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I am supposedly in a UTMS/HSDPA zone (Detroit MI). The phone show me a "U" in the status bar. I've read the speed is around 1.5Mb/s. But I am getting only 30KB/s - 50KB/s MAX using the Hermes as a bluetooth modem! This sucks!
Is this speed limited by bluetooth? If I use the phone as a USB modem instead, does that increase the speed significantly? It's a much more involved setup to do this however.
Or am I missing something? These speeds are atrociuos for what I am paying. I expect MUCH MUCH higher speeds. Please someone enlighten me or I am going to cancel the stupid service.
Very frustrated. Thanks for any input.
Anyone?
I have the same problem via USB, here 60 miles north of Manila, Philippines. Best I can figure, it has to do with the radio stack being used...? I am using Orange m3100, but my buddies in Manila using Dopod 838 Pro and/or Universal, get real 3G speeds with no special settings...
What version of BT is on your laptop? Older versions than 2.0 are very slow. I use USB and get 700 Kbps avg with 2 bars of UMTS in Bay area, CA.
anubus12 - partly the answer gave you Chirunavvutho. Check what kind of BT adapter you have in your computer, which version.
Go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth for details about versions and about speeds.
But, in my opinion and my practice BT option is much slower then USB connection. First of all all interference with other radios (especially WiFi [same bandwith], and other apliences like CRT monitors and TV, microwave ovens even fridge - it sounds weird but they do interfere.
Second - when your device has to be like a midleman, and has to use GSM/WCDMA radio to get information and then send it by BT radio it will limit it's speed. Actually both speed end efficency. That is why it is better to use USB.
Third - I do not know which version of HSDPA has Cingular in your area. Remember that even if they have 3.6 Mbps speeds may be much lower, due to many reasons - lot of users, kloged backbone etc.
Forth - for info on HSDPA go to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSDPA
drummer10630 - find out FieldTest_157 here on xda-developers. It is monitoring application for Hermes. Find if you have HSDPA in your area. Remember that pure UMTS (WCDMA) has only 384 kbps. This app will tell you what kind of connection you have. You have here also manual if you do not know what to look for.
Hope this helps you guys
No EDR
The Hermes/TyTN supports Bluetooth 2.0 but not EDR. The maximum speed is 721 kbit/s, or about 90 kbyte/s.
abubasim said:
The Hermes/TyTN supports Bluetooth 2.0 but not EDR. The maximum speed is 721 kbit/s, or about 90 kbyte/s.
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My buddy has a PCMCIA Card with EVDO Rev0. I put it the same computer and got constant DL rates at around 100Kb/s. That is very acceptable.
Using BT 2.0, it's horrible. I don't get anywhere close to 90Kb/sec.
So now, it might make more sense that USB would yield higher download rates. MAYBE.
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anubus12 - partly the answer gave you Chirunavvutho. Check what kind of BT adapter you have in your computer, which version.
Go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth for details about versions and about speeds.
But, in my opinion and my practice BT option is much slower then USB connection. First of all all interference with other radios (especially WiFi [same bandwith], and other apliences like CRT monitors and TV, microwave ovens even fridge - it sounds weird but they do interfere.
Second - when your device has to be like a midleman, and has to use GSM/WCDMA radio to get information and then send it by BT radio it will limit it's speed. Actually both speed end efficency. That is why it is better to use USB.
Third - I do not know which version of HSDPA has Cingular in your area. Remember that even if they have 3.6 Mbps speeds may be much lower, due to many reasons - lot of users, kloged backbone etc.
Forth - for info on HSDPA go to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSDPA
drummer10630 - find out FieldTest_157 here on xda-developers. It is monitoring application for Hermes. Find if you have HSDPA in your area. Remember that pure UMTS (WCDMA) has only 384 kbps. This app will tell you what kind of connection you have. You have here also manual if you do not know what to look for.
Hope this helps you guys
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Thank you very much for the clarification. I'll check USB out to see if the x-fer rate is faster.
As to FiedlTest_157, I downloaded the manual and can't really make heads or tails of how to read it. The manual gives you some parameters, but how do I know what type of connection I have? UTMS/HSDPDA or EDGE?
anubus12 - let me tell you few things and then I will answer your questions. OK?
If you want to have fast data access for your PC - use PCMCIA cards or build in systems - IBM has few notebooks with it, other I do not care
I can assure you that it will be quicker then any connection via USB/BT because hardware and software (drivers and apps) are dedicated only to handle DUN (dial up networking).
So there is no point of comparing PCMCIA cards to PocketPC telephones. Especially when you are using two different networks.
I had HTC Apache in Sprint and Hermes in T-Mobile/Cingular and then I can tell you that Sprint network is simply faster then Cingular. First of all Sprint in my area is fully EVDO-Rev.0 and Cingular is UMTS sometimes HSDPA or EDGE depends on radio used, interference, or even air (windy/raining/t-storm - it has some influence).
HTC Hermes just like other PocketPC handles DUN well, but it is more like backup connection, not when you need it all the time. Just get the info and finish connection. Not because price per MB but they were not build to work this way. You need PCMCIA cards for that purpose (constant net access).
Most of people here might disagree but if you are not traveling internationally on regular basis - use Sprint or Verizon - it is faster and more reliable. Sorry guys its the truth.
When T-Mobile will start 3G it might be different thou T-Mobile has expirence in other countries but other networks has this advantage.
If you traver internationally then you have to use Cingular or T-Mobile. For corporate use I would choose Cingular for personal T-Mobile.
My point is that you cannot compare something which is not comperable. Back to your questions.
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As to FiedlTest_157, I downloaded the manual and can't really make heads or tails of how to read it. The manual gives you some parameters, but how do I know what type of connection I have? UTMS/HSDPDA or EDGE?
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OK, let me put it in the easy way
You have Cingular so your only choice is UMTS/HSDPA (3G) and EDGE (2G) because Cingular claims that it's network is fully EDGE enabled.
When on top screen bar you have G (or when using aku 3.3 - E) you are going to GSM (for basic data), AMR (for speach codecs), GPRS (for data connection).
When on top screen bar you have U (or when using aku 3.3 U or H) you are going to WCDMA (for basic data) or HSDPA CQI Status (for knowledge is HSDPA is in use). Well if you see H (aku 3.3) you know that you are in HSDPA area. But if you are using aku 2.3 you are going to HSDPA CQI Status.
You have to know that GSM/GPRS/EDGE data are time and usage driven due to it is TDMA network (Time Division Multiple Access). It means that network data are given to you every few seconds. Because data transfers it is usage then when you are finished data is 0 because nothing is happening. You have to monitor during transfer.
UMTS/HSDPA data are event driven due to it is CDMA network (Code Division Multiple Access). It means that you will see something during and after event. Like after download, but you have to have FieldTest open during download to record data. You are in HSDPA when after/during download in HDSPA CQI Status group CQI1-10 fields are more then 0.
Hope this helps, if you have more question just ask
I use both bluetooth and usb on the cingular network with my tytn.
And yes, bluetooth is much slower than usb regardless of the type of bluetooth on the pc.
I usually get 300-400 on bluetooth and 800-1300 on usb. higher speeds with vista vs xp (don't know why tho) I doubt you will ever get 1.5 mbs as you mention, unless you are the only person using that particular cell tower
@Pawlisko....My problem is that I do get 3G speeds when using the unit itself, browsing, streaming, etc..., but when I use it as a modem for my laptop, from the same location, during the same time frame, I only get one tenth the speeds. Are there different versions of the USBMDM.inf that would cause such a thing? I have experimented with init string settings, and for some reason, using NO init string gives me the fastest speeds.
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I usually get 300-400 on bluetooth and 800-1300 on usb. higher speeds with vista vs xp (don't know why tho) I doubt you will ever get 1.5 mbs as you mention, unless you are the only person using that particular cell tower
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eagle 1 - By your end of quote I can tell you that still you are thinking old way
Huge advantage of CDMA is it's multi connection to tower bases. There is no handover like in TDMA system. In large city your cell might be served by many towers (TyTN 1 to 6).
HSDPA is regarding of category 0.9/1.2/1.8/3.6 Mbps (current). During 2007 CeBit in Hanover 7.3 Mbps will be shown. It will go thru 10.2 to 14.4 Mbps (max) in near future. Of course like any other link you have to substract overhead of TCP/IP protocol data of avg. 20%.
Like fast ethenet - suppose to be 100 Mbps = 12.5 MBps, if you will get 80 Mbps = 10 MBps of real transfer you have very fast network.
If you have more questions - ask
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@Pawlisko....My problem is that I do get 3G speeds when using the unit itself, browsing, streaming, etc..., but when I use it as a modem for my laptop, from the same location, during the same time frame, I only get one tenth the speeds. Are there different versions of the USBMDM.inf that would cause such a thing? I have experimented with init string settings, and for some reason, using NO init string gives me the fastest speeds.
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drummer10630 - did you check your speed using any speed tester? Sometimes speed is relative. Remember that some pages are optimised for PDAs with less ads, better html coding etc.
First of all - do not change anything - no strings. Just put your APN in TyTN and dial *98# should be the fastest way.
Second - check if you have installed in your computer software like IM/update that will use some band without your knowledge. That can kill your connection for good.
And last - delete everything for comp - inf files, and related dlls. Install one more time and do not change anything. As plan as it can be.
As usualy - if you have more questions - ask
I can get about 70KB/s download with my laptop's built-in bluetooth module ( 2.0+edr) and tytn and about 150KB/s via usb ( i'm in Italy with VODAFONE operator ).
Using a 1.2 BT dongle on the pc will reduce speed at about 40KB/s ... this is the connection speed from the pc to the device and not from the device and the operator network ( network speed is independent from your pc to tytn connection ).
Just a question : how can be the tytn BT 2.0 without edr since the specs tell that only differences from 1.2 bt vers and 2.0 bt vers is only the speed increase and there isn't a 2.0 without edr in the bt specs ???
vdavide said:
I can get about 70KB/s download with my laptop's built-in bluetooth module ( 2.0+edr) and tytn and about 150KB/s via usb ( i'm in Italy with VODAFONE operator ).
Using a 1.2 BT dongle on the pc will reduce speed at about 40KB/s ... this is the connection speed from the pc to the device and not from the device and the operator network ( network speed is independent from your pc to tytn connection ).
Just a question : how can be the tytn BT 2.0 without edr since the specs tell that only differences from 1.2 bt vers and 2.0 bt vers is only the speed increase and there isn't a 2.0 without edr in the bt specs ???
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OK, let me answer.
I do not know how abubasim knows that TyTN does not have EDR but this is meaningless.
Your speeds are normal. First of all maximum speed is something which normally is never achived. Why? Because of interference, not optimal power scheme etc. Just like WiFi (IEEE 802.11g) you will never get transfer of 54 Mbps = 6.75 MBps even with protocols overhead (of 20%) = 5.4 MBps. Real transfer is 1.5-2.5 MBps.
Now BT speeds:
BT 1.2 - 721 kbps = 90.125 kBps = real transfer max 72.1 kBps so your speed of 40 kBps is normal with this type. I would said that this is good link speed.
BT 2.0 - 3 Mbps = 384 kBps = real transfer max 307.2 kBps but as per wikipedia data transfer is 3xBT 1.2 = 2.11 Mbps = 270.375 kBps = real transfer max 216.3 kBps so your transfer of 70 kBps is roughly 1/3 so it is about right. I would say that 110 kBps is what you may get, if more you are lucky.
I do not know if TyTN has EDR - in my opinion it may have, but it has to be chcecked.
Hope this helps, if you have any other questions - ask
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First of all - do not change anything - no strings. Just put your APN in TyTN and dial *98# should be the fastest way.
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You may have meant *99# ? ;-)
@Pawlisko :
i think the tytn has 2.0+EDR also if HTC website say 2.0 without edr ( this mean nothing if you read the BT specs ) .
I was using a samsung Z560 HSDPA before ( BT 1.2) and max download speed via BT in conjunction to my 2.0+edr laptop never reach up to 40KB/s.
Now with tytn i can reach up to 70KB/s and a stable 55KB/s , i mean tytn has real BT2.0+edr imho...
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You may have meant *99# ? ;-)
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Right. My bad
Something that you may not have thought of. Set the baud rate on your Bluetooth serial ports to the highest rate at which you can communicate. Mine is set for 460Kbps. It made a serious difference for me. I didn't perform any measurements but I did see the difference. The default rate is 115200. This was the mistake that most folks made with standard modems. The default serial port rate was 9600 and a 56K modem needed to have data fed to it at at least 115200 to keep its compression engine busy. It didn't matter if you had a 56K data connection if you were only feeding it at 9600. The same principle seems to apply here, at least in my case.
Just my .02.
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Something that you may not have thought of. Set the baud rate on your Bluetooth serial ports to the highest rate at which you can communicate. Mine is set for 460Kbps. It made a serious difference for me. I didn't perform any measurements but I did see the difference. The default rate is 115200. This was the mistake that most folks made with standard modems. The default serial port rate was 9600 and a 56K modem needed to have data fed to it at at least 115200 to keep its compression engine busy. It didn't matter if you had a 56K data connection if you were only feeding it at 9600. The same principle seems to apply here, at least in my case.
Just my .02.
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How do you set the modem to 460Kbps? The bluetooth modem is set as a standard modem at 115200, which is the MAX. I don't see an option for 460kps. Are you saying to set it up the BT connection as something other than a standard modem?
Ive been a happy orange customer for years, their 3G service ive found to be great in my area.
However since joining tmobile (cannot fault the data charges and their web and walk plan, spot on) ive found that i got 3G prob once upstairs in my house but havent had it since then.
I can always access the internet with the G symbol but was just wondering how you guys are doing and what you have noticed? Good 3G coverage?
I have a SPV M3100 and thats on Orange and thats got 3G at my work and at home, full Signal. Went into the street check and that says i should have a decent 3G coverage at both work and home to.
Any suggestions? Ive checked in the Phone and Band settings and ive set it to auto or manually and its still the same.
Thanks
Ran some tests...
I thought id check to see if the G was perhaps not updating to 3G as it should do, being an owner of SPVs and other HTC phones in the past i know there can be issues with windows mobile updating things sometimes.
Determind to see the speed difference I used my Ameo I went onto www.bandwidthplace.com/speedtest and entered Wireless 3G and this is the results i got.
187 kilobits per second
Communcations: 187 kilobits per second
Storage: 22.8 kilobits per second
1mb file download: 44.9 seconds
Subjective rating: Mediocre
Looks to me like its def GPRS rather than 3G.
Then i used my SPV M3100:
271.9 kilobits per second
Communcations: 271.9 kilobits per second
Storage: 33.2 kilobits per second
1mb file download: 30.9 seconds
Subjective rating: Mediocre
Its very strange as the SPV M3100 seemed to fly compared to the Ameo.
Its not a major speed difference and the fact im on the Web n Walk tariff is great as the costs are all inclusive in the montly charge but i do use my Ameo on my laptop as a modem and it can be painfully slow sometimes.
Will be interested to see what results other people get and also if i was to get the 3G icon at the top of my Ameo screen, what speed that would report back.
mmm!
tomchap said:
I thought id check to see if the G was perhaps not updating to 3G as it should do, being an owner of SPVs and other HTC phones in the past i know there can be issues with windows mobile updating things sometimes.
Determind to see the speed difference I used my Ameo I went onto www.bandwidthplace.com/speedtest and entered Wireless 3G and this is the results i got.
187 kilobits per second
Communcations: 187 kilobits per second
Storage: 22.8 kilobits per second
1mb file download: 44.9 seconds
Subjective rating: Mediocre
Looks to me like its def GPRS rather than 3G.
Then i used my SPV M3100:
271.9 kilobits per second
Communcations: 271.9 kilobits per second
Storage: 33.2 kilobits per second
1mb file download: 30.9 seconds
Subjective rating: Mediocre
Its very strange as the SPV M3100 seemed to fly compared to the Ameo.
Its not a major speed difference and the fact im on the Web n Walk tariff is great as the costs are all inclusive in the montly charge but i do use my Ameo on my laptop as a modem and it can be painfully slow sometimes.
Will be interested to see what results other people get and also if i was to get the 3G icon at the top of my Ameo screen, what speed that would report back.
mmm!
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i am also with T-mobile, and i got 1.2Mb per sec, that's 1200 kilobits per second, that is the speed you should get if you have HSDPA coverage.
Not sure where you are, but on Cingular USA. the phone switches to whichever signal is stronger. Well in reality, if 3g signal is weak and gprs/edge signal is real strong phone may switch to Gprs/edge.
You may want to set thephone setting network band to use only 3g (wcdma). I do that because in my house, sometimes the phone switches to edge, but if i force the network band to 3g it always stays on 3g and still works great. (again tho i have unlimited data)...
just a thought
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Not sure where you are, but on Cingular USA. the phone switches to whichever signal is stronger. Well in reality, if 3g signal is weak and gprs/edge signal is real strong phone may switch to Gprs/edge.
You may want to set thephone setting network band to use only 3g (wcdma). I do that because in my house, sometimes the phone switches to edge, but if i force the network band to 3g it always stays on 3g and still works great. (again tho i have unlimited data)...
just a thought
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yes, that's what i do, always on 3G, never go to GPRS
No WCDMA in the Ameo?
Im in the Uk and according to the Street Check postcode check i have great coverage at home and a good coverage at work but not according to my Ameo i dont!
I have checked in my Start...Settings...Phone...Band section and this is what i have:
Select your network type.
GSM or Auto (on my SPV M3100 i also have the option of WCDMA but i DONT have this on my Ameo??)
Select your GSM/UTMS band.
Auto or
GSM(900 + 1800) + UMTS(2100) or
GSM(1900 + 850) + UMTS(1900+850)
I have these both set onto Auto and still the G appears. Im aware that it will search and use the strongest band eg GPRS if the 3G signal is weak but im not getting 3G at all.
Any more ideas what it could be? Possibly a faulty phone? Ive emailed tmobile to see what they say, they have a 5 working day backlog of emails to respond to at the mo but they have been good at helping me out before.
Thanks for the info so far, appreciated.
You should also be able to set it to wcdma via a registry edit or an app that sets the band. Cingular in the US hides the network band on the hermes (8525), but a change to the registry makes it display.
Check the hermes forum for the registry or just go over to hermes forum and search for an app by Daniel Herro, he made two of them Bandswitch and Comm Mgr Pro. Comm Mgr pro is the newer app and you should be able to set it to AUto, Gprs or Wcdma..
Sorry I can't remember the exact reg key. But it should be easy to find over at the hermes forum.
Good Luck
Thanks for your help guys, got comm mgr pro and it seems to of done the trick.
Did the test again:
1.2 megabits per second
Communcations: 1.2 megabits per second
Storage: 149.5 kilobytes per second
1mb file download: 6.9 seconds
Subjective rating: Good
Alot lot better! Would also appear that tmobile have a faster 3G connection compared to orange.
All i would say is that is annoying that it seems like it doesnt auto switch like my SPV M3100 does.
Having to choose 3G and then 2G when i dont have a 3G signal may become quite tedious, but i suppose i will find out when im in areas that work and areas that dont and i will become accustomed to tweaking as appropriate.
Getting used to being without the luxory of autoswitching with my M3100 will take some getting used to.
Thanks again for your help, if anyone has any software where the Autoswitching of bands works then please let me know as mines not doing it.
Cheers
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Thanks for your help guys, got comm mgr pro and it seems to of done the trick.
Did the test again:
1.2 megabits per second
Communcations: 1.2 megabits per second
Storage: 149.5 kilobytes per second
1mb file download: 6.9 seconds
Subjective rating: Good
Alot lot better! Would also appear that tmobile have a faster 3G connection compared to orange.
All i would say is that is annoying that it seems like it doesnt auto switch like my SPV M3100 does.
Having to choose 3G and then 2G when i dont have a 3G signal may become quite tedious, but i suppose i will find out when im in areas that work and areas that dont and i will become accustomed to tweaking as appropriate.
Getting used to being without the luxory of autoswitching with my M3100 will take some getting used to.
Thanks again for your help, if anyone has any software where the Autoswitching of bands works then please let me know as mines not doing it.
Cheers
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I have DOPOD U1000, and it does the auto switching for me, i can also set the WCDMA in my phone setting as well.
Just done that test and got 947kbps which isn't too bad really. I was going to say, when I joined t-mob, if the coverage map wasn't accurate and didn't live upto expectations, I had 14days to return the phone. But I'm chuffed with it. Shame they've not got many masts along the west-coast mainline - I had a right internmittent connection on the train yesterday. Still, the chap next to me was impressed when I downloaded the BBC News Video Headlines from their website and played in back, all in about 30secs!
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I have DOPOD U1000, and it does the auto switching for me, i can also set the WCDMA in my phone setting as well.
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Im guessing that tmobile took it out then? mmm. Hopefully when Windows Mobile 6 is released as an upgrade for the Ameo then there may be some sort of fix in there.
For the moment itll have to do as it is.
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Just done that test and got 947kbps which isn't too bad really. I was going to say, when I joined t-mob, if the coverage map wasn't accurate and didn't live upto expectations, I had 14days to return the phone. But I'm chuffed with it. Shame they've not got many masts along the west-coast mainline - I had a right internmittent connection on the train yesterday. Still, the chap next to me was impressed when I downloaded the BBC News Video Headlines from their website and played in back, all in about 30secs!
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I agree with what your saying, the coverage could be better but what they do have is pretty good at the moment. Impressive stuff!
A few of my friends have used my Ameo as a modem and they are surpised at how easily it worked and the it didnt drop a connection, it just worked.
At least I can use the 3G aspect of it as well! Digital.Diablo have you got the Comm Mgr Plus software installed or does yours have the option to swtich in the phone settings?
You can also set comm mgr pro to Auto Select band as well. THen with the various dialogue's you can see the which signal's are available
tomchap,
I've got just standard comm manager installed, and not had problems with the 3G aspect of it so far. The only issues I've got are:-
When going from 3G to wireless lan it doesn't appear to update the default route on the phone, so I have to disable the phone, wait about 60secs, then reenable the phone. Disconnecting the 3G session doesn't seem to work so well, and the phone doesnt seem to be enableable for about 60secs afte disabling. I suspect the routing issue is a WM5 problem, rather than Ameo specific, but it does cause MMS receipt/sending to fail if I'm wifi'd rather than 3G'd to the internet (again, I'm guessing the T-Mobile MMS Servers are inaccesssible from the public 'net). Slightly annoying, but livable with. I may try commmanager+ tonight to see if its any better than the standard one.
HTC X7500 with vodafone ITA. Well with HTC P3600 I always had 3G connection at home even when it was weak, while with Advantage it seems to prefer strong gprs signal...so it switches to 3G signal rarely. I hope it is a SW metter so that with next radio upgrade, its sensibility could be improved...
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HTC X7500 with vodafone ITA. Well with HTC P3600 I always had 3G connection at home even when it was weak, while with Advantage it seems to prefer strong gprs signal...so it switches to 3G signal rarely. I hope it is a SW metter so that with next radio upgrade, its sensibility could be improved...
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why don't you just force the connection to 3G all the time? that's what i do anyway.
ive been playin with comm mmgr plus and if its set to auto, 99% of the time the G is replaced by a cross n the signal strength indicator has a cross through it to.
to be honest, im not impressed with the intermittant some times it works n sometimes it doesnt mentality of the 3g. im hoping the next rom upgrade or major software update fixes it as im sure its a sofware issue. i have asked tmobile via email about it to so will see what they say.
thanks for your help so far.
I am most unfortunate, in that here in my town in Norfolk, (according to T-mobiles "Street Check") I don't have a 3G signal. So all of my data useage is through gprs. I have to say that I'm pleased with the speed that I do get for gprs.
Did u see Chris Moyles this morning?
I tried CommMgr+ last night but it just seemed to make Ameo REALLY unstable, and the program kept crashing out. I've uninstalled it!
Hi all, i've recently upgraded my radio rom and os to radio rom 1.41 and os to wm6 now i know that with the tytn breeds i.e mda vario,tytn,spv M3100 u can get speeds of up to 1.8meg from 3.5g. I'm on t-mobile uk using a debranded spv m3100 the phone show's up the H sign and when i click on it it say's t-mobile (Hsdpa) but my speeds have been slower then 3g for the past couple of days sometimes http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed say's that my connection is only 120kb/s other times it's 300kb/s. once i've had 895kb/s from the connection, at the moment it's showing up on the phone 4 full bars and the h to say i'm using hsdpa & getting 160kb/s with 3g i've had speeds of 333k/bs , other times my signal strengh drops right down to 1 bar and switches between hsdpa & 3g like every 2 minutes or so, i thought that once u've got a hsdpa enabled phone & the area where your using it with your network is hsdpa enabled u should be able to get 1.5meg (t-mobile uk max hsdpa speeds) or is there other things to consider, i have got hsdpa enabled on both the phone & my account (on w&w pro) & the mast for the network is right in front of my house & it is hsdpa enabled for my area so that should'nt make any differnce surly, hope somebody can explain how come my connection on both my phone & laptop is up & down more times then a tart's knickers instead of staying still. thx my spl for my phone is 2.10ipro & the phone is sim unlocked & supercid aswell
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Hi all, i've recently upgraded my radio rom and os to radio rom 1.41 and os to wm6 now i know that with the tytn breeds i.e mda vario,tytn,spv M3100 u can get speeds of up to 1.8meg from 3.5g. I'm on t-mobile uk using a debranded spv m3100 the phone show's up the H sign and when i click on it it say's t-mobile (Hsdpa) but my speeds have been slower then 3g for the past couple of days sometimes http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed say's that my connection is only 120kb/s other times it's 300kb/s. once i've had 895kb/s from the connection, at the moment it's showing up on the phone 4 full bars and the h to say i'm using hsdpa & getting 160kb/s with 3g i've had speeds of 333k/bs , other times my signal strengh drops right down to 1 bar and switches between hsdpa & 3g like every 2 minutes or so, i thought that once u've got a hsdpa enabled phone & the area where your using it with your network is hsdpa enabled u should be able to get 1.5meg (t-mobile uk max hsdpa speeds) or is there other things to consider, i have got hsdpa enabled on both the phone & my account (on w&w pro) & the mast for the network is right in front of my house & it is hsdpa enabled for my area so that should'nt make any differnce surly, hope somebody can explain how come my connection on both my phone & laptop is up & down more times then a tart's knickers instead of staying still. thx my spl for my phone is 2.10ipro & the phone is sim unlocked & supercid aswell
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Well 1.5mg is ambitious but 500 to 1000 is in reality more like it.
Less than 500 is not HSDPA. Have you enabled the HSDPA on the phone. It's off by default. Secondly there are cases reported where T-Mobile say it's enabled their end but isn't and it takes 2 or 3 calls to different folk before it really is.
Couple of links that may help:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=294939
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=285270
Mike
Hi mike yes hsdpa is enabled on the phone as i've checked in htc-tweak what came with the rom i'm using and it does show the H on the screen also it show's up t-mobile (hsdpa) and i have rang up t-mobile to have it enabled and they said they would send me a service txt out but never recived that, and i've rang up twice and they keep saying that hsdpa is enabled do i need to ring them back up to make 100% sure that i have got enabled ? thx on one last note hsdpa is enabled as i've just done a test with http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed again and clicked on the 600 file and got a massive speed increase from when i last tried it, it was around 200 kb/s this time a stonking 905kb/s the second time i tried i got 1000kb/s does the speed vary @ times of the day as the 905kb/s & 1000kb/s is the very first time i've seen them sort of speeds from the connection, usally between 400 - 600 kb/s
I don't know if it's the upgrade of the radio rom,operating system or what now as I,ve just done another test with dslreports.com/mspeed and got a bloody low speed of 20kb/s no wonder web pages were taking about a minute to appear on screen and it's dropped right back to 3g and 2 bars in signal. Have I messed something up in the phone? for hsdpa to be like this? or am I going about it all the wrong way
1, hsdpa is enabled on the phone (it show,s up next to the networks name t-mobile hsdpa)
I have sethsdpa.exe /enabled in config.txt in windows on the phone and yes I do have SetHSdpa.exe in windows
3) is the version of the radio rom I use the problem that is 1.41.00.300 downloaded from xda itself thx again as I,m thinking 3,ve bricked the phone somehow
Your experience sound pretty much like mine. I am also using my M3100 now on T-Mobile. I have been informed that ordinary 3G will only give you highest speeds of approx 250kbps - 320 kbps so anything you are getting above that is HSDPA.
Also using dlsreports your results will vary quite a lot as the size of sample 600k to 1meg really isn't enough to give you an accurate reading. You should get something like IPDashboard or another gprs monitor with a graph and download a file from a known fast server preferably with low pings. Monitor that speed and see what it averages out as you're downloading it if you want an accurate idea of exactly what you're getting.
HSDPA is also dependent on usage, it doesn't matter if the transmitter is in your garden, if there are a lot of people using it then this will affect your speed.
speed does matter on where you are located and the number of channels available to your device's hsdpa chip. i do encounter the varying speed at the same location depending on the time of day no matter which device i used
thx all for the replys, i seem to have fixed it for some reason speeds have synced quite nicly now and staying still at between 950 kb/s - 1000 kb/s, if you wanna know what i did, i went into start,settings,connections usb to pc and unticked the box for advanced networking for activesync, rebooted the hermes as i was trying to remove the orange splash screen and cant get mtty.exe working as it says cant connect to usb port or something like that, so i rebooted the phone and decied to come to xda's website to find a answer and omg the web site tock about 0.1 sec to load instead of having to wait about 5 secs for it to load, so gonna do some more testing of the connection without the box ticked to see if it has settled down, if it has i'm gonna be laughing me face off and it's nearly as fast as my home broadband connection then as that's only 1meg what does that usb to pc advanced activesync do anyroad and why would that make any differnce to speeds over a usb connection? thx again
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thx all for the replys, i seem to have fixed it for some reason speeds have synced quite nicly now and staying still at between 950 kb/s - 1000 kb/s, if you wanna know what i did, i went into start,settings,connections usb to pc and unticked the box for advanced networking for activesync, rebooted the hermes as i was trying to remove the orange splash screen and cant get mtty.exe working as it says cant connect to usb port or something like that, so i rebooted the phone and decied to come to xda's website to find a answer and omg the web site tock about 0.1 sec to load instead of having to wait about 5 secs for it to load, so gonna do some more testing of the connection without the box ticked to see if it has settled down, if it has i'm gonna be laughing me face off and it's nearly as fast as my home broadband connection then as that's only 1meg what does that usb to pc advanced activesync do anyroad and why would that make any differnce to speeds over a usb connection? thx again
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Oh I remember some info on here somewhere on the things you could do with Advanced USB to PC connection. However the general guidance here is do NOT check the advanced USB>PC connections box - basically this can screw up the active sync connection.
But, what possible connection this has to your HSDPA connection I don't know. Maybe it has nothing to do with it and it was just the re-setting that cleaned things out and improved the connection.
Anyway, your speeds now look pretty decent/good
Mike
Mike been using me laptop all day with my i dont know wht u can call it now spv m3100 or tytn over vpn back to the office so i can remote control the servers there and the connection has never gone down past 900kb/s always staying around 1meg, so it does look like the connection has stabled and i hope it stays like this , but i'm gonna lose it on wensday for a few days as i'm gonna be working in Norwich and cant get 3g or even a good signal for gprs where i'm going, nver mind at least starbucks has t-mobile hotspots which i have an account for, thx again, @ the moment a radio staion i'm listering to is buffering like hell over hsdpa, doesnt do it on the phone tho with resco radio :-( i know why that it is got vpn going, downloading email & chatting to the missues aswell as downloading some files from xda, no wonder it's slow lmao thx agian
I can confirm that unchecking the "Enable advanced networking" box *seems* to increase my speed, but I can't explain why. Ran 5 600k speed tests at dslreports.com with it checked, speed averaged 210kbit. Unchecked, rebooted, average went up to 621.
Hi folks, I absolutely love my X1, and am still learning how to use it.
This is the first contract I have had, which has an internet package included, so for the first time, I am experiencing internet on my phone.
I am confused however, as I am sure I read somewhere that the X1 was capable of connection speeds of 7mb/s, whereas I am getting a performance more akin to 56kb/s dialup. Webpages often take 10-20 seconds to load.
I realise that the speed is probably dictated by the network (Vodafone UK in my case), but this is ridiculously slow. Is this normal, or can I tweak my settings in anyway to get something closer to a broadband experience on my phone?
Thanks
Gopes
are you using the pc or the xperia to load the websites? 10-20 sec are quite normal for a full webpage like cnet.de on the xperia. and the theorethical connection speed is 7.2 mbit/s not 7Mb/s!
Heh,
you'll never load a page on 2 seconds, if that's what you ask
"Loading speed" is not equal to "Download speed"
Yes HSDPA can go up to 7,200 kbps or even 14,400 kbps "download speeds"
But many factors have influence on "loading speed": your settings and software (browser, cache, processor speed, plugins...), phone (EDGE, 3g, HSDPA...) AND your provider/carrier's bandwith
If you want to test your REAL "download speed" there are some "download speed meter" web pages around
7,200 kbps is very thoerical. Your operator has the full cake and will never reveeal the real size of the cake (1000 kbps ??)
If every user in your area starts phone-browsing at the same time then your operator's cake will be sliced, thus giving a piece of the cake to everyone
Thanks for the responses. Seems like my phone's internet access speed is normal then
Oh well, I have a 1mbit connection on my pc - but my phone is no way near as quick to open pages as my pc. Maybe the next generation of phones will have a better internet capability.
Thanks
Bcfaigg
bcfaigg said:
Thanks for the responses. Seems like my phone's internet access speed is normal then
Oh well, I have a 1mbit connection on my pc - but my phone is no way near as quick to open pages as my pc. Maybe the next generation of phones will have a better internet capability.
Thanks
Bcfaigg
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Exactly.
However, try also OperaMini, which with a fast connection is really quick.
As for OperaMobile 9.5, remember that your device with 528mHz processor and 120MB of free RAM has to load a page
which is normally operated by the computer which is few times stronger.
I've got a 1.8mbit site 300 metres up the road from me and surfing the web on HSDPA is super fast
Just waiting for Vodafone to upgrade it to a 7.2 (which most likely won't happen for many years).
urrghhh i know about vodafone speeds. Its nothing short of terrible on the X1 and not just cos of voda, its cos the radio is rubbish. I cant upgrade to diamond radio (device locked...) and so I can't ever get more than 2 bars on "H".
Can someone tell me if 3-4 bars with 3G icon is better/worse than 1-2 bars with the H icon?? I'm suspecting the former is faster.
In which case, can I set the phone to connect via 3G all the time and then ignore H connections??
domyue said:
...Can someone tell me if 3-4 bars with 3G icon is better/worse than 1-2 bars with the H icon?? I'm suspecting the former is faster??
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EDGE < 3G < HSDPA (HSDPA is also called "3.5G" by someines)
EDGE MAX: 128 kbps
UMTS 3G MAX: 512 kbps
HSDPA MAX: 14,400 kbps
I managed to download a .net3.5 cab file (2.5mb) in under 5 seconds on my X1 over UK Vodafone HSDPA today
Hello, my first post here.
I've had Xperia for a few months now. But something is really bothering me.
When on HSDPA, I can never get more than 400kps speed on Xperia.
Either it's connected to PC, or stand alone.
Is this a problem with Xperia or is it just me?
My friend sat next to me and got 1700kps speed on the same net.
Could you tell me the speeds you get?
And if there is a fix for it?
Thanks to everyone who reads this, and sorry to bother.
does it display the H in the upper bar ?
I get about 400 kb too i dont know why it dont really bother me. Maybe it's a network issue, im on att NYC on the 15 dollar plan
Of course it is H in the bar
I'm not a noob if that's what you're wondering.
I have 2-3 bars on H, but still. When I had HTC Diamond, it was faster on the same net. I've checked with the company and there no problem there.
That's why I came to you guys for help.
That's weird. I got about 800Kbps at work and about 1.3 Mbps at home. Is this the first time you noticed getting no more than 400 kbps?
same speed since i got it
thought at first that it was my location that was the problem but thats not the case.
in the biggest cities i still only get about 400kps.
can there be anything that needs to be changed in the phone?
i tried with my girlsfriends simcard, but still noe difference.
it is very annoying, since i need acceptable speed when i use it with my work computer.
dont want to send my phone to shop either, the service time is usually a whole month.
hard to live without my xperia now.
when connected to wifi, the speed is very good at almost 3000kps. so there is something really wrong with only the radio or whatnot.
i was hoping that maybe there was a tweak or something.
It probably has something to do with your network data connection.
Go to Start->Setting->Personal tab choose Phone->Band tab. Check your GSM/UMTS band. Mine set to Auto but my X1i does not support 850Mhz band so I get to use their 1900Mhz band instead.
do you and your friend have an x1i or x1a?
I'm in norway
So here we only get X1i. And that it what I got. It works great besides the slooow network. Tried to change all the settigns inn network and connections. But still no difference.
Which site did you use to do the speed test? (i cant find any that would work on that stupid "i dont want to support flash".........
Yuu can increase the download by some settings like TCP recieve window (thats on the normal PC side maybe you have to change it here to?)
EDIT:
Have done some reasearch and found that the optimal setting for a 7,2Mbps connection (max HSDPA for xperia) would be ~130.000 the max you can set in advanced is ~96.000 and the default of ~65.000
I did this on my windows 2000 server machine(vista and forward has this on autochange) and download speeds increaased from around 700 to about 950 KB/s on an 8Mbit downlink!
Maybe a registery fix to get this higher?