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Another bad impression?

Is anyone else completely unsure as to whether this device is going to be any good? For every positive post about it I see several negative ones, like this from a bloggers hands-on at the London Fashion Show Xperia event
"After playing with the phone for about 2 hours, the overriding impression is lack of polish. This is especially apparent when compared with HTC’s Touch Pro, which exudes a wow factor which the Xperia X1 seems to lack. The Panels interface seems disjointed, without any overriding theme or integration, and also seemingly a lot of duplication. The device included the Opera browser, but all the internet links still pointed to PIE. One of the panels was SPB Mobile Shell, and of course this worked differently from all the panels UI-wise. The colour scheme was different for each panel, and the graphics appeared low resolution and again, unfortunately, unpolished.
The hardware also did not impress, feeling on on the flimsy side, especially compared to the extremely solid HTC Touch Pro. The device itself felt much lighter than the Touch Pro, but not necessarily in a good way. The keyboard was not as bad as feared, but still pretty soft and squishy, and depressing one key seemed to depress the whole membrane around it. Despite having a 3 inch screen, the screen actually appeared smaller due to being more narrow. Recessed screens are also very 2007."
The most concerning thing here is the commentary on build quality - worse than the Touch Pro? I like my Touch Pro, but the build quality is only acceptable, its not like its fantastic. At least the keyboard seems better than others have had us believe, he also said the Panels interface was smooth, which is a relief to hear.
At this point I've seen so many conflicting reports I really don't know what to make of the phone at all - what do you guys think? Bottom line: I'm really looking forward to hearing from some actual users in a few weeks.

NZtechfreak said:
I'm really looking forward to hearing from some actual users in a few weeks.
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So do I, though I'm pretty sure that I'll buy it right from the start.
I do not care if the color scheme is out of sync with other panels and stuff like this.
I want a very good screen, a usable slide out keyboard, good reception quality, good data connection capabilities.
I'm focusing more on functionality then on beautification - I currently have a HTC TyTN and still using the default HTC green Scheme with original background. It's quite ugly but I don't care.

Hmmm...
He didn't give much details about the hardware other than the keyboard. He says that the device is light but might not be in a good way, is something that i'd like to understand. As for the screen seeming small, from what i can tell - it is only slightly smaller in width from the Touch Pro and larger in height...
Anyways... to each his own opinion, but after his first statements the following statement: "The screen was very good, touch focusing in the camera application worked well, the Handango Inhand client looked good, and appeared very easy to use, and the Panels interface was pretty smooth." is the golden statement and gives me hope.
The set he was using - as shown in the screen-shots - was Silver... to compare a black set with a silver set and then say that the silver doesn't deliver the wow factor is injustice. Silver might look cool and smooth, black is the ultimate color and i'm sure Xperia will deliver with that. Also, i'm sure there would be a much polished look on the final set...
Let's wait an see...
Best Regards.

After reading the on site review, I got an unbias feeling about the author. I might be wrong but it looks he was looking to reconfirm his own bad feelings, oing back and forth and even saying that will wait to have to review it again.

Sony Ericsson X1 or HTC Touch HD?

which would you guys pick...BUT DISREGARD THE KEYBOARD PART...just simply everything else other than the hardware keyboard....which would you guys choose

The Touch HD, bigger screen, no cracks in case, g-sensor etc.

Indeed. Generalized a lot, the Touch HD is an X1 with a bigger screen and without keyboard.

I chose the xperia because of looks keyboard and I what really made the difference that I found a really cheap 2nd hand phone still in the box.
My friend has the Touch hd and it's also very nice but I really like the keyboard.
If that doesnt matter to you, you should choose the HD.

which one has better battery life?thanks.

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which one has better battery life?thanks.
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Definately the Xperia, so far at least. I think it´s partly due to the HD screen taking much more power and that the bttery is smaller in the HD. I love them both though...

Touch HD: Big screen, accelerometer
Xperia: Hardware keyboard

xperia for me.
they keyboard, the metal case, the extra buttons (optical pad, d-pad and probably teh OK button (acts as close and so on ...)
the HD has by far the better/ bigger screen, but it doesnt feel liek a cellphone after all. its a little bit to big for my taste. xperia fits my hand better.
having a gyro is fun but its not like u realy need it. i abrley used gyro features in my old phones. defacto i disabled them cause they rotated my screen when i didnt want to.
if u realy dont want a keyboard, gor for the HD.

For me the Xperia is the choice for me
1. Smaller
2. Opital pad is awesome for browsing & emails and means the screen stays clean
3. battery life is brilliant
4. Screen res is better, just smaller
5. Camera is much better. Proves pixels aren't everything. Has a light too!
6. Build quality and being all metal is nice (but heavier)
My bro loves his HD as he watches heaps of movies, so the bigger screen is a clear winner if this is your need.
Listen, both are great devices and it really depends on your needs.
Good luck.
Dev

So I wasn't the only one who had this dilemma, I was thinking exactly the same, like all previous replies, they are basically the same in terms of specs. I really like the big screen on the HD but I went for the X1 only because O2 doesn't bloody sell the HD directly and it means I would have to pay GBP15 extra a month for the line rental if I went for the HD... so the decision for me was I love my money more than a bigger screen. Also, the keyboard on the X1 is really good, although I think the virtual keyboard would probably be as good. I would say if you don't have any loyalty waiting for you from your network provider, then go for the HD, but I would guess the battery might not be as good. My X1 can last up to 3 whole days with normal usage (couple of calls, good few texts, messing about, and some internet).
Sure whichever you go for, you will have loads of fun.

Its really unfair to disregard the keyboard, because the X1 relies on this aspect of its design so firmly. Most would choose the HD over the Xperia if the keyboards are disregarded, but i don't think its fair to leave out one phone's strong point in a comparison. The X1 has a keyboard and one has to consider this when making a purchase choice, there is no changing that. Either way, i would go with the Xperia, its screen is more sensitive, it has at least one US 3G band either model, it has that awesome metal finish and really beautiful design, and is just so smooth and stylish overall, as well as having that huge battery.

when the THD was announced i did consider it along with the X1. but the size of the thing just puts me off..
its so wide across and taller than the X1. ive held the iphone and it didnt feel good in my palm. and the THD is slightly wider...

I was unsure of which to take from those 2, but i got the xperia and now after nearly 2 weeks i am satisfied with my decision, i wanted a bigger display for video but opted for a hardware keyboard and a light flash (HD no flash at all).
Now i find myself happy with it, the hardware keyboard is useful when i want to type more than 2-3 words, lot easier than onscreen keyboard.

so how about the web surfing?i saw video shows that x1's opera won't reflow text when zoom,does that cause any inconvenience?

i would go for the hd.. bigger screen. i do like the x1 for being small but if the x1 screen was 3.2 or 3.5 than it would almost be perfect for me.

in my eyes right now, the most ideal phone for me would be
the Xperia with a 3.2-3.8" screen
8-10mp camera with Xenon Flash
and
hadware keyboard lol
i know..i know..i can only keep dreaming

elite-fusion said:
in my eyes right now, the most ideal phone for me would be
the Xperia with a 3.2-3.8" screen
8-10mp camera with Xenon Flash
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hadware keyboard lol
i know..i know..i can only keep dreaming
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haha, I would love that, size has never been a problem for me when it comes to phones, although I was forced to have the horrible C092 (insurance replacement after having lost my W960) but based on your requirements, the phone would probably be the size of a netbook, but the price of a proper computer...
Does anyone else here think having a bigger phones nowadays is more stylish than having those tiny mobile phones?
Also I agree being a woman with slightly smaller hands, I think the X1 is probably the biggest I can handle with pleasure, I have always liked the iphone (being a Mac user) but the size is a bit of an issue...
After all, I am bitter coz I didn't even have a chance to choose the HD coz O2 doesn't do it... I think it's fair to say it all depends on if you like coffee to tea, both tasty and keep you awake...

Xperia for me cos...
1.Optical pad etc buttons, better handle music in -5° with u gloves on +Faster to handle
2.Better sound? Dont know never heard HD's sound quality, but in X1 it's just awesome.
3.Better battery.
4.qwerty-keyboard.
5.Looks better, imo, metal case etc.
6.Smaller.
But HD is great also.

X1 or touch hd

hello, im new to xda and i need a new phone asap. i cant decide between these 2 phones. i dont need a keyboard but would really like one and i dont need a big screen but it needs to be big enough to watch movies on, do word docs and powerpoints. anyone who has the x1, is the screen small for you? if you had to choose one of these phones and u had the money, which one would you get?

Touch HD: Big screen, accelerometer
Xperia: Hardware keyboard
I have both, and my vote goes to Touch HD. Mostly because of the screen size (big, but not too big. And it's finger friendly!).
The hardware keyboard on X1 is really nice however. So if you type often, go for the X1.
Everyones taste is different, so I recommend going to the closest retail store and check em both out

i might as well wait for the touch pro 2, only .2 of an inch smaller than the hd but also has a keyboard. also has a tilting screen and it looks like its made of metal.

catsrule30 said:
i might as well wait for the touch pro 2, only .2 of an inch smaller than the hd but also has a keyboard. also has a tilting screen and it looks like its made of metal.
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Sound like a good plan

do you know if its made of metal or plastic?

This has been discussed before, but more than a million words, better take a look at the POLL (link on my signature)

dogans said:
Touch HD: Big screen, accelerometer
Xperia: Hardware keyboard
I have both, and my vote goes to Touch HD. Mostly because of the screen size (big, but not too big. And it's finger friendly!).
The hardware keyboard on X1 is really nice however. So if you type often, go for the X1.
Everyones taste is different, so I recommend going to the closest retail store and check em both out
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The keyboard is good until it gets unresponsive.
catsrule30 said:
i might as well wait for the touch pro 2, only .2 of an inch smaller than the hd but also has a keyboard. also has a tilting screen and it looks like its made of metal.
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dogans said:
Sound like a good plan
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Wait for the Touch Pro2.
gtrab said:
This has been discussed before, but more than a million words, better take a look at the POLL (link on my signature)
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Do other users have a big banner in their signature asking for people to vote for their device?

my vote goes for the X1, better battery, better support (here in Sweden) hardware keyboard (very needed) and flashlight (better camera) I don't watch movies on my phones, but yes it looks good when watching with the Xperia screen, otherwise I use my PSP or my HP TX1020 (12") if I really need to watch movies when on a trip or something
imo the touch hd only have one advantage and it's the screen, I don't see the accelerometer like a "big" thing...

and you guys thought the G1 was ugly?

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/05/24/htc-lancaster-is-a-qwerty-slider-with-android-for-atandt/
i thinks thats twice as ugly as the G1

Yikes! 4 row keyboard, 240x320 res, chin just empty, looks like it doesn't have a trackball either. Although the red accents on the keyboard for the symbols is cool looking.
Only way it could look worse was if it had the keyboard color scheme from this
http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/24/htcs-warhawk-and-fortress-are-atandts-touch-diamond2-and-pro2/

I never thought the G1 was ugly...

BSDADON said:
Yikes! 4 row keyboard, 240x320 res, chin just empty, looks like it doesn't have a trackball either. Although the red accents on the keyboard for the symbols is cool looking.
Only way it could look worse was if it had the keyboard color scheme from this
http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/24/htcs-warhawk-and-fortress-are-atandts-touch-diamond2-and-pro2/
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yea, buts its pretty cool how that touch pro 2 has a seperate number pad, like a desktop,might give some people a homey feeling.

Actually, personally I thought the Lancaster looked very attractive, very sleek and smooth unlike the boxy G1. However, the feature set and specs on that thing, are terribly ugly. Tiny screen, no auto-focus, mediocre screen resolution, and no trackball? Maybe they have a capacitive mouse pad in place of the trackball like on the Helio Ocean 2.

SolemnWishing said:
Actually, personally I thought the Lancaster looked very attractive, very sleek and smooth unlike the boxy G1. However, the feature set and specs on that thing, are terribly ugly. Tiny screen, no auto-focus, mediocre screen resolution, and no trackball? Maybe they have a capacitive mouse pad in place of the trackball like on the Helio Ocean 2.
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Thats how I felt, although I like the way the G1 looks (gotten used to). Kind of like wow look at this hot chick, I could see myself with her, etc, etc. Then she opens her mouth and it is a pile of sad. That is what the lancaster is to me, nice shell but the inside just kills it for me and makes it unattractive. Now give me a mediocre phone with good insides and you have my G1.

If they price it as an entry level phone (i.e. free or no more than $50 with contract), it could do very well and put android in a lot of people's hands.

AT&T? TRADERS!!!!!!!! lol i think its kinda HAWT Ive always liked the G1. people just ***** because its not as attractive as its competitors but Ive always liked HTC Hardware

I've always found the g1 to be quite smexy xD

I think that phone looks good, but I wouldn't get it due to lackluster specs.
Also, I have loved the G1 since it came out. Maybe I like it because it's quirky and ugly. Still, I think it looks great.

I would rather see a row of number keys on the keyboard. I like the G1's chin, protects the screen if you were to drop it

sarcasm or serious?
i think that phone is sexy, will trade with my G1!

I like it. Bad part it is ATT.

Blackstone Replacement

Ok guys, whats next for us, anyone have any hard facts about what HTC is going to replace our lovely Touch HDs with? still have quite a while left on my contract but im curious whats around the corner....

Agreed... I was thinking about HTC HERO but I dont think I can live with a screen that small

Guys,
Has anyone noticed that since the Blackstone, HTC has not made any phones with a screen that is as big as the Touch HD? (3.8 inches). I've only seen 3.6 inches so far. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Cheers.

You are correct 3.6" max: in my opinion we must wait early 2010 to see other device like HD
D'rath

Really looking forward to the HTC Thoth.....with the current on screen keyboard....I would'nt mind leaving the physical keyboard at home.....provided they launch it soon.....but kinda looking forward to one of their devices using the new Nvidia chips as well....

Yup, i'd only really be interested in one of the new Nvidia chipset devices as a replacement.

.. And an AMOLED display .. bloomin daylight :-(

the size on the HD is just perfect, ive tried some smaller ones since and its just not the same, i can see me using this thing until its fallen to bits unless a HD2 with a similar design comes out, its a perfect iPhone compeditor we just need a bit more grunt, OLEDS would be very cool, but i think we would have to drop the stylus, the metal wires in the screen reduce the brightness by a huge amount and im not sure how OLEDs compare with backlit LCD

Having had a Touch HD and Touch Pro2 I know why they don't make such a large screen anymore.
Using the TouchPro2's screen requires minimal 'touchdown' all around the screen - its consistent, whereas the Touch HD (I've had three of these) all exhibit the same issue - The middle of the screen requires less effort to register a screen press than the outer sides - making it inconsistent. I'm assuming this is due to the larger screen size the touch element of the phone has to cover....
Don't get me wrong - I loved my Touch HD but after the usual HTC and qualcomm marlaky of missing hardware drivers I'm pretty peeved off and have now deflect to the iphone 3GS. Yes its no-where near as technically superior as the Touch HD - but the screen and hardware acceleration make it very fluid to use.
Signed up to a 24month contract with the 3GS as I doubt very much HTC will be releasing anything decent (i.e. With a decent graphics chipset) for a while yet......

Agreed with the above posts..
Having OLED would be pretty cool... and maybe a capacitive touch screen-- however I doubt this as it wouldn't be compatible with handwriting recognition. Maybe better technology will overcome this someday as for now I can only dream... :/

zoomee,
I'll have to agree. The edges are not as responsive as the center. This is especially apparent in things like the X button on the top right.
Cheers.
zoomee said:
Having had a Touch HD and Touch Pro2 I know why they don't make such a large screen anymore.
Using the TouchPro2's screen requires minimal 'touchdown' all around the screen - its consistent, whereas the Touch HD (I've had three of these) all exhibit the same issue - The middle of the screen requires less effort to register a screen press than the outer sides - making it inconsistent. I'm assuming this is due to the larger screen size the touch element of the phone has to cover....
Don't get me wrong - I loved my Touch HD but after the usual HTC and qualcomm marlaky of missing hardware drivers I'm pretty peeved off and have now deflect to the iphone 3GS. Yes its no-where near as technically superior as the Touch HD - but the screen and hardware acceleration make it very fluid to use.
Signed up to a 24month contract with the 3GS as I doubt very much HTC will be releasing anything decent (i.e. With a decent graphics chipset) for a while yet......
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ah well, so no one has any news on anything to replace the Touch HD with. Pitty, they are losing out on market share to Apple. Unless that is they already figure the market is lost to them...