When I use my Nike for more than 2 minutes while browsing the web using my 3G connection it gets quite hot on the lower part of the backside (isn't this the area with the cpu/chipset?). Although I have not measured the exact temperature it gets well over 40 degrees celsius on the outside already.
I also notice a lot of battery usage but that might also be because of the screen being on all the time, though the chipset might be sucking away a lot of battery power as well, judging from the heat dissipation.
Is this behaviour normal or should I go and have it checked/repaired?
It's normal. Mine's the same.
I got a new Niki after my old was damaged, none of them gets hot.
As far as I know this could be caused by a wrong Radio Version. Did you flash the Niki with another Radio Version than shipped?
High battery usage could be caused by some tools (e.g. S2U2)
Nope, the phone is running a HTC original WM6.1. The phone isn't even hardspl-unlocked
The windows installation itself is pretty clean: no special tools except total commander, opera and tomtom, of which none are running.
You state that it does not get hot. Does it get warm though, or really nothing special? Are you using GPRS(2G) or UMTS/HSDPA(3/3.5G)?
Yes, I'm using 3G. My phone is only a bit warm when connection to PC and flashing/trying ROMs (> charging & lots of CPU usage)
Mine heats up when using the data connection as well. I've got the standard radio rom.
This is a well known issue in NIKI, don't worry (except if the temperature is too hot); but i have tried many radios and it gets hot when you use HSPDA.
this is because when you connect it to usb it also charges the battery which the connection for the battery and i believe the processor are at the same board. It usually gets hot where the sim is located under the battery. if you use the phone alot to call also it will get hot. i don't think it's an issue i think it does that because of the location of the processor..... Yes i did open my phone
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...definitive solution to the overheating (and subsequent crap battery life) issue with the Tytn/Hermes/8525?
This seems to be one of the most prevalent hardware-related problems I've encountered after perusal of numerous boards.
Charging, it heats up. Duh. Fine. Disconnect, put it in my breast pocket after it cools down, twiddle my thumbs. During this whole time, for purposes of this test, EVERYTHING is switched off: phone radio, wifi, bt, push, and as many of the background processes as I can kill without having the phone hang on me.
You'd think the symptoms would be the same every time. But nooooo...this thing has a mind of its own. Sometimes it'll be 5 mins before I start feeling the heat, sometimes 40. It's totally unpredictable. I've tried every way I can find to extend the battery life with no luck; this is getting retarded.
So: Battery life drops drastically once the thing starts heating up. But not before. From 3PM to 4PM today, battery life was at 100% and did not move. Sweeeet! I thought...too soon. Got that warm and fuzzy feeling - then it's in free fall. 10% down in 45mins, another 20% by 5:30, dead as a doornail by 8PM. That's exactly FIVE hours of "standby" with ZERO activity. Screen was turned on maybe 4 times just to check battery status. 200 hours of standby?? Sure, in a deep freezer packed with dry ice...
Installed Batti: if anyone with close to normal (advertised?) battery life has also installed it, could you tell me what your temperatures are like? When I'm charging, I'm at 35.6C. My voltage is at 4.213V - this might be the problem since the battery is listed as a 3.7V 1500mAH. Also, I removed the charger for about 30 seconds after Batti said it was charged, then reinserted it. It took about 30 minutes to tell me again that it was full - all the while listing the "Percent" as 100%. Gah!
Anyway - back to the reason I've posted:
1) Is this a phone issue, tweak/registry/software issue, or a good old fashioned battery issue? I've got another battery coming in shortly but it's nothing special, not sure of the brand, just want to compare it to this one - which is a Seidio.
2) If anyone else has had this problem and solved it, please let me know what you did.
3) This phone is for sale if anyone wants it and knows how to fix it. Other than the 5 hours of battery life, the phone is perfect.
Thanks all!
The only time I've ever had this problem was when I installed the very first Palringo mobile beta, and it continuously polled the Palringo servers whenever it was connected... I had a battery life of about an hour and a half!
I can only suggest you have some poorly-written app on your device which is polling some piece of hardware or using (or trying to use!) the data connection, subsequently failing and looping round to try again and again.
I'm not using Batti (using the BatteryStatus Today Screen plugin), but it shows temps - I'm charging my device at the moment and it shows ~41 degrees celcius. When I unplug the charger, I have about 70mW usage and when I tap to turn the backlight back on it roughly doubles (backlight on its lowest setting). Using roughly 40-45mA just idling, I have push mail turned on and ActiveSync is syncing probably every 5/10 minutes or so (can't remember the interval).
I get about a day's worth of usage including regular phone usage, data usage, then locking the device (including turning the backlight off) when it's just on the desk or in my pocket (less if I have BT turned on all the time, obviously). All I can think of is that you have some app on there which is either interacting with something else or causing the problem itself.
@slidizzy:
what is the manufacturer name on the battery?
There are threads around about certain manufacturer brands (there are a couple of different brands) and their performance..
i had a dynatec and it was crappy.. took it back and got a sanyo battery and all was good...
Possible solution - Same geographic location
Hi. I seemed to have the same problem recently. I think my radio was the new 1.54.00.10. I have two batteries and each one was killed in 6 to 8 hours.
I first downgraded the radio to 1.51.00.10 and it seemed a little bit better, but upon upgrading to 1.54.70.00, it seemed to have gone away. My OS is Pandora's 7.1 w/ 3.62.
With 1.51.00.10, I was able to get over a day's worth of life on one charge in 3G/H mode. It seems this 1.54.70.00 is giving me more life, but I'm still testing.
Maybe give this a try, upgrading to 1.54.70.00 and a 3.62 os. No problems for me so far and it seems like it's a keeper!
Hope this helps!
Quakie
Soft reset when it starts getting warm, soft reset after charging if it is warm when on the charger.
My 8525 used to have this problem, but it went away on its own. However, soft resets when the device felt warm did solve the problem when it was occurring. Note that my phone is no longer warm while charging, either.
A lot of people try various radio upgrades/downgrades and ROM changes to fix this, but I think that's on the wrong track as I've never seen anyone report that doing these things made any difference. However, if you're not using WM6, I recommend at least making that change.
Other than that, hit the reset button if it starts to feel warm for no reason and after charging, and you should be fine.
My guess on this is that there is some kind of problem where the device thinks it is plugged in when it isn't, and then it over stresses the battery causing the heat and fast battery drain.
My experience
I am on Rogers in Canada, the same company that owns Fido, and I wonder if there is a problem with their network/ActiveSync/3G/units compatibility.
carrier: Rogers wireless (Canada)
device: branded HTC TyTN WM 5
ROM: 1.34.631.14
Radio: 1.42.00.00
Recently activated Push Email and connecting to exchange server via Activesync. Push requires an "always-on" data connection. It seemed to have been working fine for about 2 days, then suddenly my unit started to heat up significantly, (luckily no screen warp), and my battery would drain from 100% to 0% in 5 hours (if I was lucky). Unsatisifed with Rogers suggestion that replacing the unit with a refurbished unit was the way to go... I continued my research and experimentation and 48 hours later here is whatI came upwith so far:
1) Hard Reset - did not help the situation
2) Soft Reset when heating up - did not help the situation
3) Most frequently associated activity - ActiveSync on with 3G Data Connecton enabled and server directed to exchange server... no difference depending on how often I had the mobile device ping the exchange server. The heat and battery drain occurred while the TyTN was in hibernation (dead unit in the AM when I awoke).
4) Battery drain modifiers - worsens with worsening heat, worsens and acclerates if you remain in an area of low signal (less than 2 bars showing)
Best solution(s)/explanation(s) to date:
1) 3G is a battery killer - it uses a lower intenisty signal, and it generally draws heavier on the battery and hardware when using the network
2) In Phone settings, switching your Band to GSM (2G) fixes the device into one band (does not allow automatic switching and constant detection of best signal). Unless you are a real Power User and rely heavily on every ounce of speed that can be squeezed out of 3G there is no noticeable difference.
3) I have switched off the "receive allincoming beams" for the Ir interface to conserve every mV of power in my battery.
4) Since the switch (a few hours now) I have had no heat issues and the voltage has remained stable with ActiveSync on and mild websurfing to download a couple of CABs... granted it is minimal usage as it is 2:30AM but I think this may be the trick (on Rogers with a TyTN anyways)
I'll keep an eye on this and do some more analysis on the battery... Any input readily welcomed...
M
sounds like you simply need to buy a new battery.
It's not a tumoh!
Doesn't seem to be battery...
I recently tweaked reg with some battery hacks, locked it into 2G and all has been well. Holding a charge with the data connection engaged 24/7 - drops to about 65% charge over 24h, having to charge only every 2nd/3rd day...
M
Hi,
i have noticed that my phone is very warm when i make a phone call with it, yesterday i had a long phone call, about 1 hour and the phone crashed during the call (no blinking led, no reaction from the display, nothing). First i thought the battery was low, i pluged the battery charger in the phone but nothing happens, no blinking LED, no reaction from the phone. I took out the battery and pluged it again in but notting happend. After 30 Minutes i tryed to turn the phone on again and it worked.
So i think this was a heat problem.
I have the Firmware from Tom installed and the Radio Version RUU Nike Radio 1.58.16.27.
Has got any one noticed the same problems ?? I hope this is not a hardware bug.
well phone gets warm from time to time - but nothing one should worry about. do you use 3g ?
also i use the latest modded kaiser radio from netrunner and personally feel battery life is much better and also signal.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=369502
phone crash may have various reason of which the most are software related.
as from your description it appears like it was a heat problem but again - i never heard that before ....
no i dont use 3g at the moment, 3g was turned off.....
i hope this happens not again, i only had this one time yet. we will see on the next phone call that takes longer what is happening.....
mine gets very warm at the bottom too. It is normal I think.
I have a constant connection to the net via gprs now as when i have a constant 3g/hsdpa connection the phone is hot. The phone is also hot when charging. Maybe they will add some tweaks to improve the batterylife and temp like powerstepping or something to reduce the power used when its not needed and also lower the temp.
Hmm... This seems important. I find that leaving it constantly on, and for example, chatting via some type of IM app really makes it warm. I'm going to use my extended battery tomorrow, and see how it lasts. Wish me luck!
I have a problem with Niki heating up, but it heats up heavily when charging; using acbPowerMeter i read 700mA .. when in standby it says ~45mA. With a Tytn i didn't noticed a heating problem when charging.
Did you ever read the current when you noticed the heating ?
sackbauer said:
well phone gets warm from time to time - but nothing one should worry about. do you use 3g ?
also i use the latest modded kaiser radio from netrunner and personally feel battery life is much better and also signal.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=369502
phone crash may have various reason of which the most are software related.
as from your description it appears like it was a heat problem but again - i never heard that before ....
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THANKS FOR THAT ADVICE!!! running the modded kaiser rom and its ultra low battery consumption!!!
Anyone else notice their G1 getting a lot warmer when charging or heavy use other than any other phone?
Yes i have but only when i have it on home charger or usb connected from phone to computer. Gets very hot when i have on charger and using it at the same time so i leave it alone till its done charging up.
stats555 said:
Yes i have but only when i have it on home charger or usb connected from phone to computer. Gets very hot when i have on charger and using it at the same time so i leave it alone till its done charging up.
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Battery Temperature reaches 39Celsius in my when charging and in use. After finish charging drops to about 29 C...
I notice that if you use the G1 when charging, it does get warm, but is okay if you just let it charge. Hot chin- hot chin!
Mine was just heating up, but I was on 3G at the time.
Mine gets hot right under the trackball if I'm using it heavily while it's charging. It's usually fine if I'm using it unplugged or when I'm just charging it but not doing anything on it.
Are you all using 3G? I know that since 3G is based on WCDMA, regular CDMA phones always get hot as f*ck when you use them for prolonged periods, so maybe that's part of it.
Doesn't get as hot as the diamond. Chihuahua, that diamond gets hot.
Interestingly it's not really the battery getting hot, but the processor. I think that's true on the diamond and G1. If you notice the bottom is the hottest, and the battery is actually about the middle of the device-back (true of diamond and G1).
Haha my dash used to do this for the first couple of months, it seemed to calm down later on.
My wing gets just as hot when I am using wifi and on the charger. I think it is because most the power is being pushed directly into and then out of the battery.
Google G1 Hot As a Pistol on 3G
Yes, I just got my Google G1 (10/21/08), and still have my ATT 8925 Tilt just in case it doesn't work out. I too have noticed the G1 Battery cover getting warm and the power being drained whenever: 1) operating in 3G and/or 2) GPS On.
I am thinking of swtiching because T-Mobile decided to use 1700MHz instead of the ATT 1800MHz to implement their 3G network.
Pros: Excellant - Formfactor; screen (smaller than iPhone); keyboard, general speed - about 2x compared to WM6.1, APP: HTC Touch flow, Android Market, integration with Google - gmail, groups, etc; Call Quality; more bars than ATT TILT on t-mobile network
Cons: Runs Hot, NO software: REAL NAV SW vice google maps (TT7), bible program (eSword), games (I miss MS Solitare, Astroware Bejeweled 2, ZUMA) are missed
I live in El Segundo, CA (by LAX) and need the NAV SW to find my way around the LA area. Since I can't leave the GPS receiver on ...
helake_ca (but can't change my id).
My htc dream get's extremely hot when using wifi while charging let alone charging.
I've noticed it previously during usage (like on the internet while having MSN running, or while playing games)
but I just got off a phone call which lasted about 20 minutes, and the front (and back) of my phone was just too warm for me to ignore. I would have suggested that it was the heat from my cheek against the phone but that wouldn't explain how the phone was quite noticeably warmer than my cheek.
The backlight wasn't on (i doubt the LED backlight would cause much heat anyway).
Does the mega have any internal temperature sensors like PC's have? And any software to read them?
My previous phones NEVER got this hot on even hour long calls,
and mix this with the fact that at my work one of the PDA's blew up a few weeks ago (was the battery), it just makes me that more paranoid!
I am going to Hard Reset soon anyway as things started running a little slowly recently, I hope it will also stop any hidden processes that may be running in the background and overworking the cpu. But I would still like to know of any software
Weznezz said:
I've noticed it previously during usage (like on the internet while having MSN running, or while playing games)
but I just got off a phone call which lasted about 20 minutes, and the front (and back) of my phone was just too warm for me to ignore. I would have suggested that it was the heat ..../QUOTE]
I think its pretty normal to heat up during long conversation. Their manual also says "Using any function for long time will heat up the phone", but only upto a level.
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i've never experienced warming of the phone which is coused by operating it , well maybe just a lil utube watching for an hour but it was warm of my hands , i'm only worried when i leave it charging and after 15-20 mins LOL ! the phone is HOT i know that is normal , just sharing opinion
Heat comes from 2 sources in general external and internal.
External is from sun, your hands or phone in your pocket. On longer run this is not good for battery life.
Using navigation in your car during summer can run your phone real hot and feels quite uncomfortable! From a 20 min call it should not. But this is subjective.
Internal heat is caused when your processor has to work hard; like when several programs running and processes in back ground. You can check and kill them with task manager (FDC soft task manager) and batteryguard. Also soft reset kills most "unwanted" processes. A good indication for high level of processor activity is when your battery level goes quickly down.
Its normal mate, on mine when i use GPS for long time it does the same, processor works hard and battery gets hot.
Not sure if navigation alone causes your battery to run hot. Since navigation can run on 200Mhz processors and Mega processor has much higher clock speed it is overspecified.
The influence of phone close to windscreen and therefor impact of light/sun may be much bigger. When I run navigation (TomTom) in winter phone stays nicely "cool".
Not sure if it could help but once i noticed the Mega too warm and discharging instead of charging, after i connected it to the notebook via usb cable!
Rebooted PC and HTC and everything luckly returned normal...
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Not sure if it could help but once i noticed the Mega too warm and discharging instead of charging, after i connected it to the notebook via usb cable!
Rebooted PC and HTC and everything luckly returned normal...
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Indeed a soft reset in most cases solves this.
I have a serious probleme with my Leo HD2 T-Mobile which I bought from USA; it is overheating and stopping charging after about 10 mn of using GPS (Tomtom, ou IGO) in my car.
Anyone has a solution for this probleme?
That's kind of a short time. I know I can get away with at least 30 minutes or more depending on the temperature outside ( no AC right now) before it will start acting up.
You could try flashing a different radio. Might have to go through a couple before finding a good blend of lower power(less heat) and good reception.
If you have something other than a hard case on your phone take it off , that rubber shell that comes with the HD2 will overheat your phone in record time if using GPS or other heavy apps for extended periods of time ...
Also turn off 3g(you are driving, this will stop it from searching constantly for 3g), help save power and heat, make sure wifi is off ...
I drove 4 hours today using TomTom the whole way, and did not have a heating problem , but don't stick the phone up on TOP of your dash in the direct sun, it will get soo hot you can't touch it, even if it is off, the phone is black and metal collects heat like no body's business ...
Also a good point is to unplug it from the charger once in a while, like a half hour every 2 hours ....
Just some pointers that I use, and mine does not overheat ...
Its a known issue, while using the gps, the phone is working at full cpu speed, and its charging at the same time, If the phone sees fit it will use some of the power coming in and use it to power the phone more so then charge the battery.
I used to come across this problem a bit, using it as a tether most of the day as i am a service tech and use it in place of an actual cellular modem.