battery percentage than WM
sometimes jumps instantly from ~30% to ~4%
reports connected to computer when only connected to wall charger
repeated USB-connected notifications
battery becomes hotter during charging than on WM
I should add also that sometimes when the battery dies in Android it won't charge in WM until I boot the phone in WM and unplug and replug the charger.
If I want a proper charge, I just boot WM and wait ~2 hours. Much simpler than Android.

berardi said:
Perhaps my battery has just lost it's capacity - it is around 2 years old
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well it could be that the age, my phone of 2 years got replaced after the power button snapped off, got another which i lost which got replaced by my most recent.

polyrhythmic said:
Here's what I posted about battery issues in the thread for my Kaiser build:
Battery issues are due to the driver. It was written months ago and AFAIK hasn't been looked at since... I know it has some bugs, here are the ones I am used to:
Intermittent charging
stopping at certain percentages (like ~70%) and refusing to charge
when refusing to charge also does not detect when plugged into USB/ADB
won't fully charge
reports different battery percentage than WM
sometimes jumps instantly from ~30% to ~4%
reports connected to computer when only connected to wall charger
repeated USB-connected notifications
battery becomes hotter during charging than on WM
I should add also that sometimes when the battery dies in Android it won't charge in WM until I boot the phone in WM and unplug and replug the charger.
If I want a proper charge, I just boot WM and wait ~2 hours. Much simpler than Android.
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Gah, that's too bad.
When I charge overnight, I don't have problems. It's in the middle of the day when it isn't on the charger for too long that I have issues.
Thanks for confirming the weirdness though, at least I won't bother with a new battery (yet)

HTC Magic (Sapphire) battery charging issues

OK, first I admit, the battery is a POS. I usually have enough battery life to make it through a full day, but usually it will die in the evening before I go to bed and put it on charge.
Recently I got a message, "Charging current is not enough for device power consumption. Please connect your AC adapter." Strange thing, though, it WAS connected to my AC charger. I get the same message with both of my chargers.
Battery will not charge, but has just enough power to keep the phone running as long as there is charge already in the battery. So the battery is almost dead, I put it on the charger all night long, get up in the morning and take it off, and then it beeps extra low battery! and then dies shortly after.
The only way I can get it to work is to leave the phone powered off for a long period of time and charge it then. Doesn't always work though. works if I take out the battery and charge it all by itself on a USB phone battery charger.
Sounds like the problem is somewhere in the phone, not with the chargers. Why would both of them do the same thing?
Please help.

does it do the same thing when plugged in and charging via USB??
could be a bad battery...
from old phones i had previous to my magic it sometimes helped to clean the contacts on the battery and charging pins on the phone..

I'll check that...
BTW, if I am plugged into an AC adapter, is it supposed to stay on even if I remove the battery?

NOPE! same message. Been charging all day now and only shows just over half charge on the battery. Most of this is from the hour or so that I had the battery out and charging on its own.

phone thinks it is charged.

I dont know what caused this to happen, because i havent flashed anything new on my phone or made any changes for like a week now, but today when i got home from school and plugged in my phone, a few seconds later i get the messaged telling me that it is fully charged, even though the battery on the status bar says it is at 20%. i tried wiping the battery stats in cwm but it didnt fix it.

Possibly dirty usb port/connector. Otherwise, turn the phone off to charge it. If it still doesn't charge right, it could be that the battery went bad.

oh lol i cant believe i didnt realize this. i just got a new keyboard and i had my phone charger plugged into the usb port that is on the back of they keyboard, i shouldve known it cant charge off of that i was being stupid hah. plugged it into the computer and it works fine.

thefunkbot said:
oh lol i cant believe i didnt realize this. i just got a new keyboard and i had my phone charger plugged into the usb port that is on the back of they keyboard, i shouldve known it cant charge off of that i was being stupid hah. plugged it into the computer and it works fine.
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The phone will say it is charged when you plug it into a USB port with too low of a current rating.
I do not know what the cutoff threshold is, however I have a variety of USB ports and adapters that I charge my phone off of and some of them work great, but a couple of them have extremely low current ratings and the phone just says "charged" because it is not seeing enough power go into the battery.
This might be considered a bug, if there was a way for the hardware / charging drivers to measure the strength of the USB port the phone is attached to instead of solely looking at the current flowing into the battery.

Hrm. Weird that it would report charged when it doesn't get enough current to properly charge.
On a related note - I would also recommend doing a deep drain / charge cycle about once per month, to calibrate the battery charge sensor.
- Charge your phone to 100%.
- Then discharge it down to 0%.
- Then charge it back up to 100% via the OS.
- Turn the phone off, and keep it plugged in to the charger. A green battery icon will appear, and indicate when the battery is fully charged to 100%.
- Reboot the phone into recovery, and wipe battery stats.
Doing this about once per month for any Li-Ion battery will help calibrate the battery charge sensors on the device, giving you more accurate battery charge stats.