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Hi everyone. I am sure I am not the first person to wonder about this. Microsoft’s “push” email technology that works with Exchange Server is entirely HTTP based. Obviously Microsoft wants this to work with only their server platform but couldn’t it be possible to use this with Gmail?
I can’t honestly see if being that difficult for the folks at Google to reverse engineer the exact format of the HTTP posts going back and forth between an Exchange server and a WM device. On top of this Gmail has Contacts and Calendar as well. If I could sync my WM device with Gmail I wouldn’t need Exchange anymore. I could even use Google Apps to get my email at my own domain name.
I tried setting up mail.google.com and also www.gmail.com as ‘exchange’ servers on my HTC Touch but it didn’t work :-(
The Fish.
thefish123 said:
Hi everyone. I am sure I am not the first person to wonder about this. Microsoft’s “push” email technology that works with Exchange Server is entirely HTTP based. Obviously Microsoft wants this to work with only their server platform but couldn’t it be possible to use this with Gmail?
I can’t honestly see if being that difficult for the folks at Google to reverse engineer the exact format of the HTTP posts going back and forth between an Exchange server and a WM device. On top of this Gmail has Contacts and Calendar as well. If I could sync my WM device with Gmail I wouldn’t need Exchange anymore. I could even use Google Apps to get my email at my own domain name.
I tried setting up mail.google.com and also www.gmail.com as ‘exchange’ servers on my HTC Touch but it didn’t work :-(
The Fish.
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Option 1. forward your gmail account to mail2web or one of the other free services which is a free hosted exchange account (more or less).
Option 2. Set up your gmail for I-map and "idle" it. I know it can be done using flex mail, but not sure about idle in Pocket Outlook.
Option 3. Set up your device to check for mail every X minutes. You already new that one though.
Option 4. Set up to forward your mail to your device. IE: on cingular, it used to be you could forward it to "[email protected]" That one, you would need to check with your service provider.
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Hi ssschmidt,
I know there are ways I could forward my Gmail to another email service that is an Exchange Server and so does support Microsoft-style push email BUT I am wondering why Google doesn’t implement this themselves.
There are a tone of Windows Mobile devices out there AND Google is already offering Gmail at your own domain name with “Google Apps” service. If all of a sudden I could get true push Gmail with my own domain name (part of Google Apps) I think a lot of people might reconsider that upgrade to Exchange 2007.
Figuring out the exact format of the HTTP conversation between the WM device and the Exchange server couldn’t be that hard. Heck, I think I might be able to take a crack at it myself
In case anyone is wondering what happens is this. The WM device makes an HTTP request to the Exchange server and says “notify me if anything changes in these folders within the next X minutes”. The Exchange server the starts monitoring the folders in question for the specified period of time. If the folder “changes” (a message arrives, a contact is updated, an appointment re-scheduled) Exchange sends the changed items back as part of the HTTP response (the connection is left open and ‘hanging’ for the specified period of time). If nothing happens and the time period lapses the Exchange server sends an empty response and the HTTP connection is closed. The WM device then resumes the process over again by making another request. This it why it is called “client initiated ‘push’” because in reality the WM device is continually asking for changes. The constant back & forth acts as a kind of heartbeat so both ends of the connection (the WM device and the Exchange Server) know the other is still there (in case the WM device is out of service, turned off or otherwise off the grid).
I can see no reason why this HTTP conversation can’t be implemented (along with the correct URL’s) on a non-Exchange server such as Gmail. If Google decided to offer this I think it might be an Exchange killer. Currently I am thinking of ways I can get my own Exchange server. I have several customers with Exchange and a few of the might be willing to host my email for me. Currently I am using Google Apps which I absolutely LOVE but I would also love to be able to sync my plethora of contacts.
Maybe someone in Google reads these forums
The Fish
I'm sure Google will implement this with Android
berardi said:
I'm sure Google will implement this with Android
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I am sure your probably right. But if Google is interested in taking business away from Exchange (which I think they are judging by the Google Apps sign-up page) then it would make sense to provide this service to the thousands (if not millions) of WM users out there worldwide.
The Fish.
Gmail via Activesync
thefish123 said:
Hi everyone. I am sure I am not the first person to wonder about this. Microsoft’s “push” email technology that works with Exchange Server is entirely HTTP based. Obviously Microsoft wants this to work with only their server platform but couldn’t it be possible to use this with Gmail?
I can’t honestly see if being that difficult for the folks at Google to reverse engineer the exact format of the HTTP posts going back and forth between an Exchange server and a WM device. On top of this Gmail has Contacts and Calendar as well. If I could sync my WM device with Gmail I wouldn’t need Exchange anymore. I could even use Google Apps to get my email at my own domain name.
I tried setting up mail.google.com and also www.gmail.com as ‘exchange’ servers on my HTC Touch but it didn’t work :-(
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From the posts in this thread, looks like nobody mentioned having tried MobiPush. Mobipush allows you to have your Gmail, Yahoo, or other IMAP or POP account email pushed to your WM 5/6 device using the device's Direct-Push Technology. I am currently using the service with my Gmail account and it works well. Sign up is free. You must setup your Gmail options to allow IMAP or POP access, then follow the instructions on MobiPush's site to setup your device. I also forgot to mention that it seems that only mail is sync'ed at this time (no contacts or calendar, or tasks.)
Here's the link:
www.mobipush.com
Windows Live Hotmail provides Direct Push
Another option is to register for a live hotmail account (mail.live.com) and forward your gmail to this account. You can configure your Touch for push email from live hotmail by following the instructions here: http://blogs.msdn.com/mayurk/archiv...dows-live-hotmail-and-windows-mobile-6-0.aspx
mindchill said:
Another option is to register for a live hotmail account (mail.live.com) and forward your gmail to this account. You can configure your Touch for push email from live hotmail by following the instructions here: http://blogs.msdn.com/mayurk/archiv...dows-live-hotmail-and-windows-mobile-6-0.aspx
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However when you do this your reply comes from your Live/Hotmail account. Do you know if you can do this and have your reply come from your gmail account?
Thanks!
Apparently there are other companies/groups that have independently developed products that are compatible with Microsoft’s “DirectPush” technology. So the good news is we know it can be and has been done.
Check out this product http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerio_MailServer
Hopefully Google will develop something that will allow Gmail to masquerade as an Exchange server to a Windows Mobile device. Imagine having push email as well as contact and calendar synchronization with Gmail?? on your WM device? All without any third-party connectors/forwarding/etc.
The Fish.
PS: thanks to everyone for all the suggestions...
www.nuevasync.com for contacts and calendar sync - imap sync is coming - but it's been "coming" for a long time so we can only hope...
try http://www.funambol.com
It will sync calendar, email and contacts.
gottago said:
try http://www.funambol.com
It will sync calendar, email and contacts.
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i am currently using funambol with scheduleworld for my google calendar - are you using funambol by itself for your calendar?
thanks
nuevasync is great for syncing google contacts and calendar. No downloads everything works through activesync. Their blog says gmail is coming so for now I just use IMAP for gmail.
I simply use www.mobipush.com services, works great for emails.
thefish123 said:
Hi everyone. I am sure I am not the first person to wonder about this. Microsoft’s “push” email technology that works with Exchange Server is entirely HTTP based. Obviously Microsoft wants this to work with only their server platform but couldn’t it be possible to use this with Gmail?
I can’t honestly see if being that difficult for the folks at Google to reverse engineer the exact format of the HTTP posts going back and forth between an Exchange server and a WM device. On top of this Gmail has Contacts and Calendar as well. If I could sync my WM device with Gmail I wouldn’t need Exchange anymore. I could even use Google Apps to get my email at my own domain name.
I tried setting up mail.google.com and also www.gmail.com as ‘exchange’ servers on my HTC Touch but it didn’t work :-(
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First of all, you don't need MS Push because Google does have a mail push mechanism in place. It is called IMAP Idle. You can read it from here: http://www.isode.com/whitepapers/imap-idle.html. So all you need to do is setting up your IMAP IDLE compatible client to sync with gmail via IMAP instead of POP.
Now, you may also like to forward you mail to mail2web and take advantage of the push mail plus push calendar, contact and task. But you can also use OggSync and keep everything in Google.
berardi said:
I'm sure Google will implement this with Android
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Well, they already have the solution.
agentmikeyd said:
i am currently using funambol with scheduleworld for my google calendar - are you using funambol by itself for your calendar?
thanks
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Actually I am only using/testing funambol on my gmail. I don't use a calendar as of yet, too little time to test on funambol. I do know that contacts synch via funambol does work. I guess you are calling me to task;-)
I know there are various ways using combinations of third party software and/or services and so forth of syncing email one way, calendar another, etc, etc. But imagine being able to sync EVERYTHING in Google Apps with their counterparts on your Windows Mobile device using the NATIVE built-in synchronization mechanism of that device.
If Google is serious about killing Exchange in the SMB market place they will implement this.
Currently I still sync my Vogue with my Exchange server even though I also use Google Apps.
The Fish
there is always this
http://www.codeplex.com/ImapPusherService
works well for me
Did I call it or what?!?!
OK, little brag moment there but!!! Have a look at this screen shot. I am not 100% sure when Google added this but this is EXACTLY what I was hoping for just over a year ago! Did I call it or what? I can't imagine Gmail/Google Apps being any cooler
The Fish
Hi. Can anyone tell me please whether the Hero will have real-time 'push' email and whether it will be compatible with Outlook?
Many thanks.
it depends on which style you get I believe the sim free HTC branded ones will include exchange syncing software as standard. The "with google" branded ones dont, however there is software on the market which can do this for you anyway.
Well, I have a sim-free Hero on order, here in the UK.
I don't have a server, though - just Outlook on a single PC - would that be fine? Also - is it instant, or every 30 mins or so, like my current Nokia E71?
Thanks!
Just tested Hero ROM on my brothers G1. You can use Activesync ( sync with your local outlook via usb ) or POP email
Thank you, Sinas. And the Pop email is 'instant push'? My Nokia E71 will only check every 30 mins...
Thank you, Sinas. And the Pop email is 'instant push'? My Nokia E71 will only check every 30 mins...
Also, surely 'Activesync' is a windows programme - do you mean HTC Sync?
Thanks again...
Stuff review.
Okay, so the Stuff review seems to answer the questions.
Firstly; Some of these are basic (clocks, calendars), but many are ‘live’, pulling information through from the web to update automatically. The Nokia N97 offers similar widgets on its homescreen, but the Hero’s, most notably the excellent Twitter app, are by far the slickest and most useful we’ve used. so I am assuming that the Facebook widget is 'live'. Can anyone confirm?
More worryingly, we have this; Unlike the Magic, the Hero has native support for Microsoft Exchange, so setting up work e-mails is easy. It doesn't sync with Outlook, though there is a roundabout way of sending your contacts to Gmail, then get getting them to sync with the phone. which doesn't sound so promising. How can any new phone not sync with Outlook? Can this be true?
The full review is here; http://stuff.tv/Review/HTC-Hero-review/
Any thoughts (please?)
The facebook integration in the people application is nto real time, it is a set schedule updateof 2,4,8,12 or 24 hours.
The twitter app can be set to check every 5 minutes.
Yes, it does come with HTC Sync, but don't bother. It's just as bloody awful on the hero as it is on the HTC branded magics. Steer clear of that ****e and stick to the google or Exchange OTA Sync, both of which are push.
as for not synching with outlook (which it does but only just) the android OS is designed to sync with google over the air. that is one of it's main reasons for existing. and god knows at least it works as long as you are not on an apps domain....!
So, I guess you are saying that...
...if I want push email, because I have a pop3 account, rather than an Exchange one, I will need to somehow use gmail to push my mail to the phone?
*Sigh*
And EVERYTHING I have - contacts and calendar - is on Outlook, which you say doesn't properly sync with the Hero. Maybe I have ordered the wrong phone?
Thanks for your time...
yes you will. POP does not support push mail without some sort of third party intermediary such as Gmail, Exchange or BIS servers (blackberry).
Quite possibly you have.
Although, contacts can be copied across very simply into gmail, by exporting to a csv file and then importing that into gmail which takes about 2 minutes. and as for the calendar, google do calendar sync which syncs your outlook calendar to the gmail calendar as well.
however, from what you say, and what you want in a native outlook sync support, you'd be better off with a winmo device, and a third party hosted exchange for your pop, such as 4smartphone, or some of the guys that do it on here for a small price... that way you have the natice sync support, and also then you have your push mail.
Thank you for your help.
I guess a workaround might be for me to pay for a third-party application which will push my email to the device...
bigbamboo5 said:
I guess a workaround might be for me to pay for a third-party application which will push my email to the device...
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You might try looking into funambol. It connects most things, to most other things.
http://my.funambol.com/
is a free intermediary online funambol server application which might do exactly what you want.
I'm trying to find out from Orange whether the HTC Hero will synchronise with exchange.
Quite frustrating that there is no clear information available.
Rob
Thanks, Trentend - I'll take a look. Also Emoze has been suggested.
Anyone tried Emoze?
I have just spoken to someone at Devicewire who seems to know the phone well and has used it a lot - he tells me the phone 'definitely syncs perfectly with Outlook'. Which is nice...
For any kind of PUSH email support, you need a server-backend that can work it.
Meaning: An IMAP mail account (with IDLE support enabled) (like Gmail),
an Exchange account (used a lot in enterprises and such),
or something similar from Blackberry (BIS I believe).
A regular POP account is just that: Too simple to support any kind of push.
Create a gmail account, set your POP account to forward the mail directly to that gmail account, and set that gmail account up for push mail.
I believe gmail even supports multiple identities, so you can use gmail to send mail in such a way that it looks to come from your original POP account.
As for the Outlook sync: I'm curious just as you. Had WinMo and Symbian phones the last xx years, and I'm now waiting for my Hero to be shipped. My first Android experience, so I'll have to see.
Thing is, I don't value 'Outlook' at all. I use three different computers during each and even day, so all my mail is done webbased (and using a central storage). My 'primary' contact list _IS_ my phone. I don't sync it, I make backups.
So I think I will have to import my current contact list into my gmail-contacts, clean it all up and then connect my Android phone to it. But once you've done that, you're set .
dipje said:
For any kind of PUSH email support, you need a server-backend that can work it.
Meaning: An IMAP mail account (with IDLE support enabled) (like Gmail),
an Exchange account (used a lot in enterprises and such),
or something similar from Blackberry (BIS I believe).
A regular POP account is just that: Too simple to support any kind of push.
Create a gmail account, set your POP account to forward the mail directly to that gmail account, and set that gmail account up for push mail.
I believe gmail even supports multiple identities, so you can use gmail to send mail in such a way that it looks to come from your original POP account.
As for the Outlook sync: I'm curious just as you. Had WinMo and Symbian phones the last xx years, and I'm now waiting for my Hero to be shipped. My first Android experience, so I'll have to see.
Thing is, I don't value 'Outlook' at all. I use three different computers during each and even day, so all my mail is done webbased (and using a central storage). My 'primary' contact list _IS_ my phone. I don't sync it, I make backups.
So I think I will have to import my current contact list into my gmail-contacts, clean it all up and then connect my Android phone to it. But once you've done that, you're set .
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Thank you for this! I guess I'll have to try and do that gmail forwarding thing as the multiple identity thing is vital -if I reply from my phone, it needs to look as if it has come from my office. I'm sure there's an idiot's guide out there somewhere...
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Thank you for this! I guess I'll have to try and do that gmail forwarding thing as the multiple identity thing is vital -if I reply from my phone, it needs to look as if it has come from my office. I'm sure there's an idiot's guide out there somewhere...
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I just had a look. I can go to my gmail settings, and there is a tab 'accounts'.
In there the first section is to 'add another email address you own'. You will have to enter your current POP email address, and it will send a verification of some sort to verify the address is yours.
After that you can make that email address as 'default', and set the option to always make mail seem to come from that address, even if the mail you are replying to was sent directly to your gmail account.
I reccon that if you set an email address as 'default' there, you phone (and other) applications will also use it.
Then the only thing to do is set your current POP account to forward mail directly to your gmail account. (Not MOVE mail, but forward / copy it).
Then you have a gmail account 'invisible' to the outside world. Setting up an android phone with a gmail account should be no problem
Oooh!
Ta much!
Hero will sync with Exchange out of the Box
Magic and G1 need an extra App
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Hero will sync with Exchange out of the Box
Magic and G1 need an extra App
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Exchange, yes - but what about Outlook?
I have 2 mail accounts 1 is an exchange server the other is Imap both business,
The exchange server account works perfectly.
The Imap account however has no option to receive messages as they arrive. Only the crap scheduling options which i refuse to use.
The Imap account is not Gmail, Hotmail or Yahoo. It is my own server on my own domain so I have control over everything and it does support push.
The strange thing is I have a basic SE (and when I say basic I mean it) that I use when I'm out, and that uses my Imap account with push perfectly . I also had a HTC TyTN ii with the exact same setup as I'm trying to configure on my HD2 and that supported push on my Imap account.
At first I thought it might be a limitation on the HD2 to only have one push connection active at any time. So I removed my Exchange account and re-setup my Imap account on its own, but still no option for collect items as they arrive.
Am I missing something or has anyone else come across this problem.
There is no native support for IMAP push in Windows Mobile, unfortunately. You need a third-party solution like Seven for that. By default you only get push with Exchange, and that is limited to only one account.
Thanks that well and truly cleared that up. I must not have had it set-up on my TyTN ii then, just thought I did.
Any chance you could post a link with details of seven tried searching google for
seven winmo app
but just got lots of stuff about winmo 7.
Thanks
forget that found it
http://www.seven.com/
hhmmm how stupid do I look
Unified email
Hey everyone! my friend and i have hd2's but he has 6 email accounts and he was asking me is there a way to make all his emails come into one inbox like on blackberries...i suppose its called "unified email"
ive been using windows mobile for a year now and i cant seem to find a way to "unify" the emails..is there a way for this to be done?
thank you
btw he has the stock tmobile rom,
which would be windows phone 6.5
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I don't know of a specific way to do this on WinMo; however, a work around would be to setup a GMail account (or Hotmail, Yahoo, whichever) and configure that to download email from the six accounts.
Once you have done this, you would only need to setup the Gmail (or other) account on your phone and everything should all come down in one place.
Not really a cure, but a solution nonetheless.
Re: Unified Email
I've used Flexmail for this purpose. It can integrate yahoo, gmail, hotmail, and other types of POP mail accounts and send them to you via imap push. With Flexmail, you can set rules for incoming emails so that they automatically sort into folders on your phone. I like it a lot.
Go to pocketinformant.com for more info
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I've used Flexmail for this purpose. It can integrate yahoo, gmail, hotmail, and other types of POP mail accounts and send them to you via imap push. With Flexmail, you can set rules for incoming emails so that they automatically sort into folders on your phone. I like it a lot.
Go to pocketinformant.com for more info
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Flexmail was excellent when I used it on a Treo Pro. I've installed it on my HD2 and found it was not at all useable without a D-pad. I just couldn't get it to work right.
mrpachy said:
I've used Flexmail for this purpose. It can integrate yahoo, gmail, hotmail, and other types of POP mail accounts and send them to you via imap push. With Flexmail, you can set rules for incoming emails so that they automatically sort into folders on your phone. I like it a lot.
Go to pocketinformant.com for more info
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Gmail does everything you listed as well via pop, imap push, and exchange for free. If you use the exchange setup you can sync your calendar and contacts as well, works great.
Great recommendation by Franwella.
Hi,
I use Gmail for this too, works well.
using Gmail is the right solution. I'm using it and it's a lot confortable.
bye
http://www.google.com/support/mobile/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=138636
Try this
thank you all for the responses...idk why i didnt think about this, although i have a similar set up lols!
I've looked all over..and can't find a section that mentions push mail from yahoo, aol, etc.
I'm coming from the iPhone so the push mail works on the Yahoo side and I believe on the aol side.
I know that MS exchange has push feature to the phone but what about the other standards? gmail?
I noticed on Cookies HT there is a push mail icon but that did not work (i take it that's for ms direct push?)
Lastly...is there a setting or app that allows ALL mail to send / receive vs just doing one account at a time (annoying)?
Thank you!
the microsoft direct push functionality (supported on ALL windows mobile devices in at least the past 3-4 years) works with ANY microsoft exchange server.
this means it will work for gmail (i am using it myself!) because google has the exchange server on their end. google itself provides a generic windows mobile tutorial on how to set it up and you can find a video guide on youtube specifically on how to set it up on a stock HD2 (technique should work on custom ROMs too). my only additional advice is to back up your contacts (either to microsoft myphone or using pimbackup) before proceeding because the google sync can also upload your contacts to google, and you don't want your contacts to get nuked in case something goes wrong during the initial sync. another potential confusion you might face is that you will see the labels set up on gmail as folders on your device's client. by default, syncing of folders is disabled, but you can go into "manage folders" under one of the menus when viewing your inbox on the device to pick the folders that you want to sync in addition to the inbox. finally, the first sync may take several minutes (even an hour) depending on the duration you have set up to sync (i use a setting for last one month worth of emails) and on your connection speed (try to use wifi for the first sync).
i don't know about yahoo or aol but if they support the microsoft exchange server on their side, then push email should theoretically work in these cases also.
all in all, i rather like the functionality because it is highly configurable. you can even set up "schedules" such that it works in push mode on, say, weekdays from noon to midnight and switch to, say, 4 hour poll mode while you are sleeping.
then again, i haven't experienced push email on any other device such as the black berry or iphone so my view point is rather limited.
Simply put yes. I have yahoo pop3 servive and get my yahoo mail just fine on the HD2
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Simply put yes. I have yahoo pop3 servive and get my yahoo mail just fine on the HD2
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pop3 in "poll mode" is different from push email, which is what the OP was asking about.
however, for most practical purposes, pop3/imap in quick poll mode (like once every 5 minutes) is really not that bad, but it might adversely affect battery life.
i suppose poll mode is fine for most of us but some individuals/businessmen might rely on quick email delivery straight to their phone so its more logical to consider poll vs push as two separate technologies in discussions!
Do the folders selected to be sync with inbox will sync automatically?
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another potential confusion you might face is that you will see the labels set up on gmail as folders on your device's client. by default, syncing of folders is disabled, but you can go into "manage folders" under one of the menus when viewing your inbox on the device to pick the folders that you want to sync in addition to the inbox.
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Hi,
I was searching for this and thank you for letting me know how to do it! I didn't know there is a "manage folders" option until I scroll down (Din knew I can scroll down, lol)
By the way, as mentioned above, do the folders selected sync automatically? Will they appear on the mail tab?
Thank you.
guys i have been searching for a way to get push email with yahoo on my hd2 but till now i got nowhere!i get into activesync but iam suck on where i have to write "domain" and "server" details!any help appreciated!
fuorigioco1981 said:
guys i have been searching for a way to get push email with yahoo on my hd2 but till now i got nowhere!i get into activesync but iam suck on where i have to write "domain" and "server" details!any help appreciated!
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you can create an exchange account using your gmail login,if you have it,otherwise you can create a new gmail account and use it for send/receive your mail in push:in gmail web page you must add your yahoo account for check and than configure the exchange as i explane!
pop3 is NOT push. There is a delay. Depends on when you have it checking.
As far as i know, the default windows mobile does NOT support push email for yahoo. If you want push email, use seven like i did. Worked fine on my hd2.
http://community.seven.com/main.php
It will allow push email from yahoo and many others. It is NOT an email app where you read them in seven, but a tool to push it to your phones normal email program. (what you would be using now)
I have been using it for a long time and had no problem.